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		<title>By: Jefferson</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/deeper-darkness/#comment-28759</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jefferson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How does the decline in TFR factor in? Aren&#039;t we likely to see a huge increase in per capita everything in places like Japan?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the decline in TFR factor in? Aren&#8217;t we likely to see a huge increase in per capita everything in places like Japan?</p>
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		<title>By: James A. Donald</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/deeper-darkness/#comment-28692</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James A. Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bees and rabbits are fully optimized by evolution, and they seem to have a good time.  It is not like evolution stands over you with a whip.  Rather, those that enjoy the kinds of things that lead to survival, survive.

Flowers are pretty, because that is what bees like.  They are not just billboards advertising &quot;nectar here for making honey&quot;  Creatures fully optimized for evolution still have plenty of time for beauty and joy.  It is the maladapted that are sad, and perish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bees and rabbits are fully optimized by evolution, and they seem to have a good time.  It is not like evolution stands over you with a whip.  Rather, those that enjoy the kinds of things that lead to survival, survive.</p>
<p>Flowers are pretty, because that is what bees like.  They are not just billboards advertising &#8220;nectar here for making honey&#8221;  Creatures fully optimized for evolution still have plenty of time for beauty and joy.  It is the maladapted that are sad, and perish.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogospheroid</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/deeper-darkness/#comment-28656</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blogospheroid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is economic prosperity a gene-trasher - perhaps, but does it matter that much to a transhumanist? Isn&#039;t the transhuman idea to take control of destiny? What protein expression is needed from genes? Can&#039;t it be (eventually) recreated faster and with less error by cybernetic augmentation? 

It honestly does not take much intelligence to do better than evolution in a well defined problem situation. Evolution rules because it has been at it for so long.

In such discussions at less wrong , the general idea is that if evolution is allowed to just continue on its own without transhumanist intervention, then eventually the future will be bereft of everything we consider valuable. It will literally be all breeding all the time and nothing else. I tend to agree with that thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is economic prosperity a gene-trasher &#8211; perhaps, but does it matter that much to a transhumanist? Isn&#8217;t the transhuman idea to take control of destiny? What protein expression is needed from genes? Can&#8217;t it be (eventually) recreated faster and with less error by cybernetic augmentation? </p>
<p>It honestly does not take much intelligence to do better than evolution in a well defined problem situation. Evolution rules because it has been at it for so long.</p>
<p>In such discussions at less wrong , the general idea is that if evolution is allowed to just continue on its own without transhumanist intervention, then eventually the future will be bereft of everything we consider valuable. It will literally be all breeding all the time and nothing else. I tend to agree with that thought.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/deeper-darkness/#comment-28566</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Capitalism, science, and the scientific method.&quot; -- Undoubtedly, but are these things truly primary, or do they have some kind of demographic precondition (of a basically quantitative, rather than qualitative kind)? I&#039;d taken the Black Death hypothesis as an account of the origins of techno-capitalist dynamics -- crudely, by making more free capital available (at a remove from the Malthusian limit) and encouraging technological substitution for labor (ditto).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Capitalism, science, and the scientific method.&#8221; &#8212; Undoubtedly, but are these things truly primary, or do they have some kind of demographic precondition (of a basically quantitative, rather than qualitative kind)? I&#8217;d taken the Black Death hypothesis as an account of the origins of techno-capitalist dynamics &#8212; crudely, by making more free capital available (at a remove from the Malthusian limit) and encouraging technological substitution for labor (ditto).</p>
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		<title>By: James A. Donald</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/deeper-darkness/#comment-28558</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James A. Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 05:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a myth.

Roger Bacon was put in solitary on bread and water.

Nor is Galileo a myth.  He was given a tour of the instruments of torture and forced to recant that the earth moves, under threat of torture.

Of course the fact that they survived this, and their fame was not extinguished, makes Christianity way better than all the alternatives.

In Islam, the equivalent of Tycho was beheaded, his observatory destroyed, and all his records destroyed.

The Chinese equivalents were entirely erased.

Under progressivism, their equivalents merely lose their jobs, and excluded from polite society, which progressivism plausibly claims is an improvement on the Christian record, and it would be an improvement if progressives were not so passionate and thorough about eliminating all dissent everywhere.  Christianity was, though sporadically harsher, not nearly as passionate and thorough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a myth.</p>
<p>Roger Bacon was put in solitary on bread and water.</p>
<p>Nor is Galileo a myth.  He was given a tour of the instruments of torture and forced to recant that the earth moves, under threat of torture.</p>
<p>Of course the fact that they survived this, and their fame was not extinguished, makes Christianity way better than all the alternatives.</p>
<p>In Islam, the equivalent of Tycho was beheaded, his observatory destroyed, and all his records destroyed.</p>
<p>The Chinese equivalents were entirely erased.</p>
<p>Under progressivism, their equivalents merely lose their jobs, and excluded from polite society, which progressivism plausibly claims is an improvement on the Christian record, and it would be an improvement if progressives were not so passionate and thorough about eliminating all dissent everywhere.  Christianity was, though sporadically harsher, not nearly as passionate and thorough.</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/deeper-darkness/#comment-28557</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alrenous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bacon&#039;s wiki page seems pretty good. Unexpectedly, La Wik contradicts the religion vs. science narrative - apparently Bacon was subject to a Galileo imprisonment myth four centuries before the myth&#039;s namesake. 

