Disconnection III

Broken Internet here (which is driving me mildly insane). This is tapped out on my crappy tablet. If passing through the Great Gates of Kek starts like this, my enthusiasm is waning already.

Feel free to treat this as an open thread. Lots of interesting discussion on the Alt-Right / NRx gulf in the previous comment threads IMHO, so carry on …

(From the Occult NRx perspective, the Alt-Right can have the presidency, but it can’t have Kek — without a scrap … It’s, of course, a Brahmin thing …)

VPN fail (which could actually be seen as a gateway problem, if one was to get lawerly about it, which I’ll scrupulously avoid …).

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  • Alt-RightCat Says:

    FACT-CHECK: Is Donald Trump Alt-Right. http://www.realtruenews.org/single-post/2016/08/25/FACT-CHECK-Is-Donald-Trump-Alt-Right The graphic makes NO sense. Not sure the text does either–but . . . there it is.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    I liked Alternative Right’s assessment of the definition of alt right:

    Equality is bullshit. Hierarchy is essential. The races are different. The sexes are different. Morality matters and degeneracy is real. All cultures are not equal and we are not obligated to think they are. Man is a fallen creature and there is more to life than hollow materialism. Finally, the white race matters, and civilisation is precious. This is the Alt-Right.

    Basically, original conservatism. The enemy is evil/error; the process of fighting it is civilization as a biological and not political (i.e. egalitarian) construct.

    This fits within the #NRX paradigm except that for Alt Righters, “formalism” consists of culture/aristocracy not government having power.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    NRx loses you at “the white race matters.”

    In A.O. Hirschman’s formulation, Exit is equivalent to saying “I don’t care about this [group, state, firm, culture] any longer. The hell with it.” If a man still cares about the preservation, maintenance, or repair of something, any attempt at Exit will be unsustainable and he will return eventually to Voice (politics).

    Think economically. If I get fed up with the service at one mechanic’s shop, I go find another mechanic. I don’t give a goddamn what happens to the first one. That is the only attitude proper to Exit. Similarly, my mother left her Catholicism only after she had truly given up on Catholicism. She stopped going to mass 30 years ago and never looked back. Today, she just shrugs whenever any Catholic-oriented debates come up. “Not my religion anymore. Don’t care.” (That’s not to say certain “favored traces” of her Catholicism didn’t maintain themselves as she evolved into an evangelical.)

    From my (NRx) perspective, the problem with alt-righters is that they still care about their white culture even though every day in a hundred ways it proves to have reached its expiration date. I, too, care about hierarchy, civilization, intelligence, moral living . . . but it baffles my how anyone can look at the white race circa 2016 and believe that Europe or America will advance any of those things anytime soon.

    It’s time to find a new mechanic, Stevens. Evolve. Bring along the favored traces of your whiteness and Europeanness, by all means, but it’s absurd to think that whiteness or Europeanness per se has a future worth supporting.

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    Alice Teller Reply:

    “the problem with alt-righters is that they still care about their white culture” is like saying the problem with you is you like strawberries. Yes, I do, even when they are not perfectly ripe. Tastes differ, you cannot reason me into wanting to live with some folks. There is little else to say about the matter. Why bother with the concept of patchwork if it is just another mass imposition of what we must like and approve?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    We are not against Alt-R, but we are not it.

    4k Reply:

    Pretty sure Seth was saying to bring the strawberries, green or not. I read his comment as an invite rather than any sort of imposition. NRx supports patchwork, with the risks which that entails; whilst tech-comm NRx has its own ideas about optimised patches. Whiteness or Europeanness per se isn’t a limiting factor in its qualifying criteria. So it’s a question of how intelligent your aesthetic judgement is, and who you are willing to trust to learn with and from. Some things will work, some things will certainly degrade or die. In such cases, an insufficiently hard-hearted tech-comm may be prone to vulgar displays of compassion, including such things as inviting non-pre-patch aliens to private balls and phenotype sessions to assess their suitability for ‘conversion’ (etc.) … though of course this will always be – quite rightly – publicly frowned upon.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “We´re” not not against Alt-R either

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This speaks for me as well. You simply get it.

    However the Alt-R is a culture that hasn´t understood Nietzsche. Not that Nietzsche is the designer of what he transmitted, but merely someone who noticed it and saw where it was going. I always feel a bit averse to mentioning people like Evola or Nietzsche. So many think it´s about the author. It isn´t. That shit could have been published anonymously. Maybe it should have been. Forget all the claptrap, what philosophers say is systemic. It´s the correlation that matters. Do the words conform to your intuition, experience and to world history?

    These aren´t political authors. There´s never going to be an Alt-“Right” civilization.

    Evola is spinning at lightning speed in his grave. Except he wasn´t buried, but burned.

    The Alt-R doesn´t but remotely perceive through an approximate conception of the world they´re living in. They don´t even get some of the authors that they cite and namedrop. Alt-R is “dudes.”

    Firstly, all the civilizations previous to us were para-mundanely religious.

    The Alt-R is mostly mundanely religious, if at all.

    Some are traditionalist, but they generally do not have a ‘traditional’ experience of religion. It´s WN rebranded with/because of a Cathedral guy (Trump).

    How new civilizations are born, or reborn, is an amazing process. It defies gravity. It defies law. It defies history. It´s occult. It´s really some advanced physix. An event. An invasion. Of a form. A dimensional bleedthrough.

    The Alt-R is nothing like what the reports are that we have from the history of real civilizations. I don´t mean because of the technology.

    Sorry, you guys are idiots.

    A hodgepodge.

    All civilizations are born from an elite. Who mastered their environment and were anything but a hodgepodge. So far as the Middle Ages contained a civilization it was a continuation of the Roman. The concept of “Western Civilization” didn´t come until the 17th century. Everybody who mattered looked upon themselves as Romans. Because that´s their civilization.

    WN/Alt-R has no communities. No religion, and it certainly isn´t an elite.

    Before the monkeys come jumping at me: ‘elite’ doesnt´t even mean what you think it does. You´re using a subverted meaning of it. A slave´s meaning.

    There´ll be no rebirth until this “collapse of meaning” is over.

    ‘All you can do’ until then is tell the truth as you know it.

    “For quite some time now it has become almost commonplace to talk about the
    ‘decline of the West’ and the crisis of contemporary civilization, its dangers,
    and the havoc it has caused. Also, new prophecies concerning Europe’s or the world’s
    future are being formulated, and various appeals to “defend” the West are made
    from various quarters.

