Chaos Patch (#28)

(Weekly open thread.) XS is sticking with the settled schedule, despite the risk of chaos overdose. It’s been that kind of week. Spotty coverage of 4chan craziness and failed secession in the Anglosphere heartland doesn’t begin to exhaust it.

For anybody tugging at the scorched /pol/ thread, this is an interesting — and impressively sophisticated — strand to pull at (+ some Ebola-Chan context). ++ Trolls are KulaksScience. Free Northener on #Gamergate (+ NIO anticipates the storm).

The regular Mitrailleuse secession round-up makes serves as a good Scottish re-dependence portal. Some now dated, but stimulating Scotland-related commentary here, here, here, and here. (Also loosely related, and highly-recommended, from Mitrailleuse.) This might also be the place to throw in some Proprietary Cities links (1, 2, 3).

Anything — however embryonic — proposing to synthesize Neoreaction and Accelerationism is bound to get a hearing here. This is the sign. From a left-slanted sensibility, but related.

Dark comedy on the civilization-morbidity front at the MacArthur Genius Grants. (Some residual seriousness still apparent.) Grants and awards are clearly a crucial zone of conflict.

Some blog series of note:
Mark Yuray’s Articulating a Traditionalist Worldview (1, 2, 3).
John Michael Greer’s Dark Age America (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
Victories Pyrrhic (setting out on) The Question of Sovereignty (1)

Exemplifying an uptick of complex dynamics / game theory analysis throughout NRx (and among its neighbors), from Anarcho-Papist: “The crucial feedback loops necessary to the prosperity of a society is dependent on the alignment of first-order and second-order collective action solutions. Punishing defectors offers a first-order equilibrium, but punishing those who won’t punish defectors offers a second-order, and stronger, equilibrium. However, the knowledge of punishing those who won’t punish defectors is not necessarily so obvious as the knowledge that defectors should be punished, for it entails a level of abstraction which separates the event of punishment from its result, and is thus that much more difficult to defend. This is where most people get tripped up by too readily identifying some practice or social norm as oppressive. We are very good at identifying first-order feedback loops, but not very good at identifying the second-order, meaning we tend to lose sight of the second-order benefits a practice has which on the first-order analysis has a negative game theoretic equilibrium.”

An intelligence and genetics overview. (Related: Margaret Sanger on race and eugenics.) + weaponized dysgenics (“This trend is clearly not our friend.”).

Anarcho-capitalist security mechanisms falling into place.

Lee Harris on The Future of Tradition.

Jim makes a crucial point.

An illustrated Kipling appreciation.

How the steppe was won.

How ISIS works.

Back to the 1930s watch.

Media credibility collapse watch.


When sensible libertarians discuss immigration, they don’t sound like Bryan Caplan.

Online video selection:
1. The Last Days of Lehman Brothers
2. Andrea Castillo on Bitcoin (and stuff)

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  • Chaos Patch (#28) | Reaction Times Says:

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  • That Rabbit Says:

    For me, the most absurdly amusing revelation of GamerGate has been that Cracked — the second-rate Mad Magazine knock-off I remember from the 70’s — has somehow transformed itself into a powerful, fanatical cyberspace Cheka.

    That Technoccult item tangentially mentions the American reality show “Utopia”. Anybody else watching this? I know sitting around watching reality TV isn’t the kind of thing NRx-aries typically engage in, but I have to say, from a DE perspective, this thing is comedy gold. (Available free on Hulu.) In fact, some clever monarchist should edit up a video contrasting the hapless anarchy of “Utopia” with the almost touching fealty shown by contestants of “The Quest” (also available on Hulu) towards their adopted realm and its queen.

    My humble contribution to NRx/Accelerationism: #PetSufferageNow

    “Back in the 90’s, dogs didn’t have the right to vote. And we accepted it!” – Jerry Seinfeld


    Posted on September 21st, 2014 at 4:47 pm Reply | Quote
  • That Rabbit Says:

    @That Rabbit Whoops. That, of course, should read “#PetSuffrageNow”. Not for pets suffering. Even ironically.


    Posted on September 21st, 2014 at 4:51 pm Reply | Quote
  • j. ont Says:

    A topic that has already been discussed at length, perhaps, but I’m just curious–am I the only one who got here by way of the authoritarian left rather than the libertarian right? Even as a lefty I had absolutely no faith in “regular people”–so I can, at times, understand the relentless ant-squashing SJW anxiety that’s been on display on 4chan of late. I’ve never related to the libertarians at all, and it is notable how many here are “libertarians mugged by reality,” as it were.


