Chaos Patch (#20)

(Weekly open thread.)

Alexander Dugin has an unmatched ability to throw me into a thede-spasm. When he talks about the Atlantean enemies of his people, it’s absolutely impossible for me not to recognize them as my folks. He’s like the Hyperborean double of Walter Russell Mead in that way.

In that vein, I was musing about a death-bed thede-moment competition. Which three books do you have at your bedside to provide ideal thede-coloration to your final moments? (In the old English radio program Desert Island Discs, The Bible and Complete Shakespeare were thrown in for free. Make that the KJV bible, and it seems to me an obvious part of the Anglo-thede core — so the Outside in show will provide them too.) My selection: Paradise Lost; The Wealth of Nations; and An Essay on the Principle of Population. Those are the works to take a nuke from Dugin for.

More enemies.

Tyler Cowan: Why I am not a Neocameralist.

Keith Preston: Why I am an anarcho-pluralist.

Despising democracy goes mainstream.

Mark Ames unleashed — here and here. Why oh why is he being so nasty to us? When Russian girls say “no“.

Heartiste has an ethno-nationalist-friendly post on IQ fetishism that’s definitely worth checking out for controversy material. Jason Malloy’s mega-project. Where next for the genetics of intelligence? The trend to assortative mating is going to be hard to contain. Also, the sex-war in the genome is a topic meriting a lot more dark-side attention.

The great marshmallow experiment. (This is a subject I want to delve into later in the year.)

A descent into the crypts of suspension.

If you want to economically rape everyone associated with me, without mercy, the Nazi-Bolsheviks are there to help.

ADDED: Have to pass on a (double link) masterpiece of radical race-edginess via Brett Stevens. (You thought this couldn’t get any weirder, right?)

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  • Antisthenes Says:

    I was going to send an email, but seeing as you linked to the NazBol page I might as well ask – who was responsible for spiriting away Professor Barker and ensuring that, across the net, reference to him and his work at Kingsport is, virtually, restricted to that interview?

    (assuming that D. C. wasn’t a literary invention for some purpose that has gone far over my head)

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    Antisthenes Reply:

    btw, my desert island thedening literature consists of Harrison Bergeron, Harrison Bergeron, and Harrison Bergeron.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    “The typically great space is Europlave race cree, unification of USA, Canada and Mexica or united Latin America, Greater China, Greater India and in our case Eurasia.” (The Long Path: An Interview With Alexander Dugin)

    The omission of Africa is significant.

    Somewhere on the interweb, it speaks of homo neanderthalis as being a slave race, created by Atlantean ‘gods’/aliens, with a prediliction for technology, materialism & a lust for power, like their creators. Given that some Afrocentric HBDers, as it were, identify homo neanderthalis with Europeans, or ‘white people’, generally, an interesting connection occurs.
    Given that Lemuria is seen as ‘spiritual’, peaceful & identified with Asia, as well as being forced into war by Atlantis, there are interesting resonances.

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  • Chris B Says:

    Duggin gives me a headache.

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  • VXXC Says:

    ““I don’t know, the Gap is too ironic at so many fucking levels,” he said.” – Ames

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  • Lesser Bull Says:

    The Declaration of Independence. It doesn’t jibe so well with a lot of NRx ideological projects, but its probably one of the fundamental texts of the Anglo thede. Probably better than Magna Carta, though they both have the same two fundamental characteristics: seeing plural sources of power as desirable and legalism/contractualism (which is essentially an attempt to remake as many spheres of life into commercial terms as possible).

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  • Muad'Dib Says:

    A thought has occurred to me regarding the dysgenics-declining reaction times-“The average Victorian was an Übermensch compared to the lowly Modern” question.
    All over the West for the last few centuries, medical museums have been collecting and storing human tissue specimens in great numbers. Could this resource be genetically surveyed to shed light on any decline?

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  • Chaos Patch (#20) | Reaction Times Says:

    […] Source: Outside In […]

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  • Akaky Akakievich Says:

    ‘A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media.’

    Ha ha!

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    Akaky Akakievich Reply:

    ‘Presented for the Instruction and Amusement of Discerning Citizens by a Person of Quality.’

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    Akaky Akakievich Reply:

    ‘A roomful of white people will organically form a particular social dynamic that is quite different than that formed by a roomful of black people, even controlling for IQ. Anyone who isn’t a liar and has not spent a lifetime in a cave knows this intuitively.’

    Weak.

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    admin Reply:

    “The acidic spite and nursed lifelong hatred waft like a cloud of smog from a Shanghai knock-off factory.”

