Chaos Patch (#83)

(Open thread + links)

Division of power. On theonomy (relevant?). Hitler proliferation. Existentialist hell (+ if you need another reason to read Amerika). Getting Dampier into trouble (1, 2, 3). Origin of pro-social institutions. Time preference. Neocolonial on exile and fealty. Credibility problems. Strange loops. The weekly round, and doom.

Scruton interviewed. Unpopular libertarians. Demo-politics of ZIRP.

Too big to fail. The politics of immigration catastrophe (1, 2). Hitting the buffers. Extrastatecraft (is happening). Jews and modernism. The end of empire.

Diversity in tech is a nonstory. Irritable Asians in America. You can’t say that!

The absolute mathematics of life. The future of human evolution. Ethics of human intelligence enhancement. Cosmic reproduction strategies. Synthetic biology. Water, an appreciation.

Milo being Milo.

October 11, 2015admin 25 Comments »
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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    The mentions are much appreciated, as is the excellent selection of links. I might add that this has been a week of acceleration as visible images of the empire’s decay have shown up: immigrants pouring over the walls, the USA hosing it in Iran and Syria and getting cucked by Putin, and ongoing troubles in American and European government that suggest both that government has failed, and that most citizens no longer have hope of the situation improving. Trump momentum and Merkel downfall spur on this process. And those who prophesied these collapse indicators are only gaining in public interest and trust…

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  • OLF Says:

    Protestant degeneracy

    “Two (relatively) recent essays describe the current American political landscape as a degenerate successor to Protestantism.”

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  • Chaos Patch (#83) | Reaction Times Says:

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  • Shlomo Maistre Says:

    Something wholly under-appreciated in the NRx community are the counter-Progressive, perhaps counter-intuitive, and in some ways Reactionary trends in Israel. High and rising birth rates, public veneration of the warrior ethos, strict enforcement of stringent immigration laws, increasingly nationalistic youth, growing religiosity, and public celebration of an ethnocentric nationalism. Israel is an anomaly in the modern Western world.

    What explains these trends? Anything besides destiny?

    What will be the likely consequences of these trends?

    The Reactionary right (especially of Europe) will increasingly find Israel’s interests aligned with its own. Israel will serve as a beacon; a symbolic, effective, and important ally in the struggle against barbarism, Islamism, multiculturalism, and moral relativism.

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    Yvjrolu Reply:

    If I understand right, Israel is different in that a large fraction of the population are born into ultra orthodox sects. Imagine if 30% of the US population was Amish, except they were OK with voting and other forms of “political action.”

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    Shlomo Maistre Reply:

    @Yvjrolu

    Yes that factor explains some portion of Israel’s high birth rate, but it does not explain all of its high and rising birth rate. For example, look up the dati leumi which is represented by the Bayit Yehudi.

    In any case, most of the trends I noted occur in spite of the Ultra-Orthodox – not because of them.

    The Ultra-Orthodox community constitute a large and growing burden on the Israeli economy because their men neither serve in the IDF nor work; once they are forced to work and/or join the IDF, the Israeli economy and its nationalistic ethos (fused with religiosity born of the providential truth of Judaism) will both undergo further acceleration.

    When the Ultra-Orthodox watershed shell breaks, the trends I noted will further accelerate.

    It looks like Israel, this tiny nation of 8 million people, will be the first nation to land on the moon using privately funded spacecraft. (look up the XPrize)

    Israel is the future – of technology, of economy, of Reaction.

    As Joseph de Maistre, the Reactionary par Excellence, would say – the primary obstacle NRx faces in achieving anything concrete in the real world it that it’s too well-planned, excessively argued, too thoroughly debated. This is not necessarily its downfall (though it may be) but it is at the very least a symptom of smallness, of deliberation, of triviality. Greatness stems not from deliberation but from purposeful improvisation; stern yet experimental action; necessity.

    Israel, I can tell you from first-hand experience, indulges in no such trivialities as excessive debate or excessive planning – perhaps by the grace of necessity, which might be spelled H-e-z-b-o-l-l-a-h or d-e-s-t-i-n-y.

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    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    “High and rising birth rates, public veneration of the warrior ethos, strict enforcement of stringent immigration laws, increasingly nationalistic youth, growing religiosity, and public celebration of an ethnocentric nationalism.”

    For Israel. Everyone else is morally obliged to embrace open borders and forego anything resembling sovereignty. I wonder what explains this asymmetry… Hmm…

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    Shlomo Maistre Reply:

    “For Israel. Everyone else is morally obliged to embrace open borders and forego anything resembling sovereignty. I wonder what explains this asymmetry… Hmm…”

    Everyone else [Europe?] is morally obliged to embrace open borders and forego anything resembling sovereignty – according to who?

    Answer: the people of Europe.

    Evidence: their actions.

    I don’t hear Netanyahu clamoring for third world migrants to further infest Europe. I do hear Angela Merkel saying so, though. Hm……………

    Don’t worry, when you anti-Semites wake up and decide to work with the Jews of Israel we will be here to supply you with the technology, money, and spine that you so sorely lack. lol

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    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    Be careful what you say. Once the Barbara Spectres of the world have succeeded in destroying Europe with weaponised dindus you might find you have no more hosts left to inhabit. Such an outcome would not be promising given your historical experience.

    an inanimate aluminum tube Reply:

    “Everyone else [Europe?] is morally obliged to embrace open borders and forego anything resembling sovereignty – according to who?

    Answer: the people of Europe.”

    What about… the Cathedral?

