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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-path-2/#comment-6212</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Northanger - I was looking at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzpSdM3GWaE&amp;sns=em&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;circadian clocks&lt;/a&gt; and came across the&lt;a href=&quot;http://kiamagic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ouroborus&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=7371&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; following&lt;/a&gt; (useful in relation to previous Swinburne/Egypt and Time discussions?):

&quot;The scarab [Milky Way navigator], the holy “ball-roller” of the Egyptians, embodies the self generating T-shaped [cf. Mercury/Hermes&#039; caduceus], hermaphrodite principle of Sun-Osiris and Moon-Isis. Both, the Ouroboros and the Scarab are an expression of the &#039;hen to pan&#039;, the eternal transformation [0 1?] of the Ever Unchanging.&#039;&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Northanger &#8211; I was looking at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzpSdM3GWaE&amp;sns=em" rel="nofollow">circadian clocks</a> and came across the<a href="http://kiamagic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ouroborus&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=7371" rel="nofollow"> following</a> (useful in relation to previous Swinburne/Egypt and Time discussions?):</p>
<p>&#8220;The scarab [Milky Way navigator], the holy “ball-roller” of the Egyptians, embodies the self generating T-shaped [cf. Mercury/Hermes&#8217; caduceus], hermaphrodite principle of Sun-Osiris and Moon-Isis. Both, the Ouroboros and the Scarab are an expression of the &#8216;hen to pan&#8217;, the eternal transformation [0 1?] of the Ever Unchanging.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-path-2/#comment-5489</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 06:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Request new chaos patch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Request new chaos patch.</p>
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		<title>By: northanger</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-path-2/#comment-4677</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[northanger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 08:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@fotrkd
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.xenosystems.net/miltonic-regression/#comment-3576&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bicameral minds.. Caliban.. Cambions&lt;/a&gt;.. 
&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameralism]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@fotrkd<br />
<a href="http://www.xenosystems.net/miltonic-regression/#comment-3576" rel="nofollow">Bicameral minds.. Caliban.. Cambions</a>..<br />
&gt;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameralism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameralism</a></p>
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		<title>By: Francis St. Pol</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-path-2/#comment-4657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis St. Pol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 19:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you seen Urbit?

http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen Urbit?</p>
<p><a href="http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html" rel="nofollow">http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Francis St. Pol</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-path-2/#comment-4656</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis St. Pol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 18:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Longtime Dark Enlightenment lurker here. Just started a blog and I thought I&#039;d give a shameless plug since this is a chaos patch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longtime Dark Enlightenment lurker here. Just started a blog and I thought I&#8217;d give a shameless plug since this is a chaos patch.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-path-2/#comment-4610</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 03:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Progressivism pretends to be order based on a fundamentally flawed anthopology.  It has set itself more ore less against every natural hierarchy that has arisen in the history of man (husband:wife :: parent:child :: master:servant :: ruler:subject :: Christ:Church :: cleric:layman) which over vast epochs of trial and error and adaptation solve deep social problems--the types of social problems that (as I like to say) do not have &quot;closed form&quot; solutions.  

To substitute for this, Progressivism attempts to technocratically and rationally regulate everyone&#039;s free and equal pursuit of his own conception of good in a purely unbiased manner. But it is impossible for one man&#039;s freedom NOT to bump up against another&#039;s.  It does so at practically every turn.  We are not atomic individuals.  We live in families and communities, work, learn, worship, and play in mediating institutions--which foster natural and deep loyalties that are sand to the gears of the Progressive system... 

So in order for Progressivism to work by its own neutral and rational prescriptions, it basically has to dissolve (preferably slowly as with frogs in the pot) all the natural human hierarchies and insinuate itself in their place by a whole host of gimmicks.  But tearing down of hiearchies is per se anarchic, i.e., entropic.  And while the Cathedralized society attempts to bring order to increasingly deracinated and atomic individuals, it cannot fundamentally meet human social needs because that is not how humans &lt;em&gt;really are&lt;/em&gt;.

