Death-Wish

Some acts of national-demographic self-mortification stretch the imagination beyond its breaking point:

The Minneapolis–St. Paul area has one of the world’s largest Somali populations outside Mogadishu, with more than 80,000 residents believed to have originated from Somalia.

Seriously: Why?

September 24, 2013admin 32 Comments »
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  • Doug Says:

    Eh… Watch for stray bullets. Skinnies can’t shoot for shit.

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    Posted on September 24th, 2013 at 5:44 pm Reply | Quote
  • Alex Says:

    From the Catechism of the Universal Cathedral:

    Q. Is cultural self-mortification desirable?
    A. Cultural self-mortification is most desirable.
    Q. Why is cultural self-mortification desirable?
    A. Cultural self-mortification is desirable for a threefold reason:-
    Firstly, it allows us to demonstrate the mastery of our universal rational nature over the base concupiscence of the Tribal Flesh;
    Secondly, it allows us to mystically unite ourselves to the redemptive sufferings of our Lord and Saviour the Blessed Other;
    Thirdly, it allows us to make some small reparation for the wounds our particular and particularist sins daily inflict upon our Lord and Saviour.

    Some heavy-duty discipline going on here.

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  • Anon Guy Says:

    Why, you ask? So that Minnesota liberals – some of the liberal-ist liberals around, very soft and “nice” people – can preen about how much they love “enriching diversity”.

    It’s insane. I live in this area, and the Somalis are everywhere. Lots of Somali women in their Islam-approved clothing, driving minivans out of which spill three, four, five, six Somali children, jabbering away in Somali.

    In a generation it’s going to be 400,000 Somalis in this area and they will own the place. It’s like purposely importing Africanized bees into a region with nothing but gentle domestic bees. Suicidal and idiotic. They will shove the white liberal Minnesotans out of their areas and turn the entire Twin Cities into West Mogadishu. They are arrogant and insular and see whites as weak, and there are so many of them that there is no pressure for them to assimilate (as if the white liberals populating the Twin Cities would ever ask them to that, anyway).

    In my apartment building we’ve had repeated infestations of bedbugs, always originating in the same apartments populated either by Somalis or Mexicans. It’s incredible how fast an area can deteriorate when you invite the wrong kind of people in.

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    Manjusri Reply:

    My midwestern hometown is similar, though to date I think we’ve avoided taking in problematically large concentrations of foreigners. The real problems seem to stem from large groups of an incompatible ethnicity, not a hodge-podge of different ethnicities in an otherwise monocultural city (the Singapore model). That, and our city actually needs that cheap labor, what with our 3% unemployment rate and booming economy… Minneapolis isn’t doing too poorly either, but I can’t imagine why they would need 80,000 Somalis. This, of course, being the problem of American government- rather than asking about pragmatic concerns of economic need, we fruitlessly pursue justice and fairness. Asians seldom make that mistake (though when they do, they at least make it quick, violent and hard to forget.)

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    admin Reply:

    Money quote: “… but I can’t imagine why they would need 80,000 Somalis.”

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  • SOBL1 Says:

    Rent a voters. Maybe they go home for jihad, but they can always vote here. They are not American, but even their small numbers, Al Franken and Mark Dayton are thankful for them.

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  • Cynic Says:

    Western societies lean towards individualism, while African and Oriental societies are collectivist. Therefore it should come as no surprise that Western liberals (and liberals masquerading as neo-cons) are totally willing to undermine the foundations of their own culture if it suits them to do so.

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    Manjusri Reply:

    After years in China, I take this collectivist/individualist dynamic to be largely baseless, or at least hopelessly confused. Norwegians and Swedes, for instance, are much more collectivist than Chinese, who may be the most callously individualistic (or at least clannish) people who I’ve ever met. Japanese may be fairly collectivist; Muslims tend towards tribalism.

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    Cynic Reply:

    The thing about anecdotal evidence is it’s not.

