Chu on this

Arthur Chu wasn’t prepared to put in the work to write the worst NRx-denunciation screed yet, but he’s done his best. Too many absurd errors to enumerate, and AC proudly declared on twitter that life’s too short to bother with right-wing garbage like facts. Still, the spreading menace has reached The Daily Beast now. (They just can’t stop themselves.)

(In context it’s easier to recognize that “nodding thoughtfully at racists” is a cute way of saying ‘reading stuff’.)

ADDED: This (from the article) is morbidly intriguing:

I’ve known who Moldbug was since he was just starting his career of intellectual trolling … […] I’ve known about the “neoreactionaries” a lot longer, before they were given that name—back when they were just teenagers on the Internet, like me, furious that there were people less intelligent than us who dared tell us what to do. […] I never bought into the ideology fully, but I understand its appeal.

A smidgen of identification? Careful Arthur, that could be very dangerous.

ADDED: More on JT at The Daily Dot. (Still more, at Twitchy.)

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  • E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Says:

    The Ebola/Evola thing is an auspicious pun, as all puns are.

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  • Max Says:

    lol, what a dumb chink, i thought they were supposed to be smart XD

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    nyan_sandwich Reply:

    Now now, we don’t engage in contentless slurs around here. Please mind the tone so that we don’t attract idiots.

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    admin Reply:

    Thanks.

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    Max Reply:

    of the three, which would you say that you found most offensive about my comment:

    a) lack of content
    b) racial slur
    c) tone

    on a related note, which do you think is most likely to attract idiots

    and why don’t you want to attract idiots

    also what is an idiot

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    RorschachRomanov Reply:

    The ‘tone’ was set by the obvious absence of content. Speaking for myself, I’m not opposed to a well placed, satirical ethno/racial jab, but the problem with your post wasn’t that you jabbed and missed the target, but the swing refracted back and succeeded in contacting your own face.

    No, this is not some puerile hyper-sensitivity on display, some faux moral outrage, far from it, it’s literary disgust. Your crass slur, in the absence of anything approaching wit, satire, or even light hearted banter, was Neanderthalic.

    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Right, so if Max had said, “It appears there is a Chink in the high-IQ armour of Arthur Chu”, then that might be acceptable. Or perhaps “Arthur Chu has turned the the collective leftist gasp over neoreaction into a Chinese Firedrill.”

    Neoreaction is not so much against racism as it is trying to improve it.

    Max Reply:

    RorschachRomanov, i hope you’ll forgive me for Noticing that you have neglected to answer even one of the questions that i posed. your unwillingness to engage in productive dialogue – preferring instead to engage in status signaling – is deeply offensive and speaks to the degree that your cishet white male privilege interferes with your capacity to relate to members of historically oppressed groups such as myself.

    also you are a gigantic faggot. lol

    Max Reply:

    “Neoreaction is not so much against racism as it is trying to improve it.”

    to be more precise, i’d say that certain members of #NRx are not so much against “racism” as they are against crass or low-status behavior. they’ve managed to carve out a thede where “racism” is not low-status so long as it smells different from the sort they grew up being taught to hate and despise. but they still feel a deep aversion for the kind of thing my initial comment represents.

    hipsters gonna hipster

    Ambacti Reply:

    In my experience, being a polite and socially well adjusted adult generates an aversion to the kind of that thing that your initial comment represents. For example, I think that racial slurs were considered just as uncouth at the SS staff meetings for the planning of final solution as they are here.

    nyan_sandwich Reply:

    An idiot is anyone who doesn’t offer insight.

    As for which is most important, the combination is what we observed, and that particular combination is evidence of idiocy. We have no need of idiots, so we discourage behaviors correlated with idiocy.

    >as they are against crass or low-status behavior

    Correct. We are classist as well as racist, because being crass and low-status is a very good predictor of being an idiot.

    JCB Reply:

    What happens when a Valvert tries to troll a Bergerac?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEacXeAbHpQ

    bbq beast Reply:

    I thought it was a funny joke. Juvenile and easy, but funny.

