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		<title>By: Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; T-shirt slogans (#14)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; T-shirt slogans (#14)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Grammatical flexibility enables several lines of sense to spin off immediately, some running through ἰχθύς, and some through other things. In any case, it&#8217;s helpful to remember that humans are bony fish. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Grammatical flexibility enables several lines of sense to spin off immediately, some running through ἰχθύς, and some through other things. In any case, it&#8217;s helpful to remember that humans are bony fish. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: notes on Peart &#38; Levy&#8217;s &#8220;Vanity of the Philosopher&#8221; &#124; Vulgar Material</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[notes on Peart &#38; Levy&#8217;s &#8220;Vanity of the Philosopher&#8221; &#124; Vulgar Material]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 22:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Though it was published too early for that to have been the motivation for writing it, this functions very well as inoculation against NRx for young libertarians &#8211; and not just because Mr. Moldbug&#8217;s hero, Carlyle, plays a significant part, or because of the object-level sympathies of the authors. (For those who are already neoreactionaries &#8211; and my trackbacks seem to suggest that there are more of you reading this than my actual comrades &#8211; I feel that you&#8217;re probably already been counter-inoculated, so I&#8217;m not sure it would do much good. Instead I&#8217;ll recommend Larry Tise&#8217;s Proslavery: A History of the Defense of Slavery in America, 1701-1840, not because I expect it to deconvert you either but because it is basically the spooky bedtime story that Nick Land warned he was going to tell you some day.) [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Though it was published too early for that to have been the motivation for writing it, this functions very well as inoculation against NRx for young libertarians &#8211; and not just because Mr. Moldbug&#8217;s hero, Carlyle, plays a significant part, or because of the object-level sympathies of the authors. (For those who are already neoreactionaries &#8211; and my trackbacks seem to suggest that there are more of you reading this than my actual comrades &#8211; I feel that you&#8217;re probably already been counter-inoculated, so I&#8217;m not sure it would do much good. Instead I&#8217;ll recommend Larry Tise&#8217;s Proslavery: A History of the Defense of Slavery in America, 1701-1840, not because I expect it to deconvert you either but because it is basically the spooky bedtime story that Nick Land warned he was going to tell you some day.) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: NRx_N00B</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/cladistic-meditations/#comment-51216</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 13:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Porphy&#039;s Attorney—great posts, thanks for the reading recommendations. There are so many deep thinking quality posters here, I feel like a kid that just stumbled upon a new candy store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Porphy&#8217;s Attorney—great posts, thanks for the reading recommendations. There are so many deep thinking quality posters here, I feel like a kid that just stumbled upon a new candy store.</p>
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		<title>By: Porphy's Attorney</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/cladistic-meditations/#comment-50358</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2014 20:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They&#039;d say so. Their opponents would disagree.

If you want a primary source, possibly turn to Fosdick&#039;s &quot;Will the Fundamentalists Win?&quot; article. Fosdick was a Progressive theologian (who headed up Rockefeller&#039;s influential Riverside Baptist Church, while his equally Progressive-Postmil brother ran Rockefeller&#039;s influential Foundation).

For an extended neoreactionary argument on all this, a place to go would be Moldbug&#039;s &quot;How Dawkins Got Pwned&quot; series.

p.s. progism: not just for  ecumenical postmil protestants anymore. The Pope thinks social justice egalitarian = Christianity. Just see his recent tweet about inequality being the root of all evil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;d say so. Their opponents would disagree.</p>
<p>If you want a primary source, possibly turn to Fosdick&#8217;s &#8220;Will the Fundamentalists Win?&#8221; article. Fosdick was a Progressive theologian (who headed up Rockefeller&#8217;s influential Riverside Baptist Church, while his equally Progressive-Postmil brother ran Rockefeller&#8217;s influential Foundation).</p>
<p>For an extended neoreactionary argument on all this, a place to go would be Moldbug&#8217;s &#8220;How Dawkins Got Pwned&#8221; series.</p>
<p>p.s. progism: not just for  ecumenical postmil protestants anymore. The Pope thinks social justice egalitarian = Christianity. Just see his recent tweet about inequality being the root of all evil.</p>
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		<title>By: NRx_N00B</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2014 18:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was Baruch Spinoza a paleoprogressive?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Baruch Spinoza a paleoprogressive?</p>
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		<title>By: NRx_N00B</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NRx_N00B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2014 17:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was Protestantism spawned from actual “teachings” found within New Testament texts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Protestantism spawned from actual “teachings” found within New Testament texts?</p>
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		<title>By: Porphy's Attorney</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/cladistic-meditations/#comment-49855</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2014 12:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NRx_NOOB&#039;s question might need reformulation. I&#039;ll just leave this right here as a partial hint (that can be quibbled with on some details) as to why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pj3bmZZCI0

Ultra Calvinism - or ecumenical postmillenialism - first influenced Marxism before being influenced by Marxism.

