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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-11065</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 00:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;These little people of the earth rise up and rejoice in these times of ours. For they are glad, as the Welshman said, when they know that men follow their ways.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These little people of the earth rise up and rejoice in these times of ours. For they are glad, as the Welshman said, when they know that men follow their ways.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-11060</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 23:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still holding out for abysmal cybergothic time-splicing around the back ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still holding out for abysmal cybergothic time-splicing around the back &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-11057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, but it seems a most agonistic dialectic, like Rebecca&#039;s children jostling in her womb.  One must finally describe the other in its own terms.

It might seem that history has favoured the red corner and the Great Beast has the Welsh Wizard on the ropes.  (Stoker registered a tipping-point in his introductory note to &lt;i&gt;Dracula&lt;/i&gt;:  &quot;... a history almost at variance with the possibilities of latter-day belief ...&quot;)  That leaves the blue corner, for good or evil,  with the subterranean power of repressed forces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, but it seems a most agonistic dialectic, like Rebecca&#8217;s children jostling in her womb.  One must finally describe the other in its own terms.</p>
<p>It might seem that history has favoured the red corner and the Great Beast has the Welsh Wizard on the ropes.  (Stoker registered a tipping-point in his introductory note to <i>Dracula</i>:  &#8220;&#8230; a history almost at variance with the possibilities of latter-day belief &#8230;&#8221;)  That leaves the blue corner, for good or evil,  with the subterranean power of repressed forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-10372</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The greys certainly gave &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1883729017&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good value&lt;/A&gt; while they were with us.

Maybe  &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://mysteriousuniverse.org/tag/black-eyed-kids/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BEKs&lt;/A&gt; will be the next little thing?  (Given the catalytic book, film or TV show.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greys certainly gave <a HREF="http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1883729017" rel="nofollow">good value</a> while they were with us.</p>
<p>Maybe  <a HREF="http://mysteriousuniverse.org/tag/black-eyed-kids/" rel="nofollow">BEKs</a> will be the next little thing?  (Given the catalytic book, film or TV show.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Hannon</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-10290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Mantis Entity seems to be in the ascendancy right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mantis Entity seems to be in the ascendancy right now.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-10263</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These &#039;cornerings&#039; are very helpful, but there is also the diagonal, along which the most dynamic developments seem to take place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These &#8216;cornerings&#8217; are very helpful, but there is also the diagonal, along which the most dynamic developments seem to take place.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-10262</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There seems no doubt that the &#039;Schwa&#039; complex of Western folk occult imaging has now passed, almost as definitively as the &#039;little people&#039; before. Are there any leading candidates for what is replacing it (as something surely has to)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems no doubt that the &#8216;Schwa&#8217; complex of Western folk occult imaging has now passed, almost as definitively as the &#8216;little people&#8217; before. Are there any leading candidates for what is replacing it (as something surely has to)?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-10236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.excludedmiddle.com/LAMstatement.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Éminence grise&lt;/A&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.excludedmiddle.com/LAMstatement.html" rel="nofollow"> Éminence grise</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-10235</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HPL&#039;s money quote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;For those who relish speculation regarding the future, the tale of supernatural horror provides an interesting field. Combated by a mounting wave of plodding realism, cynical flippancy, and sophisticated disillusionment, it is yet encouraged by a parallel tide of growing mysticism, as developed both through the fatigued reaction of “occultists” and religious fundamentalists against materialistic discovery and through the stimulation of wonder and fancy by such enlarged vistas and broken barriers as modern science has given us with its intra-atomic chemistry, advancing astrophysics, doctrines of relativity, and probings into biology and human thought.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which nails the bifurcation in horror (fiction) between supernaturalism and naturalism, religion and irreligion, Counter-Enlightenment and &#039;Dark Enlightenment&#039;.  Horror as romantic reaction to Aufklarung, a yearning for miracle, mystery and &#039;Gothic&#039; Verdunkelung, the certain possibility of spiritual death and damnation -- versus the horror of obscene matter, the uncertainty of bodily defeat and dissolution.