    Max Reply:

    “In my experience, being a polite and socially well adjusted adult generates an aversion to the kind of that thing that your initial comment represents.”

    oh absolutely. you’ll hear no argument from me.

    but pray tell: what Thing is this?

    if i may be so bold: i think the Thing to which you refer is Noticing that our cherished place in the hierarchy of civilization is no longer so secure as it once was – that the time of Bloodletting draws near, and when it comes, we will find ourselves united and divided by things that *ought not matter,* because we see ourselves as more than mere apes. and so, perhaps, we are. but not for much longer.

    slurs (not necessarily racial) become popularized most rapidly during times of war and conflict, because they help members of the competing tribes to dehumanize the Other. this allows our psyches to justify atrocities which we might otherwise be incapable of.

    chink. kike. nigger. spic. people who use words like these are low-status, because they demonstrate (that they perceive) themselves to be in *competition* with these groups, rather than comfortably above such petty squabbling.

    “The center cannot hold!”

    “Who are not interested in war, but war -“

    Max Reply:

    “An idiot is anyone who doesn’t offer insight.”

    seems a bit broad, no? with what frequency must one offer insight in order not to be thought an idiot? and must (s)he (ze?) offer it to the whole world, or will only a corner do? in offering insight, does a person transform from idiot to non-idiot, or do they thereby demonstrate that they were never an idiot in the first place?

    “As for which is most important, the combination is what we observed, and that particular combination is evidence of idiocy.”

    yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man

    “We have no need of idiots, so we discourage behaviors correlated with idiocy.”

    it is this claim with which i most vehemently disagree, and i’m pleased at convincing you to make it so forthrightly. perhaps the time will come when idiots are not needed, but it hasn’t yet.

    you not only need (lots of) idiots, you also need them to be the *right kind* of idiots – angry and violent. fortunately, idiots as a rule are pretty malleable. if you don’t know how to make idiots angry and violent, you aren’t much of a man.

    “We are classist as well as racist, because being crass and low-status is a very good predictor of being an idiot.”

    i have no problem with elitists or elitism. just make sure to figure out which values you’re optimizing for. this is especially important if you hope to *replace* one set of decadent aristocrats with another (hopefully less decadent) set.

    puritans spawned progressives. progressives spawned NRx. but they also spawned a bunch of other bastard children, and very few get to grow up and replace their parent – most are slain in the crib. if you want to grow up and sit on the throne, you’d best learn to sympathize with and look fondly upon those you hope to rule, else ye’ll be no better than a tyrant.

    elitism, like so many things, is amoral. it can be a tool for good or evil. the creation and enforcement of standards of thought and behavior can be a truly noble thing. but do not thoughtlessly adopt the morals of your (recent) forebears – having a healthy respect for tradition is less useful when your traditions have been getting uprooted by every new generation for the past couple of centuries.

    admin Reply:

    @ Max — I’ve seen where comment threads can go, and I’m extremely reluctant to tolerate similar devolution here. There are plenty of places on the Internet to blow off steam. If you can exercise some restraint here, your contribution is — of course — very welcome.

    Max Reply:

    “I’m extremely reluctant to tolerate similar devolution here.”

    devolution? from where i’m sitting, this thread seems to have started at the bottom and has been getting better ever since.

    Alrenous Reply:

    I’m all for persecuting the idiotic, but in this case ‘don’t feed the troll’ seems to be more relevant, given the length of this comment thread.

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    Max Reply:

    hi Alrenous,

    i have read the entirety of your blog. i thought it was very good. thanks for writing.

    Alrenous Reply:

    Well, that was unexpected. However, I also find it incredible, as in lacking credibility. You’re welcome to prove me wrong, of course.

    Max Reply:

    i have no interest in proving you wrong. the statements were factual, and the gratitude genuine. that is all.

    Max Reply:

    this brief exchange reminded me of another brief exchange

    http://rezzealaux.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/void/#comments

    Ambacti Reply:

    “but pray tell: what Thing is this?”

