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		<title>By: RorschachRomanov</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-89985</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The phrase &quot;commercialization of war&quot; inspired me to meander thusly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdJkMPmt6sY]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phrase &#8220;commercialization of war&#8221; inspired me to meander thusly:</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Crassus</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-89262</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Crassus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2014 07:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I discovered recently that nearly all the world&#039;s future population growth is expected to come from sub-saharan Africa, currently doubling every 35 years

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/16/the-amazing-surprising-africa-driven-demographic-future-of-the-earth-in-9-charts/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discovered recently that nearly all the world&#8217;s future population growth is expected to come from sub-saharan Africa, currently doubling every 35 years</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/16/the-amazing-surprising-africa-driven-demographic-future-of-the-earth-in-9-charts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/16/the-amazing-surprising-africa-driven-demographic-future-of-the-earth-in-9-charts/</a></p>
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		<title>By: SanguineEmpiricist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-89085</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 21:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I accidentally replied to the main thread as opposed to you, my response is at the bottom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I accidentally replied to the main thread as opposed to you, my response is at the bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: SanguineEmpiricist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-89078</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 21:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, in fact my goal to complete this was to start such an academy of sorts. However, very few people who currently write in this community have the ability to start such as thing from what I gathered. The &#039;real list&#039; so to speak is going to be much harder than all of what I mentioned. and what is casually mentioned It is also important that the person who does such a thing does not give into too much of the excess of his prejudice. There are many pitfalls on the path &quot;to the front&quot;.

Say, in LW speak, people who never got passed &#039;traditional rationality&#039; in the sense of not getting passed naive falsificationism and the standard science tropes of occams razor, actually represent the majority of this community. However, there are much more. We need to start pushing every one to the front. NRx is not supposed to be a ghetto. However there are many pitfalls on the path towards the front end of knowledge.

Such as holding strong against Cantor&#039;s/Bourbaki&#039;s seduction etc etc.

There needs to be a compilation of a &#039;hard list&#039; that a few of us will try to diligently complete to attempt to become what many of us profess, say.... aristocracy. With  physical fitness goals, so we all have or heads on straight and are actually thinking correctly..

It should also said that if this movement of sorts is going to attempt any chance of success, every one is going to need to hold off on the vehemence. As historically conscious as some people are. Many people have not been exposed to any sort of risk and probably could not handle the pressure they&#039;re asking for.

They don&#039;t know they&#039;re getting themselves into. I love what is possible here, but it seems that many people here are more than willing to post their information publicly, when they have no real idea how to..... &quot;operate&quot;. Right now it&#039;s just a bunch of antsy kids who need to develop stronger security culture/OPSEC and pick up the books. There is no doubt in my mind say, that Land/Moldbug have already been evaluated by some intelligence agency keeping tabs on potential threats. There should be a proper warning to all the kids what they could get themselves into.  However the only people who actually understand how information is gathered and then produced into actionable work for LEO&#039;s are people who&#039;ve had their foot into some type of criminal work.

This is one of the reasons I&#039;m trying to compile the &quot;hard list&quot; + physical requirements, so I can get myself into a proper position to evaluate things. This sort of thing worries me because most of the people here have not been in handcuffs or even a tense altercation never mind if they start to see the results they get when people discover the worst of their vitriol/violence posturing. Too much growth is cancer, especially if it starts to attract too much adversarial attention.

Right now a proper understanding of the &#039;front&#039; of risk management (Embrecht/Taleb/Ayache/Wilmott + Operations from Grugq/insert more) + The complete end game of cognitive science/heuristics and bias, a legitimate front and back understanding of convexity and antifragility and a technical marketable skills so we can get every one going. Even if we don&#039;t get anywhere, at least we look good and are well read. 

