Chaos Patch (#117)

(Open thread + links)

Canonizing Citadel. Balkanization problems. Weaponized billionaires. Boomer fail. Free fall. Fish in a barrel. A response to Cowen. NRx feeds the Alt-Right. Cruelty. A Moldbug achive. The weekly round, plus outliers.

The edge of mob rule. Slur-positive. Neo-Weimar blues. The Dalai Lama goes off-message. Radio Rabbit. Bitbastion. Idiocracy advances. Echoes of hate (((watch))), plus.

Trumpenführer panic report (1, 2, 3). King Trump. Minority, Sanderista, and anti-war Trumpists. Politically incorrect (referencing). Numbers games (plus). Troubling Thiel. A vote for survival. Brains and computability.

Thiel isn’t the problem. Replicant media.

Cali eugenics (video). Dysgenic relaxation. Cross-cultural smiles. A double origin for domestic dogs? Cancer vaccine prospects. HGP Write. Unsilenced science. Do species exist?

Deep physics. DNA data-storage. Big math. The ultimate catastrophe.

A DAO hole. The Bitcoin ecosystem (graphic). AI and Singularity lies. Human rights for robots?

Hyperloop math. Hyper-real math. The cyborg option.

Self-reference. Sex dolls today.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Digging through the Moldbug Archive now. Lots of interesting stuff in there… as if we all need more to read. Great list of links as usual.

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    Tentative Joiner Reply:

    This is like Sci-Hub for crimethink! Impressive. The archive weighs in at 5 GB in total. But, like Sci-Hub’s predecessors, I would not expect it to last indefinitely. If you want to download it, you’d better hurry.

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    Brett Stevens Reply:

    It’s time for #nrx to have a file host in some copyright-free zone like Eastern Europe.

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    TheDividualist Reply:

    yes, let’s do a Yandisk

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  • Erebus Says:

    From the link at “Idiocracy Advances,” Yale University students petition faculty with the following:

    >”When students are made to feel so alienated that they get up and leave the room, or get up and leave the major, something is wrong. The English department loses out when talented students engaged in literary and cultural analysis are driven away from the major. Students who continue on after taking the introductory sequence are ill-prepared to take higher-level courses relating to race, gender, sexuality, ethnicity, nationality, ability, or even to engage with critical theory or secondary scholarship. We ask that Major English Poets be abolished, and that the pre-1800/1900 requirements be refocused to deliberately include literatures relating to gender, race, sexuality, ableism, and ethnicity.

    It’s time for the English major to decolonize — not diversify — its course offerings. A 21st century education is a diverse education: we write to you today inspired by student activism across the university, and to make sure that you know that the English department is not immune from the collective call to action. “

    This absurd tirade — which would have been unimaginable just a few years ago — goes beyond the bounds of tasteful parody. Sadly, I think that the students are serious… though I suppose it’s impossible to dismiss the possibility that they’re playing a particularly vulgar & close-to-the-bone joke on their teachers.

    How long before a Harvard/Yale undergraduate education ceases to mean anything at all?

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    John Reply:

    > How long before a Harvard/Yale undergraduate education ceases to mean anything at all?

    It stopped being a signal of intellectual merit decades ago. It still signals elite social status and class loyalty.

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    Erebus Reply:

    I agree with you. But I am inclined to believe that your point extends only to those few who have been paying attention. A majority of Americans (to say nothing of foreigners!) likely still believe that an Ivy League education is a sign of intellectual merit or unusual achievement… but not for very much longer, I should think. What they call an education in English now has very little to do with English, nor does it have anything to do with education.

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    michael Reply:

    I think john Irving among others imagined it vividly almost 50 years ago. Harvard admission has meant nothing for quite some time.Look if this sort of left outrage porn gets you off read old 80s – 90s issue of NRO and spank away.

    Brown used to have an orgy in place of freshman orientation replete with upperclass guides
    This fall will be the first in nearly 25 years that students at Brown University won’t attend a well-known party titled “Sex Power God.”
    Queer Alliance, the student group that organizes the annual tradition, announced last week that this year’s installment was canceled. In the past decade, according to the group, the dance has evolved from an event for safe, positive sexual expression to an environment characterized by excessive alcohol consumption and at-times violent behavior, including sexual harassment and unwanted touching.

