Chaos Patch (#81)

(Open thread + links)

Dark to black. Cathedral maps (#1). Getting Buddhism right (viz). Cosmic cycles. Ego cults. Normalization. [Unauthorized information disclosure deleted.] The weekly round.

The crisis of Western authority. Re-industrializing America. Rules for cyberwar. Soros watch. Virtue signals. Hooked on crime. The monetary doom loop. The downward slide. Education proposals. Phase-change of the corporation. British military disgrace (1, 2).

Refugee catastrophe and opportunity. Europe’s crumbling elites. Chopping up Syria.

Left-side stories: Socialize the net (or in short). Bait-and-switch. “Let’s think in terms of Warm words and Cold words.” Read all about it.

Hoppe on Democracy, De Civilization, and Counterculture (video). The myth of market failure. Defending self-interest.

The Bitcoin computer. Quantum crypto-conundrums.

Hydro-theology. The Pope’s bargain (see also). Demystified beauty. “A general factor seems confirmed. I hereby dub it general religious factor (GRF).” Murder systems. Human turbulence. Why doesn’t Dawkins respect the Left’s human shields?

Techonomic tipping points.

Languages of the (near) future.

Genetics of empathy. Time-keeping proteins. Synbio update. The Mouse Utopia experiment. Visions of Pluto (and more). Climate of uncertainty (contra).

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  • Chaos Patch (#81) | Neoreactive Says:

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    Posted on September 27th, 2015 at 2:40 pm Reply | Quote
  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Lovely to be included in such a distinguished list of links! There seems to be a rising anti-capitalist sentiment as leftists double down on grievances, which enables them to blame a market vandalized by regulations for the resulting chaos. Create a problem, blame that problem on the enemy, then lead the sheep with promises of lands of milk and honey. Works every time.

    I’ve been reading this new source as well:


    Posted on September 27th, 2015 at 3:17 pm Reply | Quote
  • Ham Man Says:

    I am aware that nobody wants to hear the following statements.

    I believe in basic reason, simplicity, and rationality. I understand that these things are ultimately impossible to tie down. I’ll assume we vaguely agree that reason and rationality mean simply detaching from emotions and carefully considering ideas, statements, and sentences before our minds without accepting them or acting on them. We do this as friends with the innate respect for one another. This respect is part of what we talk about when we say “reason” or “rationality.”

    After reading the “bait and switch” Washington Post article, I feel I must say that any person who is still left believing that the Nazi regime was simply a completely insane, evil group of irrational psychopaths… is a person who is not being genuinely reasonable or rational.

    There is simply no question that this explanation of the Nazi is unfair, illogical, unreasonable, non-objective, and stupid. It’s bullshit.

    Their views, however incorrect, were certainly not simply purely insane. As a reasonable, rational person, one really must admit that he or she can see WHY they may have behaved in that manner. Much as one would never condone school shootings or other violent or “evil” acts in the full… One must really also admit that one can see WHY those people would commit such crimes.

    I certainly don’t trust or respect anyone who does not admit that they can understand why suicide or even the most horrid of acts may seem “understandable” on some level.

    Folks, it really shouldn’t take a rocket scientist to see why behavior like that seen in the Post article might attract REJECTION from European people. It should.

    Note that I have absolutely no disagreement that the Nazis were ultimately evil. What I am saying is that we might want to stop pretending that their ideas and perceptions simply arose like some kind of supernatural apparition in the bottom of their hearts… Some unseen superstitious “evil” force that compelled them toward their anti-semitic idiology.

    Of course this is touchy. Nobody here wants to admit it. I don’t either. I am merely compelling toward a more subtle mentality on this subject because it is annoying me.

    The problem with even beginning to walk down that “slope” is that it seems to “attach” you to condoning the massacre and genocide through murder of a people for their race. Absolutely not. This is not logical thinking and it should be ignored. It is purely emotional and has no basis in reality. One can agree that the Nazi party “may have had a reason to feel that way” while utterly condemning violent genocide, and while also supporting Israel.


    Mark Citadel Reply:

    You’re not saying anything that would be considered controversial in the Reactosphere at large. The National Socialists were wrong, and contained within their movement people with insane and essentially Modernist conceptions of the world, but this isn’t to say that their motives weren’t easy to understand in some contexts, or that all their ideas and criticisms were incorrect. This blacklisting which extends to all ‘right wing’ thought of the period is ridiculous, especially since there is no similar blacklist on left wing thought which at that time was about ten times more deadly in its consequences.

    But the entire conflict of WWII is over-simplified and misunderstood today across the board. Everything from the ‘gay holocaust’ which never took place, to conflating German anti-semitism with Eastern European anti-semitism (which had totally different causes). Few people have a clue as to why things occurred the way they did, and a large contingent of media and education elites have a vested interest in keeping it that way.