    In all this concern there is generally very little that goes beyond the amateurish-
    ness of intellectuals. It would be all too easy to show how often these views lack true
    principles, and how what is being rejected is often still unconsciously retained by
    those who wish to react, and how for the most part people do not really know what
    they want, since they obey irrational impulses. This is especially true on the practical
    plane where we find violent and chaotic expressions typical of a “protest” that wishes
    to be global, though it is inspired only by the contingent and terminal forms of the
    latest civilization.

    Therefore, even though it would be rash to see in these phenomena of protest
    something positive, they nevertheless have the value of a symptom; these phenom-
    ena clearly illustrate that beliefs that were once taken for granted today no longer
    are, and that the idyllic perspectives of “evolutionism” have come of age. An uncon-
    scious defense mechanism, however, prevents people from going beyond a certain
    limit; this mechanism is similar to the instinct found in sleepwalkers who lack the
    perception of height as they amble about. Some pseudointellectual and irrational
    reactions seem to have no other effect than to distract modem humans and prevent
    them from becoming fully aware of that global and dreadful perspective according
    to which the modem world appears as a lifeless body falling down a slope, which
    nothing can possibly stop.

    There are diseases that incubate for a long time and become manifest only
    when their hidden work has almost ended. This is the case of man’s fall from the
    ways of what he once glorified as civilization par excellence. Though modern
    men have come to perceive the West’s bleak future only recently, there are causes
    that have been active for centuries that have contributed to spiritual and material
    degeneration. These causes have not only taken away from most people the possi-
    bility of revolt and the return to normalcy and health, but most of all, they have taken
    away the ability to understand what true normalcy and health really mean.

    Thus, no matter how sincere the intention animating those who today attempt to
    revolt and to sound the alarm may be, we should not cherish false hopes concerning
    the outcome. It is not easy to realize how deep we must dig before we hit the only
    root from which the contemporary, negative forms have sprung as natural and neces-
    sary consequences. The same holds true for those forms that even the boldest spirits
    do not cease to presuppose and to employ in their ways of thinking, feeling, and
    acting. Some people “react”; others “protest.” How could it be otherwise considering
    the hopeless features of contemporary society, morality, politics, and culture? And
    yet these are only “reactions” and not actions, or positive movements, that originate
    from the inner dimension and testify to the possession of a foundation, a principle, or
    a center. In the West, too many adaptations and “reactions” have taken place. Expe-
    rience has shown that nothing that truly matters can be achieved in this way. What is
    really needed is not to toss back and forth in a bed of agony, but to awaken and get
    up.

    Things have reached such a low point nowadays that I wonder who would be
    capable of assessing the modem world as a whole, rather than just some of its par-
    ticular aspects (such as “technocracy” or the “consumer society”), and of under-
    standing its ultimate meaning. This would be the real starting point. ”

    (1964)

    Who can make the muddy water clear? Who can secure the condition of rest? . . .

    — Tao te Ching, 15
    (from R. Van Over, Chinese Mystics)

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    michael Reply:

    all that is needed is enough blood and no more talk

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Why don´t you post on an Alt-R site? This is not the type of chanting that belongs at NRx sites.

    michael Reply:

    maybe you should read the hestia society home page white people are all over the manifesto i know that was so 2015 nrx.

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    michael Reply:

    well then your brand of reaction should stop claiming to be conservative and make that clear. Because up to a few months ago NRX was conservative if you read the Hestia society page and every blog but this one its still clear reaction is conservative not progressive.
    And BTW people dont exit as individuals [another liberal theme] they exit as groups.Not that anyone’s going anywhere because that would involve a decision and we all know nrx cant decide anything

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    These groups don´t exist. They might be formed in some future civil war.

    Joe Reply:

    “it baffles my how anyone can look at the white race circa 2016 and believe that Europe or America will advance any of those things anytime soon”

    And yet I would wager that over the medium to long term the white NRx types end up preferring to live in the whiter parts of the world.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This is just a WN obsession. I´ve lived in India, I liked it a lot. I was in no threat no matter where I wandered in Mumbai (of course, I didn´t go everywhere. But I wouldn´t even do that in Oslo, would I?). Great food cheaper then you´d believe, not too hot, and certainly not too cold, friendly people, typically very courteous to whites, endless opportunities.

    I was near one of their top universities. Millions apply every year, thousands get in. It´s their MIT. IIT (Indian Institute of Technology). I wandered around campus freely even though I was just some random white guy, even into the dorms, lol, couple of guys invited me to watch a movie with them. Later the school had a festival with dozens of global corps showing wares, such as Microsoft, Johnson and Johnson.

    I´ve been in Peru too. Pretty much the same conditions there.

    NRx is not really a bourgeois affair.

    Some nations welcome whites, “colonialism” and have even destroyed Communism. Haven´t you seen «The Act of Killing»? It´s got beautiful mall scenes.
    By the way, KFC in India is about the same as in Iceland.
    Not everyone welcomes terrorist Mandela…

    Mild Troll Reply:

    Both the alt-right and NRx agree that whites are better at civilization than brown people, but so are asians and ashkenazi Jews. It’s easy to point to objective measures like IQ and MAO-3R alleles in looking at black average intelligence and temperament, but with asians and Jews we have to get all nebulous and propose that there is some kind of creativity advantage embedded in white genes versus asians, and versus Jews, Jews just plain have the evil gene somehow don’t ask us to identify it.

    The other issue is the order of things. If someone sides with whites because they are objectively superior by some favored measure that’s very different from siding with whites simply because they are white. There is a hidden divergence point there to be revealed once something better than whites comes along.

    The alt-right and NRx might both side with whites in the short term simply because of self-interest; being largely composed of whites, but in the long term the alt-right is siding with whites for reasons of my race, right or wrong, whereas NRx, or at least the technocommercialist wing of it, is siding with whites because whites have high genetic potential for civilization and technological progress. In one world view, whites are central. In another, intelligence is central, and whites just become a means to intelligence, a stepping stone but a limited human one. If the Chinese all start turning into 200 IQ+ genefreaks and cyborgs while the West dopes itself into corn syrup oblivion, then NRx Exits the failed UScorp, and joins the people turning themselves into ubermensch.