    Nyan Sandwich Reply:

    I came via the cultural-marxist anarchist left, though I was never very educated. I just knew that smashing gender, social structures, and western civilization was the cool thing to do.

    Got intellectually tempered on LessWrong, and got redpilled pretty fast when I had to run something IRL, had to interact with real people in a real job, read moldbug, and read unamused.


    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    I don’t really know about Authoritarian let, but I was a revolutionary leftist for awhile. I tried to find home in a lot of differet viewpoints over the years, while keeping what I knew was correct from the results of the genome project close. I can expound a bit, but the best I found was anti-dialectics analytical marixsm(gross), but I preferred the understanding from the Anarchist F.A.Q that we need not be concerned with the Communist obsession with names ie “Trotskyist, Marxist, Leninist, Stalinist” etc. I found Barefoot Bum which was one of the only people at that age that I found any one discussing empiricism and actually thinking about stuff.

    I was interested in results and I found *some* in say Albania, the massive industrialization of russia during the revolution moving the economy from fuedal to an industrialized nation.

    To me if someone were to speak well of Pinochet, it still strikes a pain in my heart to hear him spoken of well. I am not any more but I think I’m one of the few that actually skirted with the ultra-left. One of the more interesting things that I kept in mind was Kayazkinsci’s manifesto and criticism of some parts of leftism. I even printed a copy and underlined some words and gave them to my english teacher to describe the flaws in her leftism(lol).

    Libertarians I had some sympathy for because they tried to actually think, but the curse that is Austrian economics destroyed them, Some weird obsession with axiomatic frameworks that do not have empirical correspondence of relevance that I NEVER found a legitimate critique from other than my own. I used to be so pissed of I planned to write a paper describing to them where they fell astray. The obsession with Ron Paul was distasteful. A good critique from the right I enjoyed, was “Marxism of the Right”

    It was until I found Curt Doolittle(who was never a letist from what I understand), that I saw any type of similiar critique. I really like Doolittle in how educated he is. Glad he’s a part of NRx. A guy I can believe in

    Somewhere before that I found Less Wrong, but I had gone most of the way already by doing a minimum amount of legwork reading Taleb, who is the person who pushed me away from Leftism and forward past almost all mainstream american politics.


    nydwracu Reply:

    I used to be a syndicalist, but I was also a neoconfederate then, so. (I was raised in PG County fuck-whitey post-leftism, but then I went to public school.)

    Never managed to be a libertarian, even back when everyone I knew was.


    Posted on September 21st, 2014 at 4:56 pm Reply | Quote
  • Henry Dampier Says:

    @That Rabbit

    Big thread about Cracked here:


    Posted on September 21st, 2014 at 8:23 pm Reply | Quote
  • soapjackal Says:

    “The fact that this needs to be pointed out shows just how overdone neoreactionary signaling is when it comes to religion.”

    from das 8chan.

    Im very much surprised that its taken this long for the theonomist faction to finally come under fire. Of course it was on 8chan. I can understand why that poster would have such feelings but calling Bryce delusional because religion is ‘inherently’ delusional is some weakass logic.


    Hurlock Reply:

    Dude, I think you have unrealistic expectations for these guys.

    And btw, for all the flack we get, the theonomists have been much more aggressive in attacking the techno-commercialists than the other way around. Not that we care that much anyways.


    Accumbens Reply:

    A very specific belief was called delusional, with the main point being that the pro-tradition signaling tendencies inherent in NRx lead to some rather bizarre consequences. Take the case at hand, where a group whose self-image is so fundamentally based on its ability and willingness to face what it perceives to be the forbidden, inconvenient truth, finds itself unable to notice aloud some obviously wrong beliefs of its core contributors without provoking dismissive remarks about headwear.

    Of course, while believing in Lamarkcism should raise some concerns among your physics colleagues, it doesn’t automatically make you a bad physicist. But the relationship between NRx and religion seems to be just one of possible byproducts of reactionary signaling, signifying a wider bias – in cases where Progress happens to be better correlated with reality than tradition, NRx is bound to, almost by design, have a major blind spot. Since NRx is pretty much a one-issue ideology, this crack in its epistemology doesn’t seem truly problematic (it might well be the only realistic way of preventing entryism), but it is nonetheless worth noticing.


    admin Reply:

    “NRx is pretty much a one-issue ideology” — you’re really not getting the ‘Neo-‘ side of this at all.


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  • futuremurder Says:

    Can someone explain to me why NRX cares about the 4chan mod-o-pacolypse and gamergate? If the attempted dominance of SJW progressivism is a sure sign of collapse then the resentment and adolescent decadence of gamer culture/nerd culture is just the other side of the coin, and thus miles from any proper aristocratic values deserving of the name. Seems to me to be a “get the popcorn” moment as everyone is playing out their natures and limping towards he void.