    I think that it is emotion. Words infused with hostile emotion for the purpose of instilling emotional response. Use of racial slurs is considered a sign of low social status because elites are better capable of concealing and suppressing emotions.

    If you want to make a case for why the readers here should orient themselves for or against the interests of the North East Asian race, we would love to hear it. Do not bother appealing to emotions, you will find them in short supply here.

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  • Postnietzschean Says:

    I love how these kind of articles never even attempt to refute neoreactionary ideas, and instead construct elaborate ad hominems.

    Maybe it’s the Left’s old Marx/Freud obsession that makes them try to sociologize or psychoanalyse their oppnent’s ideas away (“angry at the undeserving poor leeching off of their wealth”, “a chip on their shoulder against one facet of the modern world or another”, “a hierarchy of book smarts and technical skill”, “a closeted admiration for hierarchy and power”, etc). Or maybe that’s the only way they ever learned to argue.

    Nydwracu had a good post on this recently: http://nydwracu.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/the-fins-of-cthulhu/

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Yes. I got that same impression. The backdrop of the article was an immense tapestry of Freudian and Authoritarian Personality pseudo-science. Not only was the content of neoreactionary thought left unexamined, so was the backdrop.

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    Stirner (@heresiologist) Reply:

    So a guy named Chu wrote a slanted article?

    Knock me over with a feather!

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    Rasputin Reply:

    The direction of history slopes to the Left…

    Antisthenes Reply:

    It wouldn’t be going to far to call this yellow journalism, really.

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  • John Says:

    Every time a leftist speaks the name Mencius Moldbug a neoreactionary nazgul get its wings.

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    VXXC Reply:

    LOL LOL LOL Nrxnzagul gets its’ scaled wings…

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    Magus Janus Reply:

    time to pull out my ubernerd credentials: the nazgul are NOT the flying beasts from the movie. The Nazgul are the Nine, the men who put on the rings and became wraiths, servants to the Dark Lord.

    The winged beasts are NOT Nazgul, but rather referred to as “fell beasts.”

    You may now return to your normal “got laid in high school” programming.

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  • Nick B. Steves Says:

    The title of this post is itself horribly racist. Way2go!

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  • RorschachRomanov Says:

    Or,

    It appears our friend from the Orient has bitten off more than he can Chu.

    No? Well then,

    Arthur Chu, fresh out of China, has failed to translate the language of Gnon- lucky for him, Gnon, always the hungry one, finds him Gnon-appetizing.

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    VXXC Reply:

    Yeah me too. Pudgy little twerp. Why do they arrive off the boat as ready made Commissars?

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  • Wyrd Says:

    Ah, Chu, again he proves he’s nothing to sneeze at.

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    Max Reply:

    lol, *upvote*

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  • Kgaard Says:

    Yeah he is getting close to making some sort of intellectual switch-of-sides. Otherwise he wouldn’t be digging so deeply into this stuff. I didn’t know Justine Tunney was a tranny — but that makes a LOT of sense. I could not understand how Tunney’s big recent essay could have come from the hand of a woman. Nothing about it was feminine.

    Back to Chu and converts … a friend of mine is a hard-core pro-Israel Jew in Brooklyn. We used to go at it hammer and tongs on Facebook, with him taking all the lefty positions. But this Israel/Gaza thing has caused him to have some kind of conversion as well. No more open borders talk. No more peace/love/happiness. Now he is all anti-arab all the time. Perhaps a change is afoot?

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    Max Reply:

    “Yeah he is getting close to making some sort of intellectual switch-of-sides.”

    is he? how much you wanna bet?

    “Otherwise he wouldn’t be digging so deeply into this stuff.”

    chu digging is exactly what it appears to be – opposition research.

    “Perhaps a change is afoot?”

    change is always afoot, but don’t let your limited perspective fool you. that you don’t know anyone who voted for Nixon won’t preclude him from winning.

    things are not about to get better.

