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		<title>By: Nyan Sandwich</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-125496</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2014 04:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to do that eventually, but we&#039;re going to factor that out of Phalanx. Starting a *successful religion* is just about the hardest thing you can do, so we won&#039;t front load that onto a mens club.

Christianity has proven spiritual value and it&#039;s something we can basically all agree on (including atheists like myself), so we&#039;ll use that for now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to do that eventually, but we&#8217;re going to factor that out of Phalanx. Starting a *successful religion* is just about the hardest thing you can do, so we won&#8217;t front load that onto a mens club.</p>
<p>Christianity has proven spiritual value and it&#8217;s something we can basically all agree on (including atheists like myself), so we&#8217;ll use that for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasputin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-125356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasputin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hurlock, please do this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurlock, please do this.</p>
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		<title>By: R.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-125214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why go to a church? 
Would it not make more sense to intelligently design a religion? 

No Abrahamic faith has a favorable attitude towards human improvement, genetic engineering and many other things that are probably going to be quite important in this century for people who do not wish to end up as pawns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why go to a church?<br />
Would it not make more sense to intelligently design a religion? </p>
<p>No Abrahamic faith has a favorable attitude towards human improvement, genetic engineering and many other things that are probably going to be quite important in this century for people who do not wish to end up as pawns.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Psy-Ops</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-125190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Psy-Ops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Free Northerners Christian apologia was quite spiritually satisfying, even for us non-Christian souls. The pledge of &#039;loving obedience&#039; to Gnon struck me as a noble gesture, though I&#039;d add the disclaimer that by all appearances Gnon appreciates obedience mainly, and tolerates love as a reward for wise observance. I can&#039;t accept Christ as a deified religious authority though...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free Northerners Christian apologia was quite spiritually satisfying, even for us non-Christian souls. The pledge of &#8216;loving obedience&#8217; to Gnon struck me as a noble gesture, though I&#8217;d add the disclaimer that by all appearances Gnon appreciates obedience mainly, and tolerates love as a reward for wise observance. I can&#8217;t accept Christ as a deified religious authority though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Psy-Ops</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-125184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Psy-Ops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a whole datasets worth of anecdotes from today, but they&#039;ll make a better story when twisted and convoluted into encrypted/compressed format. Basically it comes down to territory, offline and online, and the fact I currently don&#039;t own a working phone (tech-comm neo-luddism).  Talking &#039;directly&#039; about cryptography requires programmatic obfuscation, intentional as well as targeted, in distinction to integral obscurity, which is innate. Staying true to obscurity might be the closest thing we have to truth. Any signal we might give will at least fix us on the map for those anticipating nearby. Whose land are we on anyway? No man&#039;s land. Not even a fringe, more like an anomaly, or a precipice and an impossible free fall. Down staircases going up and up staircases going down. (when does trolling stop getting taken seriously?).  Reminds me of this Keats&#039; line, in Social Matter on Thursday:

“Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard/ Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on.” 

Don&#039;t underestimate the silent games of intuition, there&#039;s no such thing as a solipsist. Maybe waiting is the end game. Now there&#039;s a dark thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a whole datasets worth of anecdotes from today, but they&#8217;ll make a better story when twisted and convoluted into encrypted/compressed format. Basically it comes down to territory, offline and online, and the fact I currently don&#8217;t own a working phone (tech-comm neo-luddism).  Talking &#8216;directly&#8217; about cryptography requires programmatic obfuscation, intentional as well as targeted, in distinction to integral obscurity, which is innate. Staying true to obscurity might be the closest thing we have to truth. Any signal we might give will at least fix us on the map for those anticipating nearby. Whose land are we on anyway? No man&#8217;s land. Not even a fringe, more like an anomaly, or a precipice and an impossible free fall. Down staircases going up and up staircases going down. (when does trolling stop getting taken seriously?).  Reminds me of this Keats&#8217; line, in Social Matter on Thursday:</p>
<p>“Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard/ Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on.” </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t underestimate the silent games of intuition, there&#8217;s no such thing as a solipsist. Maybe waiting is the end game. Now there&#8217;s a dark thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgaard</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-125163</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m referring to the monetary portion -- i.e. no QE. Though in fairness to Hoover, that was more up to the NY Fed. If Benjamin Strong (NY Fed chair) hadn&#039;t died in 1928 we may have had a better response to the bank implosion of 31-33. As it was there was nobody at the helm.

Also ... on gold ... I should clarify where I stand on it. Conceptually I&#039;m really neutral at this point. Fed officials have been coming out in recent days saying they are pushing back the likely date when QE will be exited. That&#039;s good. In principle it is gold-positive (and in fact gold has rallied a little).  

