Chaos Patch (#29)

(Weekly open thread, and stuff)

The Hong Kong situation is a nightmare. This tweet gets it right:

Soap Jackal is putting together a Cameralism reading list, so far (that I’ve seen) it includes:
(1) Mercantilism Re-Imagined (essay collection)
(2) The Cameralists: The Pioneers of German Social Polity (Albion W Small)
(3)Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought (Murray N. Rothbard)

Neoreaction @ 8chan, and 8chan @ the Encyclopedia Dramatica. (XS is still reeling from the sudden intelligence is explosion the seems to have taken place in the reactopunk net.) The fact it all seem to have followed upon a black op. makes the situation especially exquisite. Predictable response: More beatings necessary. (Free Northener is on it. NIO urges moderation. Anarcho-Papist tries to stay out, fails.)

An incredible hoard of high-minded sensualism (3D cellular automata, Prime number, visualization, Strange attractors, and more …).

Crab weaponry.

Some numerate crime-think contributions, on mathematics and political correctness, the demographic death of liberal Jews, 23andMe data, and twins.

This is what Golden Dawn stands for (ethno-socialism).

Whatever happened to libertarianism?

Hard not to notice that three-quarters of NRx seems to have sunk into a blog coma, when it hasn’t actually died. Are blogs already an obsolescing medium?

On those hard times coming. Amerika lays it out clearly:

… dependents of the world, they will cut you out. You are not necessary. You serve no role and contribute nothing. At some point, whether for pure financial reasons or to preserve themselves, the others will cut you out. You will descend into third world poverty and the rest will will take their money and prosper elsewhere. The “benefits for no riots” scam will have come to an end.

Neoreaction in the DRC. (Added.)

September 28, 2014admin 37 Comments »

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  • Mark Warburton Says:

    Your better half’s book is in transit, been a long wait!


    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 3:04 pm Reply | Quote
  • Handle Says:

    Sorry about the blog coma.

    Three major reasons:

    1. Real Life Obligations and time constraints (I just need to buckle down, finish, and shoot off some of these drafts which have been sitting unpublished).
    2. I spend most of my online discourse time with the other elders in Valinor these days.
    3. The Vladimir Problem.


    admin Reply:

    It was intended more as a clinical observation than as nagging.


    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 3:45 pm Reply | Quote
  • scientism Says:

    The Western media coverage of HK has been remarkably tepid. Even the BBC seems to have the jitters. I wonder if it has escalated to a level that the establishment is uncomfortable with. I doubt anyone wants to feel the economic aftermath of unrest in China.


    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 4:43 pm Reply | Quote
  • Erebus Says:

    I’m in Hong Kong right now, albeit on the Kowloon side, and quite far-removed from any unrest.

    I can only speak from my own vantage point, but a few things seem fairly apparent:

    -The core group of protesters are in it far too deep to back down now.

    -The CY Leung government is inept at facing situations like these, has been caught unprepared, and won’t be able to stop these protests on its own, nor is it able to acquiesce to the protesters demands — it simply doesn’t have that authority.

    -China can’t give the protesters an inch, for obvious reasons. It is probably going to need to step in, put on a little display for the hoi polloi, and perhaps send a trainload of people to prison or re-education facilities.

    …I also get the distinct impression that the media is exaggerating the scale of these protests, and is (quite obviously) using them to push an agenda, but that’s neither here nor there.

    I don’t believe that any of this will significantly disrupt the flow of business here, and day-to-day life is quite normal for the very vast majority of the (largely apolitical) folks who live here; today, in my neighborhood, was a normal Sunday like any other. I certainly don’t foresee a truly catastrophic end to this situation. The Chinese government is not as heavy-handed as it used to be, nor as it as timid and complacent as its enemies seem to hope.


    Kgaard Reply:

    Very helpful insights. I agree that this is an unusual and sensitive situation given all the zillions of $$$$$ riding on China themes …


    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 5:32 pm Reply | Quote
  • Orthodox Says:

    Does anyone have any insight into Hungary? It looks like Fidesz has completely taken apart the left in 6 years. I cannot detect any Golden Dawniness. There is Jobbik, but they are not a threat yet. It seems like the Overton window is so far right that the left may be voting Fidesz soon to keep Jobbik out of power. Even the EU has given up and starting sending aid again.


    nydwracu Reply:

    Fidesz won in 2010 by a large enough margin that they were able to rewrite the constitution. They did, and they did it in a way that makes it clear that running Hungary is their show and will remain so as far out as can be reasonably predicted.

