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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/assassination-markets/#comment-28828</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d say who gets burned in the Cathedral Singularity (once Leftism reaches critical Mass) will ultimately depend on who is smarter: the heretics or the Cathedral&#039;s representatives in academia and government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say who gets burned in the Cathedral Singularity (once Leftism reaches critical Mass) will ultimately depend on who is smarter: the heretics or the Cathedral&#8217;s representatives in academia and government.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/assassination-markets/#comment-28826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The enemy is self-immolating&quot;

This is what I mean by over-optimistic insanity. They are getting stronger, and the only &quot;immolating&quot; will be the burning of us heretics.

&quot;Were the GOP to die today, secessionary disintegration of the USA would be a certainty.&quot;

An impossibility can never be a certainty, and &quot;secessionary disintegration of the USA&quot; is most definitely impossible (at least, impossible until after the irreversible destruction of industrial civilization).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The enemy is self-immolating&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what I mean by over-optimistic insanity. They are getting stronger, and the only &#8220;immolating&#8221; will be the burning of us heretics.</p>
<p>&#8220;Were the GOP to die today, secessionary disintegration of the USA would be a certainty.&#8221;</p>
<p>An impossibility can never be a certainty, and &#8220;secessionary disintegration of the USA&#8221; is most definitely impossible (at least, impossible until after the irreversible destruction of industrial civilization).</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... beyond hopelessly optimistic&quot; -- yes, I&#039;ve been falling prey to that recently. The enemy is self-immolating so rapidly and comprehensively, it looks as if the only danger is some kind of conservative salvage operation. Were the GOP to die today, secessionary disintegration of the USA would be a certainty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; beyond hopelessly optimistic&#8221; &#8212; yes, I&#8217;ve been falling prey to that recently. The enemy is self-immolating so rapidly and comprehensively, it looks as if the only danger is some kind of conservative salvage operation. Were the GOP to die today, secessionary disintegration of the USA would be a certainty.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/assassination-markets/#comment-28774</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hell, make him President for Life and total neoreactionary triumph is assured.&quot;

How, exactly, does this follow? I mean, this seems beyond hopelessly optimistic, and into the realm of outright insane. How would this do anything but accelerate the rate at which the Cathedral exterminates us heretics?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hell, make him President for Life and total neoreactionary triumph is assured.&#8221;</p>
<p>How, exactly, does this follow? I mean, this seems beyond hopelessly optimistic, and into the realm of outright insane. How would this do anything but accelerate the rate at which the Cathedral exterminates us heretics?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/assassination-markets/#comment-28748</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the Right was sensible, it would be supporting a constitutional amendment to allow Obama to run for a third term. Hell, make him President for Life and total neoreactionary triumph is assured.

As far as Narodnaya Volya is concerned, won&#039;t the &quot;no enemies to the Left&quot; strategy help there? Weathermen and Black Panthers have already been inducted into the Brahmin elite, so I&#039;m not sure where the angry leftist outsiders are expected to come from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Right was sensible, it would be supporting a constitutional amendment to allow Obama to run for a third term. Hell, make him President for Life and total neoreactionary triumph is assured.</p>
<p>As far as Narodnaya Volya is concerned, won&#8217;t the &#8220;no enemies to the Left&#8221; strategy help there? Weathermen and Black Panthers have already been inducted into the Brahmin elite, so I&#8217;m not sure where the angry leftist outsiders are expected to come from.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get it, really. The original article deserves to be a classic (and it explains all this stuff very well). But do you really think something that makes &quot;being a political figure much less appealing&quot; is really helping? That strikes me as romantically implausible. (Politicians are already shameless sociopaths -- do we really want to shrink the pool to reckless shameless sociopaths?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get it, really. The original article deserves to be a classic (and it explains all this stuff very well). But do you really think something that makes &#8220;being a political figure much less appealing&#8221; is really helping? That strikes me as romantically implausible. (Politicians are already shameless sociopaths &#8212; do we really want to shrink the pool to reckless shameless sociopaths?)</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/assassination-markets/#comment-28741</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we&#039;re reduced to actively wishing for the health and wellbeing of Mr. Obama (no assassination attempts), the USG had better get more tyrannical, not less, if the experience of the Narodnaya Volya is anything to go by.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re reduced to actively wishing for the health and wellbeing of Mr. Obama (no assassination attempts), the USG had better get more tyrannical, not less, if the experience of the Narodnaya Volya is anything to go by.</p>
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		<title>By: Valens</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/assassination-markets/#comment-28740</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you misunderstand this and its implications. 

