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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/city-of-night/#comment-101938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2014 04:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure the two Chaos&#039; are not the same. Dugin covers that in his Chaos Logos metaphysics. 
The link you provided is excellent though.  Wheeler-Dewalt equation i- H(x)&#124;Ψ&gt; = 0. Much to ponder on that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure the two Chaos&#8217; are not the same. Dugin covers that in his Chaos Logos metaphysics.<br />
The link you provided is excellent though.  Wheeler-Dewalt equation i- H(x)|Ψ&gt; = 0. Much to ponder on that.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Antony Gray (@RiverC)</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/city-of-night/#comment-101698</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chaos in the sense of &#039;prima materia&#039; or &#039;quintessence&#039; - the void. But the void is the element &#039;of the heavens&#039; - the Heaven is the Void (aether). This Chaos (as opposed to mere disorder) is &#039;the void from which&#039;- ex-nihilo, rather than the Chaos of the left, an-nihilo - to nothing.

Time
Chaos (ex nihilo) -&gt; Existence -&gt; (an nihilo) Chaos

The two chaos&#039; are not the same.

&quot;ἡ δὲ γῆ ἦν ἀόρατος καὶ ἀκατασκεύαστος καὶ σκότος ἐπάνω τῆς ἀβύςου καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ ἐπεφέρετο ἐπάνω τοῦ ὕδατος &quot;

&quot;And the earth was unseen and unfurnished and there was darkness over this abyss; and a breath of God was brought on above the water.&quot;

In this particular understanding of the elemental types, water represents chaos. The meaning is that the world as first-created is in an unseen, unbuilt chaos (nothingness). Creato ex nihilo.

(This explicit reading doesn&#039;t emerge until the Maccabees, and Protestants carry it despite not having the books from which it stems.)

This idea that &#039;nothing&#039; is a very strange sort of something is not a new idea of course. And it continues as a theme, as for instance here

http://nautil.us/issue/16/nothingness/the-bridge-from-nowhere

Aristotle does seem to show correctly in Physics that the Void cannot be a positive thing or substance in the normal sense, but this field from which things spontaneously, and seemingly randomly emerge --? The void won&#039;t go away. It doesn&#039;t have anywhere to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chaos in the sense of &#8216;prima materia&#8217; or &#8216;quintessence&#8217; &#8211; the void. But the void is the element &#8216;of the heavens&#8217; &#8211; the Heaven is the Void (aether). This Chaos (as opposed to mere disorder) is &#8216;the void from which&#8217;- ex-nihilo, rather than the Chaos of the left, an-nihilo &#8211; to nothing.</p>
<p>Time<br />
Chaos (ex nihilo) -&gt; Existence -&gt; (an nihilo) Chaos</p>
<p>The two chaos&#8217; are not the same.</p>
<p>&#8220;ἡ δὲ γῆ ἦν ἀόρατος καὶ ἀκατασκεύαστος καὶ σκότος ἐπάνω τῆς ἀβύςου καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ ἐπεφέρετο ἐπάνω τοῦ ὕδατος &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;And the earth was unseen and unfurnished and there was darkness over this abyss; and a breath of God was brought on above the water.&#8221;</p>
<p>In this particular understanding of the elemental types, water represents chaos. The meaning is that the world as first-created is in an unseen, unbuilt chaos (nothingness). Creato ex nihilo.</p>
<p>(This explicit reading doesn&#8217;t emerge until the Maccabees, and Protestants carry it despite not having the books from which it stems.)</p>
<p>This idea that &#8216;nothing&#8217; is a very strange sort of something is not a new idea of course. And it continues as a theme, as for instance here</p>
<p><a href="http://nautil.us/issue/16/nothingness/the-bridge-from-nowhere" rel="nofollow">http://nautil.us/issue/16/nothingness/the-bridge-from-nowhere</a></p>
<p>Aristotle does seem to show correctly in Physics that the Void cannot be a positive thing or substance in the normal sense, but this field from which things spontaneously, and seemingly randomly emerge &#8211;? The void won&#8217;t go away. It doesn&#8217;t have anywhere to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/city-of-night/#comment-101284</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 23:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Why not douse the entire planet in aerosolized LSD, launch all the nukes and see what happens? That oughtta blow up the Cathedral real good!&lt;/i&gt;

Why give the Cathedral what it wants?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why not douse the entire planet in aerosolized LSD, launch all the nukes and see what happens? That oughtta blow up the Cathedral real good!</i></p>
<p>Why give the Cathedral what it wants?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/city-of-night/#comment-101020</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@hurlock Kitaro use the language of dialectic,but has no synthesis. It&#039;s clearly Budhist derived. Dugin is no Hegelian. I don&#039;tthink Dugin fully knows what he is yet. He is grasping for some kind of eastern synthesis through Chaos to remedy the flaw of Logos without Chaos. Hence the search through non western traditons he seems to be  conducting, hence the praise for levi-strauss, Boaz etc for their praise of non western societies. This is where a lot of the confusion with Dugin stems from imho.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hurlock Kitaro use the language of dialectic,but has no synthesis. It&#8217;s clearly Budhist derived. Dugin is no Hegelian. I don&#8217;tthink Dugin fully knows what he is yet. He is grasping for some kind of eastern synthesis through Chaos to remedy the flaw of Logos without Chaos. Hence the search through non western traditons he seems to be  conducting, hence the praise for levi-strauss, Boaz etc for their praise of non western societies. This is where a lot of the confusion with Dugin stems from imho.</p>
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		<title>By: Hurlock</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/city-of-night/#comment-100987</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Apparently Kitaro is even quoted as saying “we can distinguish traditional Eastern and Western philosophies by the East’s prioritizing of nothingness and the West’s reliance on being”.&quot;

There is a lot about nothingness in western philosophy as well. Specifically about Hegel and nothingness (being at the center of being), you might want to have a word with Zizek. 