    Michael Reply:

    perhaps a weak argument but true never the less in fact his whole essay is the HBD basis which is the only foundation NRX has

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  • Aeroguy Says:

    Dugin was worth watching. I was struck by the talk of the American liberal 5th column in Russia, since growing up conservative I was mentally saturated with the exact mirror image (though liberalism is of course an invention of the west). The similarity is startling though. I’m not sure how I feel about how he seems to portray liberalism as part of western civilization’s inimical identity (Russia’s rejection of liberalism being a source of national exceptionalism), as if my views are doomed to never be more than opposition to the tradition of western civilization. His talk about universalism being western and how it’s a wellspring of racism was provoking. He basically criticized our habit of creating rulers and measuring everything against it. My ruler of choice to the exclusion of others is mental complexity/intelligence, challenges issued against this viewpoint are scaling up in difficulty. However eugenics as a concept requires the identification of a good to be optimized. I would really like to see them quantize the benefits of national identity, so a weight can be assigned to it (because I’m an engineer and Gnon smiles on our efforts to optimize everything).

    There seems to be a rock paper scissors relationship between tribalism, cooperatives, and psychopaths. Psychopathy and where we stand with it deserves more attention. The knee jerk reaction is elimination of psychopaths, but given our attachment to hierarchy, psychopaths are to leadership what aspies are to engineering. Gnon seems to like them, this can’t be ignored. So to break from my ruler, perhaps in a society of engineered life, psychopaths are used in leadership positions but are made deliberately dumber and forced to rely on more intelligent advisers (looks too much like separation of power, but the psychopath question needs answering). Further this makes the concept of nobility not seem singular. What’s a noble car? A fast car, a safe car, a luxurious car, quick acceleration, torque. Optimization always comes with choices and weighting what you want to accomplish.

    Dugin causes enormous cognitive dissidence for me relating to my growing up with the view of Russia as Soviet. Dugin is completely different, I’m very curious how our ethnonationalists perceive him, there’s got to be things they nitpick.

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    Zerg Reply:

    I don’t understand the rules for application of the “psychopath” label. Is the label supposed to apply only to cheaters, or to all manipulators? Certainly cruelty is not a necessary feature, although when people hear “psychopath” they feel a revulsion that draws upon the association with cruelty. Wouldn’t a cheating manipulator have a harder time accumulating followers than a rule-following or mostly rule-following manipulator? People just don’t like cheaters; they do like rule-following manipulators, though. But are rule-following manipulators appropriately called “psychopaths”? Also, doesn’t it matter what the manipulator’s idea of success is? Alexander didn’t just want to dominate everyone; he wanted to be splendid, godlike. Napoleon wanted to be like Alexander. St. Francis, Gandhi, the Lubavitcher Rebbe ….

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    I see psychopathy on a sliding scale like how we’ve taken to defining autism. In fiction think Frank Underwood, or actually most anyone on that show really. Manipulation is exactly what I’m getting at, leadership is nothing more than manipulation for a good cause. Being able to lead people implicitly means the power to manipulate people for your own ends. Psychopaths know how to play the game, they play the game so well that they are able to write the rules for local players. Overcoming the goals of psychopaths is the objective itself, many are on hedonic treadmills, often valuing power for its own sake. The thing is, a psychopath that steps off the treadmill won’t be as sharp as one still on it, it would be like giving Edger Allan Poe happy pills, you’ve helped the person but destroyed what they were good for. I want to exploit the exploiters (I’ve been caught by a recursive loop, I need to refine this idea). I suppose it’s really the monkey politics that I hate most, being trapped under monkey politics by psychopaths blind to the existence of anything greater than themselves. Psychopaths are Cthulhu’s daemons, like the Greek sirens. All the promise and danger of a meme, and like using memes, we must take advantage of the meme, not let the meme take advantage of us.

    (I apologize for my habit of writing what I think as I think it rather than making a coherent presentation)

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    Zerg Reply:

    Exploiting the exploiters — I guess that’s the way the Medieval Church saw its relationship with the feudal nobility. You need to make the “natural leaders” see success in the application of your wise program as the standard for their own personal success. That might require a critical mass of non-psychopathic wise natural leaders who establish the game-structure within which the normal psychopaths operate. People such as Diocletian and Alfred?

    Kgaard Reply:

    The Dugin thing was phenomenal. Fantastic debate. Great to see two top-notch Russians go at it on political philosophy. How often do we ever see that in the west? Never?

    I didn’t see the same level of straight anti-west animosity that others seem to have picked up. Dugin says that when he goes to western Europe, people basically come up to him and say, “Save us!!”

    He acknowledges that there are defined boundaries to the Russian world and is fairly precise about them (i.e. Eastern Ukraine is included but Western Ukraine probably is not). His goal here is to define Russia as a civilization distinct from the Asians or Indians or Western Europeans. He doesn’t say Russians are BETTER. Just different.

