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		<title>By: Kgaard</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-160903</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds points. Can&#039;t really argue with any of them. Still, it&#039;s useful to know, as we think about SPZs and ZEDs and seasteads, how these things are being used now. And the answer is that they are being used as gigantic sweatshops where western companies can hide the horrendous conditions of their workers from their consumers.

These are the sorts of arguments that are going to come up down the road as Peter Theil-types make their case for land carve-outs to set up monarchies etc. Really I couldn&#039;t believe how much work has already been done on this topic. Or better put, how far down the road the process already is. Plenty of countries have already figured out that land carve-outs with non-democratic legal systems solve a lot of, um, problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds points. Can&#8217;t really argue with any of them. Still, it&#8217;s useful to know, as we think about SPZs and ZEDs and seasteads, how these things are being used now. And the answer is that they are being used as gigantic sweatshops where western companies can hide the horrendous conditions of their workers from their consumers.</p>
<p>These are the sorts of arguments that are going to come up down the road as Peter Theil-types make their case for land carve-outs to set up monarchies etc. Really I couldn&#8217;t believe how much work has already been done on this topic. Or better put, how far down the road the process already is. Plenty of countries have already figured out that land carve-outs with non-democratic legal systems solve a lot of, um, problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Laliberte</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-160762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryce Laliberte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 07:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The primary reason any sufficiently large conglomerate can afford to treat labor so cheaply is because it&#039;s so cheap. On a planet of 7 billion+, of which perhaps half could die tomorrow without seriously affecting production [give or take some market corrections and restructuring], it shouldn&#039;t be that surprising to find these edge cases. Every society in history, whether capitalist or communist, has tended to treat its excess population like shit. Just look at WW2 USSR, and the way it paid for its victory with overwhelming numbers of expendable lives.

If you want to solve the problem of labor being so cheap, you must let many people die.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary reason any sufficiently large conglomerate can afford to treat labor so cheaply is because it&#8217;s so cheap. On a planet of 7 billion+, of which perhaps half could die tomorrow without seriously affecting production [give or take some market corrections and restructuring], it shouldn&#8217;t be that surprising to find these edge cases. Every society in history, whether capitalist or communist, has tended to treat its excess population like shit. Just look at WW2 USSR, and the way it paid for its victory with overwhelming numbers of expendable lives.</p>
<p>If you want to solve the problem of labor being so cheap, you must let many people die.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-160691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 04:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope your Christmas was better than Whoville&#039;s.

http://drfaustusau.deviantart.com/art/How-Cthulhu-Ate-Christmas-275308489

Sadly, it&#039;s only a single panel, but note the link at the bottom to The Call of Cthulhu (for beginning readers).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope your Christmas was better than Whoville&#8217;s.</p>
<p><a href="http://drfaustusau.deviantart.com/art/How-Cthulhu-Ate-Christmas-275308489" rel="nofollow">http://drfaustusau.deviantart.com/art/How-Cthulhu-Ate-Christmas-275308489</a></p>
<p>Sadly, it&#8217;s only a single panel, but note the link at the bottom to The Call of Cthulhu (for beginning readers).</p>
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		<title>By: SanguineEmpiricist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-160681</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SanguineEmpiricist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 03:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Epidemology of representations, Dan Sperber &amp; Scot Atran will get you a decent amount of the way. See Taleb on transfer of inter-generational heuristics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epidemology of representations, Dan Sperber &amp; Scot Atran will get you a decent amount of the way. See Taleb on transfer of inter-generational heuristics.</p>
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		<title>By: pseudo-chrysostom</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-160668</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 02:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;plasticity

A Jewish anarcho-syndicalist MIT professor of linguistics and opportunistic political activist was teaching a class on Rene Descartes, known rationalist.

 ”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Descartes and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than me!”

