Comments on: Dawn of Neoreaction http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/ Involvements with reality Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1 By: Lesser Bull http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33907 Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:55:25 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33907 Brilliant.

As people around here would put it, you usually hit what you’re aiming at.

]]> By: Lesser Bull http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33906 Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:51:35 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33906 Agreed.

]]> By: spandrell http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33899 Mon, 03 Feb 2014 06:05:13 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33899 Cold War Pork.

]]> By: Ex-pat in Oz http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33898 Mon, 03 Feb 2014 02:44:49 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33898 What he (VXXC) said about Bill’s comment

THIS

Maybe Zim is on to something with his foray into the art world…

]]> By: Handle http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33891 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 21:59:17 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33891 I’ve read Sailer repeat this claim, which is funny. Hey, whatever argument you have to make to get funded, right?

If your friends are writing history later on, they can even pretend you weren’t just bullshitting to provide cover for your buddies with their hands on the public purse-strings back then.

What wasn’t done in the name of fighting the Cold War? Surely somebody went all the way and argued that we had better go Commie quick to fight the other Commies.

]]> By: nydwracu http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33890 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 21:23:40 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33890 USG backed abstract expressionism as an anti-Soviet measure in the Cold War. “The Soviets are so rigid and dogmatic, with their socialist realism… look what we in the free world can do!”

]]> By: Kgaard http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33886 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 18:38:44 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33886 @Kgaard

@ J. Ont: “Though I confess I am sick of rock music.” I would propose that the reason you’re sick of it is that, as a dead art form, it no longer attracts first-rate minds. Consider the pioneers of rock: Eric Clapton and Ray Manzarak look like college professors. David Crosby, Robert Plant and Pete Townsend have very big heads — into which much brain matter can be fit. Neil Young has morphed into some sort of experimental scientist. Brian May from Queen got a Ph.D. in astrophysics. Jimmy Page is a dead ringer for Gordon Brown, former finance minister and PM of Britain.

If Eric Clapton were 16 today, he would be applying to Stanford and making his way to Silicon Valley to study computing …

]]> By: j. ont. http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33884 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 17:33:02 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33884 As you seem to be suggesting, it’s a huge mistake to assume that “originality”—that is to say, “non–derivativeness”—emerges out of a void. There is plenty to be explored, both in art music and in popular music (though I confess, I’m sick to death of rock music). Every great composer I can think of started out learning to imitate/emulate the old masters that he or she appreciated. The issue these days is that nobody is will to stick with it—everyone wants to be original without any work, without any practice or imitation or study.

Innovation is as much dependent on the baseline practice (“tradition” if you like) as it is on so-called “creativity.” Think about electronic music: a few years ago everyone was really excited about the footwork sound coming out of Chicago. Had Aphex Twin & Co. touched on some of those sounds previously? Absolutely. What made footwork new and interesting was that it emerged in a very focused, functional context, rather than some sort of weedy IDM chill-out room.

]]> By: Kgaard http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33877 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 16:36:01 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33877 Aargh … I just checked out Venetian Snares. I think my argument stands. Music is done! Regarding the issue of low-hanging fruit that was passed over … yes, I’ve thought of that too. But I’m not sure it changes the equation. For instance, perhaps a new Chopin will arise and come up with more snappy, Chopin-like piano pieces. But so what? The genre has been done. So even if it were different it would still be derivative. It would not be ball-advancive in the conceptual sense. Another place there is obvious low-hanging fruit is with the ground Led Zeppelin explored. Nobody (except perhaps Eddie Van Halen) has done what Jimmy Page did in songs such as Song Remains the Same. It’s just a feast of mastery: change after change of rhythm, time signature, beat and chord structure. Earl’s Court 1975 version here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz5B3oVAUXk

Somebody could flush out that style further — though that raises the intriguing possibility that nobody today could CONCENTRATE long enough to be able to create something like that. Ditto the Chopin. Maybe we’ll never equal it. Let’s say you were a 13-year-old budding Eddie Van Halen today. Would you really sit in your room 10 hours a day practicing? Hell no! You’d be on the internet or Playstation. Maybe you’d put in 2 hours a day tops on the guitar.

That’s why I think the next art form will come from the technology that is cutting edge right NOW. It’s sure not music or guitars or synthesizers or any of that stuff. It’s been dead for decades …

]]> By: VXXC http://www.xenosystems.net/dawn-of-neoreaction/#comment-33867 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:54:19 +0000 http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1978#comment-33867 @ Bill,

MORE MORE THIS

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