    On an unrelated note, Jason Clower’s translation of Mou Zongsan has been published and is available through Amazon.


    Kgaard Reply:

    Futuremurder … I’ve had the same concern re gamergate. So far have kept it to myself because I’m kinda fascinated by the whole thing and don’t want to be too judgmental. But yeah … if you’re a gamer, haven’t you already ceded the real world to those with higher testosterone and/or a better grip on reality? Of course, this opens the debate as to what we will consider the “real” world at all in 10 years time. With eyeballs (the windows of the soul) moving to the ether-sphere at an ever-accelerating rate, perhaps the gamers are the leading edge of the virtual world to come. In fact, the smart money would almost surely bet that way.

    For myself I picked up a Wii a year or so ago to give it a whack and see if I could get into games etc again but … no. Shit just gave me a headache and really made me feel like a loser. So I took it back to the store. But if they come up with a really gripping virtual reality experience + really engaging artificial intelligence (i.e. a “mind” or “person” that you can converse with and really get something out of it) well … I mean damn … that would be pretty compelling, no? Who wouldn’t give that a test run?

    Actually, obviously, putting the pieces together we’re headed toward some version of the movie “her” in about 10-15 years it seems. Every dude not actively bedding down a 7+ will be at home with VR goggles on totally enrapt in discussion and jerking-off with a computerized, smoking hot female inside his computer, no? Seems like that’s the most obvious endgame for western civ …


    Hurlock Reply:

    Can someone explain to me what the problem with playing games is?

    Men have been doing it for thousands of years, it’s just that the most modern versions of gaming are electronic.


    futuremurder Reply:

    My concern is less that of the playing of video games but the ridiculous and childish culture displayed around gamergate. I can only see resentment.

    Kgaard Reply:

    My problem with the games is really the mechanics of them. You have to shut down your entire body except your eyes and your hands and your adrenaline. It just exacerbates the overly-mental nature of our existence as it is. The sort of games that make the most sense for sedentary workers would seem obviously to be physical ones — tennis, football, basketball, skiing or even golf. Anything that creates unity throughout the whole body. I feel better after playing tennis, but horrible after playing video games.

    This is also why a full-body immersion virtual-reality game could be a category killer. I suspect most people who don’t like games have some version of the complaint I’ve presented above. But that issue would be obviated if you could get your whole body into it. In my mind I always visualize an omni-directional treadmill in every house (or pod) but I’m sure anyone in the industry would say that’s nuts and that some other sort of technology will dominate. Wii was an effort in that direction, though not a very satisfying one …

    admin Reply:

    Games are huge, and getting huger.


    Kgaard Reply:

    I am constantly drawn to make a value judgment against gaming, but the question is how to do it. For instance, if you came home every day and saw your 16-year-old son in front of the computer banging away at imaginary aliens, eyes glazed over, Dorito bags askew, would you be proud of him? I can’t see how I would.

    Another approach: Would you not rather see your kids involved in sports, playing musical instruments, going to parties, perhaps acting in the school play, than playing video games? The former activities seem more conducive to human happiness and development, while the latter just seems masturbatory in comparison, no?

    A buddy of mine has a 19-year-old son who is basically as described above. Plays video games all day, dropped out of community college, dogged off a construction job his uncle gave him. Kind of a revolting spectacle. On the other hand, I am somewhat sympathetic with the kid. It’s a kind of rebellion against what the “real world” is presenting him. Or perhaps he has just been sucked into a kind of pleasure vortex that corrupts the ability to cultivate deeper forms of experience and knowledge.

    At the least, I have to say I’m surprised that this line of anti-gaming critique has become so rare. It’s as if the issue has been settled and if you are anti-gaming on these grounds you just don’t get it.


    Hurlock Reply:

    Is playing chess problematic because you only use your brain and not your whole body? Obviously not. Is poker? If you are bad at it and waste all your money, maybe.

    No game is bad per se, it’s people who are retarded. If you are a bad poker player and waste all your money playing poker, it’s your fault, not the game’s. Same with video games if you are wasting your life playing them. You can waste your life doing a lot of stuff, not just video games.

    Games are sports as well. The most popular video games are extremely competitive. Think of first-person shooters, real-time strategies and MOBAS. All those genres have games who are full-fledged electronic sports. Games like Stacraft II, League of Legends and Dota 2 have their own tournaments and proffessiona leagues. In Korea, e-sports is such a massive business that all of the big corporations sponsor their own teams. Samsung has the strongest teams in League of Legends at the moment. They even have a channel on TV that broadcasts nothing but electronic sports leagues. Electronic sports are almost as big in China (the most popular game there is Dota 2).

