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		<title>By: R.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-29/#comment-120441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
why hasn’t anyone been trying to prod it leftward? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What&#039;s the point of prodding a national-socialist regime leftward?

Heh.  Leftward. You do know that Magyar conservatives are more economically leftist than their socialists?]]></description>
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why hasn’t anyone been trying to prod it leftward?
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<p>What&#8217;s the point of prodding a national-socialist regime leftward?</p>
<p>Heh.  Leftward. You do know that Magyar conservatives are more economically leftist than their socialists?</p>
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		<title>By: R.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-29/#comment-120439</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
The more interesting questions: how did they do it, and why hasn’t anyone been trying to prod it leftward?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Honesty on part of his predecessor (a socialist). In a speech to his party&#039;s leadership he admitted to doing what every politician does: lying all the time.

That recording was leaked, riots followed and he later admitted that the recording was not faked. 

People were not happy with the socialist gov&#039;t reforms, namely doing something about the commie-era healthcare system and some austerity measures. 

So Orban won in a landslide, rewrote the constitution to ensure his party is going to keep winning - like say putting his people into their equiv of FCC.

Basically, Putin lite. It&#039;s just idiotic. They&#039;re not gonna achieve anything meaningful.]]></description>
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The more interesting questions: how did they do it, and why hasn’t anyone been trying to prod it leftward?
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<p>Honesty on part of his predecessor (a socialist). In a speech to his party&#8217;s leadership he admitted to doing what every politician does: lying all the time.</p>
<p>That recording was leaked, riots followed and he later admitted that the recording was not faked. </p>
<p>People were not happy with the socialist gov&#8217;t reforms, namely doing something about the commie-era healthcare system and some austerity measures. </p>
<p>So Orban won in a landslide, rewrote the constitution to ensure his party is going to keep winning &#8211; like say putting his people into their equiv of FCC.</p>
<p>Basically, Putin lite. It&#8217;s just idiotic. They&#8217;re not gonna achieve anything meaningful.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgaard</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-29/#comment-116140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Japan doom and gloomers: Manufacturing sentiment improved in the latest Tanken survey, out today. Big corporates see capital investment rising 8.6% in the year through March 2015. The Bank of Japan&#039;s QE policy is doing what it&#039;s supposed to do: Lift Japan out of deflation and make the country safe for new capital investment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-30/japan-manufacturer-sentiment-unexpectedly-improves.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Japan doom and gloomers: Manufacturing sentiment improved in the latest Tanken survey, out today. Big corporates see capital investment rising 8.6% in the year through March 2015. The Bank of Japan&#8217;s QE policy is doing what it&#8217;s supposed to do: Lift Japan out of deflation and make the country safe for new capital investment.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-30/japan-manufacturer-sentiment-unexpectedly-improves.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-30/japan-manufacturer-sentiment-unexpectedly-improves.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-29/#comment-116043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 02:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New subject.  I would like to see some formal modeling of how the news media work.  I have read Bryan Caplan&#039;s _The Myth of the Rational Voter_.  He presents the media as competitive and consumer-driven, straight out of a &quot;spherical cow&quot; economics model.  Obviously, Caplan&#039;s view is not widely shared here.  But what would an analogous &quot;twisted cow&quot; economic model look like?  What are the sources of &quot;market failure&quot;, and can we quantify them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New subject.  I would like to see some formal modeling of how the news media work.  I have read Bryan Caplan&#8217;s _The Myth of the Rational Voter_.  He presents the media as competitive and consumer-driven, straight out of a &#8220;spherical cow&#8221; economics model.  Obviously, Caplan&#8217;s view is not widely shared here.  But what would an analogous &#8220;twisted cow&#8221; economic model look like?  What are the sources of &#8220;market failure&#8221;, and can we quantify them?</p>
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		<title>By: Nyk</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-29/#comment-115889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nyk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live some 70 km away from the Hungarian border in Timisoara, Romania. I think Orban has plenty of right ideas, however the economy of Hungary has been pretty much stagnant at best in the last years. Some 10 years ago I would go shopping in Szeged, right now I don&#039;t bother, we have higher quality products in Timisoara. They do have better overall road &amp; mass transit infrastructure, though - but it&#039;s mainly their socialists who were responsible for that anyway.