    And that’s the whole issue. The alt-right, and Neonazism in particular simply assume the status of ubermensch is achieved through restoration, and no higher status can be achieved than what Aryan flesh, blood, and their attending traditions give us. The ubermensch of NRx, and technocommercialism in particular, lies in transcending (Exiting) all limits no matter what racial aesthetics might be cast off in the process.

    michael Reply:

    Oh YES If they were in South Africa today they wouldn’t be so glib the fact is they don’t believe there really will be a collapse.They believe themselves capable of exiting to outer space downloading their consciousness talking the world into something called neocameralism but incapable of defending their nation from commie scum

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I for one have always rejected the idea that you can “download your consciousness” since I first heard of it years ago

    Brett Stevens Reply:

    Of course whiteness has a value per se; look at all that whites have contributed to history.

    Even more, rationalism is a philosophical failure. Look at gradualism and what evolves, as Mr. Land writes about constantly here. There is no way to objectively define a future magical race based on money alone. We each have pride in our own.

    Further, as I have written about here, “exit” is a figurative and not literal notion.

    The problem with libertarians is that too many buy into the liberal idea that a “system” can replace the elements of a successful society: culture, race, hierarchy, and transcendental goal.

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    Mild Troll Reply:

    Culture, race, and hierarchy are systems, and a transcendental goal will always change what the culture, race, and hierarchy actually are specifically, since transcendental goals produce “progress”. To transcend means to go beyond limits. It’s possible to try and restrict the transcendence to an imaginary realm as in religion to produce social cohesion and a motivating higher ideal, but in the long run, the transcendence will always find a way to be expressed in the real world, and religions do that by spreading, homogenizing, and democratizing, leading to the degeneration of the very mechanisms that allowed them to be successful. Stasis takes over, and so that religion exhausts its transcendental power.

    There will never be a communistic “end of history” in which culture, race(more like kind or type more generally), and hierarchy stop existing, but which particular culture, race, and form of hierarchical organization is suited to future challenges is constantly under question. History doesn’t end, but it does move. Whites can’t stop history in the 1930s anymore than a communist can freeze history at the moment of revolution.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >no way to objectively define a future magical race based on money alone.

    razza “race, breed, lineage, family” (16c.)

    < power

    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Well Seth where do white people do this and who with?

    Exit is the last indulgence of Liberty, of Democracy, of Tolerance.

    Exit is to be A Citizen of The World.

    Until the World and reality intrude.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    White people have always been citizens of the world. “Europe” is a historically recent delimitation. It used to be Rome, capital of the world ever on expansion operations.

    Or London, ever on expansion operations.

    These were tribes, really. British aristocracy was Norman. It came only through outsiders invading Britain, not being deluded by a static consciousness.

    The commenting of voice on this site is getting utterly tired. You´re calling for action by white groups that are nonexistent. You´ve failed to understand history. White Nationalism has been crying this voice for 50 years.

    It´s the same “White people wake up” as Hitler´s, except he said Germans.

    If you ain´t got anything technocommecrialist & or historically informed to say, you´re trolling. “White people” or “White race” as a concept didn´t exist until the 17th century.

    michael Reply:

    which makes sense Brett because formalism involves ownership which comes out of violence and white men own that world any day white men want they can put george soros hillary clinton and barack obama up against a wall and shoot them, white men still own the patch known as USA and Europe and the anglosphere
    Our civilization is not tired its under assault and we have been patient some of us have been turned into faggots but it really doesnt take many white men to evict vermin that have overun out institutions.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This requires group formation through virtually absolute downfall of the Cathedral.

    The Cathedral is a type of consciousness.

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    michael Reply:

    so overcoming your enemies requires they die first brilliant. Ok NRX used to have some respect for evolution while you are waiting for your competition to get tired of outcompeting you, your new master [islam altright niggers ?] is selecting itself against your present master.
    Do you have any idea how men become worthy to rule? they kill the old ruler. war swims right.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Evolution is certainly central to NRx.

    But as I was directing at above, it is only through certain conditions that civilizations are formed. Either these conditions are existent, or they are not. They are not. The Alt-R is not going to evolve into an ethnos or a realm. It´s only when the conditions for a Right appear that a Right evolves.

    Brett Stevens Reply:

    I agree, Michael. When 2% see the same goal, they are going to evict the rot and replace it with new life.

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    Bob Reply:

    I don’t know if that’s the best definition. It seems to me that at base the alt-right is an expression of populist white nationalism, which is an egalitarian impulse. In practical implementation, this can involve varying degrees of inequality and hierarchy, but they’re not ends in themselves, rather they’re means towards promoting a certain fraternal order.

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    admin Reply:

    Yup.

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    Ahote Reply:

    Brown on the outside, red on the inside

    …however the interesting thing about the actual *Communist* states is how hierarchical they were in practice. They’ve had strict command structure, of course, but in addition to that, despite proclaiming everyone equal, in practice it wasn’t so, there was an informal (except in the case of DPRK) birth-based caste system e.g. if you wanted to apply to be a police officer, in addition to being a party-member in good standing you also had to have a suitable background, and the right family history (so, nothing for you if grandpa fought on the counter-revolutionary side). They also tended to be fairly racist and homophobic.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    It´s not strictly hier-archy, more like multilayered beuro- & nepotarchy — to be pedantic. The former operates in very anti-communist societies, which is why it has ‘hier’ there. Cf. sacred Greece & sacred Rome.

    ▬ „The distinctive social relationship of ancient Rome was that between patron (patronus) and client (cliens). Although the obligations of this relationship were mutual, they were also hierarchical. The relationship was not a unit, but a network (clientela), as a patronus might himself be obligated to someone of higher status or greater power, and a cliens might have more than one patron, whose interests might come into conflict. If the familia was the discrete unit underlying society, these interlocking networks countered that autonomy and created the bonds that made a complex society possible. Although one of the major spheres of activity within patron-client relations was the law courts, patronage was not itself a legal contract; the pressures to uphold one’s obligations were moral, founded on the quality of fides, “trust” (see Values below), and the mos. Patronage served as a model when conquerors or governors abroad established personal ties as patron to whole communities, ties which then might be perpetuated as a family obligation. In this sense, mos becomes less a matter of unchanging tradition than precedent.”

    michael Reply:

    I cant speak what the “alt right” is, from occasionally browsing their sites they seem to have quite a range of ideas about “implementation”. In fact while its true some range fairly deep into WN territory others range well into NRX territory,In fact some NRX blogs including Hestia are clearly advocating a white state although they use euphemisms like ” remaking western civilization” and “we believe in the sovereign unity of western civilization” Many alt rights seem to advocate against democracy and for authoritarian government few that are not actually WN or neonazi advocate for socialism in any form. Conversely many clearly NRX sites use fascist touchstone is artwork and memes. Any reading of the Dark enlightenment, altright, neoreaction up to about 18 months ago were used interchangeably.The tools used to deconstruct western civilization have been the denial of HBD [human capital selected by evolution] and the denial of capitalism a synthetic version of evolution.Its argued democracy has allowed this to happen however its clear that the finest human capital and capitalist technological advances came under democratic systems and the proletariat of those democracies are still being dragged kicking and screaming into marxism. while non democratic civilizations quickly adopted marxism while continuing their racial superiority . Economically even highly intelligent non europeans to this day can only advance by copying european democracies technology or living parasitically on them. We could continue but thats enough to demonstrate the common denominator is the european race. But of course you know this even marxists know it which is why its such a prize.This is not to say democracy is the greatest system just thats its not the main problem. Since there is still no realistic alternative its a red herring. The low hanging fruit is evicting marxists and non whites from white countries.It would be fine to talk about exit if there were someplace to exit, there is not unless you can talk Putin into a hongkong like partnership in say Kalingrad. China can not be trusted, only euros have this naive idea that you can transcend race.
    Once marxists and non whites were no longer part of a nation all sorts of “reactionary” possibilities come into the realm of possibility. To retake the west you have two options, which must be considered within the time decay of marxist assisted nigger acceleration, The marxist understand they can go no further without turning over the last card and they have, they understand once they did that it was a race to the death. They were careful to do as much stealthily as they could and think they will prevail. Your decision assuming you decide you want to live or care if your children are murdered or enslaved; Is to calculate whether you can stall the process politically by rallying a white populist opposition and or begin plans for war. The argument seems to be a populist opposition can not be controlled and is likely to turn socialist. Even if this were a 100% certainty a socialist caused economic collapse is a 30 year recovery, demographic collapse is forever.MMs cautions and assertions on this are not the last word he never argued it very well and in the end admitted being jewish it seemed risky. Granted id like to salvage the jews if its possible which is certainly debatable. It doesn’t really matter at this point there really no time to do anything else if we are so smart we will stay one step ahead of nazis and socialists frankly i dont think many in the US and europe are into NAZ or SOC except the liberals and we ae going to kill all them during the war well at least the ones who put up a fight. The browns will run the blacks will riot whatever not a big problem. Its doable it needs doing its the ONLY path to a reactionary future.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The headway will come.

    The revolution eats its children.

    ▬ „During the years leading up to 1789, Paris had increasingly become the exclusive city in France, a city-among-cities, with no peer. One of the dynamics behind the destruction of the ancien regime was Paris’ desire to subordinate the legitimate and ancient diversity of the pays (regions) of old France. Paris would become the truly capital city, rather than the body of the king, since in the medieval world, the city or seat of sovereignty, was in the actual person of the king, wherever he happened to be touring. With the Enlightenment justifying its bourgeois aspirations, and Art turning to the bizarre and degenerate, the entire city descended from famine into chaos.

    We can see an analogous process at work today. America has decided to be the “Paris” of a global order which encompasses nothing less than the world plantation. All of the world’s goods flow into American territory, just as French produce and goods flowed into the environs of the burgeoning Parisian enclaves. With a philosophy behind it to justify its aspirations (multiculturalism, tribalism, and the continuance of Revolution), the “new American” seems poised to plunge his country into the same chaos that engulfed France in 1789. This is because, as we all know, the Revolution must play on.”

    ▬ „What happens when 1789 comes round again, & the countryside (this time) is prepared to resist, not just in the Vendee, but all across the planet, when China and Brazil and Portugal all say “no” to the unbridled spread of the end of history? Or will they? Will America be forced to fulminate more Revolution at home, in order both to project enough power, and to maintain enough solidarity to convince the other regions to cooperate? What happens when the Revolution begins to devour its own children? My guess is that the stakes have risen, since America is becoming divided, and losing its power to project grandiosity and force. So there is a lot on the table, to lose, at this point, for the Revolution, with Russia thinking about dusting off the crown of Christ and China waffling over whether liberal democracy is really a valid replacement for a civilization that lasted over 4000 years.”

    http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=7252

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  • illegal Says:

    This morning I woke up to do my daily 4chan and Reddit scans, and came upon the “Morning Joe” interview where the group of societal leaders and cultural programmers agrees together and in direction to their audience of millions that “I refuse to be objective with Donald Trump.” Or something along those lines. And personally, I think this is the baseline illustration of the entire battleground as it stands. This is where the “fight” takes place, this is the place where everything else pivots from.

    The left “refuses” to be objective about certain things. They refuse “realism” as it pertains to race. They “refuse” to “talk about” certain subjects: eugenics, the Holocaust, slavery. These things have been demarcated by a clique of consistent thinkers and makers of public policy and thought, as belonging to a certain type of subject, that is: things which we are allowed to refuse to be “objective” about and still keep our jobs. In fact, to NOT refuse to be objective about these subjects would be to seriously risk losing your job. Who makes and maintains these conditions? What is their source?

    So the question is quite simply how this anti-objectivity (as well as all memes) is kept in its position of authority and power. The answer is simple at first: it is kept in that position by individuals. People. There is no meme without a person to espouse it. A meme is created and passed down, with a smaller group of people ensuring its protection from the top.

    Ultimately if one really wants to look at the “enemy” – that is those who stand in front of the general reaction to or progress away from The Cathedral, one needs only look at those groups and individuals who as a matter of fact are most directly responsible for the maintenance and consistent reinforcement of those memes in the public mind.

    All memes are basically just connections between symbols and ideas. If you connect the word “Holocaust” with the same image, sounds, and collection of thoughts over and over again, then eventually it comes to be a potent meme in the public mind. You can also meme behaviors related to memes. For instance, you can meme the idea that “Anyone who seems to be separate from this meme should be treated in X way.” This can be done very effectively with movies. You can easily demonstrate a setting and a archetype of an idea, and then demonstrate the correct behavior and attitude to take toward that subject. When you repeat this enough times, eventually the meme becomes deeply installed into the cultural bedrock. Following this it is simply a matter of meme maintenance, and basically just making sure to continually remind people that the meme is still there.

    Everything comes back to this. There is no other explanation for why people believe what they experience to have the meaning it does. Everything is memes.

