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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-37/#comment-142610</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a Fiasco Dear Sir Handle..O/T other than Chaos patches.

ORDBAT CONUS. It&#039;s just a Job now. http://tl.gd/n_1simq58]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a Fiasco Dear Sir Handle..O/T other than Chaos patches.</p>
<p>ORDBAT CONUS. It&#8217;s just a Job now. <a href="http://tl.gd/n_1simq58" rel="nofollow">http://tl.gd/n_1simq58</a></p>
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		<title>By: Izak</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-37/#comment-142580</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s also difficult to learn for any modern language speaker with little inflection in his language... and difficulty is a good thing in itself.

Globalization did something interesting: it relieved people of the need to have any discipline at all so long as they live in luxuriant first-world countries. What should have happened was: in the 60s or 70s, the schools would say, &quot;OK, now we&#039;re concerned with world history rather than just Western history, so you have a choice: you can learn Latin, Sanskrit, or Early Mandarin. Now you can each present a part of the world to each other.&quot; But instead they wound up saying, &quot;We&#039;re globalized, so you can be as ignorant as you want, yippieeeee!&quot;

If I recall correctly, Ananda Coomaraswamy made this exact point in a broader polemic about how literacy itself is used as a form of colonial oppression, or something like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also difficult to learn for any modern language speaker with little inflection in his language&#8230; and difficulty is a good thing in itself.</p>
<p>Globalization did something interesting: it relieved people of the need to have any discipline at all so long as they live in luxuriant first-world countries. What should have happened was: in the 60s or 70s, the schools would say, &#8220;OK, now we&#8217;re concerned with world history rather than just Western history, so you have a choice: you can learn Latin, Sanskrit, or Early Mandarin. Now you can each present a part of the world to each other.&#8221; But instead they wound up saying, &#8220;We&#8217;re globalized, so you can be as ignorant as you want, yippieeeee!&#8221;</p>
<p>If I recall correctly, Ananda Coomaraswamy made this exact point in a broader polemic about how literacy itself is used as a form of colonial oppression, or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-37/#comment-142575</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still like the logical derivation.

Mutation is random. Different bloodlines will drift in random directions. The only way dispersed populations could have remained the same is if something forced them to. No such force exists. 

However, logic&#039;s soundness is nonlinear; it is sensitive to small errors. (I have a similar one for global warming that&#039;s wrong.) Let&#039;s check.
Skin colour shows recent evolution has occurred. Phenotypes are too interconnected for only skin colour to evolve. Hence; recent, copious, regional. 

Lactase.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still like the logical derivation.</p>
<p>Mutation is random. Different bloodlines will drift in random directions. The only way dispersed populations could have remained the same is if something forced them to. No such force exists. </p>
<p>However, logic&#8217;s soundness is nonlinear; it is sensitive to small errors. (I have a similar one for global warming that&#8217;s wrong.) Let&#8217;s check.<br />
Skin colour shows recent evolution has occurred. Phenotypes are too interconnected for only skin colour to evolve. Hence; recent, copious, regional. </p>
<p>Lactase.</p>
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		<title>By: Erebus</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-37/#comment-142528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erebus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cowardly evasion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cowardly evasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Haki Motokono</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-37/#comment-142526</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Haki Motokono]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t be relevant to this discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t be relevant to this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Erebus</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-37/#comment-142520</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erebus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enlighten me, then.  What would constitute a relevant study?  Surely you must have some examples.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enlighten me, then.  What would constitute a relevant study?  Surely you must have some examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Haki Motokono</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-37/#comment-142515</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Haki Motokono]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I checked all the papers you mentioned, and all are irrelevant, I refuse to discuss them further since they simply distract from a fruitful discussion of HBD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked all the papers you mentioned, and all are irrelevant, I refuse to discuss them further since they simply distract from a fruitful discussion of HBD.</p>
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		<title>By: Erebus</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-37/#comment-142510</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erebus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Haki Motokono-

&quot;We ought to simply discuss HBD sources.&quot;

Define &quot;HBD source&quot;.  If possible, please provide an example.   Also, did you check the individual papers I mentioned?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Haki Motokono-</p>
<p>&#8220;We ought to simply discuss HBD sources.&#8221;</p>
<p>Define &#8220;HBD source&#8221;.  If possible, please provide an example.   Also, did you check the individual papers I mentioned?</p>
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		<title>By: Haki Motokono</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Haki Motokono]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nick

If you can answer my question in the most succint way, as your schedule allows, I can promise discussion on matters of HBD in the future, so perhaps there is much to learn. I don&#039;t even understand why it would take you that long anyway, I am only asking for a short recanting anyhow.

@Erebus

That is irrelevant and helpful; of course there are plenty of papers out there on race, but few go into the sorts of racial causation that we HBDers look at, and many papers out there disagree with us or are otherwise irrelevant to HBD, and shouldn&#039;t be brought up in discussion. We ought to simply discuss HBD sources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick</p>
<p>If you can answer my question in the most succint way, as your schedule allows, I can promise discussion on matters of HBD in the future, so perhaps there is much to learn. I don&#8217;t even understand why it would take you that long anyway, I am only asking for a short recanting anyhow.</p>
<p>@Erebus</p>
<p>That is irrelevant and helpful; of course there are plenty of papers out there on race, but few go into the sorts of racial causation that we HBDers look at, and many papers out there disagree with us or are otherwise irrelevant to HBD, and shouldn&#8217;t be brought up in discussion. We ought to simply discuss HBD sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Erebus</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-37/#comment-142485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erebus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ &quot;Haki Motokono&quot; -- 
Have fun trawling through this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=race+ethnicity+%5Btitle%5D

...Which is just the tip of the iceberg, as there are other terms one could search for, and other databases to search.  

On the whole, people of different racial backgrounds will metabolize certain drugs differently (for example see PMID: 24369795), will likely respond differently to exercise (PMID: 24569362), will be more or less prone to misuse drugs (PMID: 25344348), and so forth.  Some studies, rare ones, will sometimes look at intelligence.  (PMC4120939)

Those examples are merely the first which came to hand – all of them, with the exception of the last one, were published within the past several months – and there&#039;ll be much more reading material for you as you work your way down those search results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ &#8220;Haki Motokono&#8221; &#8212;<br />
Have fun trawling through this: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=race+ethnicity+%5Btitle%5D" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=race+ethnicity+%5Btitle%5D</a></p>
<p>&#8230;Which is just the tip of the iceberg, as there are other terms one could search for, and other databases to search.  </p>
<p>On the whole, people of different racial backgrounds will metabolize certain drugs differently (for example see PMID: 24369795), will likely respond differently to exercise (PMID: 24569362), will be more or less prone to misuse drugs (PMID: 25344348), and so forth.  Some studies, rare ones, will sometimes look at intelligence.  (PMC4120939)</p>
<p>Those examples are merely the first which came to hand – all of them, with the exception of the last one, were published within the past several months – and there&#8217;ll be much more reading material for you as you work your way down those search results.</p>
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