    This never stopped the Cathedral from running scare stories about Jobbik, as in this amazingly stupid piece of propaganda — news stories are conventionally structured in an inverted pyramid, which makes it easy to see what the outlet thinks is important. This is less blatant: the first paragraph, at least, is about Fidesz’s total lock on government — but the rest is about Jobbik. (Check the weakass attempt at appealing to the strong-horse principle. Fidesz will be able to crush Jobbik! Yes, and they’ll also be able to rewrite the constitution to declare Hungary a Christian country.)

    The more interesting questions: how did they do it, and why hasn’t anyone been trying to prod it leftward? (Too busy trying to start WW3?)


    R. Reply:

    The more interesting questions: how did they do it, and why hasn’t anyone been trying to prod it leftward?

    Honesty on part of his predecessor (a socialist). In a speech to his party’s leadership he admitted to doing what every politician does: lying all the time.

    That recording was leaked, riots followed and he later admitted that the recording was not faked.

    People were not happy with the socialist gov’t reforms, namely doing something about the commie-era healthcare system and some austerity measures.

    So Orban won in a landslide, rewrote the constitution to ensure his party is going to keep winning – like say putting his people into their equiv of FCC.

    Basically, Putin lite. It’s just idiotic. They’re not gonna achieve anything meaningful.


    R. Reply:

    why hasn’t anyone been trying to prod it leftward?

    What’s the point of prodding a national-socialist regime leftward?

    Heh. Leftward. You do know that Magyar conservatives are more economically leftist than their socialists?


    nydwracu Reply:

    (Is moderation on for all comments, or did my last one get dropped in the spam box?)


    admin Reply:

    Comments with links tend to get the spam filter excited.


    Nyk Reply:

    I live some 70 km away from the Hungarian border in Timisoara, Romania. I think Orban has plenty of right ideas, however the economy of Hungary has been pretty much stagnant at best in the last years. Some 10 years ago I would go shopping in Szeged, right now I don’t bother, we have higher quality products in Timisoara. They do have better overall road & mass transit infrastructure, though – but it’s mainly their socialists who were responsible for that anyway.

    I will be watching the Fidesz regime with interest, if things go belly up in my own country (pretty loyal to the Cathedral so far), at least I will have somewhere to move to.


    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 6:31 pm Reply | Quote
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    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 6:57 pm Reply | Quote
  • Puzzle Privateer (@PuzzlePrivateer) Says:

    Assumption: since we all grew up in Cathedralized countries we absorbed at least some of the Cathedral memeplex ourselves.

    For at least part of our lives before NRx we’ve known something was wrong with the world around us. “Like a splinter in your mind” or a “whisper in your ghost” this feeling has told us something was up.

    NRx gives us at least a good approximation of “what is up”.

    Does the existence of NRx mean the memeplex has become self-aware?


    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 7:49 pm Reply | Quote
  • peppermint Says:

    The reason people have stopped posting so much, except for Radish posting all the stuff he’s read lately, and I just posted something about stuff I read recently too, is that NRx is pretty complete as a worldview, so more posts would be a distraction. DailyKos has a million posts every day because they are a political party. We are passivists.

    Lord, grant our rulers the grace to rule with the wisdom and clarity to enable us to live according to the virtues that You inscribed on our souls+

    Current events aren’t really worth commenting on, though Jim thinks gamergate is something special, and nickbsteves posted about it too.

    What’s happening in China? They had a democratic and cultural revolution already, they don’t want another. Tank guy didn’t stop the tanks, and China was rewarded by decades of prosperity. Assuming the Chinese government isn’t full of hardcore communists, or is full of hardcore communists disgusted by bourgeous liberalism or whatever, they can manage this crisis without incident and continue to enjoy prosperity.


    Kgaard Reply:

    I take the opposite view: Current events are always worth commenting on. Once one has a coherent worldview (which neoreaction is) it’s a sort of archimedean point — or perhaps a fixed Polaris — from which to interpret everything else going on in the world. It’s thus priceless. The parallel in supply-side economics is the concept that the real value of gold never changes. Once you GET that, you can interpret everything in the financial world from a fixed and consistent perspective. It’s priceless information to have.

    I view Jim’s comments on gamergate as being of a piece with everything else he does: i.e. comment on current events from a neoreactionary perspective.