    Yale sponsored an artist thesis where she purposely impregnated herself then induced bloody fetal miscarriages into glass jars for exhibition for her senior projects

    this has all been going on for decades centuries millenia read waugh read wilde read the greeks and romans

    The question is what are you willing to do about it

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    Jefferson Reply:

    Didn’t the ivies all start as divinity schools/seminaries? How is this Amy different than at any point in the past?

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    Erebus Reply:

    At any point? How about, for instance, 1860-1960?

    Besides, surely there’s something uniquely perverse about English majors disparaging Keats and Byron so that they can instead “take higher-level courses relating to race, gender, sexuality, ethnicity, nationality, ability, or […] critical theory.”
    …If they had their way, I’m sure everything would be “gender studies,” “LGBT studies,” “postcolonialism studies,” and so on. It’s rather like Deutsche Physik, but in reverse: “We demand a blacker and queerer English.”

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Whites need to at least try joining their East Asian allies in the mathematics, tech and commerce departments.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “They’re playing a particularly vulgar & close-to-the-bone joke on their teachers.”

    This is the best analysis of the situation, except it’s less of a joke and more sounding out how much they can get away with without resistance. Expect to see bolder and more gleeful instances of same in the next six months.

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  • Tentative Joiner Says:

    The title for the Yudkowsky link is quite appropriate. If you can stomach the dog puns, there are some great bio stories in this week’s selection. What is prominently missing is a mention of the Swiss voting against unconditional basic income. Online commenters from Switzerland have mentioned they did not expect the initiative to pass.

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  • michael Says:

    Assimov has a lot of good points his resentment only barely discernible and irrelevant to his argument. However a few things should be added.
    The alt right should distance itself from the alt reich for the same reasons, people want a choice need to come in at different levels. I think they endanger themselves in the same way DENRX fears the racist brand, to me alt right should be coy about some of their more modest proposals.
    I think we should all uphold no enemies to the right Asimov is wrong that synchronicity no longer applies or that we have nothing to learn from each other. I think if trump doesnt work out which is likely under many scenarios they will be less cocky.I think they underestimate the influence or at least the introductions DENRX has made and can continue to make. If I were a leftist I would want to separate DENRX from alt right then destroy both separately.And someone recently made the accusation that this late attempt to draw the line is proof of entry, thats too far but its an open wound that could get infected entry. Its not that a line doesnt serve to some extent but it should be more like plausible deniability than schism, there are certain mainstream writers who demonstrate the usefulness of being invited to the right parties.If I was following the beginning of this schism at one point the line was to be drawn between the practical or heroic and the theoretical while i think race is eminently practical Id hope it wouldnt be at the exclusion of other areas a more balanced approach will yield better results.
    I do think hes DENRX is idolizing MM and getting too rarefied. I think if you really want to try out those ideas you are going to first conquer the cathedral I think smart people could easily do it with or without violence. i think even your theory is too ill defined so having no set plan theres no point in figuring out how to impose it. dilettante is the feeling one gets. yeah great blogs but this aint no disco or cbgb aint got time for that now,this performance art reaction has to go. This isnt to say twiiter war this is writing a reactionary constitution or bylaws or tenant contract for a patch negotiating a piece of ground to establish it setting up a reactionary mossad or just explaining a piece of how it would work like how are we going to re oppress the bitches just drag em by the hair to the kitchen, redesign them with 70 IQ with crispr, talk them into voluntarily acting meek, brainwash them with christianity? cause its odd how nothing can possibly be done but blog cause democracy man but things like oppress that bitch dont need an explanation of why that wont also just be a replay of history.Yarvin is brilliant funny etc but asimovs right he didnt leave a plan just a critique and I for one am unconvinced their is possible a self correcting system based on this 40,000 year old operating system. so if perfection is getting in the way get real patch it up find ways to mimic older systems that had some success until rebooting the dna is possible.

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    michael Reply:

    and this
    The theoretical scaffold here is not too surprising or novel, as the author himself admits, though it may be to Americans. In short, liberalism and individualism do not always go hand in hand with democracy. The examples from American history are legion. The rise of the Democratic party and universal white male suffrage resulted in a curtailment of the political rights of black Americans. In England when the elite wished to grant Roman Catholics more rights, the populace of London rioted. In 19th century Prussia the extension of suffrage out of the high bourgeoise to the rural population increased the base of conservatives, because the rural population looked more favorably toward their traditional aristocratic leaders and were more socially conservative. As the American political system has become more populist, expressions of religious piety and adherence among those in high office have increased.

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    Brett Stevens Reply:

    Interesting. Over time, however, democracy always shifts Leftward.