    For a lot of people in both Korea and China electronic sports is an actual career path. These people first become proffessional gamers and a lot of them later on become coaches after their prime has passed.

    You can waste your life playing video games, but you can also make a career out of it.

    People have this natural prejudice against computer games, as if considering them legitimate sport games is illegitimate. Well, if games like snooker, chess, poker and etc are considered legitimate sports there is really no reason to discriminate against computer games, who sometimes can even be more complex than those.

    “The former activities seem more conducive to human happiness and development, while the latter just seems masturbatory in comparison, no?”
    I don’t really see that.
    For some reason you seem to think games necessarily make you sad? Most people play games to have fun and relax, actually.

    Kgaard Reply:

    Sound points Hurlock. I have to say I had never heard of these Asian professional online sports leagues. (If anything merits a “wow, just wow,” surely that does.) Without denying any of your points, I will offer that poker is far more interactive and interpersonal than video games. It’s more of a full-body experience than video games (though obviously within the context of being sedentary). On chess … yeah … I never liked chess. I feel like if I’m going to do all that thinking I ought to be getting paid for it.

    j. ont. Reply:

    Kgaard, your friend’s son is by no means an exception, or even much worth noting–this is arguably a generational, or perhaps cultural, trend. Many young men my age (18-25) are in that boat, and I have at times skirted dangerously close to similar circumstances (albeit when I was much younger and without a lot of self-awareness). The economic situation and job prospects for young men are so grim, the political attitudes towards young men (and men in general) so hostile, that unreality begins to look very appealing–especially when you consider the allure of free pornography, video games, music, movies, tv. It’s a hard loop to get out of.

    I really am worried that a whole generation of young people are being left to rot. Whether or not it’s “their fault” is beside the point–and I’ve given up even hoping for some sort of political or revolutionary action on their part, since that doesn’t seem to be how they’re wired–the question is, can society actually support a whole generation of young men that do nothing and have no future?

    Kgaard Reply:

    “Can society support a whole generation of young men that do nothing and have no future?” To that I would answer an emphatic “Yes!” That is precisely the game plan. It’s more humane than sending them to die in wars or coal mines. In this context I consider most recreational drugs, video games and porn as basically all of a piece: A way to anaesthetize excess males and take them out of the power struggle. Society doesn’t need them, really. And with the obesity crisis there are nowhere near enough hot women to go around. So, excess males are free to stock shelves at Target, live in $400/month apartments in the exurbs, eat ramen noodles, smoke dope, play video games and watch porn to their heart’s content. To me it was entirely logical that drugs would be legalized. It serves the interests of the powers that be as much as it does the hippies.

    Of course, out of this mess will evolve a few breakaway creative winners who, Turchin-like, ride in out of the desert with world-dominating new technogadgets …

    Was Enlightened Reply:

    Can someone explain to me why NRX cares about the 4chan mod-o-pacolypse and gamergate?

    For the same reason that we care about ebola, even though the epidemic is thousands of miles distant? Gamergate reveals the astonishing power of the Cathedral.

    Jim keeps banging this drum, and it’s the truth: Acceptable politics moves further and further left, at an accelerating rate.

    I am a computer programmer. 20 years ago, you might talk about politics at work, but it was clear that there was a separation between professional and political life. Today, high-profile companies advocate various left-wing goals.

    20 years ago, a high tech employee could be a Republican. Today, it is forbidden to be a Republican (let alone a reactionary). Look at what happened to Brendan Eich. (And, as Jim is fond of noting, a 2014 Republican is forbidden to be a 1994 Republican.)


    futuremurder Reply:

    The Cathedral does what it does. And 4chan does what it does. It would seem that NRx should be careful not to fall for the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” in this case. Degeneracy is degeneracy no matter where it originates.


    Izak Reply:

    4chan and all other kinds of mob-based activities are natural occurrences and constitute a basic force of nature, like fire, or the wind. The wind can be really lame if you’re reading a book, because it will blow your pages around and ruin your day. It also might annoy you because you get cold and have to button up your jacket. But you also could make a windmill and harness its natural power for something useful. It’s pretty much up to you.

    Was Enlightened Reply:

    Was Enlightened does what it does. So does futuremurder. And admin. 🙂

    The Parthians may have viewed the Dacians as degenerate barbarians.

    Rome’s annihilation of Dacia should have terrified the Parthians all the same.

