Comments on: Confucian Restoration

By: admin

admin — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:17:50 +0000

@ sviga lae
The only place that does “Atheist Atheism” well is China. All of the sanjiao (Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism) are atheistic, without imposing the requirement to be cranky or superficial about it. (The state religion of Marxism, on the other hand, belongs firmly in the “Atheistic Christian” category, but unlike the Cathedralist version, it seems to be maturing into something innocuously nominal, comparable to conservative Episcopalianism: everyone gets to communist heaven some day — safely in the far-future — but God forbid that ‘fact’ should have any policy implications.)

By: sviga lae

sviga lae — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:40:08 +0000

Moldbug’s, not so much mine. Would that the West be in a position to sublimate the latter into the former.

Christian Atheism – “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.”

Atheist Christianity – Generic social-democratic millennialism.

Atheist Atheism – This space intentionally left blank. Domain of Matrix Lord PCs; reckoned in units of unharnessed negentropy and space-time manifolds.

By: admin

admin — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 02:37:45 +0000

“Since you cannot use Jedi mind tricks on mad scientists, the mad scientists will naturally undermine or capture the Cathedral. Accordingly, I predict that a likely future is for groups like Anonymous to gain sovereignty over certain areas of both the Internet and the globe.” — Your SF scenarios are always incredibly attractive (to me). I’d be far less depressed about Occidental trend-lines if I could persuade myself that a tight network of conspiratorial, amoral, technophiliac, power-crazed geeks would end up secretly overthrowing the sanctimonious neo-Puritan liars who are running things now.

By: admin

admin — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 02:26:20 +0000

That’s an insightful distinction.

By: sviga lae

sviga lae — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 02:00:12 +0000

Christian Atheism being a very different affair to Atheist Christianity.

By: Nicholas MacDonald

Nicholas MacDonald — Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:15:29 +0000

“All good points. China definitely has a creativity ‘problem’ — or at least question — prominently positioned in its self-reflective debates. Can it become more creative without becoming more socially chaotic? No one, I think, yet knows with confidence. But ‘become Roman’? Why? Rome and China were twin civilizations with much in common, and China is today in many ways more ‘Roman’ than the West.”

Very interesting question. Isn’t this, at heart, the ideal compromise of neoreaction – Agrarian Traditionalist nations alongside Cosmpolitan-Technocratic city-states? The former maintain stability, tradition (and resource production), while the latter provides an outlet for novelty and innovation? This resolves Moldbug’s townie/brahmin conundrum- the townies get their countries the way they want them, and the brahmins get theirs the way they want, too (once said brahmins and townies are freed from Cathedral brainwashing, that is).

By: Nicholas MacDonald

Nicholas MacDonald — Wed, 12 Jun 2013 04:53:45 +0000

A case of the Cathedral buying the rope it will hang itself with?

http://www.npr.org/2013/05/02/178783650/a-rhodes-like-scholarship-for-study-in-china

(The title is ridiculous- this is a “Reverse Rhodes”, if you will…)

By: Nick B. Steves

Nick B. Steves — Wed, 12 Jun 2013 03:57:39 +0000

Quite a bit more cultural and genetic diversity in Europe over a relatively compact space. That is not to say of course the China is utterly without it.

A hegemon not instinctively attracted to conquest might be a very good thing indeed… if such a thing could exist. It sounds at least a little bit like a square circle I heard about once.

By: admin

admin — Wed, 12 Jun 2013 02:00:49 +0000

I don’t think we’re arguing much, if at all. My usage of ‘hegemony’ is already supposed to be following the guidelines you suggest.

By: admin

admin — Wed, 12 Jun 2013 01:52:26 +0000

“If you postulate cosmic citizens, you must also postulate a cosmic civitas.” — I don’t see why, some advanced cities will do. They’re called global metropolises, and their succession relays the history of civilization quite completely.