    So overall I think his philosophy is very useful even for non-Russians. His challenge is to the global left and to the international hegemonic elites, not to non-Russians per se. If you’re not an ENEMY of Russia, and if you’re okay with the whole Russian project, then I don’t think he’d have a problem with you.

    The whole thing made me want to move to Moscow and sign up for a graduate philosophy program at Moscow State. Seems like that’s one place where this kind of thinking will be tolerated.

    I will say the Franz Boas reference was odd. But it was consistent with Dugin’s sense of Christian humility.

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  • Kgaard Says:

    I’d say the existentialists are the best manifestation of the modern/postmodern European thede. So for my deathbed book stash I’d do a Walter Kaufmann style compendium from Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Heidegger, Camus, Hemingway, Kerouac and Melville. Could probably cram it all down to two volumes, leaving room for some Evola as the third tome. I recognize Melville had some universalist tendencies, but that’s part of the thede’s make-up, no? And of course that stuff is more than offset by his bringing into existence Ahab …

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  • Kgaard Says:

    Oh and I love the whole DNA dating service idea. I wrote a comment in response to Anarcho-Papist’s latest piece about the increasing instance of agonized romantic break-up in the modern world. I think it can be traced in part to the increased incidence of people dating others who are not REALLY similar to themselves — even though they seem similar on the surface. In the old days we would have grown up with people much more similar DNA-wise, making for better and more durable matches. HBD Chick’s latest piece about differing allele manifestations among whites and Asians is a great case in point as to how differing DNA leads to differing social manifestations at the most fundamental level …

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  • Alrenous Says:

    Assuming anarchy, there’s nobody who can enforce non-pluralism. It’s kind of the point to strip such people and institutions of all legitimacy.

    What are we to make of this? That human beings value security, order, sustenance, prosperity, collective identity, tribal values […] much more frequently and on a deeper level than they value liberty.

    This is why anarchist != anti-hierarchy, and the exact reason that anarchy != anti-order. Given liberty, most will immediately choose a leader to place over themselves. Indeed it’s yet another way of seeing the point of anarchy: a pluralism of not only leaders, but kinds of leaders. Religious, secular, commercial, whatever floats your boat. You can even sign up for a democracy if you want, I just think Gnon will punish such foolishness.

    Imagine if a third force emerged in U.S. politics whose only unifying principle was a common desire to remove one’s self and one’s community from the system.

    It’s very illegal.

    My challenge to anarchists, libertarians, communitarians, conservatives, radicals and progressives alike would be to ask yourself what kind of community you would actually want to live in, and where and how you would go about obtaining it.

    It’s tiresome that anyone thinks I haven’t asked myself that.

    My ideal community is also very illegal. The only way to obtain it in any kind of reasonable timeframe is violent revolution, and I’m morally opposed to violent revolution.

    The only thing anyone has to give up is the desire to tell other communities what to do.

    This is also tiresome.

    You don’t get to praise China and then turn around and deprecate the desire to tell others what to do.

    “My tribe is best,” automatically implies “You should join/submit to my tribe.” This is well within the inferential eyeshot of most.

    Anti-universalizing is always about anti-philosophy norms, since philosophy is the source for sacralizing the universalization. Only, to purge yourself of the desire to be authoritarian outside your thede you must absorb advanced philosophy. Can’t have it both ways, Preston.

    The zeroth commandment is don’t tell your neighbour what to do. Of course you’re going to covet his possessions and desire his wife, and you’re going to covet his obedience as well. Acting on the first is theft, the second adultery, and the final is coercion.

    Moreover, to tell someone what to do even within your thede you must be a duly appointed authority. Most don’t even respect that, which is a large part of why being a leader is such a pain in the ass; constant trespass on your authority by dumbasses clearly unfit for authority, which have to be smacked down, your less-self-immolating followers expect it and get antsy if you let Gnon handle it.

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  • fotrkd Says:

    Have you visited xenosystems.com recently? Clearly instructive.

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    admin Reply:

    It’s for sale?

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    fotrkd Reply:

    “[M]ay be” for sale. I was more interested in the Ukrainian wives, but they’ve disappeared on last visit (possibly personalised). Set all that aside, it exists and didn’t until recently (progress). Anyway, you should’ve been asleep, and me sun-lounging… think I’m done btw (need to drift… and reflect on some stuff … plus – sadly – earn a crust). It’s been unprecedentedly, terrifyingly Inglorious so a ‘final’ thanks is in order (that link might need some work).

