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		<title>By: Aeroguy</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-84515</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aeroguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VXXC,

I went back and looked for stuff you&#039;ve written to try and figure out where you stand.  I&#039;m glad I did because I might have accused you of wanting to turn to vio and lence (I can&#039;t even bring myself to write the entire word), which may even be projection on my part since it took more than a little doom porn to disillusion me of that, moldbug being the final piece to finish the job.  I indulge in writing doom porn because I see it moving rational minded people in the right direction, and more importantly, away from the black hole, our greatest weakness and something that terrifies me.  My question for you VXXC, are you still trying to fight the vector the overton window is moving in?  Because if so that&#039;s not much different than voting team red.  Like when dealing with people who still follow team red, the way to do it is to disillusion them, which includes doom porn.

We are trying to be productive, by building the rightwing counterculture.  But it&#039;s important to understand what the purpose of the counterculture is. It&#039;s not to move the overton window, that&#039;s the dominant culture, what we&#039;ve abandoned.  What we can do is to differentiate our cultures as much as possible.  Anything to push the dominant culture into full bore insanity while we stand in stark contrast benefits us.  You must understand that this is a long game, there are no shortcuts, the Cathedral isn&#039;t a Gordian knot that we can cut.  But that doesn&#039;t mean despair.

Identifying the Cathedral and breaking with it was the first step and important but there are many more challenging steps ahead.  The purpose of making the Cathedral whine and squirm isn&#039;t to hurt the cathedral but to draw attention to the existence of the counterculture, it&#039;s a DE marketing campaign, pure and simple (We must also be careful to not become too big, cost and standards to join must be high to prevent us from drifting left or towards the black hole.  Right wing populism always turns ugly.  The rightwing counterculture will not be complete until it includes a nobility, if we are successful in our marketing efforts we won&#039;t be included in that nobility because they&#039;ll be better than us).  We aren&#039;t the ones who will destroy the Cathedral, the Cathedral is going to destroy itself.  We can however act as a catalyst of it&#039;s own destruction, knowing the difference is important.  Because it means we&#039;re telling them to become two steps more degenerate rather than pleading them not to become one step more degenerate.

Living under the yoke of the Cathedral is awful, that&#039;s why building the counterculture is so important (we&#039;ve merely laid the intellectual foundation and are still constructing the scaffolding).  It is the counterculture that will shelter those that break from the Cathedral&#039;s yoke.  Exit in place, the goal should be to build a robust enough counterculture that people who lose their jobs in the dominant culture because of the cathedral can adopt a different lifestyle and find employment in the counterculture.  Not an easy task, it will not be built in just a couple years.  But I do believe that we can do it.  The fully constructed counterculture itself will actually be the foundation for a new civilization, like I said earlier, this is a long game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VXXC,</p>
<p>I went back and looked for stuff you&#8217;ve written to try and figure out where you stand.  I&#8217;m glad I did because I might have accused you of wanting to turn to vio and lence (I can&#8217;t even bring myself to write the entire word), which may even be projection on my part since it took more than a little doom porn to disillusion me of that, moldbug being the final piece to finish the job.  I indulge in writing doom porn because I see it moving rational minded people in the right direction, and more importantly, away from the black hole, our greatest weakness and something that terrifies me.  My question for you VXXC, are you still trying to fight the vector the overton window is moving in?  Because if so that&#8217;s not much different than voting team red.  Like when dealing with people who still follow team red, the way to do it is to disillusion them, which includes doom porn.</p>
<p>We are trying to be productive, by building the rightwing counterculture.  But it&#8217;s important to understand what the purpose of the counterculture is. It&#8217;s not to move the overton window, that&#8217;s the dominant culture, what we&#8217;ve abandoned.  What we can do is to differentiate our cultures as much as possible.  Anything to push the dominant culture into full bore insanity while we stand in stark contrast benefits us.  You must understand that this is a long game, there are no shortcuts, the Cathedral isn&#8217;t a Gordian knot that we can cut.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean despair.</p>
<p>Identifying the Cathedral and breaking with it was the first step and important but there are many more challenging steps ahead.  The purpose of making the Cathedral whine and squirm isn&#8217;t to hurt the cathedral but to draw attention to the existence of the counterculture, it&#8217;s a DE marketing campaign, pure and simple (We must also be careful to not become too big, cost and standards to join must be high to prevent us from drifting left or towards the black hole.  Right wing populism always turns ugly.  The rightwing counterculture will not be complete until it includes a nobility, if we are successful in our marketing efforts we won&#8217;t be included in that nobility because they&#8217;ll be better than us).  We aren&#8217;t the ones who will destroy the Cathedral, the Cathedral is going to destroy itself.  We can however act as a catalyst of it&#8217;s own destruction, knowing the difference is important.  Because it means we&#8217;re telling them to become two steps more degenerate rather than pleading them not to become one step more degenerate.</p>
<p>Living under the yoke of the Cathedral is awful, that&#8217;s why building the counterculture is so important (we&#8217;ve merely laid the intellectual foundation and are still constructing the scaffolding).  It is the counterculture that will shelter those that break from the Cathedral&#8217;s yoke.  Exit in place, the goal should be to build a robust enough counterculture that people who lose their jobs in the dominant culture because of the cathedral can adopt a different lifestyle and find employment in the counterculture.  Not an easy task, it will not be built in just a couple years.  But I do believe that we can do it.  The fully constructed counterculture itself will actually be the foundation for a new civilization, like I said earlier, this is a long game.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasputin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-84145</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasputin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Other face of Gnon: http://www.gnon.org 

