Chaos Patch (#113)

(Open thread + links)

Formalism (versus priestly power), or lies. Herding cats. On independence. Activist error. “The answer to global ethnocultural diversity is a global diversity of political regimes.” Reality inversion, and American Mayday. A case for popularity. The weekly round, plus outliers.

Marxist marginalization (connected). Individualism by the numbers. Alt-Right ripples (1, 2, 3), and links. Alt-Right Hawley reviews (1, 2). Alt-Right economics. Regime rules for niceness. The sexual marketplace. Political spectra. “[W]e all went berserk.”

Social implosion watch, Venezuela (1, 2, 3) and Arab world (1, 2) versions. Nuclear geography. The world of mercantile realpolitik. Londoners submit (relevant). Young French people today. A world gone Trump.

Trumpenführer panic report (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7). Never-never Trumpland (1, 2), and commentary, also. Acceptance indicators (1, 2, 3, 4), and beyond (1, 2, 3, 4, 5). “Trump is playing this game at a higher level than most of his critics” (plus). The demographic dimension (plus). FP rumbles. The big picture (1, 2, 3). Running the numbers (1, 2). Top influencers (supposedly). Popcorn bonus (video).

Sanders’ people (1, 2).

News curation. ZH doxed.

The tide of awkward information. Wilfred Reilly and Jared Taylor debate diversity (video). Inter-racial friendships. Tackling the model minority stereotype (poorly). Ask an indiscriminate question …

Epigenetics over-reach. Time to talk? (Plus.) General fitness. Deep learning meets the genome. Biological insecurity. Neuroscience and volition. Super-males obstruct speciation. Unreconstructed nature.

Mundane robot security. Edgy IBM. Bitcoin mining in China. SpaceX is getting good at this (video).

ZH doomcore (1, 2).

Extra triple-popcorn bonus (1, 2, 3).

The most expensive object on Earth. Crusaders against Cthulhu. Hypatia.

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  • wu-wei Says:

    I could be (gravely) mistaken, but isn’t London’s new mayor basically a moderate (ecumenical) muslim? I understand what the situation symbolizes, but isn’t it a bit hyperbolic to imply that he is gong to directly impose strict sharia law or whatever? Probably, the result will instead be capitulation to other (((moderate))) muslims, who will in effect be able to selectively impose informal sharia law onto their respective boroughs; much as America has capitulated to inner city youth and allowed them to selectively impose chaos and violence into their respective districts. Obama certainly deserves at least some credit for the rapid destruction of real-estate value in Ferguson. A “muslim president” indeed…

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    Aristocles Invictvs Reply:

    He called moderate Muslims “Uncle Toms” so I don’t think so. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3572866/Sadiq-Khan-issues-grovelling-apology-video-shows-using-Uncle-Toms-slur-against-moderate-Muslims.html

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    wu-wei Reply:

    It does say he offered a “groveling apology”, which would at least sort of imply that he is subjected to the same forces of Political Correctness that everyone else is (politicians never lie, right?)

    Still, it’s easy to imagine that a truly sincere “ecumenical muslim” could actually do a lot more damage than an “extremist”; if he hadn’t apologized, I would expect more pushback from whites. If he’s truly sincere, he can still unleash chaos upon London, just as sincere Progressives did to Detroit, and meanwhile most whites will just continue to self-fellate themselves over how “good” and “multicultural” they are.

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    pyrrhus Reply:

    As to where “moderate” Muslim leaders end up, check out Erdogan….

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    @pyrrhus

    In what sense is Erdogan moderate?

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  • wu-wei Says:

    Chants of “USA! USA! USA!” erupted at SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne, California as the Falcon 9 stuck its landing on the ship, which was stationed about 200 miles (320 kilometers) offshore in the Atlantic Ocean.

    Why are we messing around with Trump; just forge the ring and give Elon Musk imperium maius already.

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    pyrrhus Reply:

    Musk is a subsidy scavenger, not a businessman. After Paypal, it’s all been a scam. Whereas Trump has made it in one of the most difficult business environments around, NYC.

