Comments on: 2014 Lessons (#1)

By: Ovid

Ovid — Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:03:04 +0000

>Actually the USG is really only the enemy of the American People
Syria begs to differ. The USG is a global enemy regardless of whether it has the consent or support of the American people. It is a homogenising, colonising and anti-traditional force in the world; this shouldn’t be news. Though it may not be your fault WWI and WWII ripped the guts out of Europe, you still had no right to fuel both conflicts and twist them to your advantage. The Yalta and Tehran conferences, as well as Wilsonian Doctrines, if you didn’t see what I meant there. Once again I’ll point out, to the detriment of decidedly anti-progressive forces. To hang on to the ol’ red, white and blue and sing the praises of the USA as an “idea” is little more than 1980’s tier conservatism. I don’t want to put words in your mouth here, but between you and nydwracu I’m under the impression many in NRx haven’t got over their conservative hang ups entirely.

Locality=/=USA

But by all means to arms for Dixie.

By: Ovid

Ovid — Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:52:03 +0000

What I was getting at was that a total top down destruction of the (at least the north east) USA like Germany in 1945 is one of many possible scenarios, in which Eurasianism restores the balance of power. Not preferable, but these fellows aren’t going to give up without a fight. The “de-Nazification” process and subsequent occupation of Germany (ongoing) should be a model for a Eurasian occupation to de-progressify the USA. Pretty hard seeing as progressivism has always been a core component of America, then again militarism was a core component of Prussia. Try finding a resident of northern Germany who wants to have anything to do with Konnigratzer marches by torchlight today.In a nutshell a military occupation could be a quicker and more decisive end to progressivism than some long drawn out cultural cold war. The north east United States is the origin of the progressive cancer, it has to be excised at all and any cost. Which brings me to

>The primary allegiance of anyone who has any claim to being on the ‘right’ must be to their locality, and the primary goal must be for that locality to win. If you’d sell out your own parents to the Russkies for your ideals, how are you any better than Alger Hiss?

The survival of my locality, or more broadly speaking Thede, is dependent upon the destruction of progressivism. A Eurasian victory is not by extension an automatic victory for my locality but long term it at the very least cannot be worse. In regards to me being an Alger Hiss style traitor, I can only say that in selling out my locality 2014, is not as unforgivable as selling out in 1914 would have been. My hope is that in doing so I would have helped to make my locality 2114 a place worth being loyal to.

By: vxxc2014

vxxc2014 — Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:58:46 +0000

Like messing around with tactics to avoid the thorny questions of the day?

I do think we should leave Europe, we should have left 20 years ago. Never mind Ukraine.
That’s banksters run wild but they can’t deliver.

But neither can Dugin.

I don’t really think Europe’s nationalist parties give a fuck about Ukraine, they care that they’re losing their countries, and I daresay no one in the US is talking about these things either besides the chattering class.

The Deep State you refer to isn’t really a Deep State. Moldbug already told you who it is, and he’s right [independent confirmation]. The Intelligence agencies don’t have the power to ACT against America nor the will, nor the means. Nor could it suit their ends. So this is a fantasy.

Unfortunately as the reality is the answer is coming from the people or none, and we so hate the democracy and it’s freedumbs [that we enjoy, if Chinese we’d be in prison] so we must ignore reality for the irrelevant and the fantastical.

Meanwhile back in reality: Blue is Turning.

Blue is Turning. God is still smiling at us.

“A silent protest by the NYPD outside the church is the start of America’s response to this dysfunctional leadership in this country. “- Second city Cop commenter.

Got dysfunctional government? Reach out man to man to your cops. WE DID. For some years now, and it’s WORKING. It helps to have an incompetent Tyrant who cuts off his own legs as he’s just putting on his Iron Boots.

God Bless New York’s Finest. Every Cop and citizen in the Country saw them turn their backs. I must say I didn’t expect this, it’s the best Christmas present to us since 1989.

The real 1989 has already begun. It may not be as bloodless, but it has begun. Blue is Turning.

By: vxxc2014

vxxc2014 — Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:45:12 +0000

@Ovid,

I hope you’re not in America.

I won’t bother asking if you’re American.

And when you have enlisted and fought anywhere do tell.

Actually the USG is really only the enemy of the American People, the rest of you just have weak governments if DC is pushing you around at this point, or really any point since 1945. It’s not our fault Europe shot it’s own balls off, regardless of how we picked up the pieces.

By: scientism

scientism — Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:04:24 +0000

The key concept appears to be “spiritual security”:

http://www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/spiritual-security-in-putins-russia

Engaging in cultural subversion appears to lead to asking the same type of deep questions about what makes a culture strong that typify NRx. When learning offence you learn a lot about defence.

By: Lesser Bull

Lesser Bull — Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:30:07 +0000

Thanks (and also, duh). Assuming ‘locality’ is defined to include family.

By: Lesser Bull

Lesser Bull — Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:29:23 +0000

@Taylor,
any links to the scenario? I’m interested.

By: nydwracu

nydwracu — Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:55:50 +0000

I don’t think it makes sense to ascribe any particular agenda to the deep state: they’re not supposed to be concerned with ideology except insofar as ideology is useful to the interests of the deep state and its country. If there is one, it’s more likely to come from selection effects (the modern art-inventing CIA being more prestigious and therefore more liberal than the almost-reactionary FBI) than conscious choice.

The problem with deep state rule is that it has no reason to care about the population, no reason not to jackboot or replace them. There’s just nowhere in the feedback mechanism for that, other than the threat of rebellion — which makes it no better than a traditional monarchy.

And arguably close in mechanism-space to it.

By: nydwracu

nydwracu — Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:50:25 +0000

A final Atlanticist v Continental showdown would be climatic but not necessary I agree. That being said a decisive military defeat being inflicted on international progressivism could prove as decisive as that inflicted upon National Socialism in ’45.

Wait, what?

A decisive military defeat to international progressivism implies a decisive military defeat to either the United States or Western Europe. If the States, Russkies rape and murder your parents. If Western Europe, the States decline unless they can pivot hard, and the fate of a collapsing country looks like the fate of Britain, where Pakis rape your children and murder your parents.

The primary allegiance of anyone who has any claim to being on the ‘right’ must be to their locality, and the primary goal must be for that locality to win. If you’d sell out your own parents to the Russkies for your ideals, how are you any better than Alger Hiss?

By: Peter A. Taylor

Peter A. Taylor — Sun, 28 Dec 2014 04:51:39 +0000

@Aeroguy: Don’t be too sure about USG doom. Vladimir’s “Brezhnev” scenario is still looking plausible.

Being screwed up is a competitive sport, and the competition out there is pretty stiff.