Chaos Patch (#82)

(Open thread + links)

Hestia’s website redesign. Blacklist. The XS pole. Lessons of aristocracy. Amerika online. Meme war. A propertarian reading list. The weekly round.

Religious roots of the Cathedral liberal elite. Aggressive sensitivity (exemplified, and also). Women broke capitalism. Academic rot.

Resilience of the Singapore provocation. How China sees Africa. “Arab Spring has predictably been an utter disaster.” Policy delirium. “I cannot overstate the damage Islam did to Western civilization.” Slaughter in SA.

Musk’s secret plan. Capitalism against commerce.

HBD blog top (actually pop) 23. Inheritance of executive function. Basics of race realism. Why the controversy? Smarts are scarce. Science-as-hate-fact.

Raspail speaks (noted, and also relevant). Death by demography. The fear. Madness in Germany (1, 2). Immigration and social order (or the opposite). The Bible on refugees.

Does religion exist? Religion and economic performance. “A part of us likes the idea of humanity ceasing to exist altogether.” Protestant Buddhism.

Climate complexity.

Great Filter nightmare fuel. Water on Mars (plus some practicalities, and a recollection). AI @ work?

Abnormal economics. McCloskey on Marxism. Assimilated futures. Meaning and pointing. Internet craziness.

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  • Chaos Patch (#82) | Neoreactive Says:

    […] By admin […]

    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 11:20 am Reply | Quote
  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Great list of links and I am appreciative to be among them. The Orthosphere piece talks about something many of us have noticed, which is that the modern atheist/liberal deathcult is more liberal than atheist, and more interested in destruction than any kind of accountability such as long life or even an afterlife can provide. To them, living on is hell.


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 12:45 pm Reply | Quote
  • Zimriel Says:

    I’m glad for the Hestia redesign. The old site’s menu-dropdown was broken; very unprofessional, especially for a team that has self-identified as a bid for aristocracy.


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 2:26 pm Reply | Quote
  • Zimriel Says:

    Speaking of bad links: Musk’s secret plan is 404. And is timing out.


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 2:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • Chaos Patch (#82) | Reaction Times Says:

    […] Source: Outside In […]

    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 2:54 pm Reply | Quote
  • Xoth Says:

    I recall reading the death numbers in SA during Iraq II, and found that they were higher than what was reported in Iraq.

    Speaking of SA, I can also highly recommend RW Johnson’s How Long Will South Africa Survive (2015 edition). Apart from documenting the decline, he notes that ANC under Zuma has managed to introduce what is a traditional Zulu chieftain on top of society, to the wild applause of progs of course. Many practical lessons for NRx in this work if you read it mindfully (though I suppose for one thing we should try to be rather less corrupt).


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 3:23 pm Reply | Quote
  • Alrenous Says:

    That Techcrunch thinks an interesting thing is about to happen is an almost airtight proof that it isn’t going to happen.

    The reason we should stop protecting everyone’s feelings is that we pray shams may cease. I don’t, in fact, care about your feels, and you don’t care about mine.

    This, also, is a place for Exit. The core pathology is the idea it’s okay to force someone to be associated with you. Naturally, if you do so force them, it behooves you to care about their feelings, because it’s otherwise very easy to link to slavery. Just as naturally, sociopaths ju-jitsu this so-called decency* to empower themselves. (So-called as it’s based on radical indecency.) The empowered sociopaths then force the weak to respect the feelings of the strong, directly contrary to the intentions of the so-called decent.


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 5:43 pm Reply | Quote
  • vxxc2014 Says:


    Yes that’s IT exactly. @Admin Eldritch. The Eldritches of NRxn.

    Of course when I hear a Prog mention democracy I remember that like Trotsky it’s only within the Party.


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 5:50 pm Reply | Quote
  • Lucian of Samosata Says:

    “Singapore’s authoritarian government works as magnificently for Singaporeans as Sweden’s social democracy works for Swedes.”


    Zimriel Reply:

    That doesn’t sound good for Singaporeans.