I will be watching the Fidesz regime with interest, if things go belly up in my own country (pretty loyal to the Cathedral so far), at least I will have somewhere to move to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live some 70 km away from the Hungarian border in Timisoara, Romania. I think Orban has plenty of right ideas, however the economy of Hungary has been pretty much stagnant at best in the last years. Some 10 years ago I would go shopping in Szeged, right now I don&#8217;t bother, we have higher quality products in Timisoara. They do have better overall road &amp; mass transit infrastructure, though &#8211; but it&#8217;s mainly their socialists who were responsible for that anyway.</p>
<p>I will be watching the Fidesz regime with interest, if things go belly up in my own country (pretty loyal to the Cathedral so far), at least I will have somewhere to move to.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Stirner (@heresiologist)&lt;/strong&gt;

Hear, hear.  


More middlebrow NRx.  It&#039;s the soil for the good stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Stirner (@heresiologist)</strong></p>
<p>Hear, hear.  </p>
<p>More middlebrow NRx.  It&#8217;s the soil for the good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: &#124;&#124;&#124;&#124;&#124;</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-29/#comment-115778</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the barbarians being invaded by the civilized (or the domesticated, to be more precise).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the barbarians being invaded by the civilized (or the domesticated, to be more precise).</p>
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		<title>By: x</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-29/#comment-115699</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reposting from FreeNortherner&#039;s Gamergate thread:
SJW’s etymological roots can be traced to its acronymical sibling IDF (Israeli Defense Force) which /pol/ et al. used as an ironic accusation of occult allegiance (before following the Poe’s Law ratchet towards misinterpreted sincerity). The critical meaning of both insults is of a dogmatic propagandizing of certain vested interests, the irony being that the accused mistook the self-identifying ‘ocean of piss’ for a group whose conditioning holds any influence or importance. While they did serve as an important defusive check for unwanted zionist/progressive politics (much the same as ‘troll’ does for heterodoxy in progressive circles), the criticism is not in the impotency of the criticized’s politics, but in their misapprehended context (Q: “Where do you think you are?” A:”An ocean of piss”).

It is worth pointing out that /v/ has gotten sufficient confirmation of its targeting by ‘viral marketing’ campaigns. Three or four years ago, the accusations of ‘viral’ was given the weary reception of a bad joke that’s overstayed its welcome, while it’s now widely accepted as self-evident but still meaningless information (it’s an ocean of piss whether or not EA imagines there’s a buck to made off its diversion). SJW revelations have similarly followed while the hypothesis of active Zionist agents spreading disinfo on 4chan remains unconfirmed, though /pol/ as a whole seems to subscribe to the operation of some more-or-less undefined clandestine force(s), manifesting in the worries over threads being “slid,” or pushed off the frontpage by the sudden spamming of dud threads, and the political allegiances of the mods.

And of course, no one really believes 4chan is an ocean of piss (though we were all supposed to). The self-invented image was part of a memetic toolkit intended towards culture preservation; ie, consider “Gore &amp; CP”‘s use as a darwinian filter selecting against sensitivity, and good sense, during any period of high-immigration. The dated classic “newfags can’t triforce” served to educate new generations in the same lesson that’s neatly encapsulated in the maxim: “lurk moar.” The underlying implication of the SJW &amp; IDF moniker belied the same intentions, the “misapprehension of context” translates into being (embarrassingly) new and unconditioned in the subculture: a “newfag” or “normalfag,” a square.