    When we think about NRX and the Alt-Right, it is largely a matter of the right wing taking back the memetic power from the small numbers of people who currently have the most control over the most powerful meme distribution channels: Hollywood, TV news, the music industry, the government, the educational system, and internet news sources. These meme distribution channels are almost all coordinated in a certain way in order to maintain a specific certain control over them.

    This is a question in and of itself: how do groups take control of the distribution centers for memes? How could it be that these centers are so deeply and consistently controlled by the same groups and same interests?

    This brings us to the question of the “social self” in comparison with the “rational self.” The rational self may know that there are certain realities about life, however he must remain silent on them in general in order to avoid conflicts. In a multicultural society, one may know full well in his heart and mind that there are differences between the races, however his “social self” does not talk about that in public, because it causes discomfort. I think that this discomfort has actually been a primary motivating force in the collective maintenance of these memes. All public positions do require a person to interact with others in a face to face setting. Thus the “rational self” does not really have the opportunity to make an appearance in these place. It is no coincidence then, that the public meme distribution channels with the most power eventually came to stratify into what they are now. I might be wrong. I do concede that there are many inside the network who do genuinely believe in the mission they are working toward. These people simply cannot be discounted. However it is my belief that such people do often have a “rational self” which is aware of the same things we discuss here in the right wing more openly, and have come to believe that those things are less important than the “cause” they are personally working toward. Everything is politics, and this is no different.

    It is simply no coincidence that most on the Alt and NRX spectrum simply put far less stock into their “social self.” Perhaps they get less pleasure from that part of their existence and generally take more pleasure in the rational process. With this in mind, we can easily see that there is a sort of dividing line between the different ends, and that the general situation can begin to be diagnosed. With a diagnosis, there may be a cure. If realities of life are being denied due to social pressure and discomfort on a wide scale and due to the abstract specifications of the “social network” then perhaps the cure is to attack the social meme in and of itself. Everyone wants to be Stephen Colbert, yet the significance of that desire takes different levels of importance in each of our own lives due to the type of mind we have. What is the social meme?

    Since the model of thought produced and replicated through the 20th century no longer is being enforced via the academy model, and we are slowly switching to the model based on the internet, there comes with that a sort of new style of thinking, I think. More loose, less based around edits and strict control of the text. I am not suggesting a lack of rigor, simply that coherent thought can emerge from a different kind of text. It seems relevant to mention that if we are to discuss the “social meme,” because it is my feeling that this can’t really happen unless the usual idea of “rigorous thought” is in some way modified. The social meme cannot be brought to light from within the merely analytical line of thought. It feels particularly impotent to mention “fist bumps” and “friendly smiles” from within the analytical state. These things are not simply objects of analysis. They form the basis for the human experience, and often transcend beyond conscious deliberation. Thus accessing them from the conscious rational mind is to some degree a waste of time, when it may be more amenable to simply go straight to the root.

    I think that the social meme is basically just the set of social behaviors people live by on a day to day basis. It is these interactions and repeated set of body movements and so on, which basically give the “social self” as well as the universal “social body” its sense of identity. The social body essentially lives in a state of consistent predetermined belief in the notion that everyone already is in agreement. I saw it on “Morning Joe.” The purpose of this analysis was hopefully to come to an understanding of the present social meme so that it can be disabled.

    “We don’t talk about that.” Shifts to a new screen, a new image, a new picture. “We just don’t say that.” Applause, smiles. Discomfort in the body. Several “rational selves” in the audience feel a connection with that item being unspoken. The mode of the apparatus herd is seen to shift forward like a group of yak. New image, change the slide. Always moving away, changing the picture. Bait and switch. Always give just a taste, then rapidly to switch. Trigger the discomfort, then immediately switch to something completely different. Most humans feel a bodily physical reaction to thoughtcrime. Nausea, stomach pain, a sense of vertigo. Even in the most hardened of thought criminals, this experience can persist, particularly when in different social settings. Where the comfort of pure reason is tossed aside in favor of protection of the group identity, or the preservation of the “social self.” This is undoubtedly a matter of survival so there is a reason why it is so passionate. If the social self is destroyed, then the body may not feed itself. Access to money may become more strained, and the self understands that given poor conditions the mental health itself can deteriorate. It is only a matter of life and death.

    Perhaps I’m losing track here. I simply am not really sure what I want to say about this. I do think that the bait and switch is the tool of choice (I’m sure there is a solid French word or something I could use here but I don’t remember what it is “tool de rigour” or something, this is the internet, I’m just a pleb) for the Cathedral social body. Essentially to show the most slight traces of the aura of a thought or image of a thought, and then to switch immediately to the image of “social self.” This is basically what Colbert and friends do on a nightly basis: they display the faint traces of the “image” of the meme in question, and then rapidly switch to a comfortable display of social imagery: smiles, head nods, wide eyes, physical displays. These things are certainly not a matter of rational objective principle, however to the average person they present a calming effect from the potential disaster that would inevitably arise in their lives were they to risk comforting the reality of the world around them head on and without respite.

    Perhaps the solution is the exact opposite: reverse bait and switch. To start with the most outright and comfortable display of social norms, and then to immediately switch to the slight faint trace of some meme which has been generally banished. Or, to start with the trace of the social meme, and then switch with full force to a full blown thoughtcrime. I think this is quite a good idea.

    Example: British man 2016 smiles and laughs to a room of applause. He widens his eyes as he fist bumps a Chinese woman on set. They are sitting together and have margaritas. Suddenly an image of IQ statistics in connection to genes comes onto the screen. A calm, babylike music plays underneath the image. A baseball bat cracks and a crowd of pleasant, normal people claps. Cut back to the group, they are clinking their margaritas. Shot of the audience all together laughing.

    Well, if anything this just shows that Jon Oliver is a master brainwasher and this whole situation is hopeless.

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  • Apatheos Says:

    “If they do not give you work, demand bread. If they refuse you both take bread. It is your sacred right”- Emma Goldman

    What is NRx perspective on Mahmood Mamdani’s Myth of Population Control?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    What would be a good formulation of that theorem*, you think?

    * theoria “viewing.”

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    Apatheos Reply:

    Malthusian implementation tends to be by wage laborers with little training in complex dynamic systems science. I think this raises aesthetical and ethical issues and that these ought to be taken separately.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´m not learned enough in this galaxy of conceptions.

    What is the most significant summary of “Mahmood Mamdani’s Myth of Population Control”? At least that thou could muster.

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  • Bigot Says:

    This is definitely not a walking through the gates moment. We’ve just arrived at the gate and now we’re unsure of whether to knock and ask to come in or prepare the battering rams.