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  • Chu on this | Reaction Times Says:

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  • R. Says:

    Yeah he is getting close to making some sort of intellectual switch-of-sides.

    Oh god. No…

    Really. Chu’s anti-charisma is best appreciated from afar.

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  • Hard Right Says:

    “if the men’s rights agenda they champion didn’t end up leading to the occasional mass murder.”

    Talk about deliberate distortions.

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    VXXC Reply:

    No kidding. Occasionally? And he means Columbine.

    They have no idea what’s coming. Instinctual dread suborned by ProgThink. So much the better.

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  • hughdecroft Says:

    He’s just mad because his run on Jeopardy ended when he blew an exceptionally easy question about the British Monarchy.

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  • Izak Says:

    I love this Chu guy. He’s more fun than a barrel of monkeys. If he didn’t exist, surely NRx would have to have invented him.

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    Bryce Laliberte Reply:

    For all intents and purposes, we may as well have. #AAA

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    Izak Reply:

    Hey I’m now looking at this twitter thing and I’ve got a question. Why is this Jordan Bloom guy so outraged at this Chu guy for smearing Moldbug? Didn’t Bloom basically do the exact same thing to Richard Spencer from the NPI in an earlier article from Daily Caller? It’s hard not to see both Bloom and Chu as two journalistic hacks engaging in high-internet drama.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Principle: humans are petty until proven otherwise.
    Principle: untrained humans rationalize, they don’t reason.
    Principle: moderns are encouraged to be hypocritical.

    I haven’t looked at Bloom at all. How am I doing?

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    Izak Reply:

    Horribly! Obviously I didn’t want you to actually answer my question as stated; I wanted you to assuage my concerns by going, “There, there. There, there.” How can I go to sleep at night knowing that almost-semi-mainstream political internet journalists could act in ways less than 100% ethically consistent?

    Alrenous Reply:

    +1

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  • TomScott Says:

    I don’t know if “Max” is a troll or not – I suspect that he is entirely sincere about the necessity to dehumanise other races and in looking forward to a race war in which plenty of violent idiots will get to enjoy themselves.

    It’s easy to see why he feels a bit peeved at the chilly reception extended to him on this blog, frequented as it is by people such as “Ambacti”, who sees SS officers planning the final solution as exemplars of “polite and socially well adjusted adults”. And presided over by someone who makes no secret of the fact that he sees war and violence as being central to the future that the Dark Enlightenment is doing its best to usher in.

    Some advice for Max. To win friends here, its safer to refer to “HBD” rather than “ch*nks”, “n*ggers” etc. They’ll know just what you mean, but will be more comfortable if they can dissociate themselves from the distressingly lowbrow tone of such language

    And if you’d like to hymn a future full of spilled blood, don’t forget to include a reference to Cthulhu, Gnon or perhaps William Burroughs. This will make you seem more like an intellectual and less like a thug.

    Hope that helps.

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    nydwracu Reply:

    cool troll broxha

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    admin Reply:

    Polite society approved responses:

    “The future isn’t full of blood and war, but light, love, and social justice®.” (Idiocy), or:
    “The future is full of blood and war, and that’s really, really terrible.” (Pointless moral signalling.)

    I’ve not any interest in either, but if there’s still some vacuous sanctimony left in the tank, I guess it’s tolerable (if you maintain civility).

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  • VXXC Says:

    “Neoreaction is not so much against racism as it is trying to improve it.”

    well that’s a great line.

    I’m following the max thing closely here.

    And since people keep bringing up content can we have a definition of content ? Other than I can’t argue with you?

    There’s spleen and bile aplenty from the Declasse Caucasian crowd of letters here that’s utterly lacking in content. It’s just Hipsters being Hipsters.

    As for Bergerac he backed it up, as perhaps max would. This is Hipster snobbery. What was done to earn it? People here advocate eugenics, genocide, the extermination of the human race and object to “chink.”

