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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9643</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 22:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s becoming rapidly more conversable.

Probably not in the Beltway.  

But in the nation at large, it rapidly became more conversable the second week of Nov 2012.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s becoming rapidly more conversable.</p>
<p>Probably not in the Beltway.  </p>
<p>But in the nation at large, it rapidly became more conversable the second week of Nov 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9642</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 22:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE-BOOT</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9565</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t much idea, but my guess is that the Control Yuan is staffed by party members and  thus tightly controlled by the powers that be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t much idea, but my guess is that the Control Yuan is staffed by party members and  thus tightly controlled by the powers that be.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9557</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, one more interesting thing.  So, another way to try to demonstrate &#039;pretextual intent&#039; is by means of statistics (with which the courts are, sadly, never comfortable - though, with some of the slippery tricks possible to perform, can you blame them?).

Using statistics against the non-quota quotas is precisely what the plaintiff in Grutter was trying to do, and that&#039;s why Rehnquist thought it important to get into his dissent, but, alas, no matter, it didn&#039;t work.

You know where it &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; work?  And where not only is it ok, but it is presumptively ok, and with an officially approved magic number of 80% deviation (no matter what profession or what the demographic statistics say)?  And where it&#039;s always automatically such a strong factor that the criminal process evidential burden shifts to the defense to prove itself innocent if the EEOC or the DOJ CRD gets a hold of you?  

Well, &#039;disparate impact&#039; and &#039;employment discrimination&#039; (ANY perceived slight in hiring, firing, pay, promotion, or even &#039;work environment&#039; factors like friendliness, hostility, etc.).   &lt;i&gt;This&lt;/i&gt; is the whole reason meaningless Human Resources departments exists - to maintain paper trails of magic-spell documents so companies can immunize themselves against maybe half of the most ludicrous suits.

You make an allegation and the the government becomes your free law firm but you get to collect the settlement!  Awesome!  What have you got to lose?  Nothing!

So, if Berkley or the University of Michigan has a black quota and says it&#039;s being &#039;holistic&#039; and it&#039;s a &#039;coincidence&#039; - then it wins by hiding the ball and distributing unspoken directives (exactly as Souter said would happen).  But if your company (or New York City Fire Department - thanks George W Bush!) gets 100 white applications and 100 black application and hires 61 whites and 39 blacks, then watch out!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one more interesting thing.  So, another way to try to demonstrate &#8216;pretextual intent&#8217; is by means of statistics (with which the courts are, sadly, never comfortable &#8211; though, with some of the slippery tricks possible to perform, can you blame them?).</p>
<p>Using statistics against the non-quota quotas is precisely what the plaintiff in Grutter was trying to do, and that&#8217;s why Rehnquist thought it important to get into his dissent, but, alas, no matter, it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>You know where it <i>does</i> work?  And where not only is it ok, but it is presumptively ok, and with an officially approved magic number of 80% deviation (no matter what profession or what the demographic statistics say)?  And where it&#8217;s always automatically such a strong factor that the criminal process evidential burden shifts to the defense to prove itself innocent if the EEOC or the DOJ CRD gets a hold of you?  </p>
<p>Well, &#8216;disparate impact&#8217; and &#8216;employment discrimination&#8217; (ANY perceived slight in hiring, firing, pay, promotion, or even &#8216;work environment&#8217; factors like friendliness, hostility, etc.).   <i>This</i> is the whole reason meaningless Human Resources departments exists &#8211; to maintain paper trails of magic-spell documents so companies can immunize themselves against maybe half of the most ludicrous suits.</p>
<p>You make an allegation and the the government becomes your free law firm but you get to collect the settlement!  Awesome!  What have you got to lose?  Nothing!</p>
<p>So, if Berkley or the University of Michigan has a black quota and says it&#8217;s being &#8216;holistic&#8217; and it&#8217;s a &#8216;coincidence&#8217; &#8211; then it wins by hiding the ball and distributing unspoken directives (exactly as Souter said would happen).  But if your company (or New York City Fire Department &#8211; thanks George W Bush!) gets 100 white applications and 100 black application and hires 61 whites and 39 blacks, then watch out!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9556</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t all of that exactly racketeering, as practiced by intelligent mafiosi? I&#039;m sure they&#039;re just as adept at not exactly saying what is formally illegal to say, speaking in code, conjuring up functional systems of allusion, getting what they want done without ever articulating it (in a way that can be recorded and reproduced) ... the only real difference is that the political will exists to stamp out Italian organized crime syndicates, but not to eliminate left-administrative organized crime networks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t all of that exactly racketeering, as practiced by intelligent mafiosi? I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re just as adept at not exactly saying what is formally illegal to say, speaking in code, conjuring up functional systems of allusion, getting what they want done without ever articulating it (in a way that can be recorded and reproduced) &#8230; the only real difference is that the political will exists to stamp out Italian organized crime syndicates, but not to eliminate left-administrative organized crime networks.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9554</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What the masses believe is determined by the elites du jour. How do you undermine the legitimacy of your opponents without having already won?&quot; -- Whilst there&#039;s certainly a lot to this, it can&#039;t be a perfectly sealed loop, or power would be invincible by definition. Friction between elite factions, external influences, excessive complacency, logic snarl-ups, narrative-splintering events, grit among the cogs, chance ... opportunities arise to complicate the dominant story-line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What the masses believe is determined by the elites du jour. How do you undermine the legitimacy of your opponents without having already won?&#8221; &#8212; Whilst there&#8217;s certainly a lot to this, it can&#8217;t be a perfectly sealed loop, or power would be invincible by definition. Friction between elite factions, external influences, excessive complacency, logic snarl-ups, narrative-splintering events, grit among the cogs, chance &#8230; opportunities arise to complicate the dominant story-line.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9552</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, that&#039;s not the hidden ball Souter&#039;s talking about.  Abstractly - it&#039;s a fundamental legal problem trying to police &lt;i&gt;behavior&lt;/i&gt; (easy to demonstrate) but needing to also differentiate amongst different &lt;i&gt;intents&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;mens rea&lt;/i&gt;, which is substantially harder (and very easy to lie about).