    The issue, I suppose, is how much of this is needed as long as neoreaction is simply talking to itself (i.e. other people in the same loop). Guys like Sailer … actually the guys who pilfer Sailer and re-spin his stuff in the mainstream media … are perhaps the ones with the most objective sway in the external world with respect to interpretation of news events etc. But they are always going back to the original sources for more inspiration … more crimethink to give an edginess to their journalism.


    nyan_sandwich Reply:

    >NRx is pretty complete as a worldview, so more posts would be a distraction.

    Bullshit. There is still a huge amount of research and idea-development work to do.


    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 9:10 pm Reply | Quote
  • Scott Alexander Says:

    I went to /pol/ today for the first time to check it out, and just on the first two pages I found “Jewbook”, a bunch of swastika avatars, complaints about “SJW fags”, and “Good luck Ebola-chan”.

    Have things gotten back to normal, or was it even worse before?


    Hattori Reply:

    That tone was never lost. Gamergate is not allowed though.


    admin Reply:

    That was 90% of the content before. Unless you can shelve these kind of remarks in the ‘extremely raw humor’ category, it’s unbearable (which I think is the point).


    Lesser Bull Reply:

    There’s a military cliche that the worst kind of officers are the stupid but energetic kind. Stupid, meaning that they take the military cliches seriously as axioms. Energetic, meaning that they then put their worldview into action.

    All ideologies are dangerous as understood by stupid people. Some more than others. Stupid people don’t get the nuance, or the ‘extremely raw humor’ or whatever.

    That’s the lumpenintelligentsia phenom that produced the Social Justice Warriors on the Left. It’s also part of the reason for the Mrs. Grundy pattern that Scott Alexander has noticed.


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    Erebus Reply:

    It’s interesting to note that the person who wrote that article, Liberian-born Dr. Cyril Broderick, teaches plant pathology at Delaware State University. He has tenure, and his employers have stated publicly that they aren’t going to take any steps to curtail his freedom of speech.

    …Dr. Broderick is either a real chaos-cultist, or seriously delusional. In either case, he’s doing Ebola-Chan’s work.


    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 9:22 pm Reply | Quote
  • Aeroguy Says:

    Waiting for the economic sky to fall made getting laid off a couple days ago seem more like an inconvenience. Hopefully it will just lead to something better. I do aeronautical engineering and control systems, so if you want anything done with drones I’m your man, I also do systems engineering because aeronautical jobs are scarce.

    I’ve been thinking about putting up a blog, I’ve got some material but want to first finish something special in the works that will make the blog worth visiting. I’m mostly nervous that I’d be just adding noise rather than adding chaos, especially since I’m rather cozy keeping my activity here.


    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 10:01 pm Reply | Quote
  • History repeats | NRXN Says:

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    Posted on September 28th, 2014 at 11:53 pm Reply | Quote
  • Aimless Gromar Says:

    Right, blog coma is in part because most of us aren’t satisfied with churning out the same mind-numbing principle:concrete analysis over and over and over again. Once we’ve applied the principle to concrete scenarios a few times, we’re ready to move on to developing the next tool. Problem is: that’s fucking difficult as hell, so rather than put out mediocre content, most of us would rather self-censor, even though it stagnates.

    Plus, work, school, family, etc. etc. etc. etc.


    Chris B Reply:

    Too true. I’ve got lots of stuff on the potential post list, but it’s all either very experimental, pretty ambitious and/or unpublished due to lack of confidence in my understanding of what I am talking about. For example, I have a big article trying to tie post modern philosophy, Nishida Kitaros logic of place, objective transcendence v immanent transcendence, Chaos (ontological + metaphysical), Cosmology & physics, Theology, Heidegger’s opposition to empiricism, Romanticism and NRx! Trying to do stuff like that slows you down.


    Lesser Bull Reply:

    The next tool is sometimes an emergent property of repeated, “mediocre” concrete analysis. Application to specifics reveals interesting fault lines and buried questions.

    The next tool probably requires repeated, tentative, half-assed forays at the next tool. Athena emerged full blown from Zeus’ head, but real children emerge pretty pathetic.

    Needed: less intellectual pride, more submission to the reigning reality of Sturgeon’s Law.


    Posted on September 29th, 2014 at 5:48 am Reply | Quote
  • NRx_N00B Says:

    Re HK—when will the tanks start rolling?


    Posted on September 29th, 2014 at 2:36 pm Reply | Quote
  • Stirner (@heresiologist) Says:


    You and some of the NRx heavyweights might want to coordinate/announce some sort of “Month of NRx half baked ideas” for the NRxsphere. Perhaps one problem is that the challenge of producing top notch new content is getting increasingly daunting, and the siren call of real life responsibilities is growing louder.