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    fake_username Reply:

    “Clannish” would be a more appropriate description than individualist, based on my personal experience in China and on the literature. The problem is that these concepts are probably mutually exclusive. Chinese society has remained very tribal, with the state being layered atop the extant traditional kinship networks that are still so integral to parts of China today. The individual is still merely a cog in the family, the tribe, and generally subject to its whims, which implies that China hasn’t yet reached social modernity. If people seem callously individualistic, it’s only because you’re seeing the most immediate facet of the story, another being that people from outside the ‘tribe’ are often perceived to some extent as non-persons rather than the behavior resulting from some egotist rationalism. This also underlies the corruption endemic to China (i.e. patrimonialism). The exception to this rule is, of course, Chinese nationalism. Chinese will join arms together against a perceived aggressor because they are all more alike than outsiders, but sans such circumstances it once again becomes tribe against tribe, so to speak. This has been used to characterize Arab Muslims as well, which is embodied in one of their traditional aphorisms: “Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, all three of us against the stranger.” Middle Easterners may be tribally fighting amongst themselves, but then they may conjoin to fight a mutual perceived enemy (such as progress). China is organized in a similar fashion.

    That being said, from my experience rural Chinese have been the most agreeable and accommodating, but as said above anecdotal evidence is the lowest form so I left that out.

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    admin Reply:

    I think this is basically right. A couple of quibbles:
    (1) The structural difference between the traditions of cousin marriage in China and the Arab world are hugely significant. (HBDchick is of course the go-to on the subject.)
    (2) Perhaps there’s something to learn from the degeration of highly exogamic European kinship patterns into suicidal altruism, and thus the tight locking of ‘Modernity’ onto this model might be questionable. Flexible clannishness doesn’t seem obviously dysfunctional.
    Chinese profession of generic collectivism is just camouflage, with patent survival value.

    fake_username Reply:

    Those are compelling points.

    Mitchell Heisman in his “Suicide Note” surmises that the historical character[s] who are represented by Jesus in the New Testament were conceived from rape by Roman soldiers on Jewish women. Highly speculative as it may be, it’s nonetheless an interesting proposition that it was the offspring of [violent] interracial breeding that penned the philosophies on which the Cathedral depends (Bob Marley?). It makes sense to me that such thought, aided by the onset of globalization, would have the effect of transforming exogamic practices evolved to mitigate the effects of inbreeding into the practice of wholesale tolerance. If I sound unwaveringly dismissive of clan organization it’s simply simply because I have a deeply entrenched inability to frame any aspect human behavior in a positive light, but I can certainly see its utility and the reasons for its longevity.

    Cynic Reply:

    Whatever the nature of these societies, we can agree that today they contrast with the West primarily in that the latter has become increasingly culturally oikophobic for whatever reason (and is that historically contingent, or will Chinese and Middle Eastern societies develop the same complex as they approach modernity? Is the American left’s motto ‘myself and the stranger against my brother’ to be unique to it?), right?

    I wonder who will pay the ultimate price for those 80,000 Somalis.

    Thales Reply:

    I wonder who will pay the ultimate price for those 80,000 Somalis.

    Anyone and everyone except those who should.

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  • admin Says:

    It’s one thing for a needle-sharing heroin addict to end up with AIDS. It’s altogether queerer to see someone mainlining pure HIV.

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  • fotrkd Says:

    Mr Cameron condemned the attacks…

    “These appalling terrorist attacks that take place where the perpetrators claim they do it in the name of a religion – they don’t,” he said.

    “They do it in the name of terror, violence and extremism and their warped view of the world. They don’t represent Islam or Muslims in Britain or anywhere else in the world.”

    Fortunately the UK has spiritual guide Russell Brand to properly represent Islam:

    The main narrative thrust of the Bible though, like most spiritual texts, including the Quran is: be nice to each other because we’re all the same.

    So quit your worrying 🙂

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    Manjusri Reply:

    “The main narrative thrust of the Bible though, like most spiritual texts, including the Quran is: be nice to each other because we’re all the same.”