    Anon132 Reply:

    By the fruits of his labors, Hitler can be judged by the destruction and conquest of Germany, the slaughter of millions of German soldiers and civilians, and a legacy of crimes against humanity. He was a disaster for Germany and Europe. The Nazis could have saved Europe, they could have defeated the Soviets and liberated the people of the East. Instead, the Nazis plotted to murder them and steal their land after reducing them to slaves. That is nothing but evil.

    The thing I don’t understand about Nazi apologists is that it should be clear to everyone that the Nazis were not white nationalists but German nationalists. Their motivation for attacking fellow Europeans was not pan-European sentiment but the desire for land beyond what was rightfully theirs. Nazi apologists would actually be disdained by the very people they worship.

    I’m all for nationalism, and like others I have a hard time condemning fascism in general given the imminent threat of communism. But why the Nazis? Franco didn’t throw away millions of lives and was committed to Christianity. Pinochet also was great for Chile. There are better poster-children for fascism than Nazi scum.


    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    As with many historical questions about imperium it might suffice to say “Mandate of Heaven” and be done with it. NSDAP can be safely classified as a garbage regime on that basis alone.

    Morgan’s ‘Fascism in Europe’ argues that Franco was more of a reactionary than a fascist for reasons I can’t really recall now.

    People that dislike LKY’s Singapore have called him a fascist but perhaps a better word would be ‘authoritative’ (intended to contrast with ‘authoritarian’ and invoke more competence and legitimacy than the latter).

    Posted on September 27th, 2015 at 4:01 pm Reply | Quote
  • Mark Citadel Says:

    Thanks for the link, Nick. I’m currently reading an economist called Othmar Spann. Very interesting guy.


    Posted on September 27th, 2015 at 4:50 pm Reply | Quote
  • Chaos Patch (#81) | Reaction Times Says:

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  • freihals Says:

    Admin, your “The Hestia reading guide” link is 404 not found.


    admin Reply:

    Yes, thanks, I shouldn’t have linked that.


    Posted on September 27th, 2015 at 7:31 pm Reply | Quote
  • SanguineEmpiricist Says:

    So I guess i’ll be hanging out here a lot more then boys….. I just bought

    * De Sotos book

    * bought this, apparently a subjective non-bayesian approach to probability
    (put that one on my bookshelf for much later)

    *Scientific Inference, Jeffreys Harold

    email me a discussion or i’ll set up a slack or something, requirements: believe gdp exists as a metric


    Posted on September 27th, 2015 at 7:46 pm Reply | Quote
  • Erebus Says:

    The Dampier article at “Re-industrializing America” is not only true, it’s simple — so simple that a 12 year old could understand it. American politicians and policy-makers, however, seem to be wholly incapable of grasping it, even in the slightest. In fact, they do everything possible to make an already bad situation worse; they answer bad regulations with still more regulations. It’s truly becoming impossible to manufacture anything in America, as Jim has been saying for a while.

    Dampier glossed-over the tax segment of his article. The way I see it, the answer is simple: Minimal personal/income and corporate taxes. No tax on the importation of goods and raw materials. Ramp up the property tax. This will stimulate innovation, keep the middle class happy, and the government will still receive significant amounts of cash. Hell, the rich pay far more in property taxes than the poor, so even the social justice crowd should be able to get on board with this.
    …Hong Kong is already on this model, and it works extremely well. (But perhaps that has something to do with the Chinese obsession for buying real estate…)


    michael Reply:

    you realize the middle class in the nyc suburban areas pays 10-20 a year in property tax on a average home to live vibe free.And this is getting worse as progressives see suburbs as sources of income for cities invalidating their sovereign incorporation.and of course huds plans to occupy them.
    re industrialization is a great idea


    Exfernal Reply:

    That would make more of the rich to transit to trust fund system.


    Erebus Reply:

    @michael, exfernal

    I’m certainly no economist — far from it! — but I happen to live under such a system, and I think that it works well. The low corporate tax, combined with a zero-percent tax on the importation of wares and raw materials, makes this place a destination for business. It also makes entrepreneurship easy. The low income tax has obvious benefits for skilled laborers in manufacturing. The (very) high property tax was designed to not only bring the government income, but also to moderate real estate prices. The government has actually gotten quite rich by this scheme & is running a surplus. It doesn’t seem to have succeeded in driving down home prices, though.

    It’s really important to note is that homeownership is hugely important in China, from the social and cultural points of view. Many women won’t consider marriage to a man who isn’t a homeowner, and all successful people, past a certain age, are expected to own property. So if a high property tax can work here, it can work in America, “the American Dream” notwithstanding.

    …The net result of all this here, in any case, is a favorable environment for business. Milton Friedman once said that “property tax is one of the least bad taxes” — and, through experience, I have come to believe that he is correct.

