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	<description>Involvements with reality</description>
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		<title>By: Colmainen</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-6453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colmainen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It will last until the stockpile of important stuff lasts, and will probably collapse once the stockpile is gone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will last until the stockpile of important stuff lasts, and will probably collapse once the stockpile is gone.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-6247</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If that&#039;s true (and I&#039;m skeptical), what does it say about the prospects for (Monetary) Central Planning in Western societies?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s true (and I&#8217;m skeptical), what does it say about the prospects for (Monetary) Central Planning in Western societies?</p>
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		<title>By: Colmainen</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-6230</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, to tell the truth, USSR could have been destroyed on 1920 and 1941. Both times America, for reasons Armand Hammer could tell us better, propped it up. America also saved Russia on 1994 - if it recognized Chechnya we wouldn&#039;t be hearing too much about Russia now. We would be hearing about Muscovy and other dukedoms which now only exist in dusty history books.

USSR could never exist on its own for a day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to tell the truth, USSR could have been destroyed on 1920 and 1941. Both times America, for reasons Armand Hammer could tell us better, propped it up. America also saved Russia on 1994 &#8211; if it recognized Chechnya we wouldn&#8217;t be hearing too much about Russia now. We would be hearing about Muscovy and other dukedoms which now only exist in dusty history books.</p>
<p>USSR could never exist on its own for a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Scharlach</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-6045</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I think I make that typo quite frequently . . . But I grew up much closer to the porn industry than the tech industry, so I&#039;ll let that be my excuse. (I have a second cousin who has directed a handful of porn flicks.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I think I make that typo quite frequently . . . But I grew up much closer to the porn industry than the tech industry, so I&#8217;ll let that be my excuse. (I have a second cousin who has directed a handful of porn flicks.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-6042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 03:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of Silicone Valley, have you guys seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/porn-stars-without-makeup_n_2853817.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;?  Was going to blog it, but too many people who know me (IRL) read me...  and... well... you know...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Silicone Valley, have you guys seen <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/porn-stars-without-makeup_n_2853817.html" rel="nofollow">this one</a>?  Was going to blog it, but too many people who know me (IRL) read me&#8230;  and&#8230; well&#8230; you know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-6040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 03:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Has any invention ever arisen out of Machiavellian politicking? I doubt it.&lt;/em&gt;

You mean besides Machiavellian politicking?  That&#039;s not nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Has any invention ever arisen out of Machiavellian politicking? I doubt it.</em></p>
<p>You mean besides Machiavellian politicking?  That&#8217;s not nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-6039</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 03:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mokyr is great -- he&#039;s central to the modernization debate, which neoreaction should &#039;re-activate&#039; with new questions. 

I&#039;m tempted to see the negative coupling between politics and invention as more essential than many other parties to this discussion do (it&#039;s a dead-weight loss to zero-sum psychological manipulation and the talents needed to be &#039;good&#039; at it have no techno-scientific pay-off). Still, it requires an argument with a lot more structure than this. 

PS. &#039;Silicone Valley&#039; is Hollywood and the porn industry, or Twin Peaks. The digital panopticon industry is based in Silicon Valley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mokyr is great &#8212; he&#8217;s central to the modernization debate, which neoreaction should &#8216;re-activate&#8217; with new questions. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m tempted to see the negative coupling between politics and invention as more essential than many other parties to this discussion do (it&#8217;s a dead-weight loss to zero-sum psychological manipulation and the talents needed to be &#8216;good&#8217; at it have no techno-scientific pay-off). Still, it requires an argument with a lot more structure than this. </p>
<p>PS. &#8216;Silicone Valley&#8217; is Hollywood and the porn industry, or Twin Peaks. The digital panopticon industry is based in Silicon Valley.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-6016</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously, preferring the Switzerland is predicated upon it being chock full of Swiss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, preferring the Switzerland is predicated upon it being chock full of Swiss.</p>
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		<title>By: Scharlach</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-6009</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Running war and politics together so indistinctly is murking this up (I know Schmitt Clausewitz started it). War is a lot nastier than (domestic) politics, but it’s also far more effective as a stimulus to innovation. Has any invention ever arisen out of Machiavellian politicking? I doubt it.&lt;/i&gt;

Innovation can occur in spite of, not because of, an immediate socio-political context. Some American inventions during the Great Depression and the invention of the welfare state include the electric guitar, FM radio, the radio telescope, the Richter scale, the pH meter, the Philips screwdriver, lambda calculus, and fiberglass . . . 

I think it&#039;s easier to talk about what &lt;i&gt; doesn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; work to spur invention, rather than what does work. I&#039;ve pointed to Joel Mokyr&#039;s work on my blog, and his basic premise is that any attempt to stifle competition and create safe equilibria for economic players will atrophy innovation. This atrophy leads, in extreme cases, to total rot (c.f., Detroit). 

