Bluexit

Simply, yes:

Don’t organize. Pack. […] Not literally, of course. Not even the good people of Canada should have to stomach a mass migration of moping American liberals mumbling, “Live locally … make art.” What I mean is that it’s time for blue states and cities to effectively abandon the American national enterprise, as it is currently constituted. Call it the New Federalism. Or Virtual Secession. Or Conscious Uncoupling — though that’s already been used. Or maybe Bluexit.

March 9, 2017admin 56 Comments »
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  • SVErshov Says:

    ‘ More than a century ago, William Jennings Bryan—a real populist—assured angry rural citizens that if we burned down our cities, they would spring up again as if by magic, fueled by the prosperity and providence of the nation’s farmers. Today, if we were to burn down our cities, the rest of the country would likely become a wholly owned province of the People’s Republic of China.’

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  • Jefferson Says:

    This was basically my argument for NRx supporting Trump. Well, this plus the incredible trolling upside.

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    Really the trolling tho’

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    Goth Eiríksson Reply:

    Didn’t you see when Pepe was shouted at H. Clinton?

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  • Nulle Terre Sans Seigneur Says:

    New Federalism? Unlikely. The progressive way has always been that of a New Nationalism, a la T. Roosevelt. To go one’s own way is nothing but “laissez-faire rugged individualism,” a horrifically unjust and uncaring policy contrary to the principles of the Social Gospel. When Boston revolted against its governor in 1689 and issued its Declaration, a precedent was set in this sense of righteousness. Everyone has heard of the Know Nothings for their nativism. Much less known is that they were the most socially progressive party of their time (http://www.wsc.mass.edu/mhj/pdfs/Taylor%20summer%202000%20combined.pdf). Even when progressives are cleansing the body politic, they do so not in the name of stability or separation, but of engineering the virtuous citizen of republican mythology.

    Moreover, now that the legacy press are slowly eroding, the outcome of a purely public opinion-driven citizens’ state without “respectable” institutions to filter and regulate discourse, will be ugly. Secession is unlikely, but general stagnation intertwined with irregular communal violence is.

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    darkreformation101 Reply:

    Correct about the legacy press, and about the possibility of communal violence.

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    Goth Eiríksson Reply:

    the legacy press are slowly eroding, the outcome of a purely public opinion-driven citizens’ state without “respectable” institutions to filter and regulate discourse, will be ugly.

    Un-fortunately the new media platforms (Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc) already serve—and increasingly so—as “respectable” institutions to filter and “regulate” discourse.

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  • The Lion Says:

    Reading between the lines here, it seems that the author is arguing for a system of loyal patronage, which the Red States have not respected– we hand out welfare subsidies to you in the form of Federal funding, and in return, you should vote for our candidates; you haven’t done this, so we are taking back the dole and leaving you to fend for yourself.

    Otherwise, the argument makes no sense– bashing people because they are poor, net users of government services? Wouldn’t that be much of the Democratic welfare base (immigrants/refugees, people who can’t feed their families, can’t provide schooling to their children, have been injured on the job, etc., or are otherwise mendicant)? So why is it okay for some groups to be net users of government services, and not okay for other groups to be? Isn’t that the whole point of government in the Progressive worldview– to provide out of the common fund for those who can’t make it on their own? Is the argument that the Red States are actually really rich and this is a kind of “welfare for the wealthy” scheme they’ve worked out somehow, against the Blue States’ best intentions?

    But yes, I agree, more secession is good any way you look at it, the opposite impulse of “Go your own way” is “We will destroy and occupy you and force you to conform”. Not pretty.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Dearie,

    The only reason you have money temporarily is the various and sundry lootings of all the industries of the nation, and of course your printing presses.

    Here’s our contract: Here is a shovel. Dig your own graves. It’s fate you chose.

    You looted the nations wealth, took it’s industries to the pawn shop and now it’s ending for you as well.

    You’re totally parasitic and produce nothing, consume everything. Of the Trillions you steal every year you send back about 10% to your zombie benefits voters.

    Free Trade, Regulation, Taxes, kickbacks from Foreign govts, money printing eroding our currency….you know what you are and what you’ve done.

    Here’s our contract: Here is a shovel. Dig your own graves. It’s fate you chose.