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    Xoth Reply:

    While I don’t think he’s on the Trump radar, Musk could be a useful cat’s paw. He thinks big, he gets results. So he loves to get subsidies, great, we have subsidies to hand out.

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  • Ahote Says:

    I don’t think that individualism and collectivism are ever that well defined, and it usually boils down to statism V. volunaryism. I’ve never seen more individualism than in the former Eastern Bloc countries – there people tend to be, in a very literal sense, all about “me, me, me,” distrustful of others, very cynical and prone to lone wolf behavior. Westerners, esp. the most “individualistic” americans tend to be very community-centered and give to charities more than any other nation. On the other hand, all that “me, me, me” in the East usually boils down to “What can the state do for me?” For all the flak that libertarianism gets, there are aspects of libertarianism that are key to success.

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    TheDividualist Reply:

    I think the core fear is precisely that Westerners could easily become much like how you described Eastern Europeans, precisely this kind of have no meaningful community but expect a lot from the state (or at least just loot it opportunistically) kind of thing.

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    Ahote Reply:

    I think that throughout the West communism already started doing what Communism did in the East. For example, the British “white trash” are no better than that of Russia, and are probably the trashiest of all the “white trash” in the Occident.

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    anon_o_nona Reply:

    Yes. The whole article is a great example of the usual poor use of statistics, like correlation computations with no underlying model for the data.

    ” garbage in garbage out ” as they say.

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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    Chants of “USA! USA! USA!” erupted at SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne, California as the Falcon 9 stuck its landing on the ship, which was stationed about 200 miles (320 kilometers) offshore in the Atlantic Ocean.
    Why are we messing around with Trump; just forge the ring and give Elon Musk imperium maius already.
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    split it up between Musk, the two founders of Google, Zuck, and Bezos

    Maybe buy a single share of each stock of the companies of the aforementioned individuals to maybe have some form of voting power in a hypothetical situation where they took over everything . Total cost is around $1600

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    John Reply:

    How dare you suggest those (((merchants))) stand on equal footing with god emperor Musk.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    A junta of 3 tech nerds would be quite an unstable configuration, I’m afraid. And Zuckerberg I could do without; although even giving him the One Ring would surely be an improvement over the current situation.

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    Xoth Reply:

    Musk, Bezos, Page, Brin, Zuckerberg … Looks a bit like the Supreme Court.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Glad to see the panic over Trump intensifying. He came in and said, “Actually, our problems are solveable,” and just about everyone in the elites lost their minds. This alone showed our people what time it is: two minutes to midnight and oh look, here comes the second hand.

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  • Mark Citadel Says:

    Thanks for the link, Nick. I had a good dialogue with vlogger Millennial Woes on the issue of London’s ‘honorable’ new mayor:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tULeL11Rhq0

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    SVErshov Reply:

    you can take a look into years of police cover ups of british girls rapes by pakistani youths in Rotherham. it is quite close to London. same going to happens in London now.

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  • Walter Oleg Says:

    Wow, I was linked at Outside in. I’ve hit the big time! thank you

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  • Grotesque Body Says:

    Bloody shovel forgot to include the fourth image where the graph turns into an ISIS flag.

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  • pyrrhus Says:

    @Brett Stevens
    Well put Brett! Yes, Trump proposing actual solutions to problems that have been very profitably unsolved and made worse by the DC apparatchiks was a horror never envisioned by the well larded likes of Bill Kristol et al.

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    michael Reply:

    trump first got famous in NYC when an ice skating rink in central park was taking like decades to repair and he butted in and offered to do it with his crew in weeks or months then did. How much was myth i cant recall but that was when he got noticed as a public figure.

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    Xoth Reply:

    (In a pained voice) You see, Trump has not yet understood government is not about solving social problems; it’s about perpetuating their management.

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  • Mariani Says:

    Is there any, you know, evidence for these redpill sexual marketplace numbers?