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  • Chris B Says:

    The nazi stuff is hilarious. I’ve seen so much stuff like that. Like Iran only becaming Iran in sort of homage to the Nazis (Iran = Aryan). One that struck me was the whole furor around the holocaust and the Eichman/ Arendt thing. You are left wondering exactly what is going on – http://www.dissentmagazine.org/wp-content/files_mf/1390334198d9Ezra.pdf

    Personally I can approach the matter in a neutral way, as I really don’t care about the holocaust either way.

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    Chris B Reply:

    “Since we are dealing in politics of men, and not with heroes or saints, it is this policy of
    ‘non-participation’… that is decisive if we begin to judge, not the system, but
    the individual, his choices and arguments.” – especially apt in light of NRx exit, and the acknowledgment that totalitarianism is a fruit of democracy.

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  • Chris B Says:

    @Then of course we have this bizareness (page 146).

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  • Bryce Laliberte Says:

    Cowen is a sophist. We already have an implicitly shareholder republic by any realistic evaluation of the USG.

    Quick, look, a racist!

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  • Bryce Laliberte Says:

    While we’re in an open thread, I think we need to talk about slavery more. I would start by pointing out how anyone who is a citizen of a state is, in a limited sense, a slave; the extrapolation (depolation?) downwards is harder to block out by the usual doublethink filters.

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    Hurlock Reply:

    I think we need a proper definition of slavery before talking about it.

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    admin Reply:

    Is noblesse oblige already within the orbit of the master-slave relation? (I’d argue: yes.)

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  • chris b Says:

    @if you are going to try and bring back slavery, make sure you neuter them all this time. #evil

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    Bryce Laliberte Reply:

    If the master has a few female slaves to himself and prohibits the males from reproducing…

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    Puzzle Privateer Reply:

    I am not putting my dick in a black woman. That’s just disgusting.

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    Chris B Reply:

    1) who said the slaves had to be black
    and
    2) You failed to discount black men.

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  • Akaky Akakievich Says:

    Steve Sailer on Linklater’s ‘Boyhood’:

    ‘But, over time, hereditary IQ wins out.’

    ‘Linklater is a year or two younger than me, and with my having gone to Rice U. in Houston in the 1970s, I very much recognized his characters as people I knew in Texas 35 years ago from the state’s bohemian 3-digit IQ set.’

    Arf!

    Quite looking forward to reading some more reduced-IQ-IQ-reductionist jackass stunt-reviews from Mr Steve-O, I must say.

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  • Ghostlike Says:

    Heartiste’s post made me step back a little. I am one of the people who argued that 100 IQ blacks would be whites and one of my principles is that whenever someone says something that directly contradicts my position is to look into it deeper. Two things come to mind.

    1) If Heartiste really is correct in his assertion then it should be easy to prove through actual data. I’ve heard it in passing that when controlling for IQ people of different ethnic groups have the same crime and marriage/divorce rates. I’ve taken that view because it made sense at the time, but now it occurs to me now that I will have to look for actual sources behind that statement. I would appreciate it if anybody cared to enlighten me (his post was disappointing in that regard.)

    2) The bigger picture view behind my position is more sinister and yet well intentioned, made specifically in order to break the dysgenic cycle. Quite simply, even if Heartiste is correct that even controlling for IQ various groups are not the same then that does not really matter as genetic engineering techniques will work based on models of high IQ individuals. In the future, couples of all IQ levels when they go to a fertility clinic will be getting recommendation regarding which genes their baby should have. Who will control the genetic models and from which races do high IQ individuals come from currently? It won’t be from poor people at any rate.

    When I imagine the effects of genetic engineering, such a future looks like the one of wholesale race replacement and convergence to the top.

    In my mind, I can imagine whole Africa turning ‘white’ (the color of the skin excepted) before they go to greater heights.

    This view is not what I think will happen (I expect the Singularity in the late 20s) or even the preferable scenario to me, but the genetic engineering scenario in my mind does undermine the enthno-nationalist position solidly using their own arguments. I can just imagine enthno-nationalists calling me a leftist, and the leftists calling me a racist though.

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    Hurlock Reply:

    Heartiste actually does not successfully argue against the claim that “A 90-IQ white is a lot more like a 90-IQ black than he or she is like a 115-IQ white.”