    As to SS refined speech: What little we have of SS internal communications indicates they spoke like soldiers and Officers at war, their mission being genocide. There’s not much to work off, but no they didn’t carry on business like bloggers. In fact it reads much like German Officers war accounts of the same period. They just happen to have had a different mission. [this does not constitute my endorsement]. Hitler’s Commissar Order is certainly far less colorful than say the back-story for one of our precious LARP video games.

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    Chris B Reply:

    I think the real issue is it was ungentlemanly. Attack the issue, not the man, even if he is a prat (also note – be nice to journalist criticizing NRx – we need to encourage not discourage). Max’s further contributions though were OK in my opinion for what that’s worth. Best to dust it off like men and move on.
    On a further point – “it is this claim with which i most vehemently disagree, and i’m pleased at convincing you to make it so forthrightly. perhaps the time will come when idiots are not needed, but it hasn’t yet.”

    I completely disagree with this point. It’s something I want to address in a post in the near future. There seems to be a understandable reversion to appealing to the masses. Don’t. That’s a leftwing game through and through. You are not getting them on yourside. I might even go as far as to say it is democratic…

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    VXXC Reply:

    Even if the talents here were in picking up the Jawbone there would be a question of numbers.

    However NRxn is having quite effective results with the Almighty’s weapon of the Red Pill, Analytics, and the now manifest creeping NRx into mainstream right.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    +1

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    Max Reply:

    “I think the real issue is it was ungentlemanly. Attack the issue, not the man…”

    from whence did this conception of “gentlemanly” conduct stem, do you think? can it be sustained when The Anarchy comes? more importantly – will continuing to abide by this code of gentlemanly conduct make it more or less likely that we will all be destroyed?

    “It’s true that people want to be good. Perhaps we should expect them to flock to the good side, outnumbering the evil. On the other hand, when we remember the phenomenon of positive camouflage, and see that most who do evil think of themselves as doing good, it’s hard to take this seriously. And moreover, actual good has to be actually good, whereas evil by definition is capable of anything. If the military advantage is anywhere, it would seem to lie with the latter.”

    “There seems to be a understandable reversion to appealing to the masses. Don’t. That’s a leftwing game through and through. You are not getting them on yourside. I might even go as far as to say it is democratic…”

    sneering at popular support is a surefire way to artificially handicap an idea’s Impact, and one wonders whether those grapes are actually sour after all.

    do not confuse appealing to the masses with flattering them. there is nothing inherently democratic about whipping up support from the lower classes, particularly if the idea around which you energize them is self-disenfranchisement.

    the only way a democracy can peacefully abolish itself is via a vote. every other method requires massive amounts of violence. interestingly, fools can be useful tools in violent conflicts. so either way, if your hope is to abolish the Modern Structure, you are going to need lots of warm bodies on your side.

    i am not a fan of violence (though i am prepared for it), so even if the prospects of persuading lots of people seem dim, i am willing to try. the best possible outcome, from my point of view, would be if all of my beliefs about the inevitability of democracy’s decline were proven WRONG – if by some miracle the ship managed to right itself, and we all began bathing in the milk and honey of progressive paradise. the second best would be if we managed to peacefully abandon this abomination of a governing system and restored the stuarts.

    but if there is a war (and i expect there will be), then i fucking well intend to help my side win. “Attack the issue, not the man…” is not how wars are won.

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    Antisthenes Reply:

    This is why /pol/ exists.

    admin Reply:

    “… can we have a definition of content ?” — Try and cooperate. We’ve got the best comments environment on the Internet here, these things go down the crapper almost inevitably, no one knows confidently how to stop that happening. At the very least, it requires people taking some sense of responsibility, appreciating what we’ve got, and not succumbing to their own worst impulses. I’m sure you see that, so what’s the point in being difficult about it?

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    VXXC Reply:

    Well I can quite live with that. BTW I deliver commerce content so that’s why I wanted to nail it down.

    Now while Admin appreciates this, others may not: The Hands that built Civilization and defended it..the hands that carved each exquisite sounding board of La Fenice but also manned Venetian War Galleys came from men like Max, as well as me and mine. [my personal stumps could never scratch out a Fenice sadly]. They built the Pyramids, they Built the Hagia Sofia, they built the buildings in this country until the 1930s and our peak architecture of Art Deco.