 At this moment, a brave, patriotic, humanitarian Harvard behavioural psychologist who had conditioned over 1000 pigeons to compete in ping pong championship tournaments and understood the necessity of reinforcement and punishment for the creation of a Walden-like utopia and fully supported all breaches of research ethics made by J.B. Watson in the name of science stood up and held up a chimpanzee.

 ”How many signs does this chimp use to communicate, pinhead?”

 The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “None, language is innate and uniquely possessed by the human species, you stupid empiricist”.

 ”Wrong. It’s been 58 years since you published Syntactic Structures and plunged us into the dark age of cognitivism. If it was language was not simply a semiotic system among many and Universal Grammar, as you say, is real… then we would be speaking Hebrew now”.

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and his favourite Bill Cosby sweater. He stormed out of the room crying those anarcho-syndicalist crocodile tears, the same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they publish tracts condemning right-wing dictators and ignoring the atrocities of left-wing rulers in Peru, Angola, Pakistan, and Equatorial Guinea. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Noam Chomsky, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist anarchist professor. He wished so much that he could blame his actions on the environmental influence of the academic ivory tower, but he himself had argued against it!

 The students all predictably applauded at this positive stimulus that day and accepted B. F. Skinner as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Radical Translation” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and Willard van Orman Quine himself showed up and abolished all cognitive psychology departments across the country.

 The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He was sent to Guantanamo Bay for political subversion and was forced to watch looped footage of Foucault laughing at him for all eternity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;plasticity</p>
<p>A Jewish anarcho-syndicalist MIT professor of linguistics and opportunistic political activist was teaching a class on Rene Descartes, known rationalist.</p>
<p> ”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Descartes and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than me!”</p>
<p> At this moment, a brave, patriotic, humanitarian Harvard behavioural psychologist who had conditioned over 1000 pigeons to compete in ping pong championship tournaments and understood the necessity of reinforcement and punishment for the creation of a Walden-like utopia and fully supported all breaches of research ethics made by J.B. Watson in the name of science stood up and held up a chimpanzee.</p>
<p> ”How many signs does this chimp use to communicate, pinhead?”</p>
<p> The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “None, language is innate and uniquely possessed by the human species, you stupid empiricist”.</p>
<p> ”Wrong. It’s been 58 years since you published Syntactic Structures and plunged us into the dark age of cognitivism. If it was language was not simply a semiotic system among many and Universal Grammar, as you say, is real… then we would be speaking Hebrew now”.</p>
<p>The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and his favourite Bill Cosby sweater. He stormed out of the room crying those anarcho-syndicalist crocodile tears, the same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they publish tracts condemning right-wing dictators and ignoring the atrocities of left-wing rulers in Peru, Angola, Pakistan, and Equatorial Guinea. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Noam Chomsky, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist anarchist professor. He wished so much that he could blame his actions on the environmental influence of the academic ivory tower, but he himself had argued against it!</p>
<p> The students all predictably applauded at this positive stimulus that day and accepted B. F. Skinner as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Radical Translation” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and Willard van Orman Quine himself showed up and abolished all cognitive psychology departments across the country.</p>
<p> The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He was sent to Guantanamo Bay for political subversion and was forced to watch looped footage of Foucault laughing at him for all eternity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgaard</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-159421</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2014 02:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am now reading Extrastatecraft. THANKS for the recommendation. First useful book I&#039;ve picked up in like 6 months. I love the section on special economic zones. They are a lot more insidious -- and widespread -- than I thought. The author says 66 million people now work in these things. That&#039;s about the population of France. 

To a large degree these things are soul-less, extra-legal sweatshops. She brings up Foxxconn, the Asian plant from which workers were routinely leaping off the roof to their deaths in 2010. All the western branded products companies that outsourced to Foxxconn insisted it wasn&#039;t a sweatshop, and technically they are probably right, in the sense that the infrastructure was modern. But damn ... working 90 hours a week in a box putting widgets together, living in dorm conditions ... if that&#039;s not slavery what is? 