    Yvjrolu Reply:

    Change the “for” to “with” and it would be bearable.


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 6:35 pm Reply | Quote
  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Upon reading the Migration links I realize that the Western Left’s solutions are worse than the USSR’s.

    Surely the GULAG Rotherham is worse than Siberia.

    The Soviet slaves faced death. We only face scorn.


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 7:29 pm Reply | Quote
  • NRx_N00B Says:

    “Raspail speaks (noted, and also relevant). Death by demography. The fear. Madness in Germany (1, 2). Immigration and social order (or the opposite).”

    How is it that entire armies of Cathedral policy wonks only see these issues as easily resolvable “challenges” and not “imminent death”. It ain’t rocket surgery, it’s kinda intuitive.


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 8:27 pm Reply | Quote
  • Yvjrolu Says:

    Eye catching comment on the “XS pole” article.

    “This has been eye-opening. I am of Chinese extraction, and every time I read about this neoreaction, it sounds very close to the underlying current of East Asian pragmatism, even up to the transhumanism.

    Until now I’ve always thought it miraculous how a few white guys managed to arrive independently at such a similar conclusion in just a decade. I did not know about one of its founders’ early experiences in China, which suddenly makes a lot more sense.

    However, unlike pragmatism in the Far East, neoreaction has not gone through refinement, and is still beholden to the basic constraints of Western thought. Progress, as defined by Western Enlightenment values, is not progress. It is at best an improvement of societal comfort, and at worst a form of societal regression. True progress is one of greater wealth (and wealth disparity as a result), greater technology, leading to the expansion of human occupied space, an increased harnessing of resources, and the eventual amelioration of the species through artificial modification. Under the correct definition of progress, values such as equality, tolerance, compassion, safety, comfort, happiness etc, are merely variables to be optimally adjusted for serving the aforementioned goals, not infallible virtues to strive towards. You only need enough compassion to keep society from cohesive, enough happiness to prevent revolt, enough safety to maintain productivity. This concept is important because both Western proponents and critics of neoreaction fall into the trap of justifying/criticizing it based on the less important values.

    The purpose of technocratic social hierarchy in pragmatic nationalism is to advance humanity through competitive inequality and tangible, objective gains. Society are most stable when males and dominant majority groups are privileged. Ethics is secondary. Freedom is irrelevant. Peace is stagnation. Monarchy is the worst form of government, except all the other forms we’ve tried. Even if such an authoritarian system were to cause great suffering to myself or my family in exchange for overall progress, the idea should still be pursued.

    The Western world is mired in angst over fairly trivial social causes, as is common for affluent societies. Dogmatic religious morality has been replaced with dogmatic humanist morality under the guise of progress, also predictable. Both positions are backwards, and hold undue sway over the rest of the world. Therefore, the downfall of egalitarianism and democracy should not to be feared, but welcomed as a step towards the future. “


    Erebus Reply:

    “Monarchy is the worst form of government, except all the other forms we’ve tried.”

    I agree with the message, but not with the way it has been phrased here. What should be emphasized is the fact that Democracy is utterly alien to Asia. It has never been something that the masses desire. As the brilliant reactionary Hayashi Fusao wrote:

    “What was the Meiji Renovation? It was a Restoration (fukko). The model loyal activists (shishi) had in mind was not France or the United States. The original form the shishi held in their head was Japan’s antiquity. It was a classless time, when people directly served the emperor.”

    These days Japan is East Asia’s only functioning democracy — and there are two things about Japanese democracy that need to be pointed out.

    First is that “democracy” to the Japanese doesn’t mean “democracy” as we currently understand it in the west. The word has never implied social equality or egalitarianism; instead, it is generally used to mean “consensus” or “anti-factionalism.” There’s a traditionalist current which runs throughout Japan which means that “consensus” will likely not include mass Muslim migration or other obviously deleterious Cathedral initiatives.

    Second is that even this was imposed by the United States by force. At the time, most of the populace was too focused on daily survival to protest, but Japan’s greatest men were united in opposition to Democracy (and Universalism generally) as something alien, disgusting, and out of keeping with tradition.

