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		<title>By: There is no such thing as capitalism &#124; The Mitrailleuse</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-75146</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[There is no such thing as capitalism &#124; The Mitrailleuse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 17:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Nick Land, Outside In [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Nick Land, Outside In [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Contemplationist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-74836</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Contemplationist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 01:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@admin&lt;/strong&gt;

Err, are we forgetting Gregory Clarke&#039;s thesis here on selection of bourgeois traits due to Malthusian pressures allowing (finally) the skyrocketing of productivity (i.e. the Industrial Revolution)?]]></description>
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<p>Err, are we forgetting Gregory Clarke&#8217;s thesis here on selection of bourgeois traits due to Malthusian pressures allowing (finally) the skyrocketing of productivity (i.e. the Industrial Revolution)?</p>
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		<title>By: Nietzschean economics &#124; The New International Outlook</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-74278</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nietzschean economics &#124; The New International Outlook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] it further to it’s perpetuation. It’s at this point that we begin to dive headlong into the Landian teleological [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] it further to it’s perpetuation. It’s at this point that we begin to dive headlong into the Landian teleological [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: This Week in Reaction &#124; The Reactivity Place</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-73034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This Week in Reaction &#124; The Reactivity Place]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2014 01:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Land helpfully defines Capitalism for us. See also some perspicacious commentary on Conservatism and [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Land helpfully defines Capitalism for us. See also some perspicacious commentary on Conservatism and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: kantbot</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-72252</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is exactly the sort of sociological hypostasis Neoreaction should be rejecting, this sort of rationalistic projection of second order constructs into reality is characteristic of modernity if anything. The debate shouldn&#039;t be about capitalism, it should be about how we think about capitalism, and this is just Neo-Neo-Marxism but many Neoreactionaries aren&#039;t philosophically inclined enough to understand the underlying logical error of understanding capitalism in this way.

Modernity is not an era in the history of society, but a phase in the development of subjective rationality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly the sort of sociological hypostasis Neoreaction should be rejecting, this sort of rationalistic projection of second order constructs into reality is characteristic of modernity if anything. The debate shouldn&#8217;t be about capitalism, it should be about how we think about capitalism, and this is just Neo-Neo-Marxism but many Neoreactionaries aren&#8217;t philosophically inclined enough to understand the underlying logical error of understanding capitalism in this way.</p>
<p>Modernity is not an era in the history of society, but a phase in the development of subjective rationality.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-71824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 00:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@&lt;/strong&gt;ghostlike I have been thinking among similar lines and been trying to read heidegger. I&#039;m especialy interested in antihumanism&#039;s compatability with trad catholics and trad reactionaries. Is the premise of not centerng all thought and philosophy on clever chimps not within the same ball park as belief in God thedisticaly? The quintessential belief in greater forces at play? But i fear thst I have hijacked this thread now. Best to get back to capitalism!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@</strong>ghostlike I have been thinking among similar lines and been trying to read heidegger. I&#8217;m especialy interested in antihumanism&#8217;s compatability with trad catholics and trad reactionaries. Is the premise of not centerng all thought and philosophy on clever chimps not within the same ball park as belief in God thedisticaly? The quintessential belief in greater forces at play? But i fear thst I have hijacked this thread now. Best to get back to capitalism!</p>
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		<title>By: Ghostlike</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-71708</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ghostlike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did some exploration in the story &lt;a href=&quot;http://gamesoftranscendi.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Simulacrum&lt;/a&gt; on anti-humanism. It was not nearly enough, but I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that self improvement is analogous to (high transcendental) necromancy and requires jettisoning the sanctity of life and common sense morality as it has been mostly unchanged ever since man evolved into homo sapiens.

Most of our difficulty in seeing past the Singularity is because our thinking is so welded to those (wrong) common sense patterns that we literally cannot perceive anything except through the lens of humanism. Another lesser reason is that we think we live in an universe that is resource constrained (despite the fact that with our understanding it should not exist in the first place) so we try to come to grips to it by increasing scale of our vision linearly (for example, interstellar colonization via robots instead of Universal Manipulation.) This second reason is not a problem by itself, but it does not bring clarity to the table, instead it diverts thinking into useless areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some exploration in the story <a href="http://gamesoftranscendi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Simulacrum</a> on anti-humanism. It was not nearly enough, but I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that self improvement is analogous to (high transcendental) necromancy and requires jettisoning the sanctity of life and common sense morality as it has been mostly unchanged ever since man evolved into homo sapiens.</p>
<p>Most of our difficulty in seeing past the Singularity is because our thinking is so welded to those (wrong) common sense patterns that we literally cannot perceive anything except through the lens of humanism. Another lesser reason is that we think we live in an universe that is resource constrained (despite the fact that with our understanding it should not exist in the first place) so we try to come to grips to it by increasing scale of our vision linearly (for example, interstellar colonization via robots instead of Universal Manipulation.) This second reason is not a problem by itself, but it does not bring clarity to the table, instead it diverts thinking into useless areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-71652</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m trying to explain what was different in Old Europe - admin is the one saying that the difference makes them not capitalist. They seem at least &lt;i&gt;commercialist&lt;/i&gt; to me, a word which could usefully be pressed into service here. Part of being bad at capitalism may also have been the thing commented on by HBD Chick, &lt;i&gt;Farewell to Alms&lt;/i&gt;, and others, that it took a lot of breeding for commercialism, genetic pacification, prevalence of contract, et cetera, to create a sort of critical mass of industrial revolution. The spare wealth and wealth-generating systems were not yet fully formed.

