Comments on: Counter-Dysgenics

By: Blogospheroid

Blogospheroid — Mon, 04 Aug 2014 10:41:34 +0000

I had read Weiss’s paper some time ago, but had felt something was missing.

I feel that if a civilization ever wants to dance the dangerous dance with evolution, trying to co-opt evolution to produce something, you need to be very vary of possible side-effects.

The caste system in India for example. A darwinist couldn’t have dreamt of a more darwinian system. It produced good resuIts for some time, great wealth, but left the people horribly divided amongst themselves. When the first raiders who could defeat the kings invaded, Hindu civilization was conquered and ruled over for 1500 years. Destruction of the warrior genes was so comprehensive that Indians suck at sports till now.
Even today if you ask Indians on what is their greatest failure, most would say the low social capital (aka corruption) and the disunity.

The greatest intellectual achievements in modern India stem from either southern India which had social reform/ cathedralization in the earlier century or from the sikhs, whose religion absorbed the egalitarianism of islam. So, that’s a counterpoint. The hotbeds of casteism are not exactly intellectual gardens.

The caste system has the mercantile castes of rajasthan and gujarat as positive examples of what is possible, but their intellectual contributions are relatively less. But undermining the vaisyas is exactly what you’d expect a brahmin like me to say..

By: Blogospheroid

Blogospheroid — Mon, 04 Aug 2014 10:01:03 +0000

The common thread is compassion and experimentation. Atleast, once upon a time, it was compassion and experimentation.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 21:07:10 +0000

Some light reading for you:
http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ethnic-conflicts-their-biological-roots-in-ethnic-nepotism-tatu-vanhanen.pdf

By: Kgaard

Kgaard — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:06:23 +0000

Oops … that was supposed to be a reply to Kwisatz …

By: Kgaard

Kgaard — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:04:38 +0000

I was a changed man after reading Weiss. Absolutely worth the read. And it’s really not that long. Print it out and take a pen and highlighter and go on a hike. To me the guts of the Weiss piece (aside from the data) is his discussion of Germans in Transylvania and whites in South Africa: Over the course of 3-6 generations these high-IQ minority populations collapsed (or couldn’t keep pace). They couldn’t keep their fertility rates up to 2x (the Germans) or sufficiently competitive with the blacks (the South African whites). The Germans just disappeared altogether and the South African whites lost political control — a fact which was predicted back in 1925 by some astute observer. I see the same dynamic now at work in Buenos Aires, which is becoming more indigenous at a fairly rapid clip. European culture just isn’t faring well down there. The women are getting more barren, more tattooed and less attractive.

By: Different T

Different T — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 17:39:18 +0000

Similarly, “dysgenic” is a concept which only comes into force after one has agreed, a priori, on what is the direction one desires the course of evolution to take: after one has agreed on what shall be called the population macrostates What’s interesting is the degree to which female “empowerment” seems to be tied to the education bubble. Women are still fairly absent from STEM, except where it leads into medical or care work, and we’ve seen a proliferation of soft degrees to accommodate women. What is this, ‘Neoreaction’, the political as a forensick ‘free-for all’? A discourse of distribution resentments?

By: nyan_sandwich

nyan_sandwich — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 17:12:44 +0000

I think you are on to something. This should be further investigated.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:14:04 +0000

yes ive often thoyght what we really hate about the cathedral is were not directing it.and though i could argue against iq assuming we think its the cats meow why all this talk of high iq imigration when the lynchpin of reaction is iq difference and reversion

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 15:42:52 +0000

shouldnt the strange attraction of weise be in a chaos patch

By: Different T

Different T — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 14:22:31 +0000

Similarly, “dysgenic” is a concept which only comes into force after one has agreed, a priori, on what is the direction one desires the course of evolution to take: after one has agreed on what shall be called the population macrostates (e.g., “low IQ/high IQ”, “k-selected/r-selected”). In darwinism simplicter, there is no such thing as dysgenia; what is adaptive is what is eugenic, and what is eugenic is what adaptive. This appears to have been glossed over. Until it is addressed, the wallowing continues along with the inability to answer... Is the “controlling drive” (eg. Cathedral) not already the “superior form of “emergent order” that has issued out of ‘realist pressures’? If not, why not, what excludes it? Only the view of an idealised extension of optimisation strategies deriving from a current perspective of dissatisfactions, that proffers the results of its own historically entrenched bias as a self-fulfilling, ‘realist’ justification? -Artxell Knaphi nor see the contradiction between "tecno-commercialism" proffering "With slightly more precise terms – people [growing] richer so that they can achieve a greater satisfaction of their needs" and Subsumption into an effective competitive environment is the only possible response that could work to reverse dysgenic trends, and this will eventually occur, whether human politics cooperates or not. or the largest question yet: What is this, ‘Neoreaction’, the political as a forensick ‘free-for all’? A discourse of distribution resentments?