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  • pete Says:

    I love it when high-church Liberals show you their fangs. Yes yes, just drop the pretense that you have any respect or affection for the other political/geographic side. You hate them, you think they’re parasitic scum and you want them to be punished. Let it out! Why pretend that New York isn’t better than flyover country if that’s what you honestly think? There was much rhetoric about reaching out to those poor losers in the press recently, but we all know that isn’t going to happen: any high-church Lib knows deep in their heart that they’re troglodytic scum and will happily say so at cocktail parties or dinner conversations. Half of them moved to NY to get away from those places in the first place!

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    Wally D. Reply:

    Yes, real education occurs when the fangs are revealed and only then can one confirm one’s suspicions. Hitherto, it is theory only.

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  • Goth Eiríksson Says:

    Moreover, now that the legacy press are slowly eroding, the outcome of a purely public opinion-driven citizens’ state without “respectable” institutions to filter and regulate discourse, will be ugly.

    Interesting theoria. Would you expand on it?

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    Trogs Reply:

    Ugly? Only if you have not yet learned to properly hate, Saxon.

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  • smg Says:

    From the article:

    “And the demographic shifts that Democrats so patiently—and foolishly—counted on to change everything will now be stalled and undermined at every turn. A few years of Republican border and refugee policies, and we’ll be headed back to the ever-whiter America that preceded Lyndon Johnson’s 1965 immigration reforms. ”

    And the mask is completely off now.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Yeah, the whole article is full of little morsels like that.

    But I mean come on, progressives have not exactly made a subtle point of basking in the delight of the inevitable death of white America, especially in recent years. “Dying, old, white men”.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    As others have pointed out, the derided red states—especially Ol’ Miss, which the author points to specifically—have the highest % of blacks in America. The author is delusional.

    A minor quibble. In general, of course I agree with the Exit impulse on display here. However, the utter blindness to demographic reality belies the difficulties of the thing.

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  • Daniel Chieh Says:

    Hurry and exit, blue freaks. Please take your debt too.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    In the degenerate future, secession is not stopped by titanic clashes of armies, but by bickering with the bank about who owes the debt.

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    smg Reply:

    I live in very blue NJ. Besides CA, we have the largest unfunded pension liability in US. We also have 5-9% state income tax & the highest property taxes in the US. We’ve been bleeding whites for years. Our wealthiest resident, multi-billionaire hedge-fund manager David Tepper, moved to FL last year leaving a huge hole in our state budget.

    I would immediately leave if I thought secession could happen. I’m not getting stuck with the bill. The most prestigious suburb of NYC, Greenwich, CT, experienced DECLINING property values last year.

    The NE is propped up by Wall Street & bubble finance. Minus that & it’s a shell.

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    Wally D. Reply:

    I passed on buying a $3.00 shiny, red apple in Safeway. Dollar bills are rapidly approaching toilet paper status. The 20 trillion dollar debt will cancel itself out, sooner rather than later.

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    Orthodox Reply:

    Hush about the debt. Be like Brer Rabbit. You can’t go! You’ll ruin America! The Civil War settled this! That’s our land! We’re finished without you! Our economy will collapse! Please no!

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  • Joe Says:

    I found it interesting that there was not a word in his piece about the racial makeup of his new, federally-independent blue states. He seems to be under the impression that they will be just larger versions of Silicon Valley and Cambridge, MA,, and seems to think all the minorities in Detroit and the Deep South will stay there when all the good social welfare goodies are located in the new independent blue states and all the federal welfare for the minorities in the red states is gone. Apparently he is paying no attention to what is happening to Sweden and the rest of the “blue states” of Europe.

    Also he’s under the impression that progressive white males like him will be running things in the new blue America. Sorry, buddy – if you want a vision of your future in diverse blue America, watch a youtube video of that Bernie Sanders rally in Seattle where the black loudmouths got on his stage and lectured the earnest whities about what progressive racists they were.

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Let them have their dreams. Their City of God shall be flawless!

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    Irving Reply:

    blue state secession would obviously not be hampered by racial heterogeneity. the ghettos are concentrated and dispersed. they may cause problems but all in all, the blue states, if they seceded, would be taking most of america’s economy with it. they’d do just fine.

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    Joe Reply:

    Somehow white pre-1965 America built the world’s leading economy but a virtually all-white red America would trail behind Brazil-like blue America economically? Not buying it.