    (Aside: I’m a renter. I have a good reason for this: There’s an additional one-time 15% property tax on property sales to foreigners and mainlanders who have been in the country for less than seven years — and this, even on a mid-range apartment, comes out to over $200k. Makes buying a bad investment, if you’re not a local.)


    Exfernal Reply:

    What are the trust laws in your system? Do they pose an easy way out of property taxation? You don’t have to own the home you live in as long as you can live there free of any related concerns.


    Alrenous Reply:

    Revealed preferences.
    American policy makers are perfectly aware they could reindustrialize, which is exactly why they aren’t doing those things. They’re paying off their power bases somehow by keeping factories away.


    Erebus Reply:

    I am inclined to agree with this.

    As the wretched and poor are also able to vote, the question of cui bono? becomes an easy one to answer: The power base of the inner-party is interested in the expansion of the welfare state to the exclusion of all else. (See also what Dampier wrote about the welfare-crowding effect.) The welfare state is, necessarily, the paternalistic regulatory state.
    …This seems to be one of modern Democracy’s many failure-modes.


    Posted on September 27th, 2015 at 8:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • pyrrhus Says:

    The article on Mouse Utopia, obviously written by someone with little knowledge of genetics or evolution, contains a bundle of ideas that cannot survive the test of basic science, though that was excusable in 1972. The notion that MU’s extinction effects were based on overcrowding is an assumption, not an experimental finding. Almost certainly, MU led to a rapid buildup of mutation load which doomed the colony. The notion that restricted reproduction could reduce mutation load, or even happen, is ridiculous, The result of this dumb idea is the modern world, rapidly falling apart. And Calhoun’s notion of space colonies siphoning off excess population is simply innumerate, due to the staggering amounts of energy required to move even a few people to other planets. That’s also true for Elon Musk’s notions….


    Posted on September 28th, 2015 at 4:34 am Reply | Quote
  • Lucian of Samosata Says:

    That Aaron Clarey is a bit lacking in psychological insight. The government didn’t bail out the banks because it believed intervention would solve the problem. It bailed out the banks because doing so suited the Happy Merchant, who was able to thereby get the goyim taxpayers to cough up more shekels.


    Yvjrolu Reply:

    NRx and the rest of the alt right does seem to have a weakness for knocking down the lame surface rationalizations for prog actions.


    Posted on September 28th, 2015 at 8:02 am Reply | Quote
  • michael Says:

    Not a tech so i cant say anything specific and its not the only idea we have seen but the bitcoin as security anonymous protocol and google killer is really important. The fact is unless something radically changes we have already crossed the event horizon and all will be sucked into the cathedral there will be no collapse any so called collapse will simply be a crisis to exploit as far as they are concerned. China and Russia are not coming to the rescue though its comforting to hope they will. like its comforting to think Trump Le Farge or Le Pen will but they wont because no one can gain any traction as long as the GOOGLE NSA SJW Cathedral deep state can monitor censor suppress and control all communication, and publication any anti cathedral efforts come with a cost too high to build consensus and eventually will be outright banned as in europe. The Cathedral is very close to being able to suppress speech entirely and outlaw privacy but theres a small window still where enough leftists also value privacy and speech that a technology that could defeat cathedral control would be quickly adopted. if communication could be secured identities protected and censorship suppression and curation of media by the likes of FB google twitter etc then a lot is possible including a march through the cathedral


    Posted on September 28th, 2015 at 3:07 pm Reply | Quote
  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    California just held a 4 day Mad Max themed convention in the desert.

    CA will be the first to go, so this makes sense. Just check out these pictures!


    Posted on September 28th, 2015 at 5:25 pm Reply | Quote
  • AugustusPugin Says:

    Thought I would point out that NIOreaction’s site is currently down or being redirected. Hope it isn’t permanent.


    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    He said he might take it down and just write on social matter, citing “Lack of returns from neoreaction”.


    admin Reply:

    Patience was never his greatest virtue.


    Posted on September 28th, 2015 at 11:53 pm Reply | Quote
  • SanguineEmpiricist Says: Very cool check this out “XOR is turing complete, compiles C into all XORS”.


    Posted on September 29th, 2015 at 7:52 am Reply | Quote
  • Mark Warburton Says:

    Just read Ed West’s brilliant Essay on Asabiyyah – and if there was any doubt he’s not a covert NRXer (we already established he’s a fan of Moldbug(, he dedicated it to HBD Chick! It’s a great read:

    I’ll be starting up my blog come November. I’ll be looking at the Cathedral-like influence the Hong Kong Free Press is trying to exert over there, while reporting more generally on its political and economic state-of-affairs.


    Posted on September 29th, 2015 at 12:29 pm Reply | Quote

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