4chan wants the world to believe it&#039;s not worth paying attention to, but it’s clear that it has already been pulled from the shadows and placed under the crosshairs for a some time now – in other words, it is succumbing to the Cathedral; of IDF, SJW and Viral Marketer, only the last term is not a bannable offense (though it was for a period, if I’m not mistaken). The community’s collective mythology would place the point of no return in 2008 with the “Project Chanology” signal event, inviting an unprecedented flood of newcomers. The self-descriptive adage that has come to replace “pissing in an ocean of piss” is “watching a trainwreck in slow-motion,” introducing to the unconditional malignancy of the former a chronological point at which the train definitively broke from its rails.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reposting from FreeNortherner&#8217;s Gamergate thread:<br />
SJW’s etymological roots can be traced to its acronymical sibling IDF (Israeli Defense Force) which /pol/ et al. used as an ironic accusation of occult allegiance (before following the Poe’s Law ratchet towards misinterpreted sincerity). The critical meaning of both insults is of a dogmatic propagandizing of certain vested interests, the irony being that the accused mistook the self-identifying ‘ocean of piss’ for a group whose conditioning holds any influence or importance. While they did serve as an important defusive check for unwanted zionist/progressive politics (much the same as ‘troll’ does for heterodoxy in progressive circles), the criticism is not in the impotency of the criticized’s politics, but in their misapprehended context (Q: “Where do you think you are?” A:”An ocean of piss”).</p>
<p>It is worth pointing out that /v/ has gotten sufficient confirmation of its targeting by ‘viral marketing’ campaigns. Three or four years ago, the accusations of ‘viral’ was given the weary reception of a bad joke that’s overstayed its welcome, while it’s now widely accepted as self-evident but still meaningless information (it’s an ocean of piss whether or not EA imagines there’s a buck to made off its diversion). SJW revelations have similarly followed while the hypothesis of active Zionist agents spreading disinfo on 4chan remains unconfirmed, though /pol/ as a whole seems to subscribe to the operation of some more-or-less undefined clandestine force(s), manifesting in the worries over threads being “slid,” or pushed off the frontpage by the sudden spamming of dud threads, and the political allegiances of the mods.</p>
<p>And of course, no one really believes 4chan is an ocean of piss (though we were all supposed to). The self-invented image was part of a memetic toolkit intended towards culture preservation; ie, consider “Gore &amp; CP”‘s use as a darwinian filter selecting against sensitivity, and good sense, during any period of high-immigration. The dated classic “newfags can’t triforce” served to educate new generations in the same lesson that’s neatly encapsulated in the maxim: “lurk moar.” The underlying implication of the SJW &amp; IDF moniker belied the same intentions, the “misapprehension of context” translates into being (embarrassingly) new and unconditioned in the subculture: a “newfag” or “normalfag,” a square.</p>
<p>4chan wants the world to believe it&#8217;s not worth paying attention to, but it’s clear that it has already been pulled from the shadows and placed under the crosshairs for a some time now – in other words, it is succumbing to the Cathedral; of IDF, SJW and Viral Marketer, only the last term is not a bannable offense (though it was for a period, if I’m not mistaken). The community’s collective mythology would place the point of no return in 2008 with the “Project Chanology” signal event, inviting an unprecedented flood of newcomers. The self-descriptive adage that has come to replace “pissing in an ocean of piss” is “watching a trainwreck in slow-motion,” introducing to the unconditional malignancy of the former a chronological point at which the train definitively broke from its rails.</p>
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		<title>By: Stirner (@heresiologist)</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-29/#comment-115685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stirner (@heresiologist)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 02:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Admin, 

You and some of the NRx heavyweights might want to coordinate/announce some sort of &quot;Month of NRx half baked ideas&quot; for the NRxsphere. Perhaps one problem is that the challenge of producing top notch new content is getting increasingly daunting, and the siren call of real life responsibilities is growing louder.

Lower the bar of expectations for NRx content - for a limited time - and it could flush some new ideas out the woodwork, jump-start posting, and enable commenters to start kicking the tires of the new concepts that emerge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admin, </p>
<p>You and some of the NRx heavyweights might want to coordinate/announce some sort of &#8220;Month of NRx half baked ideas&#8221; for the NRxsphere. Perhaps one problem is that the challenge of producing top notch new content is getting increasingly daunting, and the siren call of real life responsibilities is growing louder.</p>
<p>Lower the bar of expectations for NRx content &#8211; for a limited time &#8211; and it could flush some new ideas out the woodwork, jump-start posting, and enable commenters to start kicking the tires of the new concepts that emerge.</p>
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		<title>By: nyan_sandwich</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nyan_sandwich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 21:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;NRx is pretty complete as a worldview, so more posts would be a distraction.

Bullshit. There is still a huge amount of research and idea-development work to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;NRx is pretty complete as a worldview, so more posts would be a distraction.</p>
<p>Bullshit. There is still a huge amount of research and idea-development work to do.</p>
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