    He says that a 90-IQ white cannot be confused with a 90-IQ black, but that is a completely different subject. He is shifting the topic, by twisting the original claim.
    The original claim was that comparatively a 90-IQ white will have more in common with a 90-IQ black than with a 115-IQ white. This is a different claim from “there is no difference between a 90-IQ white and a 90-IQ black” to which Heartiste is responding. That’s a strawman.
    (Also, notice how Heartiste doesn’t attack the second claim, about mestizos and whites)

    Of course a 90-IQ white is different, very different, from a 90-IQ black. The question is whether the difference between him and the 90-IQ black bigger or smaller, than the difference between him and a 115-IQ white?
    From the knowledge I have on the subject and some personal experience I think that the difference between a 90-IQ white and a 90-IQ black is comparatively smaller than the difference between a 90-IQ white and a 115-IQ white. And also that a 115-IQ black is closer to a 115-IQ white than a 90-IQ white.
    This is pure horror to nationalists and if it turns out to be true they will deny it in any way possible because it basically destroys their whole worldview.

    (Not that I care, nationalism is a mob ideology of leftist origins anyways…)

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Which expert on IQ, or IQ test creator, has ever innovated in any other field, arts, sciences, anything?
    It’s interesting that human beings, these days, so often have to compare themselves to the animal kingdom, to their own advantage, & in order to indirectly increase their pathetic ‘self-esteem’. They’ve lost the ‘outward bound’ sense of expansionary development that once existed. All this Neoreactionary piddling over IQ is of the same ilk: the homesteading of a basic, ignorant, & mediocre banality.
    Or is it that all the commenters have 160+ IQs?

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    Hurlock Reply:

    It is the high IQ people that do all those innovations.

    That’s why we are piddling over IQ.

    Puzzle Privateer Reply:

    “Which expert on IQ, or IQ test creator, has ever innovated in any other field, arts, sciences, anything?”

    Sir Francis Galton

    Michael Reply:

    well i was not brought up racist and still have many friends of all races my IQ is 130 but due to vagaries i ended in construction where AA has made the majority black Hispanic and the minority legacy whites. I also live in an 90% gentrifying Brooklyn neighborhood and grew up in a 90% PR hood.growing up i became a natural race realist but not a hater.exposure to blacks in concentrate was an awakening.But being a ghetto kid and yet from a wealthy white family -again vagaries, i have unique exposure to all , blacks are much different some high IQ blacks brought up in suburbs we all are comfortable with and the swpl think of these when they imagine blacks and race issues Its the class thing that makes them cringe about proles and they glamor blacks but never really have to endure themin short heartiste said it true if you doubt this you dont know whereof.
    the thing of multi IQ stste is neg reversion the thing of ethno is positive elite reversion but prole numbers thr thing of nrx its stalled. because its got no plan and nothing is possible

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  • Erik Says:

    http://funki.com.ua/ru/portfolio/lab/world-religions-tree/

    Tree of religions, which I find much better than the one posted here earlier. Still bad in showing very little cross-pollination.

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    admin Reply:

    Can see why you like it — even though from a design perspective it leaves much to be desired (given that it’s impossible to take in the general structure at a level of resolution that’s legible). Interesting that the tree-structure is deliberately designed to make it a pure — and overt — cladogram. (So extremely Moldbug-consistent in that way.)

    What do you think are the major historical examples of significant religious syncretism (rhizomatism)? Vodun is an obvious one. I’m wondering whether cladistic order (divergent development) does in fact dominate in religious history, perhaps to a greater extent than philosophical principle might lead us to expect.

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    Erik Reply:

    I’d say the Greco-Roman pantheon is the big one – it’s hard to tell where one ends and the other begins. Hephaistos and Vulcan are practically identical. Ares is the nasty side of war accompanied by Phobos and Deimos, but Mars is the strong side of war with the aspect Silvanus (forest, agriculture). Mercury is more mercantile than Hermes, but both are clever travellers, traders and messenger. Artemis and Diana are women of the hunt. Heracles didn’t even have a different name among the Romans, just a Latinized one.

    Where the Greeks and Romans were fond of unifyingly identifying their respective gods (“your all-ruling Zeus must be the same as our all-ruling Jupiter!”), the Norse instead appear to have adopted another faction of gods, multiplying their total number. The Aesir seem to have been the original Germanic group, who were later joined by the Vanir of potentially Indo-Iranian origin by way of Russia, and I think one can still sense different flavors about them.
    Wise Odin One-Eye, bearer of the spear Gungne; mighty Thor the Thunderer, defender of mankind against monsters, wielding the hammer Mjølne; and Tyr, god of law and war and bravery, are all Aesir.
    Whereas the Vanir seem gentler: Frøy, fertility god of holiness and rulership, harkens back to the Brahmins, and his symbols are a boar and a ship. His sister Frøya is beautiful and weeps tears of gold over her losses and watches over women’s pregnancies. Njord is the good god of the sea: not its personification, but its minder. One prays to Njord for catches of fish, good weather, speedy winds, luck on the hunt, and fortunate miscellanea.
    Thor dresses up as a woman and pretends he’s going to marry a giant as a ruse to get his hammer back; Njord participates in a “judge who has the nicest feet” contest and ends up married to the giantess who picks him.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    @

    I asked about “expert[s] on IQ, or IQ test creator[s]”.
    Granted, that IQ is a metric that can indicate basic levels of culture-specific competence or performance, & thus is of value. But its fetishisation only points to an essential inferiority.