I dispute that the merchant caste is a natural predator of the warrior caste. Conflict ran both ways, mercantilism was popular, and when the merchant pushed too far with &quot;I demand you uphold your end this contract that I fast-talked you into signing while maliciously mis-explaining it&quot;, the warrior lords were quite happy to respond with &quot;I&#039;m expelling you, and keeping all the benefits from your end, because you have forfeited your rights to recompense.&quot; And in some cases, when the warriors bought debt they couldn&#039;t afford, the warriors just took the merchants&#039; stuff. Repeatedly.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_IV_of_France&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In 1306, Philip the Fair expelled the Jews from France and, in 1307, he annihilated the order of the Knights Templar. Philip was in debt to both groups and saw them as a &quot;state within the state&quot;.

His financial victims also included rich abbots and the Lombard merchants who had earlier made him extensive loans on the pledge of repayment from future taxation. Like the Jews, the Lombard bankers were expelled from France and their property expropriated.&lt;/a&gt;

Your remark about merchants not scamming their partners too badly only holds for merchants who are tied down or part of large, well-established merchant houses, I figure, making them something like stationary bandits. Roving-bandit-merchants probably existed too, professional scammers who sucked up much of the wealth in a community, moved on a few miles with their superior traveling skills, and repeated until they settled down and retired in another country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to explain what was different in Old Europe &#8211; admin is the one saying that the difference makes them not capitalist. They seem at least <i>commercialist</i> to me, a word which could usefully be pressed into service here. Part of being bad at capitalism may also have been the thing commented on by HBD Chick, <i>Farewell to Alms</i>, and others, that it took a lot of breeding for commercialism, genetic pacification, prevalence of contract, et cetera, to create a sort of critical mass of industrial revolution. The spare wealth and wealth-generating systems were not yet fully formed.</p>
<p>I dispute that the merchant caste is a natural predator of the warrior caste. Conflict ran both ways, mercantilism was popular, and when the merchant pushed too far with &#8220;I demand you uphold your end this contract that I fast-talked you into signing while maliciously mis-explaining it&#8221;, the warrior lords were quite happy to respond with &#8220;I&#8217;m expelling you, and keeping all the benefits from your end, because you have forfeited your rights to recompense.&#8221; And in some cases, when the warriors bought debt they couldn&#8217;t afford, the warriors just took the merchants&#8217; stuff. Repeatedly.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_IV_of_France" rel="nofollow">In 1306, Philip the Fair expelled the Jews from France and, in 1307, he annihilated the order of the Knights Templar. Philip was in debt to both groups and saw them as a &#8220;state within the state&#8221;.</p>
<p>His financial victims also included rich abbots and the Lombard merchants who had earlier made him extensive loans on the pledge of repayment from future taxation. Like the Jews, the Lombard bankers were expelled from France and their property expropriated.</a></p>
<p>Your remark about merchants not scamming their partners too badly only holds for merchants who are tied down or part of large, well-established merchant houses, I figure, making them something like stationary bandits. Roving-bandit-merchants probably existed too, professional scammers who sucked up much of the wealth in a community, moved on a few miles with their superior traveling skills, and repeated until they settled down and retired in another country.</p>
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		<title>By: an inanimate aluminum tube</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-71633</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[an inanimate aluminum tube]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Problem is most people’s natural caste is merchant.&quot;

Nah, most people&#039;s natural caste is some kind of worker, like a peasant or a craftsman. Only a small percentage of those actually make good merchants. Most are pretty terrible at it.

Which is why a few [s]happy[/s] crafty merchants can (and did) easily end up owning a whole town through the combination of usury and alcohol sales.

An obvious remedy for this situation tends to present itself to the peasants, but certain ideological constructs consider that sort of thing to be poor sport.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Problem is most people’s natural caste is merchant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nah, most people&#8217;s natural caste is some kind of worker, like a peasant or a craftsman. Only a small percentage of those actually make good merchants. Most are pretty terrible at it.</p>
<p>Which is why a few [s]happy[/s] crafty merchants can (and did) easily end up owning a whole town through the combination of usury and alcohol sales.</p>
<p>An obvious remedy for this situation tends to present itself to the peasants, but certain ideological constructs consider that sort of thing to be poor sport.</p>
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		<title>By: scientism</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/capitalism/#comment-71620</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scientism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 16:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The transition to capitalism was a transition from a qualitative, legalistic framework to a quantitative one. It&#039;s easy to look back and see &quot;weird&quot; attitudes stopping people from &quot;uncovering&quot; capitalism, but people didn&#039;t have decent methods to keep track of what they were doing quantitatively. In the absence of that, standards of fairness were enforced legalistically, with everybody being subject to the same restrictions. Prices were set from above, etc. The rise of capitalism was really a technological development, with the spread of standards of weight and measure, methods of bookkeeping, etc. Being able to keep track of your own business dealings means greater autonomy, because you can agree on fair prices, less need for legal and religious standards, the expansion of markets and the rise of finance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The transition to capitalism was a transition from a qualitative, legalistic framework to a quantitative one. It&#8217;s easy to look back and see &#8220;weird&#8221; attitudes stopping people from &#8220;uncovering&#8221; capitalism, but people didn&#8217;t have decent methods to keep track of what they were doing quantitatively. In the absence of that, standards of fairness were enforced legalistically, with everybody being subject to the same restrictions. Prices were set from above, etc. The rise of capitalism was really a technological development, with the spread of standards of weight and measure, methods of bookkeeping, etc. Being able to keep track of your own business dealings means greater autonomy, because you can agree on fair prices, less need for legal and religious standards, the expansion of markets and the rise of finance.</p>
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