    Now they are being exterminated and slowly, of course they’re angry.

    It is the productive and effective course of NRxn to feed the Red Pill, Analyze and continue to seep thru the cracks in the Overton Window of mainstream thought and this is God’s work for NRxn. But understand the rage of men like Max, and me. For not even Chinghis or Timur ever slew skilled artisans, even if the entire City was to be slain they were set aside. The slow extinction of the skilled artisan by social democracy and it’s crime, welfare and most terrible the slow death of those angelic skills whilst they waste away on the dole which is the most loathsome part of all of it, such crimes as not even Timur could countenance, such waste had to await “Progress”.

    Remember that when one is feeling superior to the putatively ordinary. For it’s in Evil only, the crimes of Progress would turn Timur pale or Chinghis Khan’s eyes round. They were born with muted but angelic skills, the born Progressive is conceived in the Evil I here name does murder them.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Remember that when one is feeling superior to the putatively ordinary.

    I don’t think we’re superior. Rather, we’re normal, and the ordinary are severely degraded and corrupted. By some fluke, we have resisted the forces that destroyed them.

    But understand the rage of men like Max, and me.

    Here’s an interesting problem.

    I’m on record in favour of authenticity, forthrightness, and calling things by their right names. Also against idiocy, intemperance, lack of content, and pointless aspersions.

    But, then, how to express fury? If you are in fact in a frothing, incoherent rage, the first principles say you should write frothily and incoherently, but this runs into the brick wall of the second.

    admin Reply:

    If anyone is feeling incandescently furious, please go and work the edge off it in some other comment section, and then come back here when you’ve calmed down.

    House Rules: Your emotional state is of minimal interest here.

    And @Max, VXXC, you’re both here, neither of you have been banned, or even had a comment deleted, criticism has been extremely slight and directed entirely to tone, can we please stop making a mountain out of this molehill, seriously chill right down, and use this space for calm discussion of whatever topics people find of interest. That really doesn’t seem to be asking a lot.

    Alrenous Reply:

    @admin

    Consider that you’re partly responsible by means of bringing Chu in here in the first place.

    admin Reply:

    Mr Arthur Chu is our honored guest, to whom we extend nothing but the most impeccable courtesy.

    Puzzle Privateer (@PuzzlePrivateer) Reply:

    [quote]I don’t think we’re superior. Rather, we’re normal, and the ordinary are severely degraded and corrupted. By some fluke, we have resisted the forces that destroyed them.[/quote]

    Yeah I have to agree with this. It’s a feeling I’ve had for a long time. It’s not that I’ve gone around thinking “I’m so much better than these plebs” but rather “what the hell is wrong with these people?”

    Alrenous Reply:

    Judging by your twitter feed, Land, you have an odd idea of ‘courtesy.’ I can’t tell if you’re mainly making a joke or trying to dodge responsibility. If the latter, then at least Gnon will be amused when it happens again.

    @Puzzle Privateer

    As an example of someone who’s just better than I am, http://www.structuredprocrastination.com/light/justice.php Writes about exactly what I want to write about, but doesn’t come off like an asshole.

    He is absolutely entitled to look down on me. He’s probably too good for that, though.

    His relationship to me as a human is nothing like mine to a voter’s. I find it useful to keep this in mind for perspective.

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  • VXXC Says:

    Of course Admin is right.

    Now of course we shouldn’t draw St0Rm_Fr0nT here.

    I still believe in names not groups. I’m not after Chinese for instance, but Dear Chew might need a puss adjustment. But admin’s right, let’s not fly into a froth.

    BTW I think thoughtful men might be more aroused by the slow destruction of the hands that built civilization then say WN and the ST0rMFrent crowd.

    I am pointing out and quite justly that no snobbery is justified. At all. Free them and save civilization then we can quite get to looking down at them afterwards. Before Coriolanus [of Shakespeare anyway] denounced the Proles of Rome he bore many scars defending Rome. Ahem.