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    Hurlock Reply:

    Who is making it into a fetish?
    These “don’t fetishize iq arguments” are not even proper arguments. They are always used when someone doesn’t agree with the conclusions drawn on the basis of some IQ data in order to change the subject.
    What does “fetishizing iq” even mean? Strikes me as a pretty empty combination of words, employed as a rhetorical tool to discredit anyone who talks about IQ.

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    Akaky Akakievich Reply:

    See the recent Steve Sailer review of the new Richard Linklater film – Super Steve-O is clearly an IQ fetishist.

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    admin Reply:

    @ Hurlock. Exactly.

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    Akaky Akakievich Reply:

    Odd that someone who has only just posted the following entirely speculative comment cannot grasp the meaning of fetishising IQ:

    “Of course a 90-IQ white is different, very different, from a 90-IQ black. The question is whether the difference between him and the 90-IQ black bigger or smaller, than the difference between him and a 115-IQ white? From the knowledge I have on the subject and some personal experience I think that the difference between a 90-IQ white and a 90-IQ black is comparatively smaller than the difference between a 90-IQ white and a 115-IQ white. And also that a 115-IQ black is closer to a 115-IQ white than a 90-IQ white.”

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    “These “don’t fetishize iq arguments””
    Where is “don’t” in this: “But its fetishisation only points to an essential inferiority”?

    “some IQ data in order to change the subject.”
    Didn’t refer to any data.

    “What does “fetishizing iq” even mean?”
    Look it up in a dictionary.

    “to discredit anyone who talks about IQ.”
    So you think I’m discrediting myself?

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    Hurlock Reply:

    Ok, now I know for sure I am wasting my time.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    “Which expert on IQ, or IQ test creator, has ever innovated in any other field, arts, sciences, anything?”
    Unanwered question. Implicit supposition: that these architects of ‘IQ’ are inferior, that they are able to quantify banal & obvious features only, thus, that their ability to enhance conditions of actual innovation are limited: all they can supply is a systematics of the banal.

    As to ethnic distributions of IQ, any conclusion based on an inadequate frame of interpretation, one that excludes relevant factors, is going to be inaccurate. Of course there are differences, so what? There are countless reasons for that. I think NeoReaction’s so-called “conclusions” are unsound, essentially distorted.

    I don’t rhetoricise, just saying what I think. I’m a bit grumpy, it’s hot & humid.

    And yes, perhaps you are all wasting your time, circulating around an economics of resentment? But I guess you do it because of ‘Left Wing’ resentment, a merry dance which never leads to any understanding.

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    Hurlock Reply:

    “Which expert on X has ever innovated in any other field besides X?”
    It’s called division of labor, look it up.

    Puzzle Privateer Reply:

    “Which expert on IQ, or IQ test creator, has ever innovated in any other field, arts, sciences, anything?”

    Sir Francis Galton

    Posted on July 28th, 2014 at 2:48 pm Reply | Quote
  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    ““Which expert on X has ever innovated in any other field besides X?”
    It’s called division of labor, look it up.”

    The study of intelllgence is not an autonomous discipline, I guess it’ll be under Psychology or whatever. So the researcher is not going to be an IQist, lol. Their “division of labour” is going to be disciplinary, any recognition they receive will be in accord with such a discipline. I’m just not aware of any great contribution to such a discipline that involves IQ.

    Another thing, fragmentation doesn’t promote holistic understanding.

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    Hurlock Reply:

    Yes, it’s part of psychology. But also overlaps with biology. It is quite inter-disciplinary in fact.
    Now, let me get this straight.
    Your complaint is that an expert in IQ only contributes to the specific field that he is an expert in (IQ) and doesn’t contribute to fields in which he is not an expert in? (arts, music, other sciences)
    (Am I still wasting my time?)

    I’d say that the creation of the concept of IQ itself is a pretty serious contribution both to psychology and biology.
    And further serious developments and refinements of that concept are pretty important too.

    Specialization helps with precision and better in-depth understanding of a single subject.
    (Division of labor boosts overall productivity)

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    A recognised contribution to whichever discipline that IQ research is a sub-division of, e.g., an advance in Psychology, Cognitive Science, Neurocomputation, etc..