So my vote: Progressivism == Anarchy == Entropy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progressivism pretends to be order based on a fundamentally flawed anthopology.  It has set itself more ore less against every natural hierarchy that has arisen in the history of man (husband:wife :: parent:child :: master:servant :: ruler:subject :: Christ:Church :: cleric:layman) which over vast epochs of trial and error and adaptation solve deep social problems&#8211;the types of social problems that (as I like to say) do not have &#8220;closed form&#8221; solutions.  </p>
<p>To substitute for this, Progressivism attempts to technocratically and rationally regulate everyone&#8217;s free and equal pursuit of his own conception of good in a purely unbiased manner. But it is impossible for one man&#8217;s freedom NOT to bump up against another&#8217;s.  It does so at practically every turn.  We are not atomic individuals.  We live in families and communities, work, learn, worship, and play in mediating institutions&#8211;which foster natural and deep loyalties that are sand to the gears of the Progressive system&#8230; </p>
<p>So in order for Progressivism to work by its own neutral and rational prescriptions, it basically has to dissolve (preferably slowly as with frogs in the pot) all the natural human hierarchies and insinuate itself in their place by a whole host of gimmicks.  But tearing down of hiearchies is per se anarchic, i.e., entropic.  And while the Cathedralized society attempts to bring order to increasingly deracinated and atomic individuals, it cannot fundamentally meet human social needs because that is not how humans <em>really are</em>.</p>
<p>So my vote: Progressivism == Anarchy == Entropy.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hannon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 00:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobel chemistry laureate Kary Mullis not only thinks AGW has no scientific basis, but is equally dismissive of the belief that the release of chlorofluorocarbons destroys the ozone layer, pointing out that &quot;beyond the lack of any scientific evidence, it makes no sense anyhow that we could destroy ozone in the upper atmosphere. If a hole in the ozone layer appeared somehow, here&#039;s what would happen: The UV rays from the sun would come through that hole and strike the Earth&#039;s atmosphere, where they would be absorbed by the miles-thick layer of oxygen surrounding the Earth. Then it would make more ozone. When the UV rays from the sun combine with oxygen, they form ozone. The ozone thus formed absorbs UV light, which continues to come from the sun, and prevents it from penetrating any further into the oxygen below that has not been converted to ozone. That is why we have oxygen to breathe down here and ozone in the upper atmosphere. If all the nations of the world agreed to spend all of their money to eliminate the ozone layer - they couldn&#039;t do it.&quot;

So why was such an unscientific belief ever given any credence? Mullis merely notes &quot;the amazing coincidence that the American patent on the production of freon, the principle chlorofluorocarbon used in refigerators and air-conditioners, expired at just about the same time freon was banned. Those countries that had begun producing freon without paying for the privilege were asked to stop. And a new chemical compound, a commercial product that would be protected by patent, would soon be substituted and make a lot of money for the company that produced it.&quot;

He can only conclude that &quot;scientists who speak out strongly about future ecological disaster and promote the notion that humans are responsible for any changes going on are highly suspect.&quot; But thankfully, &quot;They still wear priestly white robes and they don&#039;t do heavy labour. It makes them easier to spot.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobel chemistry laureate Kary Mullis not only thinks AGW has no scientific basis, but is equally dismissive of the belief that the release of chlorofluorocarbons destroys the ozone layer, pointing out that &#8220;beyond the lack of any scientific evidence, it makes no sense anyhow that we could destroy ozone in the upper atmosphere. If a hole in the ozone layer appeared somehow, here&#8217;s what would happen: The UV rays from the sun would come through that hole and strike the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere, where they would be absorbed by the miles-thick layer of oxygen surrounding the Earth. Then it would make more ozone. When the UV rays from the sun combine with oxygen, they form ozone. The ozone thus formed absorbs UV light, which continues to come from the sun, and prevents it from penetrating any further into the oxygen below that has not been converted to ozone. That is why we have oxygen to breathe down here and ozone in the upper atmosphere. If all the nations of the world agreed to spend all of their money to eliminate the ozone layer &#8211; they couldn&#8217;t do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>So why was such an unscientific belief ever given any credence? Mullis merely notes &#8220;the amazing coincidence that the American patent on the production of freon, the principle chlorofluorocarbon used in refigerators and air-conditioners, expired at just about the same time freon was banned. Those countries that had begun producing freon without paying for the privilege were asked to stop. And a new chemical compound, a commercial product that would be protected by patent, would soon be substituted and make a lot of money for the company that produced it.&#8221;</p>
<p>He can only conclude that &#8220;scientists who speak out strongly about future ecological disaster and promote the notion that humans are responsible for any changes going on are highly suspect.&#8221; But thankfully, &#8220;They still wear priestly white robes and they don&#8217;t do heavy labour. It makes them easier to spot.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chevalier de Johnstone</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-path-2/#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chevalier de Johnstone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 22:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Survivingbabel,

Can you expand on the idea that Progressivism is entropy, rather than as Thales seems to be asserting an alternative form of order?  Or if Thales isn&#039;t, I will assert that, though I&#039;m willing to be convinced otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Survivingbabel,</p>
<p>Can you expand on the idea that Progressivism is entropy, rather than as Thales seems to be asserting an alternative form of order?  Or if Thales isn&#8217;t, I will assert that, though I&#8217;m willing to be convinced otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Chevalier de Johnstone</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-path-2/#comment-4605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chevalier de Johnstone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 22:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Thales&lt;/strong&gt;

Disagree.  Order is order and entropy is entropy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Thales</strong></p>
<p>Disagree.  Order is order and entropy is entropy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chevalier de Johnstone</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-path-2/#comment-4604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chevalier de Johnstone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 22:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, the neoclassical utilitarian economic solution to the Tragedy of the Commons is Ostrom&#039;s.  The classic solution to the Tragedy of the Commons is, &quot;Love thy neighbor.&quot;

Agree AGW is the new sale of indulgences for the gnosticism of the modern Cathedral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the neoclassical utilitarian economic solution to the Tragedy of the Commons is Ostrom&#8217;s.  The classic solution to the Tragedy of the Commons is, &#8220;Love thy neighbor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agree AGW is the new sale of indulgences for the gnosticism of the modern Cathedral.</p>
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