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  • VXXC Says:

    @Alrenous,

    I wouldn’t describe my Tragedy of La Fenice as incoherent. Yes max’s initial comment was. That’s his instincts and they’ll serve him better then his following humble eloquence.

    Now you did write –“I don’t think we’re superior. Rather, we’re normal, and the ordinary are severely degraded and corrupted. By some fluke, we have resisted the forces that destroyed them. ”

    Nothing Superior there, oh no. Quite modest.

    Elites are the forces that have somewhat degraded and corrupted them. The ordinary don’t for instance program their own TV, and so on. They are only you know partially degraded and corrupted – I’ve seen when the ordinary are at the thresholds of Noah’s God. This is bad, but you can turn the set off. So many of them do. Not yet destroyed although that’s the clear intention.

    But their degradation is nothing compared to our elites, who have given us as their Coda pornography as a utility second only to the electricity it rides. [Poor Edison. Hopefully in Heaven he’s deafer than ever]. Those were elite and not normal minds at work there, as they are all around us. As for corruption it’s not pandemic amongst the ordinary, but it’s hopelessly so among the elites. Truly they are irredeemable.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    I wouldn’t describe my Tragedy of La Fenice as incoherent.

    Didn’t say it was.

    Quite modest.

    Didn’t say I was.

    I merely think there’s a meaningful difference between transcending the mortal condition and merely failing to deprave it. Looking down from a bluff is different from looking down into a crevasse.

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    Puzzle Privateer (@PuzzlePrivateer) Reply:

    “I merely think there’s a meaningful difference between transcending the mortal condition and merely failing to deprave it. Looking down from a bluff is different from looking down into a crevasse.”

    Another way I would describe it is this:

    If you feel like you are superior then you’re Superman and the only thing you have to worry about is Kryptonite.

    If you feel like you are normal and everyone else is crazy, then you’re just a mortal guy surrounded by zombies. You’ll be safe until the zombies figure out you’re not one of them at which point they’ll tear you apart.

    People who feel superior feel invulnerable or near so, someone who feels normal and that it’s everyone else who’s weird is in a very bad position.

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  • Handle Says:

    Now #80 on Reaction Ruckus. I never thought it’d make it past a few dozen.

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    Max Reply:

    Mr. Jones is rather concerned

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  • That Rabbit Says:

    “’Mencius Moldbug’ … created a faux-intellectual movement that stands against modernity in all its forms—based openly on the crankish writings of Julius Evola”

    I think I’ve read every single word of Unqualified Reservations, and most of MM’s comments on other sites and forums. I don’t recall him ever mentioning Evola, even in passing. Am I wrong?

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    admin Reply:

    “Am I wrong?” — No, you are perfectly correct. (When called on exactly this point, Chu responded in the manner indicated by the cited tweet, above. Paraphrased: “Who cares about facts? This is the Lord’s work … and you’re all racists”.)

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    Antisthenes Reply:

    Facts are an inconvenience. We have discovered the Economy of Attention.

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    Antisthenes Reply:

    It would be a bit much to ask Chu to consider either MM or Evola judiciously or in any sort of detail, let alone to know enough about both to avoid lumping them together as That Which Must Not Be Thought. Cathedralism teaches one that to the right of G. W. Bush there are only Hitlers.

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  • Antisthenes Says:

    “Well, being unpopular because you’re short, or not physically attractive, or a different gender or skin color than people expect—that’s bad. That’s something I agree we should fight against.”

    I wonder if he’ll ever realize that the only possible conclusion to this ‘fight’ is to make everybody 5’2″ and uniformly hideous. Good luck with that one, liberals.

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    Posted on August 3rd, 2014 at 1:05 am Reply | Quote
  • vinteuil Says:

    Max is as provocative & as interesting as MM. Not to mention Unamused. Oh, and Karl F Boetel, too.

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    Posted on August 3rd, 2014 at 8:15 pm Reply | Quote

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