He was one of Grosseteste&#039;s students. Grosseteste was probably one of the first English scholars with access to surviving Greek texts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bacon&#8217;s wiki page seems pretty good. Unexpectedly, La Wik contradicts the religion vs. science narrative &#8211; apparently Bacon was subject to a Galileo imprisonment myth four centuries before the myth&#8217;s namesake. </p>
<p>He was one of Grosseteste&#8217;s students. Grosseteste was probably one of the first English scholars with access to surviving Greek texts.</p>
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		<title>By: James A. Donald</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/deeper-darkness/#comment-28516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James A. Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On this data, the rise of the west probably started around 1277.

That is to say, around the time that Roger Bacon proposed the conquest of nature:  Proposed science and the scientific method giving rise to technology, the application of technology making businessmen rich, businessmen funding technology, and, in the process, funding science and the scientific method.

That seems to me the glaringly obvious explanation, Bacon&#039;s explanation.  Nothing to do with the black death.

Capitalism, science, and the scientific method.  It is obvious.

Of course today we have state science.  The scientific method was ditched in favor of peer review in the 1940s, and for capitalism, increasingly we have crony capitalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this data, the rise of the west probably started around 1277.</p>
<p>That is to say, around the time that Roger Bacon proposed the conquest of nature:  Proposed science and the scientific method giving rise to technology, the application of technology making businessmen rich, businessmen funding technology, and, in the process, funding science and the scientific method.</p>
<p>That seems to me the glaringly obvious explanation, Bacon&#8217;s explanation.  Nothing to do with the black death.</p>
<p>Capitalism, science, and the scientific method.  It is obvious.</p>
<p>Of course today we have state science.  The scientific method was ditched in favor of peer review in the 1940s, and for capitalism, increasingly we have crony capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/deeper-darkness/#comment-28499</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Red]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;Why did the Barbarians destroy learning and writing in the Western Empire?
They didn&#039;t.  The Muslims did by cutting off Egyptian papyrus supplies(Raising the cost of books by 100X during a period economic decline) and by raiding/enslaving almost all the Romans living along the coast (that&#039;s the bulk of the roman population).

&gt;&gt;And what happened at the end of the Second Bronze Age that led to an age of Darkness? 
The white tribes of Asia where pushed back into Europe by proto mongols and proto Chinese causing the largest barbarian invasion in history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Why did the Barbarians destroy learning and writing in the Western Empire?<br />
They didn&#8217;t.  The Muslims did by cutting off Egyptian papyrus supplies(Raising the cost of books by 100X during a period economic decline) and by raiding/enslaving almost all the Romans living along the coast (that&#8217;s the bulk of the roman population).</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;And what happened at the end of the Second Bronze Age that led to an age of Darkness?<br />
The white tribes of Asia where pushed back into Europe by proto mongols and proto Chinese causing the largest barbarian invasion in history.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/deeper-darkness/#comment-28471</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of a a documentary I watched on roman technology, Itwas much more advanced than id realized. They had factories with mills set up in series down hillsides along large rivers sometimes a dozen large wheels turning simultaneously, they had very complicated mechanical devices, one even opened temple doors automatically to give the special effect of magic, but most intriguing was they were playing around with steam power,There are a few steam devices we have found. What this seemed to imply was that had they not voted for more immigration the industrial revolution might have taken place two thousand years earlier. It really blew me away thinking about that.
I think it was the mongols or huns that brought the Plague. But youre kind of describing a guns germs and steel which is gay so stop it. The benefit i thought was wages rose, which invites trade goods merchants guilds financiers and power shifts alliances city states politics war revolution democracy communism welfare queens
I think america and europe for that matter would be great with out the vibrant we would start having children again but for a while it would be less crowded]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a a documentary I watched on roman technology, Itwas much more advanced than id realized. They had factories with mills set up in series down hillsides along large rivers sometimes a dozen large wheels turning simultaneously, they had very complicated mechanical devices, one even opened temple doors automatically to give the special effect of magic, but most intriguing was they were playing around with steam power,There are a few steam devices we have found. What this seemed to imply was that had they not voted for more immigration the industrial revolution might have taken place two thousand years earlier. It really blew me away thinking about that.<br />
I think it was the mongols or huns that brought the Plague. But youre kind of describing a guns germs and steel which is gay so stop it. The benefit i thought was wages rose, which invites trade goods merchants guilds financiers and power shifts alliances city states politics war revolution democracy communism welfare queens<br />
I think america and europe for that matter would be great with out the vibrant we would start having children again but for a while it would be less crowded</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...gifted by bubonic plague...&quot; First ever use of &quot;gift&quot; as a verb I&#039;ve encountered that hasn&#039;t made me gag. Schön Wortspiel!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;gifted by bubonic plague&#8230;&#8221; First ever use of &#8220;gift&#8221; as a verb I&#8217;ve encountered that hasn&#8217;t made me gag. Schön Wortspiel!</p>
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