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    Mariani Reply:

    Because it seems to me that the manosphere is at least as keen on peddling made-up statistics as feminism is

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    SVErshov Reply:

    I’ve been living in super male dominated societies for last 20 years or so. interesting to know what happens to those supermales after 40 – they all become fatty teddy bears.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    At least, from the perspective of pure analytical evolutionary-psychology, much of it seems highly compelling. Whereas from that standpoint, most of feminism seems highly counter-intuitive and nonsensical. Occam’s Razor. Of course, it proves nothing if the theory doesn’t match the experience.

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  • Tentative Joiner Says:

    Yudkowsky signals against Trump. This is disappointingly straightforward blue team stuff, but he’s made an interesting observation:

    Trump and Sanders are both European politicians. Increased Internet has similar effects to proportional representation?

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    wu-wei Reply:

    That’s what terrified Moldbug about liberal-democracy – to remain stable, it needs to indoctrinate its citizens to fit into a relatively narrow overton-window. Our indoctrination apparatus (“Cathedral”) is emergent and self-coordinating – no one is in control, and free-information technologies like the Internet are potentially destabilizing, with possibly disastrous (read: violent) effects.

    As he put it once, we’re all on the plane and the cockpit is locked; whatever is inside, it is not the pilot.

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  • michael Says:

    The thing is Singapore becomes more efficient and stable the more chinese. On the construction site Im a monarch my authority is absolute if i want my guys to do pushups instead of work no one can stop me. I can make an example out of anyone who tries and I routinely do just to keep them reminded. I can eventually get the job done with a crew half full of niggers but i can do it 4 times faster with a crew full of whites The odds of some catastrophe happening with the all white crew is almost zero while with the multicultural crew its almost 100. But to me most importantly its so much more pleasant not having to pretend the apes are human. Will a white crew have a few apes in it sure but their chimp behavior is suppressed to almost zero while in a mixed species crew its antagonized. I would not bring my children into the chimp camp even if the law allowed it which is why we can barely build a skyscraper anymore.And if like most elites you think this is simple work any ape can do youre wrong but even if right ill tell you on the other side of the line i man are the architects engineers project managers also increasingly indian female brown yellow etc. They cant do the job either. so my job becomes trying to figure out how the job ought to have been engineered and how to get a monkey to do that. Its not worth 200k a year trust me. so i sit around a table with 30 other 50 something white construction foreman all counting the days till exit and wonder what the fuck will happen when we are gone. Frankly as far as do I prefer the social aspect of days with my 100 avg IQ white crew or my evenings with my 130 IQ yuppie friends its hard to say. first off the black apes aside the whites are of mixed IQS because despite Murray class still has an effect on career choices despite SATs. So my white crew tends to be more conservative and intellectually diverse and have less homogeneous interests some build race cars others are passionate about seaside living boats fishing surfing diving etc, another has a side business doing technical welding, I m into aviation and falconry,my yuppie friends never seem to be interested in anything other than food and tech and are uniformly liberal to a nauseating degree they seem effeminate almost proudly stupid about the most basic of skills. But yeah they are more likely to get my passion for illustrated books and are wittier. My drinking got me thrown out of a couple of universities and probably saved my mind. Perhaps im an anomaly but I like a diversity of intellectual backgrounds abilities classes, sure im bored with team sports talk. The blacks and browns are a whole other deal its so rare to meet one that is actually interesting. Now I have spent my life among them i speak fluent spanglish and ebonic I astound them with my street knowledge my arty intellectual parents saw fit to raise us in a ghetto so i grew up in one and can pass but also went to upper east side schools at times and can pass there too. The thing is theres nothing vibrant about it its a bore a grinding feeling that must be like what prison is like some are ok im actually close friends with a lot of minorities you cant help it but its a limited friendship thats limitations are constantly pushed forward. Personally i would like to live in 1900 in a white city.I dont understand this pretense that multiculturalism is inevitable or worth the trouble. Or that the path to it is any more difficult that monarchy or AI or that it must go hand in hand with socialism or populism or that there is hardly any difference between the apes and average white men. Or this glossing over of the fact that the worst of liberalism couldn’t exist without multiculturalism and much of the rest could be easily solved in a white nation [just as it is in the east asian nations so admired]. There is no dark enlightenment without HBD, The theocratic leg of the trichotomy i see as hopelessly cucked by a christian religion that is fundamentally ethnically universalist and economically socialist and by definition irrational, [and I say this as romantically fond if lapsed roman catholic] The patriarchy that is grouped with “tradition” should be moved over into the HBD column where it belongs. Thats not to say religion couldnt be accommodated to some extent but look at what its done to the GOP.A better dynamic is a conversation between the biolgical and the synthetic theoretic human spheres.