The point is to use monetary incentives to kill people, so the people who actually do the killing aren&#039;t political assassins. The assassins would be impartial and could be totally apolitical. They&#039;d just be getting an honest day&#039;s pay for an honest day&#039;s work. People like money, but they don&#039;t like risking their lives to kill someone or getting caught. A political figure might have the best security detail, bodyguards, etc. and thus protect himself from outsiders getting to him, but the assassination market would mean that insiders who are closest to him and are in the best position to bump him off would have secure incentives to do so. His own security, associates, partners, lovers, friends, family, etc. could now be monetarily incentivized much more easily and securely. This would make being a political figure much less appealing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you misunderstand this and its implications. </p>
<p>The point is to use monetary incentives to kill people, so the people who actually do the killing aren&#8217;t political assassins. The assassins would be impartial and could be totally apolitical. They&#8217;d just be getting an honest day&#8217;s pay for an honest day&#8217;s work. People like money, but they don&#8217;t like risking their lives to kill someone or getting caught. A political figure might have the best security detail, bodyguards, etc. and thus protect himself from outsiders getting to him, but the assassination market would mean that insiders who are closest to him and are in the best position to bump him off would have secure incentives to do so. His own security, associates, partners, lovers, friends, family, etc. could now be monetarily incentivized much more easily and securely. This would make being a political figure much less appealing.</p>
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		<title>By: nydwracu</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calling for heads is counterproductive without the governmental power to back it up, but if heads must be called for, they can&#039;t be the heads of politicians. The whole point of democracy is that politicians are gears in a machine: take out one gear and another will fit in the same place. Maybe it would&#039;ve had an effect if Reagan had gotten shot, but I doubt it.

Greece is instructive here. A Golden Dawn member whacked an anti-fascist rapper, so the Greek government cracked down on Golden Dawn. Then two Golden Dawn members got whacked and the Greek government didn&#039;t care.

America is much more machinic than Russia. (This is a problem for its future: is there anyone who can replace Putin? Does he have a dynastic transition set up? Or, better, is he building machines?) There aren&#039;t significant oligarchs to whack, and the least insignificant of them all are on the right. It&#039;d probably make more of a difference if the Kochs got whacked than if Soros did. What would Putin do? Probably exile a few oligarchs, but probably also shut down Harvard and reinvest its endowment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling for heads is counterproductive without the governmental power to back it up, but if heads must be called for, they can&#8217;t be the heads of politicians. The whole point of democracy is that politicians are gears in a machine: take out one gear and another will fit in the same place. Maybe it would&#8217;ve had an effect if Reagan had gotten shot, but I doubt it.</p>
<p>Greece is instructive here. A Golden Dawn member whacked an anti-fascist rapper, so the Greek government cracked down on Golden Dawn. Then two Golden Dawn members got whacked and the Greek government didn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>America is much more machinic than Russia. (This is a problem for its future: is there anyone who can replace Putin? Does he have a dynastic transition set up? Or, better, is he building machines?) There aren&#8217;t significant oligarchs to whack, and the least insignificant of them all are on the right. It&#8217;d probably make more of a difference if the Kochs got whacked than if Soros did. What would Putin do? Probably exile a few oligarchs, but probably also shut down Harvard and reinvest its endowment.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/assassination-markets/#comment-28723</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent find. One of the reasons why the Assassination Market problem provoked my attention, though, is that it has the potential to appeal to a misguided strand of thinking on the anarchist right. Left-wing support for chaotic political violence is to be expected, but right-wing support calls out for a correction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent find. One of the reasons why the Assassination Market problem provoked my attention, though, is that it has the potential to appeal to a misguided strand of thinking on the anarchist right. Left-wing support for chaotic political violence is to be expected, but right-wing support calls out for a correction.</p>
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