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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/abstract-horror-part-1/#comment-10813</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I knew this horror expedition would begin to turn up some exquisite material. (I&#039;m stealing your last two sentences as the epigraph for a project that need to remain confidential for the time being -- hoping that a &quot;&#039;Bill&#039; at &lt;em&gt;Outside in&lt;/em&gt;&quot; attribution will suffice.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew this horror expedition would begin to turn up some exquisite material. (I&#8217;m stealing your last two sentences as the epigraph for a project that need to remain confidential for the time being &#8212; hoping that a &#8220;&#8216;Bill&#8217; at <em>Outside in</em>&#8221; attribution will suffice.)</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/abstract-horror-part-1/#comment-10812</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ David
Superb, and theoretically capped by &#039;The Shadow Out of Time&#039; observation. 
Isn&#039;t it a sign of inadequate human defense mechanisms that we emerge out on the other side of Uncanny Valley, to embrace the Cylon?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David<br />
Superb, and theoretically capped by &#8216;The Shadow Out of Time&#8217; observation.<br />
Isn&#8217;t it a sign of inadequate human defense mechanisms that we emerge out on the other side of Uncanny Valley, to embrace the Cylon?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/abstract-horror-part-1/#comment-10806</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if human beings which do not share a moral worldview, for instance, a professor who makes it up from poverty through the Army and graduate school by pure grit and now tries to maintain a decent life, and section 8 people who do nothing but sit on their front steps, approaches some relationship to the uncanny.  I used that example because it is close to home, close to my home.  It&#039;s hard to understand those section 8 people, I talk to them once in a while, they have inexpressive faces and the dead eyes of sharks.  They do not do anything the way I would, and they are destroying my street.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if human beings which do not share a moral worldview, for instance, a professor who makes it up from poverty through the Army and graduate school by pure grit and now tries to maintain a decent life, and section 8 people who do nothing but sit on their front steps, approaches some relationship to the uncanny.  I used that example because it is close to home, close to my home.  It&#8217;s hard to understand those section 8 people, I talk to them once in a while, they have inexpressive faces and the dead eyes of sharks.  They do not do anything the way I would, and they are destroying my street.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/abstract-horror-part-1/#comment-10785</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 01:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The uncanny--not only in Freud&#039;s sense, but also in the &quot;uncanny valley&quot; sense posited by roboticist Masahiro Mori--seems to animate (and reanimate) another vector of horror (or, perhaps, some arm of the sublime), in which it is the almost-perfect-but-not-quite simulacra of human life rather than that which is radically other and monstrous in an immediate sense (the arachnid, the blob-slime-fungusoid, the teeming hive, etc.) which dissolves the familiar and threatens the abyssal. In a techno-futurist sense, the android and cyborg wait in the wings, sparking outbreaks of PKD paranoia among us (Ubik is in production as a film now, I believe, and of course Bladerunner stands as the classic). It&#039;s also resonant in a political sense that seems highly relevant here: the fear of assimilation into a hive-minded individual/individuality-obliterating collective--of being abstracted, made abstract?--(Body Snatchers) that registers as cold horror, perhaps all the more horrific for the fact that &lt;i&gt;whatever they are they look just like us&lt;/i&gt; (the recent Battlestar Galactica series is another of so many instances of this). Is there a political-spectral dimension to map here, perhaps, in which the radically &quot;other&quot; alien horror resonates with one range of political anxieties more than the &quot;they look just like us&quot;/uncanny valley horror? Direct invasion vs subtle infiltration--which is more terrifying, and for whom? Which is a more effective route to the abyssal? (And how might such intimations of horror, the other, the abyss be mobilized ideologically, whether directly or indirectly--say, via Hollywood).  

Lovecraft hits both sweet spots in &quot;The Shadow Out of Time,&quot; of course (I reread thanks to your pointer a few months ago, btw... thanks!), and in many horror or horror-tinged works the assumption is often that some insectoid--or worse--being or beings are taking human form and walking among us. Zombies also hit both, albeit crudely (when horror misses the mark it&#039;s mere comedy) as their similarity to living humans remains and falls away simultaneously--a key, perhaps, to their cultural omnipresence these days. And in rough tangential relation to the recent atheism post, the &quot;soul&quot; seems to be the litmus (or perhaps Turing) test--no soul or loss/devouring/destruction/assimilation of individual soul=horror (perhaps, too, why mystical sects and cults that emphasize the collective/obliterate the individual can seem so Pol Potty-horrifying, transferring millennial religious coding to the political... [heaven is a hell on earth])?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The uncanny&#8211;not only in Freud&#8217;s sense, but also in the &#8220;uncanny valley&#8221; sense posited by roboticist Masahiro Mori&#8211;seems to animate (and reanimate) another vector of horror (or, perhaps, some arm of the sublime), in which it is the almost-perfect-but-not-quite simulacra of human life rather than that which is radically other and monstrous in an immediate sense (the arachnid, the blob-slime-fungusoid, the teeming hive, etc.) which dissolves the familiar and threatens the abyssal. In a techno-futurist sense, the android and cyborg wait in the wings, sparking outbreaks of PKD paranoia among us (Ubik is in production as a film now, I believe, and of course Bladerunner stands as the classic). It&#8217;s also resonant in a political sense that seems highly relevant here: the fear of assimilation into a hive-minded individual/individuality-obliterating collective&#8211;of being abstracted, made abstract?&#8211;(Body Snatchers) that registers as cold horror, perhaps all the more horrific for the fact that <i>whatever they are they look just like us</i> (the recent Battlestar Galactica series is another of so many instances of this). Is there a political-spectral dimension to map here, perhaps, in which the radically &#8220;other&#8221; alien horror resonates with one range of political anxieties more than the &#8220;they look just like us&#8221;/uncanny valley horror? Direct invasion vs subtle infiltration&#8211;which is more terrifying, and for whom? Which is a more effective route to the abyssal? (And how might such intimations of horror, the other, the abyss be mobilized ideologically, whether directly or indirectly&#8211;say, via Hollywood).  </p>