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  • Asher Says:

    Nrx is the theory, alt-right is the practice?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    No, that´s not remotely accurate.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    exchange of ideas between NRx and Altright lead to their isolation from bigger playground outside, as in each case you are recepient of criticue, irrespective if your positition more on right or more on left. if someone want to render NRx and Altright obsolete he will do just that, intensify exchange of criticue, lock down each positions on each other, that way effectively destroying both in one move.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    NRx is at its best when it shuts up about AR.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Putting it as AR is interesting — considering it´s an Indoeuropean root.

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  • Bob Says:

    Both the Alt-Right and Nrx are illiberal and grew out of similar online subcultures during roughly the same era. That’s basically what they have in common.

    The Alt-Right seems to be a kind of populist white nationalism, while Nrx seems to be illiberal libertarianism.

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    Brett Stevens Reply:

    The problem with white nationalism is that, although it is based on a Right-wing theory (nationalism), it is implemented as a Left-wing ideal (egalitarian).

    This is why nationalism itself makes sense, but only as a component of a civilization. The Radical Traditionalists were right: all institutions need to be in unison, including race, religion, markets, hierarchy and culture.

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    michael Reply:

    Brett from your blog and associations i take it youre altright leaning nrx, im although you will all laugh nrx leaning alt right.
    I dont spend much time at alt right or WN But the charge around here that they are all commies really seems exaggerated, but worse the charge seems to be you cant want your nation to be say french or english or if an angloshere country european without being a commie by definition. its a word game.
    I know this isnt true because i want an all white US where all commies are shot. In fact i want an all white country because i know communism has a tougher time taking hold without being able to exploit racial difference and when the stock is a high iq independent ethnic stock like whites. and because i know in an all white nation I will be able to successfully compete against other nations at bay and because in a all white nation culturally confident i can institute innovations based on the dark enlightenment because white are not threatened by such innovations we will be weaponized by them.And of course because I like my people and our culture i enjoy them I can not imagine how those living in Asia full time bear it. and lastly because its my evolutionary duty to fight like hell for my geneline. If my geneline crisprs face tentacles in 500 years so be it 5000 years ago i picked up a red beard from neanderthals, From now on my choices will be deliberate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Communism takes hold easier when allowed to exploit homogenity. It’s easy mode, the systematization of “noblesse oblige” can happen almost unnoticed to a prosperous and laborious race. Nothing noble about it anymore once it’s hardcoded in our ecosystem. This is understood at the gut level even by the “beneficiaries” of such misguided mechanisms, unless they evolve parasitism.

    At least the globalists aren’t lazy, uncharitable commies.

    What the white race really needs is the opposite: Adversity, to help them evolve, assuming we deserve it. Humans in general are increasingly useless and powerless.

    The further we postpone the massive cullings and “upgrades” that would leave a humanity worthy of the future, and able to navigate it, the worse it will be.

    I too would prefer a less fucking insane evolutionary environment, but we don’t get to pick.

    michael Reply:

    @ anonymous

    euroman is about 15% of the world pop, as far as Im concerned you can cull the entire other 85% if you need to. however Id prefer to keep manageable populations in game preserves in their natural, pre white contact states.
    Have to disagree about class communism pretty sure it collapsed in the 80s never sold well among whites trying to get whites to steal from their betters failed , was not ideology of the lower classes but a utopian dream of the upper classes, they had to make it about racial redistribution and link it to some religion about living for others. so instead about stealing from the rich it became about giving away your wealth total opposite. you dont seriously think niggers take from us no we give to them.
    however this shits out of hand and getting dangerous.niggers got to go, promise when niggers go whites wont steal from whites, some whites might decide to share risk thats their choice i would suggest to them use a third party to keep it honest.
    Noblesse oblige is not charity its duty, you do not let your culture be defiled by pornagraphy nigger music jew propaganda your schools become dumbed down to make niggers look good your intellectual property to be stolen by pirates your manufacturing to be outsourced by corporatists your homeland overrun by scum, you raise up your proletariat like your own children some will be more gifted some more loved but all will be respected treated fairly and with dignity and an opportunity to contribute productively

    michael Reply:

    @ anonymous

    huh which globalist are not lazy uncharitable commies? Soros Clinton Merkel Junger Gates with his 4 billion nigger babies he has no intention of supporting,Maybe you mean the bankers who are financing the marxists for a cut, or fucking who?

    Oh I know you mean the plumber types like me who have the temerity to think he ought to get $120 hour when houses cost 2 million in niggerville. One day Ill take you through fluid dynamics, then diesel mechanics, aeronautical engineering, mig tig arc welding falconry, hunting firearms racecar building and fighting and i dont know a hundred other things you millenial pajama boy coders dont know shit about with the grip strength of middle aged woman and we will see who ought to command the higher income,

    every day i watch stupid fucking yuppie faggots hire niggers and spics to fuck their shit up and be too stupid to know they just paid to have their shit destroyed, but Im glad youre happy youre getting a better price, enjoy paying for the next 20 generations of their useless progeny

    michael Reply:

    @ anonymous

    you know what really bugging me about NRX lately the utter faggotry its become an excuse for pajama boys to excuse their cowardice and dress it up as a superior intellectual vision.
    You want to know what Gnon has in store for guys like you google south africa

    Anonymous Reply:

    You misunderstand me. I’m not even NRX if you assume NRX = techno-capital worship.

    It’s you who are cowards, blind to our degeneration as a race and culture, blind to the future of our planet, our species and our artificial systems, looking for yet another way to cheat instead of paying our debts to Gnon.

    You can sterilize the niggers and stop importing them or whatever, in fact that’s probably a good idea but don’t sell an uncharitable “withdrawal” of communism (While keeping it yourselves) as any kind of real solution, at least not for the problems we are trying to address (I think?). And please don’t whine when something else sterilizes cryptocommie white plebs in turn, that’s probably a good idea too.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    I think nationalism, if we understand the word nationem in its Latin sense as “that which has been born,” basically a race, is something you can either acknowledge or not — for a while longer. HBD and ev-psych can look at something like nationalism/racism from a second order vantage.

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  • Vltra Says:

    UltRight is the (im)practice.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    i´m imperfect for imperium

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  • Asher Says:

    In case anyone’s interested, I just found out two days ago I’m 1/8th Jew. Frankly, I’m not even interested.