In the blue corner, Machen:

&lt;i&gt;Our stupid ancestors taught us that we could become wise by studying books on &#039;science,&#039; by meddling with test-tubes, geological specimens, microscopic preparations, and the like; but they who have cast off these follies know that they must read not &#039;science&#039; books, but mass-books, and that the soul is made wise by the contemplation of mystic ceremonies and elaborate and curious rites.&lt;/i&gt;

In the red corner, Crowley:

&lt;i&gt;I resolved that my Ritual should celebrate the sublimity of the operation of universal forces without introducing disputable metaphysical theories. I would neither make nor imply any statement about nature which would not be endorsed by the most materialistic man of science. On the surface this may sound difficult; but in practice I found it perfectly simple to combine the most rigidly rational conceptions of phenomena with the most exalted and enthusiastic celebration of their sublimity.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HPL&#8217;s money quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>For those who relish speculation regarding the future, the tale of supernatural horror provides an interesting field. Combated by a mounting wave of plodding realism, cynical flippancy, and sophisticated disillusionment, it is yet encouraged by a parallel tide of growing mysticism, as developed both through the fatigued reaction of “occultists” and religious fundamentalists against materialistic discovery and through the stimulation of wonder and fancy by such enlarged vistas and broken barriers as modern science has given us with its intra-atomic chemistry, advancing astrophysics, doctrines of relativity, and probings into biology and human thought.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which nails the bifurcation in horror (fiction) between supernaturalism and naturalism, religion and irreligion, Counter-Enlightenment and &#8216;Dark Enlightenment&#8217;.  Horror as romantic reaction to Aufklarung, a yearning for miracle, mystery and &#8216;Gothic&#8217; Verdunkelung, the certain possibility of spiritual death and damnation &#8212; versus the horror of obscene matter, the uncertainty of bodily defeat and dissolution.</p>
<p>In the blue corner, Machen:</p>
<p><i>Our stupid ancestors taught us that we could become wise by studying books on &#8216;science,&#8217; by meddling with test-tubes, geological specimens, microscopic preparations, and the like; but they who have cast off these follies know that they must read not &#8216;science&#8217; books, but mass-books, and that the soul is made wise by the contemplation of mystic ceremonies and elaborate and curious rites.</i></p>
<p>In the red corner, Crowley:</p>
<p><i>I resolved that my Ritual should celebrate the sublimity of the operation of universal forces without introducing disputable metaphysical theories. I would neither make nor imply any statement about nature which would not be endorsed by the most materialistic man of science. On the surface this may sound difficult; but in practice I found it perfectly simple to combine the most rigidly rational conceptions of phenomena with the most exalted and enthusiastic celebration of their sublimity.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Neener</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/antechamber-to-horror-ii/#comment-10185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neener]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Lovecraft&#039;s words about &quot;awed listening&quot; and a &quot;profound sense of dread&quot; makes me wonder if there is a deep evolutionary reason for this connection. There is a book called &lt;i&gt;Man the Hunted: Primates, Predators, and Human Evolution&lt;/i&gt; by Hart and Sussman that goes into this. They argue that for the majority of our evolutionary history we weren&#039;t apex predators, but were in fact, the prey. For most of our deep past we were hunted in the dead of night by fanged beasts. Being cornered in a cave with your family by a pack of lions would certainly bring about that profound sense of dread.

As a speculative sidenote and thinking out loud here, if there were in fact some sort of phenomenon associated with all the religious traditions on the planet, then that phenomenon seems to play right into our psychology in two ways. Firstly, by manifesting itself in ways that create awed or horrified states of mind that play on our deep evolutionary history, e.g. talking bushes on fire, or the apocalyptic imagery associated with Revelations, or the &quot;First Vision&quot; of Joseph Smith (Smith had his vision in the forest alone, with feelings that something was stalking him):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vision#Story_of_the_vision

Secondly, by having a raw feed into our minds it makes sense that it is hard to capture that raw feed into actual words or imagery, e.g. the many contradictions or physical impossibilities in religious texts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Lovecraft&#8217;s words about &#8220;awed listening&#8221; and a &#8220;profound sense of dread&#8221; makes me wonder if there is a deep evolutionary reason for this connection. There is a book called <i>Man the Hunted: Primates, Predators, and Human Evolution</i> by Hart and Sussman that goes into this. They argue that for the majority of our evolutionary history we weren&#8217;t apex predators, but were in fact, the prey. For most of our deep past we were hunted in the dead of night by fanged beasts. Being cornered in a cave with your family by a pack of lions would certainly bring about that profound sense of dread.</p>
<p>As a speculative sidenote and thinking out loud here, if there were in fact some sort of phenomenon associated with all the religious traditions on the planet, then that phenomenon seems to play right into our psychology in two ways. Firstly, by manifesting itself in ways that create awed or horrified states of mind that play on our deep evolutionary history, e.g. talking bushes on fire, or the apocalyptic imagery associated with Revelations, or the &#8220;First Vision&#8221; of Joseph Smith (Smith had his vision in the forest alone, with feelings that something was stalking him):</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vision#Story_of_the_vision" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vision#Story_of_the_vision</a></p>
<p>Secondly, by having a raw feed into our minds it makes sense that it is hard to capture that raw feed into actual words or imagery, e.g. the many contradictions or physical impossibilities in religious texts.</p>
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