Hurlock you really ought to argue your points over at Sumner&#039;s. They are better economists than I am. And if you are really correct you will defeat them. You should try your hand at it -- Sumner&#039;s page is the epicenter of market monetarism. He is basically the most influential economist in the world at this point and yet still very accessible. This one on the euro is a good place to start.
 
http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=27795]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m referring to the monetary portion &#8212; i.e. no QE. Though in fairness to Hoover, that was more up to the NY Fed. If Benjamin Strong (NY Fed chair) hadn&#8217;t died in 1928 we may have had a better response to the bank implosion of 31-33. As it was there was nobody at the helm.</p>
<p>Also &#8230; on gold &#8230; I should clarify where I stand on it. Conceptually I&#8217;m really neutral at this point. Fed officials have been coming out in recent days saying they are pushing back the likely date when QE will be exited. That&#8217;s good. In principle it is gold-positive (and in fact gold has rallied a little).  </p>
<p>Hurlock you really ought to argue your points over at Sumner&#8217;s. They are better economists than I am. And if you are really correct you will defeat them. You should try your hand at it &#8212; Sumner&#8217;s page is the epicenter of market monetarism. He is basically the most influential economist in the world at this point and yet still very accessible. This one on the euro is a good place to start.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=27795" rel="nofollow">http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=27795</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hurlock</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-125142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hurlock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You really are killing me. 

Herbert Hoover? For fuck&#039;s sake, I am serious, go read a history book.
Herbert Hoover did exactly the opposite of my approach. He increased spending. His policies set the foundations for the implementation of the New Deal. Herbert Hoover&#039;s economic policy was basically the beta version of the New Deal. Why in the blue hell do you keep presenting policies which I excplicitly oppose, as policies that I am supporting? 

Fucking keynesians.

Yeah, good luck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really are killing me. </p>
<p>Herbert Hoover? For fuck&#8217;s sake, I am serious, go read a history book.<br />
Herbert Hoover did exactly the opposite of my approach. He increased spending. His policies set the foundations for the implementation of the New Deal. Herbert Hoover&#8217;s economic policy was basically the beta version of the New Deal. Why in the blue hell do you keep presenting policies which I excplicitly oppose, as policies that I am supporting? </p>
<p>Fucking keynesians.</p>
<p>Yeah, good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgaard</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-125132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, you buy gold stocks, I&#039;ll buy Japan construction stocks and exporters. We&#039;ll see who wins. Your Europe approach was tried by Herbert Hoover. Worked great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you buy gold stocks, I&#8217;ll buy Japan construction stocks and exporters. We&#8217;ll see who wins. Your Europe approach was tried by Herbert Hoover. Worked great.</p>
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		<title>By: Hurlock</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-125121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hurlock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kgaard

There was no such thing as austerity in Europe so stop with that bullshit already. There may have been &#039;minimal&#039; QE by the ECB, but sure as hell there was deficit spending, and overall government spending has been steadily increasing since 2008 in all of those supposedly &#039;austere&#039; countries. Then some clown like you comes along after all this the economy is even worse, and says &quot;Hey, you austrians were wrong, see? We pushed spending up, but we didn&#039;t push it TO THE MAX so by default your theory that if there was a big REDUCTION in government spending the economy would be better must be wrong!!!&quot;
Do you realize how retarded that sounds? Do you yourself buy the shit that you are typing?
(Oh and let&#039;s keep in mind that Bank of England has actually been doing QE all this time.) 

My recommendation is not to just have &#039;super-tight money&#039;, my recommendation is to freeze the money supply, cut government spending and let the redjustment happen.
And &#039;minimal QE&#039; is not freezing the money supply. Not a single country froze its money supply.
Government spending has been increasing. The public sector getting bigger everywhere. Deficits every single year and everywhere still higher than they were at the start of the recession in 2008.
So please, cut the bullshit already. 

&quot;Bond prices have been RISING into all this QE. Doesn’t that seem strange to you? What this rally in Japanese bond values is saying is that investors don’t believe the BoJ will print ENOUGH money to prevent the economy from sinking back into deflation.&quot;

&#039;Investors&#039;? Oh, you mean the Bank of Japan?
http://online.wsj.com/articles/boj-becomes-biggest-japan-government-bondholder-1403077610
Which happens to be the biggest holder of japanese government bonds? Gee, this rally sure is something amazing. 
The BOJ with the government sector and the domestic banking sector (which is pretty much part of the government sector) hold over 50% of the japanese government bonds. Over fifty-fucking-percent. Do I need to say more?