    “Therefore, the downfall of egalitarianism and democracy should not to be feared, but welcomed as a step towards the future.” Very true.

    (Fusao has an interesting theory which is worth mentioning: He claims that the USA was encroaching upon and slowly colonizing Asia. That the Meiji restoration and Japan’s subsequent modernization and rearmament were a defensive reaction to this. Lastly, that Japan’s actions in the second World War were entirely defensive, and actually prevented the further American colonization of Asia. By which he means, primarily, China.
    …Some of the details don’t stand up to scrutiny, but the conclusion bears thinking about.)

    Aside: Nobody alive writes as poorly as McCloskey.


    Posted on October 4th, 2015 at 11:04 pm Reply | Quote
  • John Says:

    That XS Pole article was subtly supportive. Am I to believe that Nick wants the total destruction of humanity by an AI which will both absorb and destroy us, because to want otherwise would not be compatible with beliefs about natural selection?


    Jefferson Reply:

    That was my takeaway from that link as well. I’m skeptical, however, since it seems to contradict admin’s track record WRT procreation.


    Eternal Apparatchik Reply:

    [Head on spike. “Damn! I’m sure he must have been saying something really interesting.”]


    Posted on October 5th, 2015 at 12:19 pm Reply | Quote
  • Tryptophan Says:

    George Osborne implements patchwork


    Posted on October 5th, 2015 at 12:33 pm Reply | Quote
  • Blogospheroid Says:

    A question aimed at the future primeval group , especially Harold Lee, but the entire community please feel free to contribute thoughts.

    I got a slightly clashing vibe while reading some of the posts there.

    There is a post (Of culture wars and Mongol hordes; Of immigrants and kings) mentioning that the pioneering and manliness spirit gets inevitably lost with time.

    There is also posts (value of being cavalier, why study aristocracy) which say that what our current society lacks is true aristocracy. Even the richest are not confident enough to be eccentric and produce true creativity. There is no one that is truly free.

    My point is that these seem to be a slight contradiction in a particular dimension. If people are comfortably subsidised, then do they become decadent as is implied in the former mentioned posts or do they become capable of creativity as implied in the latter posts? The former is a loss, the latter is a gain. When they are forced to work, are they keeping their knives sharp as the former or are they being assimilated into corporate dronitude as the latter imply?

    Your thoughts are appreciated.


    Posted on October 5th, 2015 at 3:00 pm Reply | Quote
  • Mark Warburton Says:

    More comedy from the academy.

    “Caroline Lucas and Gabrielle Riches (Leeds Beckett) argues that folk metal, through its lyrics and stage clothes centred on myths of warriors, preserves an old-fashioned power structure where white, male Europeans are superior.”


    John Hannon Reply:

    No doubt this would be more to their liking – (literally) true black metal –


    Mark Warburton Reply:

    ‘Normalising’ masculinity and whiteness was the phrasing that shocked me.


    Shenpen Reply:

    That’s why I am in such a dilemma. I am not sure I like the music, but I see them basically as a popular movement which is already in a pre-reactionary state and thus quite likeable folks. So I like the people there while unsure about the music.

    But for the music… symphonic metal like Rhapsody of Fire is clearly bullshit – it is a joke compared to real symphonic music and yet it makes the whole thing too gooey. OTOH the tougher stuff like Wolfchant is more to my liking, but could those guys please learn to sing instead of growling? 30-50% of growling is OK (Enslaved, say) but when the singer never sings at all, as in the case of Wolfchant, that is too much for me.


    Mark Warburton Reply:

    I didn’t get that from the metal circles of the late 90s early 00s at all. There was a smattering of right-wingers, but on the whole, metallers, especially the females, (shock!) were progressive. It didn’t matter what sub-genre of metal. Even the strands that have White Power lore.


    Erebus Reply:

    I was involved in the Black Metal scene from roughly 1998-2005. The people involved with that particular subgenere didn’t strike me as being progressive or liberal. If I had to define an average position, generally, I’d characterize it as being straightforwardly conservative /w a fetish for Fascist symbols and aesthetics. There were some genuine Nazi types, but not very many. (The scene was definitely less overtly racist than MPC or /pol/ are today.)