    Again, white progressives would not be governing blue America. They would be a minority, just as they are a minority of Democratic voters. The blue states would be run by the kinds of minorities that ran Detroit, Camden, Newark, Philadelphia, and other majority-minority cities into the dirt.

    And again, the non-whites in red America would massively migrate to blue America for the welfare and to continue to enjoy their superior minority moral privilege. It would look like the boats of Africans arriving in Italy. Only the most die-hard progressive whites would stay in blue America as their less hardcore white progressive brothers recognized that they were not going to be able to make their New Scandinavian Utopia in a country that looks like Brazil and would flee, tails between their legs, for red America and safety. Ask Minnesota legislator Phyllis Kahn, a hardcore progressive and 44-year incumbent in the Minnesota House, how it’s working out for her now that her seat was taken from her by a Somali resident of New Mogadishu, er, I mean Minneapolis. Her position in the legislature is now used to advocates for Somali interests, not progressive interests. And the same would quickly happen in blue America.

    But I say let the white progressives remain under the delusion that their new utopia, free of politically backwards white people, will just be a giant Silicon Valley. If it gets us into separate countries, I’m all for it.

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    Irving Reply:

    whites left behind in red america would not build “the world’s leading economy”. remember, “whites” don’t build anything. competent people build things, and red america, as is clear from the rampant unemployment, opiod abuse, suicide rates, illegitimacy rates, etc., is bereft of competent people. and those that it has would also migrate to seceding blue states. this is the reality.

    bomag Reply:

    whites left behind in red america would not build “the world’s leading economy”

    Excellent. A shabby place sans the pet vibrants is probably an optimum future. We need more thorns and fewer roses.

    Orthodox Reply:

    You are correct as it stands, but as soon as the secession is complete, rump America will end welfare and minorities will flood into the blue states. The tax rate in red America will probably settle around 20-25% of GDP, while the blue states climb past 50%. It won’t take more than one or two generations for a total wealth inversion.

    Also, this only works if the cities are allowed to rule as tyrants over states. NY is red state, NYC is a blue city. NYC and a few surrounding counties will separate from the USA, but NY will remain in it. Most of CA, OR and WA will remain in the USA. Chicago will leave, Illinois will stay.

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    Irving Reply:

    most of the minorities are already in the blue states, the only exception are black belt african americans and hispanic migrants in the midwest. the hispanics might move but the blacks largely won’t . in any case, this assumes the blue states would let every single one of these people in without discrimination. remember, without the red states, they have no reason to take low skill migrants in order to win elections anymore. but this is besides the point. the main point is that almost all red state whites is also significantly dependent on wealth transfers from blue states – are they going to try and migrate too?

    i assume the cities would rule as tyrants over states, as they already do. after all, upstate new york needs new york city more than new york city needs upstate new york.

    smg Reply:

    lol, no.

    Red states aren’t hell-holes of unemployment & drug abuse. Stats for blue states show higher rates for both along with higher crime rates.

    I live & have lived on the East Coast (NYC) for decades. Much of our economy is Wall Street driven & many of our previously wealthy suburbs are shells of their former selves. Our state economy in NJ appears in a permanent downward spiral. Many of our most productive people are leaving while are ghetto communities are proliferating.

    Red America will do fine minus crony Wall Street debt driven bubble prosperity.

    smg Reply:

    Depending on what you believe constitutes “most of Americas” economy.

    lol

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    Irving Reply:

    just over 1/2 of america’s economy is concentrated in a couple dozen cities, all of which are in blue states. the only exceptions are dallas, houston and atlanta, and lol @ the idea that these places are going to want to join and independent red state america. and yes, many of these red states ARE hellholes. i’ve even lived in some of them. there’s a reason why every young person with the ability gets the hell out of their at the first opportunity.

    Irving Reply:

    this is also worth looking at https://twitter.com/iseff/status/435908878446755840/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    smg Reply:

    Irving – you’re conflating productive assets with gdp inflated by debt & bubbles. The blue cities exist on the exhaust of debt fueled expansion that is UNPRODUCTIVE in nature. Will the US be capable of borrowing at current levels indefinitely with rising rates? Because blue city/state prosperity absolutely depends on that.