    Indeed- they’re all universalizing. To paraphrase the wonderfully quotable fictional intellectual Ellsworth Toohey, “We’re all the same under the skin – and they’d skin humanity in order to prove it.”

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    fotrkd Reply:

    THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General…

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    Manjusri Reply:

    Harrison Bergeron… why is it that socialists write the best condemnations of socialism?

    Scharlach Reply:

    That story. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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  • Cynic Says:

    @admin

    All of us blood brothers in this same dirty needle

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  • Scharlach Says:

    If that number is true, it’s absolutely shocking. St.Paul and Minneapolis have ~600,000 people combined, maybe a few thousand more if you count the immediate outlying areas. That means Somalis are just over 10% of the population.

    I’ve been to Minneapolis quite a bit recently. The number of Somalis is definitely noticeable. They drive all the cabs, work fast food, etc. The equivalent of Amerinds in Southern California. But I had no idea how large the population was. Given the nature of white vs. non-white fertility, things will get interesting in the Mini-Apple.

    Now, at least these are East Africans, not sub-Saharan Africans. The young Somalis refuse to take shit from the local blacks:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-oabiOroI4

    My friends who live in Minneapolis have confirmed that tensions exist between these two groups. If the Somalis dont integrate well, they’ll end up like the Mexicans in L.A.: driving all the blacks out of their traditional ghettos.

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    Manjusri Reply:

    It’s not quite that dire. Metro Minneapolis/St. Paul’s population is primarily in the suburbs, which brings it to around 3 million. 80,000 is less than 3%… considerable, but not that vast.

    (Note that in general, I prefer immigrant Africans to native blacks, provided their numbers aren’t too large. Immigrant Africans often complain that American blacks have no culture or manners. While not universally true… stereotypes have basis in reality.)

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    admin Reply:

    Without wanting to put a lid on the race question, the fanatic jihadi aspect of the problem seems to be going missing.

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    Scharlach Reply:

    You’re absolutely right, admin. Consider me scolded.

    Posted on September 25th, 2013 at 1:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • KK Says:

    Why?

    “How many iPhones will be purchased by Somalis in the Mog compared to those in the Minn?”, as paraphrased by Porter
    here.

    The progs get to feel good and boost their river of meat. The lizards get GROWTH and GDP from Somali kids’ subsidized disco money. Everybody wins and in the long run we’re all dead.

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    admin Reply:

    Can’t the lizards find functional people to sell their gizmos to?

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    KK Reply:

    You got me there. I guess proggies and lizards perceive dysfunctional people as unthreatening for them. They’re not competing from the same place in the sun at all. 80 000 Anil Dashes would alter the market for Cathedral liturgy, NGO makework and entry-level tech jobs. 80 000 Somalis only result in cheaper Taxi service and tightening the thumbscrews on the wrong kind of white people.

    If you’re on the right side of the equation, it’s a no-brainer. Behold, The Marginal Revolution.

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  • fotrkd Says:

    @Scharlach

    That story. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    That’s terribly cryptic – would you care to elaborate?

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    Scharlach Reply:

    You have to read it in the context of Vonnegut’s life and other works. The man was a far-left progressive. Here’s a better analysis of what the book was probably trying to do:

    http://coffmanenglish1.wikispaces.com/file/view/HB+Criticism.pdf

    (tldr; he was poking fun at the conservative straw-man version of Communism’s struggle for equality)

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    KK Reply:

    (tldr; he was poking fun at the conservative straw-man version of Communism’s struggle for equality)
    Yeah, I think that’s the right context.

    Of course, this means that progressivism has crossed the parody horizon.

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  • VXXC Says:

    “What’s fascinating is that this region along the Mississippi is an area that has been home to many cities, for hundreds of years. After all, St. Louis occupies the old footprint of Cahokia today. Perhaps, in another millennium, the archaeologists who occupy some future city in the area will be uncovering the old breweries and coal mines of St. Louis and wondering what happened to the people who worked in them.”

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