It&#039;s extremely difficult to reduce the complex engine of technological innovation to a single system, but it&#039;s much easier to see what has clogged the engine in the past. For reactionary politics, it&#039;s better to make sure the engine isn&#039;t clogged, that it&#039;s running well, than to argue about what&#039;s more important for making it run.

~~~

More politics, less accomplishment? Usually, that&#039;s the case. But look at the 1960s and NASA. The Space Race was totally politicized and USG threw shitloads of money at it. NASA budget was 4% of the national at one point. And it got us to the moon.

But politics was on the side of real knowledge in this case. Another point made by Mokyr is that state-funding of science has only been beneficial when the money is well spent, that is, when it is spent on scientists who are actually on to something and need some help to bring it to fruition. The Age of Exploration was a success because governments began funding people who &lt;i&gt;really had&lt;/i&gt; figured out this whole navigation business. Had they instead funded people still looking into a way through the Hollow Earth, well . . .

The reason we need to decouple knowledge-creation and politics is not because the two can&#039;t be coupled together for positive ends; they can be. The reason we need to decouple them circa 2013 is that politicians make stupid decisions about which knowledge to pursue. America spends billions on blank-slatist education policies that we know don&#039;t work while its space program rots. It brings in tax dollars but doesn&#039;t channel enough of them toward innovative, profitable ends. 

~~~

Total collapse begins to occur when the stupidity of political decisions (not politics per se) outweigh the benefits accrued through innovations occurring in spite of that stupidity. California hasn&#039;t collapsed because it has Hollywood, the porn industry, and Silicone Valley. Californian politicians can afford to be really, really, really stupid. Take away Hollywood, the porn industry, and Silicone Valley, California would be bankrupt within a decade and the L.A. riots would look like child&#039;s play . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Running war and politics together so indistinctly is murking this up (I know Schmitt Clausewitz started it). War is a lot nastier than (domestic) politics, but it’s also far more effective as a stimulus to innovation. Has any invention ever arisen out of Machiavellian politicking? I doubt it.</i></p>
<p>Innovation can occur in spite of, not because of, an immediate socio-political context. Some American inventions during the Great Depression and the invention of the welfare state include the electric guitar, FM radio, the radio telescope, the Richter scale, the pH meter, the Philips screwdriver, lambda calculus, and fiberglass . . . </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s easier to talk about what <i> doesn&#8217;t</i> work to spur invention, rather than what does work. I&#8217;ve pointed to Joel Mokyr&#8217;s work on my blog, and his basic premise is that any attempt to stifle competition and create safe equilibria for economic players will atrophy innovation. This atrophy leads, in extreme cases, to total rot (c.f., Detroit). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s extremely difficult to reduce the complex engine of technological innovation to a single system, but it&#8217;s much easier to see what has clogged the engine in the past. For reactionary politics, it&#8217;s better to make sure the engine isn&#8217;t clogged, that it&#8217;s running well, than to argue about what&#8217;s more important for making it run.</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p>More politics, less accomplishment? Usually, that&#8217;s the case. But look at the 1960s and NASA. The Space Race was totally politicized and USG threw shitloads of money at it. NASA budget was 4% of the national at one point. And it got us to the moon.</p>
<p>But politics was on the side of real knowledge in this case. Another point made by Mokyr is that state-funding of science has only been beneficial when the money is well spent, that is, when it is spent on scientists who are actually on to something and need some help to bring it to fruition. The Age of Exploration was a success because governments began funding people who <i>really had</i> figured out this whole navigation business. Had they instead funded people still looking into a way through the Hollow Earth, well . . .</p>
<p>The reason we need to decouple knowledge-creation and politics is not because the two can&#8217;t be coupled together for positive ends; they can be. The reason we need to decouple them circa 2013 is that politicians make stupid decisions about which knowledge to pursue. America spends billions on blank-slatist education policies that we know don&#8217;t work while its space program rots. It brings in tax dollars but doesn&#8217;t channel enough of them toward innovative, profitable ends. </p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p>Total collapse begins to occur when the stupidity of political decisions (not politics per se) outweigh the benefits accrued through innovations occurring in spite of that stupidity. California hasn&#8217;t collapsed because it has Hollywood, the porn industry, and Silicone Valley. Californian politicians can afford to be really, really, really stupid. Take away Hollywood, the porn industry, and Silicone Valley, California would be bankrupt within a decade and the L.A. riots would look like child&#8217;s play . . .</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/collapse-schedules/#comment-5963</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Running war and politics together so indistinctly is murking this up (I know &lt;del datetime=&quot;2013-06-13T13:00:47+00:00&quot;&gt;Schmitt&lt;/del&gt; Clausewitz started it). War is a lot nastier than (domestic) politics, but it&#039;s also far more effective as a stimulus to innovation. Has any invention ever arisen out of Machiavellian politicking? I doubt it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Running war and politics together so indistinctly is murking this up (I know <del datetime="2013-06-13T13:00:47+00:00">Schmitt</del> Clausewitz started it). War is a lot nastier than (domestic) politics, but it&#8217;s also far more effective as a stimulus to innovation. Has any invention ever arisen out of Machiavellian politicking? I doubt it.</p>
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