Also, reading that piece by Dugin that ultraZEN posted, he just seems like a plain old dialectitian, so I was not really impressed. He actually sounds quite Hegelian to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apparently Kitaro is even quoted as saying “we can distinguish traditional Eastern and Western philosophies by the East’s prioritizing of nothingness and the West’s reliance on being”.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a lot about nothingness in western philosophy as well. Specifically about Hegel and nothingness (being at the center of being), you might want to have a word with Zizek. </p>
<p>Also, reading that piece by Dugin that ultraZEN posted, he just seems like a plain old dialectitian, so I was not really impressed. He actually sounds quite Hegelian to me.</p>
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		<title>By: nydwracu</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tradition is never static -- and it&#039;s at its least static when it claims to be at its most.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tradition is never static &#8212; and it&#8217;s at its least static when it claims to be at its most.</p>
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		<title>By: nydwracu</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/city-of-night/#comment-100829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nydwracu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t chaos just kicked upstairs? &lt;i&gt;God&#039;s plan.&lt;/i&gt; But then people started claiming they could figure it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t chaos just kicked upstairs? <i>God&#8217;s plan.</i> But then people started claiming they could figure it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/city-of-night/#comment-100827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a very western interpretation of Chaos. The premise of undermining reality speaks to Western beliefs in ultimate mastery of Chaos and the world. That way leads to degeneracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very western interpretation of Chaos. The premise of undermining reality speaks to Western beliefs in ultimate mastery of Chaos and the world. That way leads to degeneracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/city-of-night/#comment-100824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@admin - it&#039;s seems to my extremely limited reading of Pyrrho (and Kitaro), that the metaphysical interpretation of his thought has some echoes in Kitaro&#039;s non sublimated contradictions based on nothingness which is fundamentally Buddhist. I really don&#039;t like the Hegel link, but even that is telling. Hegel&#039;s dialectic, taken to it&#039;s logical destination by Marx, is nothing more then a demented victory dance of logos over Chaos, each synthesis being nothing more then a refresh of the rejection of nothingness and swirl into western madness. Apparently Kitaro is even quoted as saying &quot;we can distinguish traditional Eastern and Western philosophies by the East&#039;s prioritizing of nothingness and the West&#039;s reliance on being&quot;. 
This is also (again from very limited reading) seemingly linked to Zongshan&#039;s two levels Ontology. 

It looks like reactionaries everywhere are trying to get to the same place. A placement of nothingness, Chaos or God back in the center of the world. NRx and Neo-confucism seemingly intent on doing so whilst preserving the non stultifying nature of technological progress obtained from the concentration on Being in the west. To call this a difficult task is putting it lightly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@admin &#8211; it&#8217;s seems to my extremely limited reading of Pyrrho (and Kitaro), that the metaphysical interpretation of his thought has some echoes in Kitaro&#8217;s non sublimated contradictions based on nothingness which is fundamentally Buddhist. I really don&#8217;t like the Hegel link, but even that is telling. Hegel&#8217;s dialectic, taken to it&#8217;s logical destination by Marx, is nothing more then a demented victory dance of logos over Chaos, each synthesis being nothing more then a refresh of the rejection of nothingness and swirl into western madness. Apparently Kitaro is even quoted as saying &#8220;we can distinguish traditional Eastern and Western philosophies by the East&#8217;s prioritizing of nothingness and the West&#8217;s reliance on being&#8221;.<br />
This is also (again from very limited reading) seemingly linked to Zongshan&#8217;s two levels Ontology. </p>
<p>It looks like reactionaries everywhere are trying to get to the same place. A placement of nothingness, Chaos or God back in the center of the world. NRx and Neo-confucism seemingly intent on doing so whilst preserving the non stultifying nature of technological progress obtained from the concentration on Being in the west. To call this a difficult task is putting it lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 01:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m using &quot;nullity&quot; as a cipher rather than a dogma. In contrast to &#039;Supreme Unity&#039;, it tilts that way IMHO. (We don&#039;t even know how to perform basic division by arithmetical zero yet, so I see little danger of excessive cognitive hubris on this path.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using &#8220;nullity&#8221; as a cipher rather than a dogma. In contrast to &#8216;Supreme Unity&#8217;, it tilts that way IMHO. (We don&#8217;t even know how to perform basic division by arithmetical zero yet, so I see little danger of excessive cognitive hubris on this path.)</p>
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