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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-11879</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alrenous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 01:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Structural?

I&#039;m treating religion as a kind of system of ideas, which means the individual ideas are the particles of the system. 

What do you suggest Id o instead?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Structural?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m treating religion as a kind of system of ideas, which means the individual ideas are the particles of the system. </p>
<p>What do you suggest Id o instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-10862</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 01:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;all evidence about what people really want is rendered inaccessible, then cantankerous non-persuasive disputes is all we have.&quot;

Admin just summed up the internet.  Well done!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;all evidence about what people really want is rendered inaccessible, then cantankerous non-persuasive disputes is all we have.&#8221;</p>
<p>Admin just summed up the internet.  Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-10857</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 00:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only argument-resolving specificity comes from markets (revealed preferences). As long as the state has medicine in a death-grip, so that all evidence about what people really want is rendered inaccessible, then cantankerous non-persuasive disputes is all we have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only argument-resolving specificity comes from markets (revealed preferences). As long as the state has medicine in a death-grip, so that all evidence about what people really want is rendered inaccessible, then cantankerous non-persuasive disputes is all we have.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-10856</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 00:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once globalized markets for professional medical services mature, which they will -- driven by out-of-control cost dynamics in Western countries -- I expect competent Asian health care options to prove attractive. They combine the best of Western capability with a minimum of special-interest hubris.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once globalized markets for professional medical services mature, which they will &#8212; driven by out-of-control cost dynamics in Western countries &#8212; I expect competent Asian health care options to prove attractive. They combine the best of Western capability with a minimum of special-interest hubris.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-10855</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 00:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s &#039;easy&#039; -- Roughly Daoist-slanted Neo-Confucian, with Pyrrhonian sympathies, which requires strict subordination of &#039;spiritual&#039; commitments to philosophical compulsions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s &#8216;easy&#8217; &#8212; Roughly Daoist-slanted Neo-Confucian, with Pyrrhonian sympathies, which requires strict subordination of &#8216;spiritual&#8217; commitments to philosophical compulsions.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-10846</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Especially since prayer, medicine, and actual education are none of them mutually exclusive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially since prayer, medicine, and actual education are none of them mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-10845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Handle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sets up a rhetorical trap.  Any examples I try to marshal in favor of the capability of modern medicine (itself more of a technology of other sciences plus a social science) you will just allocate to your &#039;20%&#039; as retort.  Are we counting by expenditure, time, techniques, lives saved, QALY&#039;s saved, QALY&#039;s / Public Funds overall efficiency, etc. ?

Let me use blunt trauma injuries as a particular way to expose revealed preferences.  Perhaps one parent in ten million thinks, when they&#039;re son gets in a car or sports (or war) accident resulting in bleeding and broken bones, that they&#039;d be at least as well off not getting the immediate attention of paramedics, stabilized with a host of sanitized and validated drugs, devices, and techniques, shuffled to an emergency room, treated by surgeons, and have their bones set with plaster or pins or even replaced - with antibiotics thrown in to prevent opportunistic (from the scene) or Iatrogenic (from other ill people in the care facility) infection.

Emergency medicine, in particular, has made measurably great strides in the past few decades - which is part of why both the &#039;homicide rate&#039; and &#039;battle fatality per potentially-fatal incident rate&#039; have declined so markedly (thwarting various attempts at time-series analysis).

Implicit in this discussion seems to be a strange linguistic nomonym where &#039;Medicine&#039; means both the &#039;good, obviously beneficial medicine I&#039;d always unhesitatingly use&#039; and the &#039;bad, ineffective medicine that doesn&#039;t really know how to cure the uncertain cause of this particular symptom&#039;.

So, is it just so that we can believe in (some) medicine and bitch about (some) medicine at the same time without needing to be more specific?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sets up a rhetorical trap.  Any examples I try to marshal in favor of the capability of modern medicine (itself more of a technology of other sciences plus a social science) you will just allocate to your &#8216;20%&#8217; as retort.  Are we counting by expenditure, time, techniques, lives saved, QALY&#8217;s saved, QALY&#8217;s / Public Funds overall efficiency, etc. ?</p>
<p>Let me use blunt trauma injuries as a particular way to expose revealed preferences.  Perhaps one parent in ten million thinks, when they&#8217;re son gets in a car or sports (or war) accident resulting in bleeding and broken bones, that they&#8217;d be at least as well off not getting the immediate attention of paramedics, stabilized with a host of sanitized and validated drugs, devices, and techniques, shuffled to an emergency room, treated by surgeons, and have their bones set with plaster or pins or even replaced &#8211; with antibiotics thrown in to prevent opportunistic (from the scene) or Iatrogenic (from other ill people in the care facility) infection.</p>
<p>Emergency medicine, in particular, has made measurably great strides in the past few decades &#8211; which is part of why both the &#8216;homicide rate&#8217; and &#8216;battle fatality per potentially-fatal incident rate&#8217; have declined so markedly (thwarting various attempts at time-series analysis).</p>
<p>Implicit in this discussion seems to be a strange linguistic nomonym where &#8216;Medicine&#8217; means both the &#8216;good, obviously beneficial medicine I&#8217;d always unhesitatingly use&#8217; and the &#8216;bad, ineffective medicine that doesn&#8217;t really know how to cure the uncertain cause of this particular symptom&#8217;.</p>
<p>So, is it just so that we can believe in (some) medicine and bitch about (some) medicine at the same time without needing to be more specific?</p>
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		<title>By: Scharlach</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-10844</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Admin, some posts that hint enigmatically and tentatively at your own spiritual leanings would be well received, I imagine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admin, some posts that hint enigmatically and tentatively at your own spiritual leanings would be well received, I imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Scharlach</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-10843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scharlach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;My problem is entirely with entrenched tax-funded special interests promoting the indispensable importance of their ‘solutions’ in the complete absence of supporting evidence.&lt;/i&gt;

As long as &#039;medicine&#039; or &#039;doctors&#039; is your shorthand for ^^ that practice, then of course you&#039;re absolutely right. And I think your other suggestion is equally correct: first-world standards of health/longevity have more to do with the benefits of modernization as a more general system of practices rather than with the existence of doctors. That being said, who would you like treating your family: a Namibian witch doctor, a Civil War-era surgeon, a well-meaning physician working before the discovery of penicillin, or a contemporary graduate of UCLA or Oxford medical school?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My problem is entirely with entrenched tax-funded special interests promoting the indispensable importance of their ‘solutions’ in the complete absence of supporting evidence.</i></p>
<p>As long as &#8216;medicine&#8217; or &#8216;doctors&#8217; is your shorthand for ^^ that practice, then of course you&#8217;re absolutely right. And I think your other suggestion is equally correct: first-world standards of health/longevity have more to do with the benefits of modernization as a more general system of practices rather than with the existence of doctors. That being said, who would you like treating your family: a Namibian witch doctor, a Civil War-era surgeon, a well-meaning physician working before the discovery of penicillin, or a contemporary graduate of UCLA or Oxford medical school?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/beyond-belief/#comment-10841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What’s the last 20%?&quot; -- bone-setters. (But 20% was probably an absurdly relaxed figure -- it&#039;s my fingernail-hold on socio-political moderation.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What’s the last 20%?&#8221; &#8212; bone-setters. (But 20% was probably an absurdly relaxed figure &#8212; it&#8217;s my fingernail-hold on socio-political moderation.)</p>
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