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  • Tentative Joiner Says:

    There is a connection, obvious in hindsight, between white nationalism and orthogonality. Our host calls attention to whiteness as a limit in part 4 of The Dark Enlightenment: “to darken it is to destroy it.” Orthogonal reason is one that racial admixture can contaminate — at any IQ level. It may retain most or all of its power after the event but its inevitably altered direction will not self-stabilize.

    Orthogonality-induced fear is then white nationalism with the whiteness replaced with humanity, a limit trait besieged in mind design space.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “humans are packed into a tiny dot in the configuration space: there is vast range over of other ways a mind can be”

    What can “tiny” or “vast” even mean in this context?

    LW is retarded.

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    Nathan Cook Reply:

    Well, Grotesque, the “ways a mind can be” are potentially parametrisable, which is to say we can conceive the existence of a bijective* function, itself beyond our ken, mapping intelligent beings to points in a very high-dimensional space. The dimensions of that space might measure things like working memory size, linguistic abilities, etc. etc., but more likely would themselves be so abstract as to be hard to understand. After all, this Function would have to have a domain large enough to include intelligences that don’t even reason linguistically. Some of those dimensions, however, would have a simpler explanation, mapping to visual, auditory, and linguistic memory.

    There’s some amount of information sufficient to describe any given human brain in full, with sufficient detail to emulate it. Some quantity of that information will be common to all human brains. The information common to all humans would map, under the Function, to a signpost in the enormous codomain, marking the “default human”. The information specific to individuals would map out a hypervolume, the boundaries of which would determine the limits of human mental variation. There would be huge variability in some of the dimensions corresponding to individual memories, rather less in dimensions corresponding to features of the human mind with less interpersonal differences, for instance in the workings of the visual cortex, and basically none in dimensions corresponding to potential features of minds that humans do not possess.

    The size of that hypervolume, compared to the size of the space as a whole, would, almost certainly, be minute. There are no human minds capable of mentally rotating complex shapes in eight-dimensional projective space, but there are certainly minds, in the broad sense, capable of doing so. The number of variables determining a mind is so great, and so many of those variables are almost constant for human minds, that it makes perfect sense to speak of “vast” and “tiny” in this context.

    *Bijective, because we want to imagine being able to invert this function, going from a point in a high-dimensional space to a specific, real mind, capable of interacting with the rest of the universe.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Cool spatial metaphor, bro.

    Nathan Cook Reply:

    @ G
    Maps aren’t metaphors, champ. Down here in the world of matter, minds are physical objects with extension. That means they map to points in a state space. Those points can be counted, enumerated – the rest is just book-keeping.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    If you say so, champ.

    Tentative Joiner Reply:

    >What can “tiny” or “vast” even mean in this context?

    The “mind design space” is a space in the mathematical sense. (E.g., if you make the simplifying assumption that any mind can be modeled by a sufficiently large neural network (of N neurons) it can be the space of N×N matrices describing the strength of the connections between the neurons.) What is “tiny” and what is “vast” in this space is determined by a measure on it.

    >LW is retarded.

    Possibly, but this is an example of it being the opposite.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    ‘never ask an electrician how TV works, he can explain’

    you have to find very short way to explain, or soon you will not able to catch one single person who wish listen to you.

    that kind of telegraphing style habituated on LW. if pushed to extreme , then no one will understand anything, including original sourse. try to think a lot about AI and it is not surpising at all that nobody getting it. culmination or punishment will be when supercomputer offers you a mathematical prove in 200 terrabites size (‘Big math’ link). and I was thinking that ‘michael’ posts too long.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “if you make the simplifying assumption that any mind can be modeled by a sufficiently large neural network”

    I don’t. What to do with your metaphor now?

    Tentative Joiner Reply:

    Do you believe minds are purely physical?

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    To be honest I don’t really care, and I’m suspicious of those who spill so many pixels engaging in sophistry about such inconsequential questions.

    Tentative Joiner Reply:

    Then we shouldn’t continue.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    You should instead be asking whether LW should continue.

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  • Abdiel Says:

    Our Marcuse, only better.