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    wu-wei Reply:

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    There is no dark enlightenment without HBD,

    I don’t think that’s necessary true. There are plenty of potential problems with democracy, even if your polity consisted of an ethnically and culturally homogeneous high-IQ population. HBD just makes the problems that much more explicit.

    Case in point would be Sweden. I would bet that you could remove their government entirely, converting it into some sort of anarcho-libertarian conclave, and it would probably do just fine. The streets would remain clean, roads would still get built, and I very much doubt the vigilante private police services would morph into a corrupt Maffia. Not saying it would be an improvement, but it would probably remain stable for several generations at least. And I really doubt it would ever turn into, say Somalia.

    On the other hand, import a few hundred thousand third worlders, and… As Norway put it recently, “when your foundation collapses, don’t come crying to us for help.”

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    michael Reply:

    I dont deny MM [and all those going back hundreds of years before him] critique of democracy I just find it a much smaller problem, as in not existential. BTBC [before the bell curve] I was worried socialism would collapse western economies.In the following 20 years we get HBD confirmation and the USA goes from 90 – 60 percent white or at least we strt to notice. You consider them together and you realize youre dead short of a race war you win, Because there is no exit the same time period has revealed a new world order and a deep tech state that short of a very sophisticated counter attack on which i advocate is never going to collapse or let anyone go anywhere NRX pipe dreams of AI kings saving them are deluded a DE cointel revolution would have a hundred orders of magnitude better odds. In fact i think it would be hard at all. The problem of democracy is misunderstood around here. yes it poorly incentivized thats correct but the masses are not natural socialist thats wrong. but if you have large discrepancies in ability that group is never going to vote for a level playing field and the fag etc vote used to tip the scale will never allow the social coercing that goes along with the written law to make a civilization

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  • John Hannon Says:

    Re the Neuroscience and volition link – Recent neurological research suggesting that volition and free will are illusory has been enthusiastically seized upon by a number of contemporary nondualists as being in alignment with the radically counter-intuitive teachings of neo-Vedanta.
    Here’s one of them discussing it in a philosophically all over the place talk in relation to the pronouncements of his guru, Nisargadatta Maharaj –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVHRRxUpog

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Ever since I was a small child, I was a strict believer in epiphenomenalism, absolute determinism, and borderline literal-solipsism. I believed in those concepts before I even knew the philosophical descriptions to describe them. It seemed obvious to me; I never understood how anyone else could not deductively arrive at the same conclusion. I’m less certain about it now though.

    Thanks for the video. I love how he says – “the “you” has no effect; it is going along for the ride“. That is, virtually word for word, how I always intuitively thought about it.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    I cleave closer to Dennettian instrumentalism. Given how communication and language work, it was pretty much inevitable that the grammatical subject ‘I’ or ‘you’ would emerge.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    True, but that applies to a fully automated, cybernetic machine constructed of meat, as well. At least, one which evolved to maximize reproductive/survival based utility in the tribal dynamic, through the exploitation of social communication. For such a machine, concepts of “I”, “you”, and “it” are very much practically useful abstractions to this end.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    I concur completely. I’m just saying that I think instrumentalism is even more parsimonious than epiphenomenalism, in that it becomes possible to dispense with even the ‘you’ that is supposedly going along for the ride.

    wu-wei Reply:

    I’ve always thought of the “you” as being the quale itself, in that a qualia is not a categorically meaningful distinction. I should really read more philosophy.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    If you’re looking for more phil of mind stuff I’ll take the opportunity to recommend an author who went to the same school as I did – John Eccles, who’s a Nobel laureate and has written lots of interesting stuff on proprioception and selfhood.