    Philosophically, Black Metal seemed to stress particularism as opposed to universalism, nationalism as opposed to internationalism, irrationalism as opposed to rationalism.

    With respect to the first point, most bands — notably Ulver, at the time, and Emperor — promoted a brand of Satanism that was little more than particularism and individualism with anti-Christian iconography. Black Metal was, by definition, “satanic” — but this was, by and large, simply an interpretation of Nietzsche. (The deplorable trend of “Orthodox Satan Worship” went into high gear around 2004, with Deathspell Omega and their many copycats, and I subsequently lost interest in the Black Metal scene. It didn’t help that its best years for music were 1995-1997, and that it has been all downhill ever since.)

    As for the second, bands were generally designated based on country of origin, especially when they were not from Scandinavia. This led to faddish trends: A “USBM” trend, a “French Black Metal” trend, and so on. I suppose that most of these bands were patriotic — at least in the sense that they would firmly emphasize their country of origin.
    (Of course this was not always the case. I remember when somebody from “Judas Iscariot” — a US Black Metal outfit — burned an American flag on stage while touring in France. This must have been around 2004, when the US war in Iraq was at peak intensity. It is worth noting as I recall that the flag burning actually made some American fans really upset, which strikes me as being quite funny today.)

    Lastly, needless to say, the fundamental aesthetics of Black Metal are nonsensical. There has never been anything serious about it. It’s basically a Chaotic Evil Dungeons and Dragons aesthetic. (This got on a lot of people’s nerves, and led to an absolute shit-ton of sophism and psuedointellectualism. I most admired bands which embraced the nonsensical and fundamentally childish aspects of Black Metal, like Summoning.) And of course the whole “orthodox Devil worship” thing stands as a profound example of anti-rationalism.

    …But politically progressive? Nah. I don’t think I ever even spoke with a liberal. At the same time, however, there weren’t any reactionaries either. Those who weren’t politically naive tended to be on the weak center-right of the political spectrum.

    I never gave a damn about other sub-genres. I wouldn’t be surprised if things were different with them.

    Having said all that, the industrial/power electronics “scene” is innately inclined towards fascism and extreme right wing political thought, and also attracts a better caliber of person than metal does.

    nydwracu Reply:

    I don’t pay attention to the ~metal scene~, but I do run across a lot of people who are aligned in the right direction who listen to black metal.

    As for the second, bands were generally designated based on country of origin, especially when they were not from Scandinavia. This led to faddish trends: A “USBM” trend, a “French Black Metal” trend, and so on. I suppose that most of these bands were patriotic — at least in the sense that they would firmly emphasize their country of origin.

    The thing everyone misses about Liturgy is that it’s a nationalist project: the frontman thinks USBM is too Scandinavian and ought to break away and stand on its own two feet.

    Of course, he’s an Ivy grad living in Brooklyn, so his idea of what America is is totally wrong — in what fucking universe could a nation be nothing more than a placeless, abstract ideal? — but at least there’s something going on. The only danger is that his errors might catch on.

    Cascadia, of course, has its own thing going on. I think it’s all unlistenable garbage, but I’m from the opposite part of the country.

    Erebus Reply:

    I stopped paying attention to “the scene” around ’05 or ’06. It looks like Liturgy formed around 2008 — so I hadn’t heard of them prior to today.

    …So I had to look ’em up. I very quickly found this, which is a good example of Black Metal’s fundamentally comic and childish aesthetic giving rise to pathetic and counterfeit “intellectualism.”

    Despite appearances to the contrary, the document at that link appears to be entirely serious. It reads like a cross between a jargon-laden academic paper of the Frankfurt school, a piece of automatic writing, and a teenager’s classroom report. What’s more, every assertion it makes is wrong. (“Black Metal is Scandinavian” and “Black Metal is the blast beat” are both utterly false. Geography has nothing to do with anything, and the only thing that seemed to really unite Black Metal from the 1990-2004 period was a Satanic aesthetic in lyrics and imagery. Musically, there were many Swedish Death Metal acts that sounded just like what we called “melodic” Black Metal — but those groups lacked the Black Metal aesthetic, and didn’t lean on Satanic lyrical themes, so they weren’t BM.)