    Capital, both human and financial, is incredibly mobil. 1% of the wealthiest citizen hold an incredible amount of that capital & feel no loyalty to any particular location.

    Yes, they should do away with the federal income tax & increase local taxes to pay for “services” as indicated in the article. I’m sure that policy will have no unintended consequences on tax receipts for high tax blue cities (lol).

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    I live in the Red and am a “young person with ability.” I think you underestimate the dependence of the Blue on us for manufacturing, productivity and talent. I will bet against you and say that we will manage fine, and win on pleasantness and stronger communities.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    That’s the case. As Jim put it, Blue States are “Consulate States.”

    Above all, the progressives who have balked at any sort of fragmentation suddenly crying like bitches and doing the “I’m gonna take my ball and go home” thing is intensely disgusting. I don’t think they even realize they had a mask to drop.

    What oh what shall we do without all the leftoid fauna on display in anti-Trump freakout vids? Can a world without Berkeley rioters, CAIR, “benevolent pedophiles” and Sotheby’s auctions of conceptual art even manage running water?!

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  • collen ryan Says:

    If they were serious I would say ‘youre not dictating terms to anyone what i will grant you is your lives well some of you may keep your lives’

    anglosphere nations should not cede ideal geographic location (continents) to commie swine and niggers. These are our lands AND WE WILL NOT CEDE AN INCH.

    youre kidding yourselves if you think they would offer acceptable terms never ever going to happen. The universe belongs to whites every last scrap of it that is the deal I will take

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  • wu-wei Says:

    Take Mississippi (please!), famous for being 49th or 50th in just about everything that matters. When it comes to sucking at the federal teat, the Magnolia State is the undisputed champ. More than 40 percent of Mississippi’s state revenue comes from federal funding; one-third of its GDP comes from federal spending; for every dollar it pays out in federal taxes, it takes in $4.70 in federal aid; one in five residents are on food stamps—all national highs. You people—your phrase, not mine—liked to bash Obama for turning America into what you derisively referred to as “Food Stamp Nation.” In reality, it’s more like Food Stamp Red America—something your Trump-loving congressmen will discover if and when they fulfill their vow to gut the program.

    So who’s taking the food stamps in this country, anyway? Per capita? I’m guessing its implied that blue-america is going to be taking their little black and brown pets with them, right?

    We’ve all seen those graphs showing the actual income distribution of democrats/republicans at the per-individual level, right? Because the state level aggregation is sort of a Simpson’s paradox.

    Hard not to find anything in this article not to like, really.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    No thats why he mentions mississippi and colorado the rural southern states are majority black,same in the southwest mostly brown, hes planning on taking the gentrified cities and the coasts. In liberal minds all non liberal whites are low IQ toothless welfare cases which is of course the nrx view as well.
    It would be funny to watch their all black army and police force have a field day with them

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  • brainwashed idiot Says:

    I think its a misreading to see this as an actual embrace of Exit. The cowardly author doesn’t take his own idea seriously, or ever surrender the dream of the Blue Empire.

    Blue states would “exit” but stay in the union, and by virtue of their Enlightened status would work to win over the benighted, dependent reds and persuade them to accept blue governance once again. Its obvious even the words “stop funding the Federal government” taste like ashes in this guys mouth.

    To the blues, the reds are just misbehaving children. Like blacks, but at least blacks have the good sense to be grateful and vote Democrat. If real “exit” happens that fantasy will crumble. Does it amuse anyone else that he singles out Mississippi, a state thats 40% black, as representative of red America? That Detroit is “your problem now”, but other “blue cities in red states” need to be rescued and incorporated into the Bluexit?

    The author is fully backing the status quo, but with the recalcitrant outgroup punished by being denied the presence of the angelic ingroup until such a time as they come to their senses and accept their inferior position.

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    Post Alley Crackpot Reply:

    This is a strangely American affliction known as the “city on a hill” premise …

    The author believes “his people” can be “unto a city on a hill”, to use Reagan’s parlance (and Winthrop’s), without the context that tends to imply.

    US President Reagan’s election evening address — 3 November 1980

    What’s interesting about this premise is that it fails to address the idea that “the city on a hill” is itself a carceral entity for the rest of a society that wants its own negotiated exit from such arrangements.

    Increasingly American “flyover territory” looks at itself not as “a city on a hill”, but as many towns in the valleys, protected by good fortune, good geography, and good arrangements with their neighbours and supply lines.