I&#039;m reading a book about care and feeding for your slave (set in Roman times) and the author makes the point that you as a slave owner need to make sure you give your slave some reason to live, else he or she may kill himself out of despair. That&#039;s what&#039;s happening in some of these SPZs.

So if 66 million people already live in these places, where exactly is the opening for a new neoreactionary city-state? Are they not going up already all over the world, funded by state money, and often mirroring existing cities? 

A month ago I was raving about the whole monarchic city-state to a friend of mine and she instantly dialed into the dark side: &quot;They&#039;re just gonna import workers, use them cheap, and shove them out the door at night to live in crummy conditions.&quot; I countered that the workers could create their own free city states ... but now I wonder. If these SPZs are really some sort of racket, why would the racketeers ever LET the worker drones create their own autonomous zone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am now reading Extrastatecraft. THANKS for the recommendation. First useful book I&#8217;ve picked up in like 6 months. I love the section on special economic zones. They are a lot more insidious &#8212; and widespread &#8212; than I thought. The author says 66 million people now work in these things. That&#8217;s about the population of France. </p>
<p>To a large degree these things are soul-less, extra-legal sweatshops. She brings up Foxxconn, the Asian plant from which workers were routinely leaping off the roof to their deaths in 2010. All the western branded products companies that outsourced to Foxxconn insisted it wasn&#8217;t a sweatshop, and technically they are probably right, in the sense that the infrastructure was modern. But damn &#8230; working 90 hours a week in a box putting widgets together, living in dorm conditions &#8230; if that&#8217;s not slavery what is? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading a book about care and feeding for your slave (set in Roman times) and the author makes the point that you as a slave owner need to make sure you give your slave some reason to live, else he or she may kill himself out of despair. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening in some of these SPZs.</p>
<p>So if 66 million people already live in these places, where exactly is the opening for a new neoreactionary city-state? Are they not going up already all over the world, funded by state money, and often mirroring existing cities? </p>
<p>A month ago I was raving about the whole monarchic city-state to a friend of mine and she instantly dialed into the dark side: &#8220;They&#8217;re just gonna import workers, use them cheap, and shove them out the door at night to live in crummy conditions.&#8221; I countered that the workers could create their own free city states &#8230; but now I wonder. If these SPZs are really some sort of racket, why would the racketeers ever LET the worker drones create their own autonomous zone?</p>
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		<title>By: Ex-pat in Oz</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-159234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ex-pat in Oz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Ex-pat in Oz&lt;/strong&gt;

Our humble guest room is yours whenever you are in the neighbourhood!  We&#039;re on the Northern Beaches, about 60 mins from CBD.  You would be treated as the Ur Lord of NRx you are!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Ex-pat in Oz</strong></p>
<p>Our humble guest room is yours whenever you are in the neighbourhood!  We&#8217;re on the Northern Beaches, about 60 mins from CBD.  You would be treated as the Ur Lord of NRx you are!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-159216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[South Island this time, largely at brother’s farm for manure jousting and stuff. (Seriously -- horses, chickens, dogs and cats everywhere -- total feudal-core regression.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Island this time, largely at brother’s farm for manure jousting and stuff. (Seriously &#8212; horses, chickens, dogs and cats everywhere &#8212; total feudal-core regression.)</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-159212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just NZ this time -- definitely looking forward getting to Oz down the road, though. My daughter’s best friend lives in your neck of the woods, which adds to the sense of destiny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just NZ this time &#8212; definitely looking forward getting to Oz down the road, though. My daughter’s best friend lives in your neck of the woods, which adds to the sense of destiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-41/#comment-159080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It isn&#039;t clear to me that Christianity is such an &quot;utter failure&quot;.  It seems like the best template we have for building institutions that can transmit Deep Heritage.  I want to figure out how it really works and what I can steal from it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t clear to me that Christianity is such an &#8220;utter failure&#8221;.  It seems like the best template we have for building institutions that can transmit Deep Heritage.  I want to figure out how it really works and what I can steal from it.</p>
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