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    Antisthenes Reply:

    If IQ is so important, why aren’t you Jewish yet? (checkmate athiests)

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    Alex Reply:

    I wonder how Locke, Franklin or Marx would have fared in an IQ test, not to mention numerous lesser Cathedral-builders.

    (I remember our host once unfavourably compared the crudities of Abrahamic monotheism to the sophistication and subtlety of Taoism. As I recall, he put the difference down to superior Chinese IQ. But aren’t Jews supposed to have even higher IQs than Chinese?)

    Antisthenes Reply:

    When it’s only my outlandishly trollish posts that get replies, I understand why those like Akaky Akakievich exist.

    Alex Reply:

    “¡Muera la inteligencia!”

    Aeroguy Reply:

    Antisthenes

    “When it’s only my outlandishly trollish posts that get replies, I understand why those like Akaky Akakievich exist.”

    I sympathize, it might have to do with being filthy non-bloggers who don’t even participate in Cthulhu’s conversation shredder known as twitter (seriously its the social tech equivalent of an information sippy cup). I’ve taken to posting for my own benefit, a way to collect and refine my thoughts, outcome independent. But yeah, we’re the lowly chattering class unworthy of the attention of our betters unless we act out, what’s the point of NRx if there’s not a hierarchy.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    There doesn’t seem to be any advance, say, on the level of Chomsky in linguistics & his generative or universal grammar?

    “the creation of the concept of IQ itself is a pretty serious contribution”

    The concept of intelligence is ancient, standards of formal measurement perhaps less so. A hard-nosed Anglo-type might say, sarcastically, the creation of BSQ is in itself an important contribution. But s/he would be wrong, not everything has to have immediate utility to have value. If IQ-chat gives a boost to ailing egos, it can’t be a bad thing, can it? E.g. Could disingenuous & ‘stalling’ interpretation be an index of IQ under-performance? If so, is this innate or due to the “dumbing down” of society?

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    Antisthenes Reply:

    Chomsky really isn’t all he’s cracked up to be.

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  • nydwracu Says:

    Your books have been floating around the internet in PDF form for a while now. Most books are, these days.

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    admin Reply:

    Yes, indeed. The Internet is a harsh jungle for writers, but the opportunities outweigh the mosquito-cloud blood-loss.

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    nydwracu Reply:

    Dammit, it ate my astral-planed stuff. I guess I can’t protect minor infohazards with Deseret script.

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  • scientism Says:

    It’s interesting just to watch the interviewer in the Dugin video. He talks just like a Western liberal, uses the same facile arguments about gay rights as a Western liberal (including feigned anger that anyone would ever care about anything that isn’t causing them immediate harm), even has the same pained facial expression as a Western liberal when he tries to process one of Dugin’s hate thoughts. He has the whole act down. Dugin’s point that liberals in Russia represent a 5th column is made well by the man sitting across from him reciting the Declaration of Independence from memory. It’s almost comical.

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    Izak Reply:

    Shortly after the Pussy Riot incident, Dugin did an interview where he exclaimed, “If these girls hadn’t done this, Vladimir Posner would have put some pany hose on his head and done it himself!”

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  • Chris B Says:

    @areoguy
    “what’s the point of NRx if there’s not a hierarchy”
    We need a streetfight 2 turbo tournament to the death (virtual) among NRx followed by a coronation.
    Anything post streetfighter 2 trubo would prob be unacceptable to the trad Nrx wing. http://coolrom.co.uk/roms/snes/997/Street_Fighter_II_Turbo_-_Hyper_Fighting.php

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    @Puzzle Privateer

    Thanks. Good answer. Why didn’t anyone say before? Of course, I’ve heard of him, but didn’t really know anything about him.

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  • JPOutlook Says:

    Prof. Dugin has the same effect on me…

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  • Brooks Says:

    “I was also reading the precious books of Gershom Scholem, whom I consider to be the greatest traditionalist thinker.” – Alexander Dugin

    That tells you most of what you need to know about Dugin with respect to thedishness.

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  • Rasputin Says:

    I wondered if anyone around these parts had any thoughts concerning the speculation that Satoshi Nakamoto is in fact Nick Szabo?

    https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/

    https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/occams-razor-who-is-most-likely-to-be-satoshi-nakamoto/

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    admin Reply:

    Andrea Castillo argues ‘no’ (I believe) based on some evidence I’ll try to hunt down. I normally take her very seriously on Bitcoin-related questions, but in this case I don’t think she can be right. The Szabo-is-Satoshi evidence is just too compelling.

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    Rasputin Reply:

    Thanks, I would be very interested to read it.