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    Nrx is Moldbuggism for the masses, the alt-right is a simulacrum of a simulacrum.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    So far I’ve only seen it asserted rather than proved that the alt-right is populist. *Popular* they are, but with their idolization of Hitler, Mussolini, and now Trump, it is manifestly inaccurate to characterize them as populist. The two differences between nrx and the alt-right that I see are alt-righters 1. aren’t often critical or reflective and aren’t much more than meme-puppets, and 2. emphatically point to Jews as the current holders of the reins of the fate of the West.

    What both ideologies (or if you prefer ethoi) have in common is unwitting implicit populism. Aside from Land, Donald, and maybe a couple others, nrx is composed of hoi polloi who happily voice their political opinions – myself now for instance – and therefore can be characterized as populist, i.e. trusting in the power of regular people. And of course this is more obvious with alt-righters from the nrx-eye-view, but inherent to the essence of nrx itself nonetheless.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    In the case of NRx it isn´t unwitting. It´s witting. NRx signals to what it regards as its approximately equal peers, and superiors.

    >Moldbuggism for the masses

    How so?

    >trusting in the power of regular people.

    What´s that supposed to mean?

    >inherent to the essence of nrx itself nonetheless.

    How?

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    michael Reply:

    yeah i saw the old v new marxist map earlier they are almost recovered we never will if we dont fight

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Examine what is under our nose, the context this all takes place in. Blogging? Do aristocrats blog? Land does but that’s because he’s the shaman. (Moldbug is like his spirit animal.) We’re a bunch of the sooty villagers that occasionally step into his tent for a reality-adjustment.

    Land’s essay The Dark Enlightenment is merely an essay, that is to say, it is superficial, it is not comprehensive; it is an inverted communist manifesto, a pamphlet for disgruntled slaves. Then we have his Neoreaction tab at the top there. What’s in that? A handful of hedonistic little snippets for a handful of hedonistic little puppets. And now squint at the order of operations of the day to day of this blog. Land quotes or asserts his opinion, doesn’t really back it up, everybody laps it up nodding assent like old birds in church hearing the good news. Land’s blog is for regular people, just above average regular people. Therefore Land’s blog is quasi-populist.

    Neoreactionaries take themselves to be priest-types–and they are, compared to, say, progs and alt-righters–but we are still the laity, we are rabble, this is a rabble-ion not a rebellion, a slave-revolt as the shaman of shamans refers to it (if one were to overlook the fact that Plato makes him look like a maenad).

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Land quotes or asserts his opinion, doesn’t really back it up, everybody laps it up nodding assent like old birds in church hearing the good news.

    Right, there’s never any debate in these threads. Just supplication and nodding.

    And insofar as there is assent, since when does assent with a writer or thinker one (broadly) agrees with have anything to do with populism? Bizarre connection you’re trying to construct here.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    We, the neoreactionary people, are against the cathedralist elites.

    Key word is “(broadly)” – Land exercises a sort of hypnotism; it’s so effective largely because his subjects are so small, hence the neoreactionary *people*.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    lol

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You certainly are speaking for yourself.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    This coming from the most Lander-than-thou of them all.

    admin Reply:

    Holy Gnon Abomenon you’re boring. Why the Hell do you visit this place? Clearly neither you or anybody else is getting anything out of it. There’s a big Internet out there …

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I thought about your two meatier posts, and aside from the exaggerations, they´re good. ‘Good’ can mean ‘amusing’, ‘some approximate conceptions.’

    But I ain´t a member of no NRx group or polloi. In fact I never even agreed with the exact word ‘reaction’. I´ve never identified as a reactionary. I stumbled upon Mr. MM and then Mr. Land a couple of years ago. I´d been into roughly the same interests as they since I was a kid. “Global domination ruling ma thoughts…”

    A lot of people confuse NRx “as a community” or a “project” with NRx as a tag for a philosophical theorem.

    ▬ “Whether considered within the registers of physics, physiology, or politics, ‘reaction’ is a time-structured notion. It follows an action or stimulus, which it reaches back through, in order to annul or counteract a disequilibrium or disturbance. Whilst subsequent to an action, it operates in alignment with what came before: the track, or legacy, that defines the path of reversal, or the target of restoration. …

    Reaction forges, or excavates, an occult pact between the future and the past, setting both against the present, in concert, and thus differentiating itself from progressivism (which unites the present and future against the past), and conservatism (which unites past and present against the future). Its bond with time as outsideness carries it ever further beyond the moment and its decay, into a twin horizon of anterior and posterior remoteness.”

    This specific definition of ‘reaction’ is the only reaction I´m interested in.

    Otherwise I´m into wu-wei, spontaneous acting.

    I wouldn´t care if a Swiss

    midget

    had written this.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    Someone just tweeted: Leftists think calling someone “bigot” means they “win.” Altright thinks berating randoms on Twitter means they “win”

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    For something to be the case it isn’t necessary that it be intuitive. To me, one of the chief differences is this: does HBD mean moar identity politics or does it mean the opposite plus accepting a post-human future? Of course it means the latter if you think it through. Two who understand this are admin and Razib Khan. Anything less is romanticism and distinct from hardcore Gnon worship and that includes the alt-right, though I look at mean alt-right sites and blogs as aggregators for race/crime news

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Avoidance of Gnonic confrontations is the mark of identity politics *as well as* NRx who shy away from HBD.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Well formulated.

    Certainly, the typical Alt-R understanding of race isn´t high grade. It is indeed, identity politics. It´s a high-school yard. (But so is a lot of “normie” society, not that they are my norm nor anything like normans.)

    But I think to absolutely get rid of id. politics is a total dork´s dream (intellectual in the profane-pejorative sense): you have no “I” without identity. Because an “I” is an identity, and an identity is an “I”. An egoless world is a heaven on earth. I am all for reducing identity politics, but thinking they can be done with is a belief in an absolute singularity rather than a comparative one. It´s “Lion shall lay down with the lamb” shit. Commie shit. Anarchist dream. (Cf. “Anarchist Transhumanism”.)

    >For something to be the case it isn’t necessary that it be intuitive

    This really depends on what ‘intuitive’ means. Etymologically, you cannot know anything without having an intuition of it. This means ‘having learned of it.’ I.e. you know it because you came to know it.

    Something absolutely unknown to you is just that, you don´t even have it as a case in your imagination.

    Certainly, it can still be. But not in philosophy, since philosophy is all about knowing one way or another. At least knowing that you don´t know.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    I have never once thought that the post-human future would be utopian.