    “American Exit” looks less like Red States v. Blue States, but perhaps more like a negotiated exit to be closer to the supply regions versus a chaining up with those who are like-minded.

    The real “American Exit” is not in the hands of the “Blue States”, and perhaps it never was.

    While visiting America during the Clinton regime many, many years ago, a friend took me to watch the movie “Independence Day”, which happened in a part of the country known for its once-upon-a-time armed resistance to the US federal government …

    It was more than a little shocking to me that the audience cheered when the White House was destroyed in the movie, but then I considered the occupant at the time and how he was lording “the city on a hill” (or in a swamp) over all of the country.

    Perhaps this makes 11/9/2001 more interesting in terms of semiotics: it was the sign that it was time for Americans to “circle the wagons” against coming attacks from “the Outside”, a mindset that’s playing itself out still in 2017.

    Without the perception of external threats, perhaps “American Exit” would have happened long ago.

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  • darkreformation101 Says:

    If it did happen, Red American would have the military, engineers, the big corporates and the religious right. Those “whites” currently suffering from economic warfare would re-trained and “re-purposed” into an industrial-military army that makes and breaks things.

    Blue state could do well economically, but their problem is that, as other pointed out above, they would get choked politically and economically by the Dalits.

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    A.B. Prosper Reply:

    Yep. Also a lot of the blue economy is IP and especially dependent on the Reds playing fair.

    Red assets tend to be things like factories and the like, actual capital not electrons or paper.

    Thus we the Reds do not have to honor the Blue’s copyright only our own to gain .

    And yes its a bit of the Sino model, it works though.

    That aside, depending on how it came out in an actual not virtual succession California might do well, it has more than a little manufacturing , very good arable land and more.

    They’ll get hosed on Hollywood (Red America would be wise to censor imports as hostile agitprop anyway ) Silicon Valley (the aforementioned copyright issue) and trade.

    Of course ,many trade will be hosed in a few years anyway once China finishes widening the Panama canal since this will relive congestion of the big 5 ports all of which are in Blue territory that of course assuming relive congestion is what i think it is, coded talk for reduce traffic

    Gradually I suspect that Blue States will become mini Latin nations, diverse and ruled by a mixed group of Latins and Whites or just Latins with chronic violence and unrest

    After a few years of that North California (maybe all of it, just North of Silicon valley, or just the area known as Jefferson) Oregon and eventually Washington after some expulsions will rejoin the union

    I could see Red New York or even New Jersey petitioning fro intervention., They might get it which would allow the Blues to be dealt with. This would shift power away but people will give up a lot to avoid the rot when they can’t run.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    yeah if they allowed an exit we would get all the men and arms and real stuff and then conquer them and they will figure that out before they sign so this is never happening

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  • smg Says:

    @Joe
    You might want to familiarize yourself with the concept of capital flight. It’s happening right now, in those blue cities & blue states you reference & has been on going for a decade.

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  • Seth Largo Says:

    the fact that this whole thread has devolved into muh-red-state vs. muh-blue-state also demonstrates the difficulty of apolitical exit-based mechanisms. we’re an unfortunate control freak dick-measuring species.

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Alas. One of the difficulties of the patchwork.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    yeah because politics is evolution

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  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    If they’re willing to take the mestizos, Somalians, and MENA peoples that they’ve inflicted on us, then I think we could come to an arrangement.

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  • Goth Eiríksson Says:

    Éric Laurent – La bataille de l’autisme
    http://www.tu.be/3f0yw46ThNw

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  • Thales Says:

    Conqueror’s Remorse.

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    Btw, isn’t this pretty much what “Logan” is about?

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    If Admin is telling them to lay down and die fine.
    That’s what they told us, and we see what that got them.

    Here’s our contract: A shovel. Dig your own graves. It’s fate you chose.

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  • Wagner Says:

    “Don’t organize. Pack.”

    Theory: admin feels guilty for forsaking his fellow Britons so constantly has to rationalize to himself and others his decision to forsake them with his philosophy of Exit.

    Just accept the truth and go back to Britain Land! You have to go back!

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    Wagner Reply:

    Pack, pack, you have to go back!

    In Britain a landlord, in China a renter,

    to ease your conscience replace Exit with Enter

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