    Had you posted about the Szabo-is-Satoshi theory already? I’ve arrived at this very late, but it’s quite fascinating stuff. It also leads me to speculate on CY’s motivations behind his Urbit project; after all the two clearly have several overlapping areas of competition going (for instance Neocameralism vs Juristopia), and if Szabo IS Satoshi he must have made out like a bandit not a thief, making millions (potentially billions) while enduring a real world influence and legacy potentially as important as anyone this century. Faced with that no wonder CY has been too busy with code for regular updates…

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    admin Reply:

    I’m reluctantly to get involved for as long as some tattered camouflage remains, for fear of doing police work (of however pitiful a variety) on behalf of those I don’t like. As soon as the matter is settled, I will descend upon it like a hawk.

    I’m entirely in concurrence with your sense of what this would mean.

    Posted on August 1st, 2014 at 3:42 pm Reply | Quote
  • First Off, I Was Wrong | Clown Town Says:

    […] left with lots of questions, to be sure. For example, Land aligns himself with the Atlanteans, but I don’t feel like I quite understand what this means to him. I […]

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  • Alrenous Says:

    I finally got around to the Dugin interview. I’m at 42:00 now.

    Thede-spasm? Broken out in hives? I rather like him, at least according to what he says in this interview. (He might be motte-bailing like mad.) He wants Russians to win in conflicts with America. He thinks Russians who take American aid and comfort and use it against Russia should be treated as traitors. I find these things very forgivable given he’s a Russian. Further, he’s not strictly a philosopher, but some sort of Russian style of intellectual, so I find his philosophical failings similarly unimportant.

    By contrast, Posner was revealed as a revolting revenant of a man. Sophistry and narcissism. Narcissistry and Sophism. Christ, let the man speak! He didn’t force is way onto the set, you invited him! Of course, it’s not that surprising, since he voluntarily took a job in showbiz. (Read as; ‘voluntarily stuck his hand in a wood-chipper.’ Or perhaps his brain.)

    It’s downright pleasant to have a enemy who isn’t trying to convince me to lay down and die for my own good. Annihilation! Open calls for censorship! Fantastic. When asked to name names, Dugin in fact named names.

    With an enemy like Dugin, there’s clear victory and defeat conditions. Once defeated, he’s safe, as he will honourably admit defeat and abide by the terms.

    An enemy like Posner is a zombie. The infection must be cleansed with a scorched earth policy. Anyone even mildly suspected of having been exposed must be treated as an active combatant. The only peace possible is the Roman kind. This involvement of the innocent is exactly why zombies should never be granted quarter. Every activist should be treated as if they’re proposing mass murder, because that is what it will take to save anything good from them. Or: when someone proposes total war, the rational, proportionate response is to immediately declare total war on them.

    Thinking about how zombies can’t be reasoned with, I suspect enemies like Dugin are a problem for anti-appeasement theory as well. He can be reasoned with, which means under certain conditions he can be appeased.

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    Kgaard Reply:

    Great points. I had the same response to Dugin. Liked him right out of the box. I see he is an Evola fan, which may help explain it. I hope the next US president takes a more circumspect approach to dealing with Russia, though I am not overwhelmingly hopeful. I see Romney is toying with running in ’16 now. He has positioned himself as a hard-liner on Russia. That sells well in flyover country but presumably he himself knows better — though perhaps the Deep State wouldn’t let him get away with an easing-up of Cold War strategies even if he wanted to …

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    admin Reply:

    (I’m in tune with this reaction, too.)

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    Kgaard Reply:

    And, should anyone care, here is a very interesting article from the latest Foreign Affairs entitled, “What the Kremlin is Thinking: Putin’s Vision for Eurasia,” by Alexander Lukin. It is very Dugin-ian in its approach. In addition to geopolitics he makes some interesting points about the religious resurgence across the former FSU and central Asia, involving Orthodox, Muslim and even Buddhism. He argues that these people are a lot more concerned about the next world than this one, and thus agree with Dugin that the west is decadent and would rather side with Russia. Says the pan-Slav trade bloc has been a big success and a lot of FSU states were eager to join it.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141538/alexander-lukin/what-the-kremlin-is-thinking

    I read this at the counter of a new diner that opened at the end of my street. Waitress was a Russian in her 20s. Probably a 6 by Moscow standards but a 12 by suburban DC standards. The aesthetics gap between the FSU and the US cannot be overstated.

    Alrenous Reply:

    @Kgaard

    I care, thanks. You sold it well, too – haven’t heard about the religious angle, interesting.

    I don’t think ‘decadent’ is the right word, though. It just means lazy and indulgent. The west is greedy for evil. The west exults corruption, perversity, and depravity.

    Posted on August 27th, 2014 at 11:12 pm Reply | Quote

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