    Lower the bar of expectations for NRx content – for a limited time – and it could flush some new ideas out the woodwork, jump-start posting, and enable commenters to start kicking the tires of the new concepts that emerge.


    Posted on September 30th, 2014 at 2:08 am Reply | Quote
  • x Says:

    Reposting from FreeNortherner’s Gamergate thread:
    SJW’s etymological roots can be traced to its acronymical sibling IDF (Israeli Defense Force) which /pol/ et al. used as an ironic accusation of occult allegiance (before following the Poe’s Law ratchet towards misinterpreted sincerity). The critical meaning of both insults is of a dogmatic propagandizing of certain vested interests, the irony being that the accused mistook the self-identifying ‘ocean of piss’ for a group whose conditioning holds any influence or importance. While they did serve as an important defusive check for unwanted zionist/progressive politics (much the same as ‘troll’ does for heterodoxy in progressive circles), the criticism is not in the impotency of the criticized’s politics, but in their misapprehended context (Q: “Where do you think you are?” A:”An ocean of piss”).

    It is worth pointing out that /v/ has gotten sufficient confirmation of its targeting by ‘viral marketing’ campaigns. Three or four years ago, the accusations of ‘viral’ was given the weary reception of a bad joke that’s overstayed its welcome, while it’s now widely accepted as self-evident but still meaningless information (it’s an ocean of piss whether or not EA imagines there’s a buck to made off its diversion). SJW revelations have similarly followed while the hypothesis of active Zionist agents spreading disinfo on 4chan remains unconfirmed, though /pol/ as a whole seems to subscribe to the operation of some more-or-less undefined clandestine force(s), manifesting in the worries over threads being “slid,” or pushed off the frontpage by the sudden spamming of dud threads, and the political allegiances of the mods.

    And of course, no one really believes 4chan is an ocean of piss (though we were all supposed to). The self-invented image was part of a memetic toolkit intended towards culture preservation; ie, consider “Gore & CP”‘s use as a darwinian filter selecting against sensitivity, and good sense, during any period of high-immigration. The dated classic “newfags can’t triforce” served to educate new generations in the same lesson that’s neatly encapsulated in the maxim: “lurk moar.” The underlying implication of the SJW & IDF moniker belied the same intentions, the “misapprehension of context” translates into being (embarrassingly) new and unconditioned in the subculture: a “newfag” or “normalfag,” a square.

    4chan wants the world to believe it’s not worth paying attention to, but it’s clear that it has already been pulled from the shadows and placed under the crosshairs for a some time now – in other words, it is succumbing to the Cathedral; of IDF, SJW and Viral Marketer, only the last term is not a bannable offense (though it was for a period, if I’m not mistaken). The community’s collective mythology would place the point of no return in 2008 with the “Project Chanology” signal event, inviting an unprecedented flood of newcomers. The self-descriptive adage that has come to replace “pissing in an ocean of piss” is “watching a trainwreck in slow-motion,” introducing to the unconditional malignancy of the former a chronological point at which the train definitively broke from its rails.


    ||||| Reply:

    It’s the barbarians being invaded by the civilized (or the domesticated, to be more precise).


    Posted on September 30th, 2014 at 3:05 am Reply | Quote
  • Lesser Bull Says:

    @Stirner (@heresiologist)

    Hear, hear.

    More middlebrow NRx. It’s the soil for the good stuff.


    Posted on September 30th, 2014 at 2:51 pm Reply | Quote
  • Peter A. Taylor Says:

    New subject. I would like to see some formal modeling of how the news media work. I have read Bryan Caplan’s _The Myth of the Rational Voter_. He presents the media as competitive and consumer-driven, straight out of a “spherical cow” economics model. Obviously, Caplan’s view is not widely shared here. But what would an analogous “twisted cow” economic model look like? What are the sources of “market failure”, and can we quantify them?


    Posted on October 1st, 2014 at 2:37 am Reply | Quote
  • Kgaard Says:

    For Japan doom and gloomers: Manufacturing sentiment improved in the latest Tanken survey, out today. Big corporates see capital investment rising 8.6% in the year through March 2015. The Bank of Japan’s QE policy is doing what it’s supposed to do: Lift Japan out of deflation and make the country safe for new capital investment.


    Posted on October 1st, 2014 at 8:56 am Reply | Quote

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