&quot;If the wheels come off it will be because the BoJ gives up and loses heart in QE (which is of course possible). &quot;
You just have to BELIEVE MAN, if you believe I am sure it will work....some day...some year....I think....
No. It wont. Now stop reading blogs by celebrity economists like Scott Sumner and go read a history book. Do something productive with your life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kgaard</p>
<p>There was no such thing as austerity in Europe so stop with that bullshit already. There may have been &#8216;minimal&#8217; QE by the ECB, but sure as hell there was deficit spending, and overall government spending has been steadily increasing since 2008 in all of those supposedly &#8216;austere&#8217; countries. Then some clown like you comes along after all this the economy is even worse, and says &#8220;Hey, you austrians were wrong, see? We pushed spending up, but we didn&#8217;t push it TO THE MAX so by default your theory that if there was a big REDUCTION in government spending the economy would be better must be wrong!!!&#8221;<br />
Do you realize how retarded that sounds? Do you yourself buy the shit that you are typing?<br />
(Oh and let&#8217;s keep in mind that Bank of England has actually been doing QE all this time.) </p>
<p>My recommendation is not to just have &#8216;super-tight money&#8217;, my recommendation is to freeze the money supply, cut government spending and let the redjustment happen.<br />
And &#8216;minimal QE&#8217; is not freezing the money supply. Not a single country froze its money supply.<br />
Government spending has been increasing. The public sector getting bigger everywhere. Deficits every single year and everywhere still higher than they were at the start of the recession in 2008.<br />
So please, cut the bullshit already. </p>
<p>&#8220;Bond prices have been RISING into all this QE. Doesn’t that seem strange to you? What this rally in Japanese bond values is saying is that investors don’t believe the BoJ will print ENOUGH money to prevent the economy from sinking back into deflation.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Investors&#8217;? Oh, you mean the Bank of Japan?<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/articles/boj-becomes-biggest-japan-government-bondholder-1403077610" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/articles/boj-becomes-biggest-japan-government-bondholder-1403077610</a><br />
Which happens to be the biggest holder of japanese government bonds? Gee, this rally sure is something amazing.<br />
The BOJ with the government sector and the domestic banking sector (which is pretty much part of the government sector) hold over 50% of the japanese government bonds. Over fifty-fucking-percent. Do I need to say more?</p>
<p>&#8220;If the wheels come off it will be because the BoJ gives up and loses heart in QE (which is of course possible). &#8221;<br />
You just have to BELIEVE MAN, if you believe I am sure it will work&#8230;.some day&#8230;some year&#8230;.I think&#8230;.<br />
No. It wont. Now stop reading blogs by celebrity economists like Scott Sumner and go read a history book. Do something productive with your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Nyan Sandwich</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-32/#comment-124948</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 00:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Compartmentalization is great, but based on your interests, it sounds like you should talk to Phalanx (ie me).

First, your concerns:

&gt;I don’t go to church

Neither do I; I&#039;m an atheist. Still I would like to, because I think it&#039;s a good idea. That said, Phalanx is going to have to be pretty flexible; not everyone is going to be able to do everything. The point is to be down with most of it.

&gt;I’m not white

This is fine. Ethnats want to live in a certain kind of community; that doesn&#039;t mean we can afford to be dogmatic about our allies at this stage.

We&#039;ve talked this over internally, and while being Anglo-Saxon/White is a plus, it&#039;s not necessary.

In Vancouver we have a brown muslim, which he makes up for by being a great guy and awesome in other ways.

I&#039;m loving the Elder Scrolls &#039;Dark Brotherhood&#039; thing, but it&#039;s a bit too much for me.

Send me an email at phalanx.nrx@gmx.com and we&#039;ll chat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compartmentalization is great, but based on your interests, it sounds like you should talk to Phalanx (ie me).</p>
<p>First, your concerns:</p>
<p>&gt;I don’t go to church</p>
<p>Neither do I; I&#8217;m an atheist. Still I would like to, because I think it&#8217;s a good idea. That said, Phalanx is going to have to be pretty flexible; not everyone is going to be able to do everything. The point is to be down with most of it.</p>
<p>&gt;I’m not white</p>
<p>This is fine. Ethnats want to live in a certain kind of community; that doesn&#8217;t mean we can afford to be dogmatic about our allies at this stage.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve talked this over internally, and while being Anglo-Saxon/White is a plus, it&#8217;s not necessary.</p>
<p>In Vancouver we have a brown muslim, which he makes up for by being a great guy and awesome in other ways.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m loving the Elder Scrolls &#8216;Dark Brotherhood&#8217; thing, but it&#8217;s a bit too much for me.</p>
<p>Send me an email at <a href="mailto:phalanx.nrx@gmx.com">phalanx.nrx@gmx.com</a> and we&#8217;ll chat.</p>
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