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  • michael Says:

    Razib going on about Islamic exceptionalism at Unz says a lot of interesting things but this i thought worth quoting
    “In terms of the historical and religious narrative Islamic Exceptionalism naturally argues that Muslims are the exceptions. I take exception to this. Rather, I think the Western liberal model based on a creedal Protestant church is the exception. In The Impossibility of Religious Freedom, the author, a lawyer, argues that America’s regnant ideology of church-state separation only retains coherence if one posits religion qua religion is fundamentally similar to creedal Protestantism. The authors shows that recent emergence of liturgical and orthopraxic traditions has been causing more issues with accommodatio, as authorities have to pick and choose what they will, or won’t, accommodate. The history of American Roman Catholicism and American Judaism are to a great extent the Protestantization of these religious traditions enforced by a dominant and xenophobic Protestant ascendancy in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Now with the emergence of multiculturalism and the decline of normative Protestantism religious traditions which take a different view of the essence of what religion is are now beginning to flourish and multiply.”

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  • SVErshov Says:

    The Bitcoin ecosystem (graphic).

    btc-e.com exchange not presented. it is russian exchange which was operating when non of others existed in wildest dreams of their respective creators. it is oldest and only one which never been hacked (as per my knowledge).

    another exchange cex.io who first began trading mining power GHS also not presented. cex.io also in operation since 2013, when only bitstamp existed. it is good place to buy bitcoins with credit cards.

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  • michael Says:

    “Setting aside debate about whether the rise of Nazism was built into the German DNA,”

    The NYTs gets HBD

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  • michael Says:

    The Red wolf and for that matter the Spotted Owls and White Hispanics Just more liberal selective understanding.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    Accidentally creating a mind is about as likely as a tornado assembling a 747. We don’t find minds buried in random mountains. But yes, it would be wise to give it rights, if it’s a full moral agent.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Rights don’t real.

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  • cyborg_nomade Says:

    possible link for a future patch

    http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2016/06/book-on-confucian-libertarianism-published/

    left libertarianism goes to China?

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Left libertarians appropriating the philosopher of hierarchy and ritual.

    Their audacity truly knows no bounds.

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    cyborg_nomade Reply:

    if bounds were known to them, they wouldn’t be *left* libertarians XD

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Jungian psychiatry has attempted to appropriate him too –

    “In spite of the public image of Confucius as an advocate of a sort of Victorian propriety, he was one of the great revolutionaries of history, championing a new concept of democracy, a principle that possessed a mystique comparable that of the Tao among the Quietists. The virtue (force) called Jen, usually misleadingly translated as “supreme virtue,” actually means human-hearted compassion or loving caring. Under its influence, the society would function as one great family in which all men would be brothers; this was the origin of “brotherly love.” When asked about perfect knowledge, Confucius said it was “to know all men,” and about perfect virtue he said it was “to love all men.” He also originated the concept of the Golden Rule, and of the equality of all men, including even the “barbarians,” an idea too preposterous to be accepted at the time.
    A century later, Mencius, the foremost follower of Confucius, taught that selflessness can lead one to an identification of the self with the universe, so that one can realize that the myriad things of the cosmos are all within us. By such spiritual cultivation, all men are capable of becoming sage kings like the great exemplars of the kingship, Yao and Shun.”

    – from a 1985 essay by the Jungian psychiatrist John W. Parry.

    So who knew Confucius was a hippy?

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  • Alan J. Perrick Says:

    A lot of people like the novelty of M.C.’s Eastern Church… I, therefore, wonder when individuals will start to out-edge each other and thusly jump whole-heartedly into the religion of Mahomet…

    A.J.P.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Kek is greater.

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  • frank Says:

    Theorems for a price.

    From 1994

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  • SVErshov Says:

    Cross-cultural smiles. 

    ‘Whenever I or my friends were having our photos taken, we were told to say “cheese” and smile. But if my parents also happened to be in the photo, they were stone-faced.’

    in Russian culture, even if you very happy to see some one, you should never smile first. because he will read it as you are crouching, looking for dependence. it is not a rule in the same degree everywhere, but in rural areas 100%.

    there is some deep justification for such kind of behavior, which I do not quite comprehend. but according to my observation of MMA fights, fighter who smile before fight never win.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “there is some deep justification for such kind of behavior, which I do not quite comprehend.”

    I don’t have a complete explanation, but I suspect it’s to do with smiling indicating appeasement, and that appeasement probably arouses contempt in the Russian heart.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    yes, in some dergee definitely. also I noticed that immigrant’s societies, usually do not have such cultural restriction on smile. shorter history, less lies encapsulated in historical identity maybe. new commers from more ‘opionated’ countries usually read it as, – people here are so friendly, while it is not necessery true.

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  • Outliers (#9) Says:

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