    John Hannon Reply:

    Just to clarify the type of philosophy that recent neuroscience is being invoked in support of here, the following is an explication of the meaning of Advaita by the contemporary mystic Andrew Harvey –

    “Advaita is not monism. Advaita means ‘not-two.’ We and the universe are not ‘one’ – then all distinctions would be destroyed. We are ‘not-two’ – intricately interrelated with everything, both separate, unique, and united.
    Look at the sea. All waves are rising and falling differently, in different rhythms, with different volumes. Some catch the light, some do not. You can see the separations between the waves, but what you also see quite clearly is that all the waves are water. That is what the knowledge of ‘not-two’ is like. Things retain their separateness which the senses give them, which we use to negotiate this reality, but the illumined mind knows that all things are waves of one infinite sea of light. You know, in other words, that you and everything are ‘not-two,’ and ‘you’ come to exist normally on all levels of creation, and meet ‘yourself’ in all states, events, conditions, beings.”

    Elsewhere, Harvey hints at how such an “illumined mind” might be cultivated –

    “Meditation slowly peels away and exposes the fact that all the constructions that the ego makes of reality are absolutely plausible and absolutely false. It is then that the full wildness of reality – the force which is creating a thousand disasters and a thousand births, supernovas, nightmare and revelation as we speak – starts to dawn in the open consciousness.”

    (Alas my own meditation practice has so far yielded nothing beyond a vague feeling of relaxed well-being)

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  • SVErshov Says:

    Bitcoin mining in China.

    nice try to make Chinies btc miners looks like idiots. 50 btc per day does not look like idiotic to me. usd 23000 per day (on current rate) and half mil per month after expences.

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  • William M Briggs Says:

    All,

    Here’s another video from the same fellow who did the one linked above at Russia Insider.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTbkbH3x7LQ

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  • SVErshov Says:

    Neuroscience and volition

    any fast developing branch of science like neuroscience, genetics, physics pruducing a lot of inconclusing and confusing transitory opinions. it is hard to catch some one bending it little bit to fit some particular ideology.

    why not to try to bend physics instead, there is a lot utterly confusing staff. for example it seems like neutron starts (most crazy objects in space imo) cooling from inside and not from surface like every other normal objects. that is quite horrific thing ‘cooling from inside’ and remain hot on surface.

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  • Tentative Joiner Says:

    After coffee, I decided to play a game against the new AI and see if it’s really indeed better. Maybe it’s just better against other AI but not humans. So I used my usual strategy. Bribed supporters on the first few turns. I acquired districts as soon as I can. I was winning. Every 5 turns, the game shows this graph about how many supporters each candidate has. I beat his numbers every time. I even have more acquired districts than him. Am I really playing against a better AI? On the last turn, I’ve made my actions. I knew I was gonna win. I controlled more districts than him. That dread that I probably just wasted time returned again. Election came… the AI won an unbelievable landslide. Jaw dropped. Turns out he didn’t care about the voters and was befriending more patrons than me. Well, I guess I created a monster.

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    Tentative Joiner Reply:

    Apparently part of my comment went missing. The quote is about a genetic algorithm discovering a way to play an election simulation game that wasn’t expected by its creator.

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  • Tentative Joiner Says:

    Philosophy’s too Western.

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    admin Reply:

    “You mean we should be teaching the five Confucian Classics?”
    “We were thinking more on the lines of Tasmanian animism.”

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    Tentative Joiner Reply:

    To be fair to Tasmanian animism, left alone by Westerners eager to apply the “noble savage” filter it would probably prove plenty heretical itself. (But probably less so than unfiltered Confucianism due to the forager-farmer distinction.)

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  • Outliers (#5) Says:

    […] life (relevant). Trump terminates PC, awakens identity. Empathy. Euro-Islam collapse. Aggregation: here, here and […]

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