    In general, people made much more of the sub-genre than it merited. It was subject to over-analysis (e.g. “Lords of Chaos”), and it received far too much negative media attention. All it was, essentially, was Gangster Rap for white kids.

    …But it never had anything to do with liberals or progressives, that’s for damn sure. Two illustrative incidents stand out: Bard Eithun of Emperor stabbed a homosexual to death in 1992, and this earned him a lot of Black Metal “street cred.” A few years later, Jon Nodtveidt of Dissection was involved in the murder of an Algerian homosexual. (At the time, the story went that the Algerian was a Gypsy — either way, no tears were shed over the dead guy, but there was some chagrin when Jon was sent to prison.) Of course, Nodtveidt earned a lot of “street cred” for that as well. There’s something authentic about murderers who sing about death. In any case, the community harbored absolutely no love for minorities, for homosexuals, for Communists, or for any other liberal totem.

    I don’t know what the Black Metal “scene” is like these days. Presumably, it’s a great deal worse than it was in the past. As far as the music is concerned there hasn’t been anything new or interesting since 1998. Even “Avantgarde Black Metal” was old hat by then. (For instance.) Ah, when one considers the fact that all of the genre’s greatest albums are nearly 20 years old, one inevitably comes to the conclusion that it is a stiff corpse.

    …And that is why there’s no danger that Liturgy’s nonsense will catch on. I don’t think that there’s any danger of anything catching on. Black Metal was that period from the early 90’s until roughly ’98. It was moribund long before Liturgy came into existence, and whatever they’re doing has no connection to it. Can’t reanimate a corpse.

    (This is one of the good things about Reaction. We can be certain of the fact that its best days are ahead of it.)

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  • Mark Warburton Says:

    Maybe on closer inspection, within specialised groupings, you’re right – but I never belonged to those sub-genre cliques, just a more general one that listened to anything from Nu-Metal to Slayer.. and dabbled in more mainstream Black Metal like Dimmu Borgir and that band with Danny Filth.. There were leftist links in our ‘alternative’ clique to rap rock (RATM etc.) and punk (NOFX etc.) also. Then there was the Straight-edge Canterbury scene.. and although a lot of their values are almost religiously inspired, they were Greens and multiculturalist. I was once take to a pub in High Wycombe where there was suggestion of a far-right clique of BMetallers who went to gigs there, but that’s as close as I came to right-wing music groupings in my younger years.


    Erebus Reply:

    That matches up exactly with my own experience. The Black Metal scene along with the very small Power Electronics community were basically right-wing. (Some were more extreme than others, and many were mealy-mouthed moderates, but there was no progressive element.) Punk and Grindcore fans skewed pretty far to the left — often into Antifa, straightedge, and Chomskyite territory. I never liked those guys. Every other sub-genre was somewhere in-between, mixed, or undefined.

    With respect to that article you posted: It actually surprises me that “folk metal” isn’t much more fascist/Nazi/racist than it is. It certainly could be, given the ideals it seems to venerate and the aesthetic it has adopted. The way I see it, the authors of that article have nothing to complain about: Folk metal is as inoffensive as it could possibly be, and is almost entirely apolitical. If that changes, things might get a bit more interesting.

    (What’s also surprising is that many of the explicitly Nazi acts, like Branikald, are from ex-Soviet countries. Never made any sense to me.)


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  • Blogospheroid Says:

    Ribbonfarm released a real gem.


    Posted on October 7th, 2015 at 5:24 am Reply | Quote
  • Mark Warburton Says:

    @Mark Warburton

    The Black Metal theory link is very entertaining. Hahaha. ‘Haptic Void’, indeed!


    Posted on October 7th, 2015 at 5:11 pm Reply | Quote

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