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  • Ansible Says:

    On UK possible switching to Yuan. This may be a ploy US Deepstate to control the newly emerging Russo-Sino Bloc via a favored tactic of theirs: entryism.


    Posted on September 21st, 2014 at 10:59 pm Reply | Quote
  • Neener Says:

    Other extinction aesthetics:

    The Order of the Nine Angles:

    Misanthropic Luciferian Order:

    Sith Academy (and his various other offshoot websites, who posts here IIRC):


    Drone techno:

    Also interesting that dark ambient label Cold Meat Industry shut down shop at the end of 2013, so the main apocalyptic ambient label went extinct right on the cusp of being named. Many of the artists moved to the Cyclic Law label.

    Computer hackers who write about counterintelligence, opsec and practical anti-surveillance against feds and intel:

    Dark Futurology:

    Occult blogs who pull together increasingly creepy narratives:

    War tourism forums:

    Bunker Archaeology, and Military Architecture, like on blogs like

    My defunct blog (that I suppose I will have to update now that I might be part of some new aesthetic movement):

    Will update some posts today.


    Neener Reply:

    Also forgot to add actual art magazines to the list:


    Neener Reply:

    Another long post on Extinction Aesthetics by Technoccult:


    admin Reply:

    The link enrichment is highly appreciated.


    Neener Reply:

    Another tumblr blog that has the same themes:

    Jeff Wells’ (now dead) blog might be good here as well:

    Here is a summation of his ideas on the “Military-Occult Complex”:

    One of his final blog posts was this long extinction-related essay:


    taz Reply:

    Oh my goodness! RigInt (rigorous intuition) quoted here. The Wells’ inspired forum is decidedly leftwards.

    Neener Reply:

    @taz, if you enjoyed Wells’ writing/topics, you might also enjoy those two occult blogs I picked out above (if you haven’t heard of them already).

    Chris Knowles’ Secret Sun blog is in the middle of a series tying together Gnosticism, ISIS, and Jacques Vallee / John Keel, so you could jump right in. It is worth going through the following tags for some genuinely weird shit that he manages to dig up:

    Gordon at Runesoup is great as well. Has a number of apocalyptic themes under:

    Some classic runesoup occult posts worth reading:

    Both blogs definitely tie into the extinction aesthetic with their fin de siècle feel and apocalyptic/occult posts.

    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    I’ve been trying to get neoractionaries to accept operational security for awhile. At least some prudent understanding about basics. I think we shoiuld write a very basic primer, although there are already a lot of resources for that.

    A NRx forum would be good on the darknet either over TOR/i2p. Especially for people afraid of retribution for their views.

    TOR is essentially made for activists. Some minimum amount of work will go a good amount of the way.


    Neener Reply:

    Yes. Those two blogs I pointed out are really interesting.

    Here is another slightly related field that you and Nick might be interested in:

    The HSR journal had a recent issue on security and conspiracy theory that tries to make a new academic study called “security history” that is about how governments use conspiracy theory and genuine conspiracies to legitimize security operations. The issue is here:

    If you scroll down to the bottom there is a table of contents, and you can find some of the papers from the issue online. Here is one:


    Posted on September 22nd, 2014 at 1:29 am Reply | Quote
  • scientism Says:

    Peter Thiel debates David Graeber (!), refers to the Baffler article on neoreaction as “flattering” and… well, this:

    Mr. Thiel, describing himself as a “political atheist,” said that people should spend less time trying to change the system than simply creating things outside it. And the key to progress, he said, may not be more democracy.

    In the real world, innovative organizations are often “shockingly hierarchical,” he said. “A start-up is really far from a democracy. People don’t get to vote on things.”


    Rasputin Reply:

    Great – are you aware of a video / audio file of the debate?


    Posted on September 22nd, 2014 at 3:35 am Reply | Quote
  • Leftward, Ever Leftward | wasenlightened Says:

    […] Expanding on a comment I left on Nick Land’s excellent blog: […]

    Posted on September 22nd, 2014 at 5:04 am Reply | Quote
  • x Says:

    Now that trolls are officially pyschopaths, the author’s conclusion to further marginalize them as a group is blatant ableist oppression. The findings only prove they deserve to be heard out more than ever. #AAA


    Posted on September 22nd, 2014 at 5:11 am Reply | Quote
  • Antisthenes Says:

    Can someone explain to me how Bechdel is supposed to be a genius, by any measure?


    Posted on September 22nd, 2014 at 7:12 am Reply | Quote
  • Nathan Turner Overdrive Says:

    Eau de NRx, anyone?


    Posted on September 22nd, 2014 at 7:23 pm Reply | Quote

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