Either the Cathedral&#039;s got him or he&#039;s in some serious drag...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Other face of Gnon: <a href="http://www.gnon.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnon.org</a> </p>
<p>Either the Cathedral&#8217;s got him or he&#8217;s in some serious drag&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-84120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 19:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The risk being immediate and threatening does not require the outside world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The risk being immediate and threatening does not require the outside world.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-84119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 19:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The younger ones are checked by the older ones, the younger ones are combat virgins.

Unless the older ones are gone.  Or they decide against you. Never mind politics. You&#039;re...Losers. 

Let me ask:  Why wouldn&#039;t they search the house if ordered?  YOU NEVER FIGHT BACK. What do you expect us to do?  Realize that the order you ask us to disobey requires a march to Washington and the end of everyone there?  Do you realize that? Or the disobedient are dead, in prison. So not obeying isn&#039;t enough.  This isn&#039;t like other jobs.  

So do tell me?  Why if it&#039;s hopeless because you&#039;re hopeless should we disobey that order? 

[yes I&#039;ve been twice to the sandbox].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The younger ones are checked by the older ones, the younger ones are combat virgins.</p>
<p>Unless the older ones are gone.  Or they decide against you. Never mind politics. You&#8217;re&#8230;Losers. </p>
<p>Let me ask:  Why wouldn&#8217;t they search the house if ordered?  YOU NEVER FIGHT BACK. What do you expect us to do?  Realize that the order you ask us to disobey requires a march to Washington and the end of everyone there?  Do you realize that? Or the disobedient are dead, in prison. So not obeying isn&#8217;t enough.  This isn&#8217;t like other jobs.  </p>
<p>So do tell me?  Why if it&#8217;s hopeless because you&#8217;re hopeless should we disobey that order? </p>
<p>[yes I&#8217;ve been twice to the sandbox].</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-84114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 19:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Veterans are a known quantity&quot;

No. &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt; No they&#039;re not. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; I am one. 

Now I was tweeting at length but also T/L  this AM*

[I know its my case entry thought process]

Will the rest of you to save your very lives show us some sign that you wish to live and not as slaves?

I&#039;ll even say [now] PLEASE. 

Because otherwise we&#039;re going to have to go with who wants to live, right now that&#039;s the Cathedral.  Not kidding.  Never mind right.  Never mind wrong. Never mind western Civ, America.  Your lives are not safe from the Maoist infused army among you.  And I don&#039;t mean AQ. 

If you don&#039;t want to make it and understand further submission is unto death [thanks Molon Labe, they took you seriously] then no matter what we think [we=Vets, Cops, Sworn Defenders] if you would rather die than struggle or see any trouble IT&#039;S ALL OVER. 

Because we get every side is defeat, beat, enjoy the decline, lay down and die. 