<p>Lovecraft hits both sweet spots in &#8220;The Shadow Out of Time,&#8221; of course (I reread thanks to your pointer a few months ago, btw&#8230; thanks!), and in many horror or horror-tinged works the assumption is often that some insectoid&#8211;or worse&#8211;being or beings are taking human form and walking among us. Zombies also hit both, albeit crudely (when horror misses the mark it&#8217;s mere comedy) as their similarity to living humans remains and falls away simultaneously&#8211;a key, perhaps, to their cultural omnipresence these days. And in rough tangential relation to the recent atheism post, the &#8220;soul&#8221; seems to be the litmus (or perhaps Turing) test&#8211;no soul or loss/devouring/destruction/assimilation of individual soul=horror (perhaps, too, why mystical sects and cults that emphasize the collective/obliterate the individual can seem so Pol Potty-horrifying, transferring millennial religious coding to the political&#8230; [heaven is a hell on earth])?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It wasn&#039;t horror, but abstraction in music that I was vaguely indicating -- best example: Cage. But what the hell ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t horror, but abstraction in music that I was vaguely indicating &#8212; best example: Cage. But what the hell &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Hannon</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/abstract-horror-part-1/#comment-10752</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 22:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... or even in music&quot;

While horror is a well established genre in literature and cinema, the only example of effective &quot;horror music&quot; that comes to mind right now is the track &quot;Under the House&quot; by Public Image Limited. In a radio interview, Lydon mentioned that the track was inspired by the old Manor Studios where the &quot;Flowers of Romance&quot; album was recorded. &quot;I thinks it&#039;s haunted,&quot; he announced emphatically, and when listened to alone in the dark the track can indeed evoke a chilling sense of the ontological &quot;wrongness&quot; of the undefined, unspeakable &quot;it&quot; that &quot;went under the house.&quot;
A bit like the chills one gets from a solitary reading of William Hope Hodgson&#039;s &quot;The House on the Borderland&quot; (a seminal influence on Lovecraft apparently).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d9BQSTu7N4]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; or even in music&#8221;</p>
<p>While horror is a well established genre in literature and cinema, the only example of effective &#8220;horror music&#8221; that comes to mind right now is the track &#8220;Under the House&#8221; by Public Image Limited. In a radio interview, Lydon mentioned that the track was inspired by the old Manor Studios where the &#8220;Flowers of Romance&#8221; album was recorded. &#8220;I thinks it&#8217;s haunted,&#8221; he announced emphatically, and when listened to alone in the dark the track can indeed evoke a chilling sense of the ontological &#8220;wrongness&#8221; of the undefined, unspeakable &#8220;it&#8221; that &#8220;went under the house.&#8221;<br />
A bit like the chills one gets from a solitary reading of William Hope Hodgson&#8217;s &#8220;The House on the Borderland&#8221; (a seminal influence on Lovecraft apparently).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/abstract-horror-part-1/#comment-10746</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@admin  I&#039;ll send you a paper I wrote about Giotto&#039;s Fresco the Massacre of the Innocents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@admin  I&#8217;ll send you a paper I wrote about Giotto&#8217;s Fresco the Massacre of the Innocents.</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/abstract-horror-part-1/#comment-10735</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I hinted, I&#039;m feeling a bit too compromised to be able to answer that just now. Some things just aren&#039;t cricket, no? But I&#039;m sure that&#039;ll pass. Maybe an evening revisiting Coppola&#039;s finest and some Brando-style mumbling may help...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I hinted, I&#8217;m feeling a bit too compromised to be able to answer that just now. Some things just aren&#8217;t cricket, no? But I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;ll pass. Maybe an evening revisiting Coppola&#8217;s finest and some Brando-style mumbling may help&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/abstract-horror-part-1/#comment-10731</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The imagery in the essay was of an Italian church filled with wax effigies of the dead, lit by candlelight.  The effigies look basically real, too real for art.  If I remember right, the effigies were sort of stacked against the wall, maybe nailed against the wall, from the floor to the ceiling.  It was a long time ago, and there are no photos, so the description is based on written sources.  Being in a room like that could definitely be creepy.  The wax reminded me of the melting metal of the T-1000.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The imagery in the essay was of an Italian church filled with wax effigies of the dead, lit by candlelight.  The effigies look basically real, too real for art.  If I remember right, the effigies were sort of stacked against the wall, maybe nailed against the wall, from the floor to the ceiling.  It was a long time ago, and there are no photos, so the description is based on written sources.  Being in a room like that could definitely be creepy.  The wax reminded me of the melting metal of the T-1000.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/abstract-horror-part-1/#comment-10725</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My sense of it is that both the skull, and the schwa face (&#039;gray&#039;), are icons rather than portraits. The notion of a mask is intermediate, and might include either of these &#039;death-faces&#039;, but only by taking on a symbolic character (quite different from camouflage or functional mimicry).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sense of it is that both the skull, and the schwa face (&#8216;gray&#8217;), are icons rather than portraits. The notion of a mask is intermediate, and might include either of these &#8216;death-faces&#8217;, but only by taking on a symbolic character (quite different from camouflage or functional mimicry).</p>
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