So, you can&#039;t have affirmative action &#039;quotas&#039;, but you can consider race, use it as a &lt;i&gt;ceteris paribis&lt;/i&gt; tie-breaking &#039;plus factor&#039; (but not with an explicit points system!) in order to achieve &#039;critical mass&#039; (whatever that magical number is, which, apparently, is different for different ethnic groups, and, like Plutonium, can be too high for Asians) and the educational benefits of the compelling state interest of &#039;diversity&#039; (whatever those benefits are, or to who they follow (everybody? just white kids?)  - it&#039;s funny how no one is actually asked to express them in a measurable way and then go about, you know, actually measuring them.)

So, if you&#039;re actually running a racial-quota system (which everybody, everywhere, knows everyone is actually doing), you can get away with it so long as you say you got there &#039;coincidentally&#039;, using only court-approved procedures.

Proving intent is easy, actually, so long as it&#039;s a conspiracy, which means you had a conversation about it with a witness or wrote a policy document.

So, duh, the trick is to not have those things, which means &#039;telling without telling&#039;.  That&#039;s why Ruth Starkman wrote about all the nebulous talk about &#039;these kids&#039; and: &lt;blockquote&gt;Why did I hear so many times from the assistant director? I think I got lost in the unspoken directives. Some things can’t be spelled out, but they have to be known. Application readers must simply pick it up by osmosis, so that the process of detecting objective factors of disadvantage becomes tricky. It’s an extreme version of the American non-conversation about race. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep.  Most of living the modern American life is about having, understanding, and navigating (with varying degrees of success) all the nonconversables.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s not the hidden ball Souter&#8217;s talking about.  Abstractly &#8211; it&#8217;s a fundamental legal problem trying to police <i>behavior</i> (easy to demonstrate) but needing to also differentiate amongst different <i>intents</i> and <i>mens rea</i>, which is substantially harder (and very easy to lie about).</p>
<p>So, you can&#8217;t have affirmative action &#8216;quotas&#8217;, but you can consider race, use it as a <i>ceteris paribis</i> tie-breaking &#8216;plus factor&#8217; (but not with an explicit points system!) in order to achieve &#8216;critical mass&#8217; (whatever that magical number is, which, apparently, is different for different ethnic groups, and, like Plutonium, can be too high for Asians) and the educational benefits of the compelling state interest of &#8216;diversity&#8217; (whatever those benefits are, or to who they follow (everybody? just white kids?)  &#8211; it&#8217;s funny how no one is actually asked to express them in a measurable way and then go about, you know, actually measuring them.)</p>
<p>So, if you&#8217;re actually running a racial-quota system (which everybody, everywhere, knows everyone is actually doing), you can get away with it so long as you say you got there &#8216;coincidentally&#8217;, using only court-approved procedures.</p>
<p>Proving intent is easy, actually, so long as it&#8217;s a conspiracy, which means you had a conversation about it with a witness or wrote a policy document.</p>
<p>So, duh, the trick is to not have those things, which means &#8216;telling without telling&#8217;.  That&#8217;s why Ruth Starkman wrote about all the nebulous talk about &#8216;these kids&#8217; and:<br />
<blockquote>Why did I hear so many times from the assistant director? I think I got lost in the unspoken directives. Some things can’t be spelled out, but they have to be known. Application readers must simply pick it up by osmosis, so that the process of detecting objective factors of disadvantage becomes tricky. It’s an extreme version of the American non-conversation about race. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yep.  Most of living the modern American life is about having, understanding, and navigating (with varying degrees of success) all the nonconversables.</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9550</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[spandrell,