You gotta wanna live and not by submitting to more.  Cuz more is the end now. It&#039;s too late when you see it in front of you to decide -- the default for most. 

tl.gd/n_1s2k9sv]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Veterans are a known quantity&#8221;</p>
<p>No. <b><i> No they&#8217;re not. </i></b> I am one. </p>
<p>Now I was tweeting at length but also T/L  this AM*</p>
<p>[I know its my case entry thought process]</p>
<p>Will the rest of you to save your very lives show us some sign that you wish to live and not as slaves?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll even say [now] PLEASE. </p>
<p>Because otherwise we&#8217;re going to have to go with who wants to live, right now that&#8217;s the Cathedral.  Not kidding.  Never mind right.  Never mind wrong. Never mind western Civ, America.  Your lives are not safe from the Maoist infused army among you.  And I don&#8217;t mean AQ. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to make it and understand further submission is unto death [thanks Molon Labe, they took you seriously] then no matter what we think [we=Vets, Cops, Sworn Defenders] if you would rather die than struggle or see any trouble IT&#8217;S ALL OVER. </p>
<p>Because we get every side is defeat, beat, enjoy the decline, lay down and die. </p>
<p>You gotta wanna live and not by submitting to more.  Cuz more is the end now. It&#8217;s too late when you see it in front of you to decide &#8212; the default for most. </p>
<p>tl.gd/n_1s2k9sv</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-84105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 19:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens if they decide that anyway?  and why would you move *before* meaning it&#039;s coming??

Now I don&#039;t miss the tongue in cheek [I presume]. But the link points out they bring their defects with them.

When China if ever realizes WTF they let in it&#039;s all over.   Fast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens if they decide that anyway?  and why would you move *before* meaning it&#8217;s coming??</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t miss the tongue in cheek [I presume]. But the link points out they bring their defects with them.</p>
<p>When China if ever realizes WTF they let in it&#8217;s all over.   Fast.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-84103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 19:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shanghai is a port and requires Trade, hence a strong Sea Power. 

Now mind you ports usually survive civilizations downturns, although some don&#039;t.  See Troy.

But it&#039;s never the same. Or even as good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shanghai is a port and requires Trade, hence a strong Sea Power. </p>
<p>Now mind you ports usually survive civilizations downturns, although some don&#8217;t.  See Troy.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s never the same. Or even as good.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Round &#8211; 2013/07/23 &#124; Free Northerner</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-83036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lightning Round &#8211; 2013/07/23 &#124; Free Northerner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] history. Related: Empires collapse after 10 generations, but  differently. Related: The world is  going to become hard; we are not hard. Related: Social security to be  bankrupt by [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] history. Related: Empires collapse after 10 generations, but  differently. Related: The world is  going to become hard; we are not hard. Related: Social security to be  bankrupt by [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-82896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The breakdown would have to come.  The soldiers I know would just do a basic calculation.  Would I be better doing nothing, or doing something.  In my mind, the thing that would make &#039;doing something&#039; would be a breakdown in the power structure.  Soldiers from the Afghan and Iraq wars have all seen the breakdown of power, and the way power is formed - at the end of a rifle.  To create new power is to take a risk with your life, and the lives of your family, etc...  So, in my mind the risk from the outside would have to be immediate and threatening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The breakdown would have to come.  The soldiers I know would just do a basic calculation.  Would I be better doing nothing, or doing something.  In my mind, the thing that would make &#8216;doing something&#8217; would be a breakdown in the power structure.  Soldiers from the Afghan and Iraq wars have all seen the breakdown of power, and the way power is formed &#8211; at the end of a rifle.  To create new power is to take a risk with your life, and the lives of your family, etc&#8230;  So, in my mind the risk from the outside would have to be immediate and threatening.</p>
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		<title>By: vinteuil</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/darkness/#comment-82890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vinteuil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lost, abandoned, exploited, sick and neglected, crippled, starved, and slaughtered, they saturate the media-scape of the harshening Western winter. Their real features are hard to discern beneath the thick coating of symbolism they bear,&quot;

This is brilliant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lost, abandoned, exploited, sick and neglected, crippled, starved, and slaughtered, they saturate the media-scape of the harshening Western winter. Their real features are hard to discern beneath the thick coating of symbolism they bear,&#8221;</p>
<p>This is brilliant.</p>
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