What made and makes Marxism, Gramscism, and the like appealing to the Ultra Calvinists is that from the beginning they shared the vision of the ideal society would look like and while they did not totally share the mechanism of how to get there, they did share three very important things with Marxism:

1) a providencial view of history and humanity&#039;s perfection.

2) what that perfection would look like (egalitarianism; what came to be called &quot;social justice&quot;).

3) ultimately a shared belief in the state as redeemer: the redemptive state led by a cadre of experts would create this heaven on earth.

Note that #3 isn&#039;t precisely found in Marx &amp; Engles. But it became what actually existing communism used as their mechanism, and it was what progs tended to admire in Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc.

So what happened could be called mutual influence, and ultimately prog DNA is inseperable from commie DNA because they had the same prior types (their lines of descent share many, many ancestors).

It&#039;s hard to say what influences on modern ecumenical postmillenialism are mainly Marxist (I might guess the Gramscian, but others will point out that elements of Gramscianism exist in ultracalvinism prior to Gramsci) and what are just intellectual strains they&#039;d have ended up developing anyhow.

It is true the more Ultra the ultracalvinist, the more overt the Marxist influences will appear to be. IMO mainly Marxism gave them a set of appealing arguments, slogans, and status-poses. It may have accellerated the secularization of postmillenialism.

In other respects Earl Browder was right, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NRx_NOOB&#8217;s question might need reformulation. I&#8217;ll just leave this right here as a partial hint (that can be quibbled with on some details) as to why:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pj3bmZZCI0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pj3bmZZCI0</a></p>
<p>Ultra Calvinism &#8211; or ecumenical postmillenialism &#8211; first influenced Marxism before being influenced by Marxism.</p>
<p>What made and makes Marxism, Gramscism, and the like appealing to the Ultra Calvinists is that from the beginning they shared the vision of the ideal society would look like and while they did not totally share the mechanism of how to get there, they did share three very important things with Marxism:</p>
<p>1) a providencial view of history and humanity&#8217;s perfection.</p>
<p>2) what that perfection would look like (egalitarianism; what came to be called &#8220;social justice&#8221;).</p>
<p>3) ultimately a shared belief in the state as redeemer: the redemptive state led by a cadre of experts would create this heaven on earth.</p>
<p>Note that #3 isn&#8217;t precisely found in Marx &amp; Engles. But it became what actually existing communism used as their mechanism, and it was what progs tended to admire in Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc.</p>
<p>So what happened could be called mutual influence, and ultimately prog DNA is inseperable from commie DNA because they had the same prior types (their lines of descent share many, many ancestors).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to say what influences on modern ecumenical postmillenialism are mainly Marxist (I might guess the Gramscian, but others will point out that elements of Gramscianism exist in ultracalvinism prior to Gramsci) and what are just intellectual strains they&#8217;d have ended up developing anyhow.</p>
<p>It is true the more Ultra the ultracalvinist, the more overt the Marxist influences will appear to be. IMO mainly Marxism gave them a set of appealing arguments, slogans, and status-poses. It may have accellerated the secularization of postmillenialism.</p>
<p>In other respects Earl Browder was right, though.</p>
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		<title>By: nydwracu</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/cladistic-meditations/#comment-49785</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2014 08:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cladistics can learn from linguistics, which has already developed a vocabulary for clarifying cladistic questions. So you&#039;re asking about whether there was an stratal influence from Marxism in Universalism. (Then the question is: superstrate or adstrate?)

But was there a stratal influence from Universalism or its predecessors in Marxism...? Karl Barth called Hegel the Protestant Aquinas, so that&#039;s one point of evidence in favor, even without bringing in the more-X-than-the-X pattern.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cladistics can learn from linguistics, which has already developed a vocabulary for clarifying cladistic questions. So you&#8217;re asking about whether there was an stratal influence from Marxism in Universalism. (Then the question is: superstrate or adstrate?)</p>
<p>But was there a stratal influence from Universalism or its predecessors in Marxism&#8230;? Karl Barth called Hegel the Protestant Aquinas, so that&#8217;s one point of evidence in favor, even without bringing in the more-X-than-the-X pattern.</p>
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		<title>By: northanger</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/cladistic-meditations/#comment-49743</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2014 07:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The epistasis from feudalism → agriculturalism → industrialization allowing capitalism to evolve in functionality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The epistasis from feudalism → agriculturalism → industrialization allowing capitalism to evolve in functionality.</p>
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		<title>By: northanger</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2014 06:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting if primitive accumulation were genetic-based; making LTV appear non-functional due to selective pressure from industrialization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting if primitive accumulation were genetic-based; making LTV appear non-functional due to selective pressure from industrialization.</p>
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