&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s when the monopoly commission starts opening branch agencies&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is that what Control Yuan is doing? I expect the BGO idea to fail, the question is how fast and in what way. 

I expect adding &#039;fire people whenever they want&#039; to &#039;audit&#039; in the list of responsibilities would help. Again, the question is how much and for how long. 

-

admin,

&lt;blockquote&gt;the first step is withdrawal of legitimacy&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that would work, short term. I&#039;m in favour.

However, thinking about it, what is legitimate is determined by what the masses believe about the political formula. What the masses believe is determined by the elites du jour. How do you undermine the legitimacy of your opponents without having already won?

Before a few moments ago, I liked to say that government is clearly illegitimate if it needs to hide. But transparency is impossible. In any case, fooling the masses is difficult to avoid, even on purpose. Shockingly, the layman is incompetent. 

It comes back to opting out of taxes. That, at least, is simple enough and impossible to opacify. If you want something that&#039;s like democracy but isn&#039;t purely symbolic, let subjects withhold taxes. (Of course, also let the state withdraw citizenship.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spandrell,</p>
<blockquote><p>That’s when the monopoly commission starts opening branch agencies</p></blockquote>
<p>Is that what Control Yuan is doing? I expect the BGO idea to fail, the question is how fast and in what way. </p>
<p>I expect adding &#8216;fire people whenever they want&#8217; to &#8216;audit&#8217; in the list of responsibilities would help. Again, the question is how much and for how long. </p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>admin,</p>
<blockquote><p>the first step is withdrawal of legitimacy</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that would work, short term. I&#8217;m in favour.</p>
<p>However, thinking about it, what is legitimate is determined by what the masses believe about the political formula. What the masses believe is determined by the elites du jour. How do you undermine the legitimacy of your opponents without having already won?</p>
<p>Before a few moments ago, I liked to say that government is clearly illegitimate if it needs to hide. But transparency is impossible. In any case, fooling the masses is difficult to avoid, even on purpose. Shockingly, the layman is incompetent. </p>
<p>It comes back to opting out of taxes. That, at least, is simple enough and impossible to opacify. If you want something that&#8217;s like democracy but isn&#8217;t purely symbolic, let subjects withhold taxes. (Of course, also let the state withdraw citizenship.)</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9542</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 07:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s when the monopoly commission starts opening branch agencies with the money they&#039;re taking from the rest of the government. Fast forward 100 years and the monopoly commission *is* the whole government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s when the monopoly commission starts opening branch agencies with the money they&#8217;re taking from the rest of the government. Fast forward 100 years and the monopoly commission *is* the whole government.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/criminals-at-work/#comment-9540</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 06:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It reminds me of the old joke: Why is there only one Monopoly Commission?

Two BGOs are probably needed to work -- at a minimum -- with the constitutional provision being that they each get to keep 50% of the cost savings from down-sizing other parts of the government (including each other), thus incentivizing a maximum of hyper-aggressive vulture behavior.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It reminds me of the old joke: Why is there only one Monopoly Commission?</p>
<p>Two BGOs are probably needed to work &#8212; at a minimum &#8212; with the constitutional provision being that they each get to keep 50% of the cost savings from down-sizing other parts of the government (including each other), thus incentivizing a maximum of hyper-aggressive vulture behavior.</p>
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