This is also why I appreciate curt doolittle at propertarianism, he seems to have his head on straight in all of this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, in fact my goal to complete this was to start such an academy of sorts. However, very few people who currently write in this community have the ability to start such as thing from what I gathered. The &#8216;real list&#8217; so to speak is going to be much harder than all of what I mentioned. and what is casually mentioned It is also important that the person who does such a thing does not give into too much of the excess of his prejudice. There are many pitfalls on the path &#8220;to the front&#8221;.</p>
<p>Say, in LW speak, people who never got passed &#8216;traditional rationality&#8217; in the sense of not getting passed naive falsificationism and the standard science tropes of occams razor, actually represent the majority of this community. However, there are much more. We need to start pushing every one to the front. NRx is not supposed to be a ghetto. However there are many pitfalls on the path towards the front end of knowledge.</p>
<p>Such as holding strong against Cantor&#8217;s/Bourbaki&#8217;s seduction etc etc.</p>
<p>There needs to be a compilation of a &#8216;hard list&#8217; that a few of us will try to diligently complete to attempt to become what many of us profess, say&#8230;. aristocracy. With  physical fitness goals, so we all have or heads on straight and are actually thinking correctly..</p>
<p>It should also said that if this movement of sorts is going to attempt any chance of success, every one is going to need to hold off on the vehemence. As historically conscious as some people are. Many people have not been exposed to any sort of risk and probably could not handle the pressure they&#8217;re asking for.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t know they&#8217;re getting themselves into. I love what is possible here, but it seems that many people here are more than willing to post their information publicly, when they have no real idea how to&#8230;.. &#8220;operate&#8221;. Right now it&#8217;s just a bunch of antsy kids who need to develop stronger security culture/OPSEC and pick up the books. There is no doubt in my mind say, that Land/Moldbug have already been evaluated by some intelligence agency keeping tabs on potential threats. There should be a proper warning to all the kids what they could get themselves into.  However the only people who actually understand how information is gathered and then produced into actionable work for LEO&#8217;s are people who&#8217;ve had their foot into some type of criminal work.</p>
<p>This is one of the reasons I&#8217;m trying to compile the &#8220;hard list&#8221; + physical requirements, so I can get myself into a proper position to evaluate things. This sort of thing worries me because most of the people here have not been in handcuffs or even a tense altercation never mind if they start to see the results they get when people discover the worst of their vitriol/violence posturing. Too much growth is cancer, especially if it starts to attract too much adversarial attention.</p>
<p>Right now a proper understanding of the &#8216;front&#8217; of risk management (Embrecht/Taleb/Ayache/Wilmott + Operations from Grugq/insert more) + The complete end game of cognitive science/heuristics and bias, a legitimate front and back understanding of convexity and antifragility and a technical marketable skills so we can get every one going. Even if we don&#8217;t get anywhere, at least we look good and are well read. </p>
<p>This is also why I appreciate curt doolittle at propertarianism, he seems to have his head on straight in all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: j. ont</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-89035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[j. ont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heartiste has been useful for some things, but I&#039;ve felt for a while that the application of the &quot;Machiavellian&quot; mode to romantic/sexual interactions has run out of new things to say. If it was just Roissy making analytical statements about hypergamy etc. it would be fine, even desirable; but instead we have a swarm of bitter neckbeards championing the &quot;red pill&quot; and patting each other on the back, tons of confirmation bias etc. (not that the basic principles are necessarily false).

What we need now is something like meta-game: someone who can articulate the Machiavellian/Moldbugian logic in a practical, instructive way. How can these ideas—which are largely theoretical, descriptive, of perhaps theoretically practical on a large scale—be mobalized on a smaller scale? How can each individual navigate the cathedral? What are some basic principles to be learned and reiterated? What are some hacks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heartiste has been useful for some things, but I&#8217;ve felt for a while that the application of the &#8220;Machiavellian&#8221; mode to romantic/sexual interactions has run out of new things to say. If it was just Roissy making analytical statements about hypergamy etc. it would be fine, even desirable; but instead we have a swarm of bitter neckbeards championing the &#8220;red pill&#8221; and patting each other on the back, tons of confirmation bias etc. (not that the basic principles are necessarily false).</p>
<p>What we need now is something like meta-game: someone who can articulate the Machiavellian/Moldbugian logic in a practical, instructive way. How can these ideas—which are largely theoretical, descriptive, of perhaps theoretically practical on a large scale—be mobalized on a smaller scale? How can each individual navigate the cathedral? What are some basic principles to be learned and reiterated? What are some hacks?</p>
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		<title>By: Piano</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-88984</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Piano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 17:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@admin

Then should we just use ithkuil for some things? E.g. translate some nrx into it as a thought exercise, and then use it to come up with novel english nrx.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@admin</p>
<p>Then should we just use ithkuil for some things? E.g. translate some nrx into it as a thought exercise, and then use it to come up with novel english nrx.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-88981</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 17:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not well versed in ENR, but Guillaume Faye strikes me as by far the best of the lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not well versed in ENR, but Guillaume Faye strikes me as by far the best of the lot.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-88979</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 17:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New languages are hard. (Incremental semiotic drift is the most to be realistically expected.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New languages are hard. (Incremental semiotic drift is the most to be realistically expected.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-88910</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*The genetic basis for religion is def a fun avenue for HBD to explore.*

Yes, certainly.  Also the religious basis for genetics.  HBDchick has been really interesting on the subject.  Then there&#039;s Cochran on the Amish, who seem to be developing their own distinct genetics, and I suspect something similar, though more attenuated, is happening and has happened with the core Mormon population.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*The genetic basis for religion is def a fun avenue for HBD to explore.*</p>
<p>Yes, certainly.  Also the religious basis for genetics.  HBDchick has been really interesting on the subject.  Then there&#8217;s Cochran on the Amish, who seem to be developing their own distinct genetics, and I suspect something similar, though more attenuated, is happening and has happened with the core Mormon population.</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-21/#comment-88889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spandrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 12:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t read Evola. And Yudkowsky has nothing to do with this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t read Evola. And Yudkowsky has nothing to do with this.</p>
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