    It’s funny how we sometimes forget about the Cathedral, when it is convenient.

    There’s also… the U.S. government, who has a lot of say in what Europe is obliged to do.

    M. Reply:

    Have you actually checked to see whether Israeli Jews think everyone else should open their borders, or…?

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    Shlomo Maistre Reply:

    @M.

    The vast majority of Israelis I have spoken to about this think that other nations should not open their borders.

    Have you?

    M. Reply:

    My question was for Lucian. My personal experience is similar to yours.

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    Oh, that’s right, the Frankfurt School and the author of the Morgenthau Plan were New England Puritans. My bad.

    admin Reply:

    If this descends any further into stupid, tedious wrangling and snark, I’m going to take the meat ax to the comments. Do this BS in the chans.

    D. Reply:

    “For Israel. Everyone else is morally obliged to embrace open borders and forego anything resembling sovereignty. I wonder what explains this asymmetry… Hmm…”

    Netanyahu and Likud voters aren’t advocating for the countries of Europe to abandon sovereignty to the European Union and allow mass immigration of Muslims. Nor are Israel Beitenu voters, who are ex-Soviets contemptuous of leftist ideas. Nor are the National Religious and their Jewish Home party. Nor are the Haredi and their two parties. Nor are the centrist Kulanu and Yesh Atid parties, nor even the bulk of the Labor party. This might be true of far-left Meretz and a far-left fringe of Labor, but these also advocate suicidal policies for the State of Israel.

    The fact of the matter is that Germany in 2015 is more dominant in Europe than at any time since 1944, and the German government — backed by a large majority of voters — is only too eager to destroy the peoples of Europe, albeit by different methods than last time. Of course, this is also related to the broader trends and structures termed the Cathedral, but the Germans seem to have a special desire for Selbstvernichtung that’s the obverse of the desire to be the Herrenvolk.

    The same forces that push open borders in Europe and America have for decades placed pressure on successive Israeli governments to adopt similarly ruinous policies. That the Israelis have offered more resistance than Europeans and Americans is taken, by a certain sort of person, as evidence that Israelis are the masterminds behind these forces.

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    M Reply:

    “Destiny” my donkey. Israelis are touchy about their borders because it’s a very immediate concern for them, is all. In all other respects they are as pwned as all other “Western” peoples, if not more (the “ultra-orthodox” are, by and large, infectious zombies as far as the society is concerned; the secular public is as progressive-mind-killed as anywhere, Tel Aviv is a serious purple-hair weirdo reservation, the chattering class is mentally residing in New York with all that implies, etc).

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    D. Reply:

    Demography is destiny, in Israel as in any other country that is fundamentally a democracy. You make an excellent point that the security threats faced by Israel are much more immediate and obvious than those faced by other Western countries. This greatly contributes to the success of right-wing political forces, and in my opinion is a large part of the explanation as to why Israel is an anomaly, rather than “destiny” or something intrinsic to Judaism.

    Nonetheless, over the long-term, the differentials in birth rates between the various religious and political groupings among Israeli Jews ensures that the left-wing, secular forces will decline while the right-wing or religious forces increase. Yes, the Haredim have the highest birth rates, but they’ve gradually been drifting rightward in politics and becoming more economically involved, slowly moving closer to the National Religious who were politically centrist in Israel’s early years but now very much on the Right. This is accompanied by an immigration policy drastically different from the Western norm, one in which immigrants strengthen Israel and, if anything, tend to be more right-wing than the native population.

    I don’t think it’s impossible for other Western countries to establish similar demographics and immigration policies. Australia might already be close.

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  • fnn Says:

    The good news for the healthy element of the Goyim is that Trump has publicly called Merkel “insane.” Experience shows that this sort of event is infinitely more important than public opinion polls.

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  • Scharlach Says:

    Lolz at the last quote in the Asian Americans link.

    “It took the Jews half a century to get where they are,” he adds. “I hope it doesn’t take us that long.”

    Were that everyone on the identity politics circuit were so candid.

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  • Mark Warburton Says:

    Milo is a WMD of a troll. SJWs have cognitive meltdowns whenever he confronts them…. it’s sugar-laced popcorn everytime.

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  • Shlomo Maistre Says:

    “Netanyahu and Likud voters aren’t advocating for the countries of Europe to abandon sovereignty to the European Union and allow mass immigration of Muslims. Nor are Israel Beitenu voters, who are ex-Soviets contemptuous of leftist ideas. Nor are the National Religious and their Jewish Home party. Nor are the Haredi and their two parties. Nor are the centrist Kulanu and Yesh Atid parties, nor even the bulk of the Labor party. This might be true of far-left Meretz and a far-left fringe of Labor, but these also advocate suicidal policies for the State of Israel.”

    Absolutely correct.

    But anti-Semites will never let mere facts get in the way of their conspiracy theories.

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  • Shlomo Maistre Says:

    @an inanimate aluminum tube

    “Answer: the people of Europe.”

    What about… the Cathedral?

    It’s funny how we sometimes forget about the Cathedral, when it is convenient.

    There’s also… the U.S. government, who has a lot of say in what Europe is obliged to do.”

    Point taken. You’re right. Though the people of Europe don’t seem particularly passionate about stopping the Cathedral. Israelis are far more vociferous in their opposition to mass migration than, say, the people of Germany or most European countries for that matter. YMMV

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  • Exfernal Says:

    Re: the ‘mathematics of life’ article.

    From my perspective I would rather say that I am the dance of atoms than the heap of atoms.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    I’d rather be a body without atoms.

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