    Also, just as Kant logically makes the case that there could be different forms of intuition other than sensibility, I don’t see why there can’t other forms of cognition not relying on a subject as we know it. I have a good idea, I like to think, of what is coming down the pike, but not that good.

    In th’ grimdark future…

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Well, I´m all ears. There certainly is too little of Transhumanist discussion on this site.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    “I don’t see why there can’t be other forms of cognition not relying on a subject as we know it.”

    Neither do people such as this friendly freak –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_XTjARGt60

    In fact they insist that only cognition without a subject ever realizes reality.
    No subject ever passes through the gateless gate.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Here’s a far more lucid, less eccentric exposition of the subject –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5vsjWW0nI

    (no mention of any cats being sold to the Gypsies)

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Somehow I don’t think anyone will edit their genes to more resemble this guy.

    Are machines subjects? That’s more along the lines of what I meant.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    No, machines do not have a subject.

    And will never have.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    “Are machines subjects?”

    I suppose the Advaita answer would be something along the lines of: “only if they’re as ultimately deluded about their real nature as humans are.”

    BTW, no gene editing required to resemble that Nirgun guy. Just take lots and lots of acid.

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  • smg Says:

    Apropos of nothing, some might like to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scBOjH5sKbM

    Million Dollar Extreme is Sam Hyde & friends. They do a short comedy gig on Adult Swim (USA) & offer something I didn’t think I’d see in my lifetime. Political (sometimes) comedy from a (sometimes) alt-right perspective. The segment above is a brutally anti-feminist. “Stuff” appear to be leaking into mainstream.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Just checked out Sam Hyde´s shit, it´s funny. He´s legit funny. Never really knew who he is, seemed to me he was an ex-friend of weev´s who got hated by the young WNs/Anime Nazis.

    The intro to his show is great. This scene mentions David Duke.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    >ARISTOCRATS WOULD NEVER BLOG

    What an idiot.

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    Blind Guido von List Reply:

    Read the Phaedrus, text is an inferior means of transmuting esoteric messages.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yet Platón´s were texts. Anyway, your message is blind.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Linguistic superstition is annoying and pathetic.

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  • Bob Says:

    Defining alt-right as populist white nationalism is not a value judgment or a pejorative. There’s nothing wrong with it, and nothing to be defensive about.

    In general, the alt-right seems to be far more contemptuous of nrx for being some sort of species of libertarianism than vice versa. You don’t really see the same sort of vituperation from nrx towards the alt-right as you do from the alt-right towards nrx. Nrx seems to regard the alt-right as a normal and natural phenomenon, while the alt-right regards nrx as an eccentric aberration at best.

    Obviously the alt-right is not communism, although certainly a socialist or communist political economy is not incompatible with the alt-right. Indeed some in the alt-right seem to prefer a more egalitarian political economy and will make the argument that such an order is more feasible in a populist white nationalist context.

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  • michael Says:

    @Dick Wagner

    One can never be too rich or too thin

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Hey Mikey you are like one of those guard dogs Socrates talks about in the Republic. I bet this will make you wag your tail:

    “I miss the kids. I remember when I was ten and I had a black boy to play with … not far from here as a matter of fact. He’s undoubtedly sterilized by now.”
    “But then he’s had one child,” Jason pointed out. “His wife had to surrender their birth coupon when their first and only child came … but they’ve got that child. The law lets them have it. And there’re a million statutes protecting their safety.”
    “Two adults, one child,” the clerk said. “So the black population is halved every generation. Ingenious. You have to hand it to Tidman; he solved the race problem, all right.”
    “Something had to be done,” Jason said; he sat rigidly in his seat, studying the street ahead, searching for a sign of a pol-nat checkpoint or barricade. He saw neither, but how long were they going to have to continue driving?
    “We’re almost there,” the clerk said calmly. He turned his head momentarily to face Jason. “I don’t like your racist views,” he said. “Even if you are paying me five hundred dollars.”
    “There’re enough blacks alive to suit me,” Jason said.
    “And when the last one dies?”
    Jason said, “You can read my mind; I don’t have to tell you.”
    “Christ,” the clerk said, and returned his attention to the street traffic ahead.

    Philip K. Dick, Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said

    I’m perplexed by the lack of genuflection aimed at Dick’s Man in the High Castle in alt-right and nrx circles. Moldbug isn’t art, that’s art. Land should scrap abstract horror and write counter-histories. Philosophy is learning how to die, Genealogy is learning how to kill.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Idk about those circles, but not all circles are visible.

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    michael Reply:

    Leo Paquin tried to teach me latin and classics at Xavier he was one of fordham’s seven blocks of granite I was a bad pupil lazy I had a trick of inserting something about football or Fordham into the conversation which was sure to send him off on a tangent I was a wicked child and by those days they couldn’t beat us too much even in catholic school He got me once though he told me that I was clever not intelligent that I didnt have the fortitude of a scholar. He was right and it hurt I ended up drinking and drugging away most the next 20 years. So you see Im not one of socrates youth Im getting old. But I have always agreed with socrates’s you can not appreciate another culture if you dont first love your own. Its the marxists mistake by teaching the youth to hate their whiteness they have signalled that all culture is bullshit and all youth white or other love nothing to them PC is bullshit too, and so its going to be easy to flip the script on the commies because humans have an evolved need to belong to hope to love.
    Oh Admin likes to get into his Horror on, we watched the man in high castle last year and true detective season 1 before that which was all the rage till the last episode, weird fiction, horror and scifi is us. have you seen the radish stuff?
    My nigger shits a bit overdone lately Im trying to make a point in the most obnoxious and occult way because im an asshole by trade and only a little clever.I give the alt reich just as much shit, they’re both wrong and Im right. At least though the alt right is getting methodical once its worked through all the parts laid out and attempted to be fit together they will see what i mean

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    >This coming from the most Lander-than-thou of them all.

    bitch I was more Lander-than-thou even before I knew Mr. Land existed.

    Where is James Cameron on the Lander-than-thou scale? You´ve posited me at top. I think he´s above Ridley Scott and definitely above J.J. Abrams.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    I think one of the things that doomed and still dooms Anarchism, is that it´s anarchism.

    Which means “a system without rule” — should´ve been Autarchsism:

    “System of self-rule.” Also, as Junger knew:

    Anarch > Anarchist.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Sorry, that was supposed to be Autarchism. Or simply Autism (heh).

    I think “Autism” the Disorder is very badly named. Essentially, the word means nothing but ‘Selfism’.

    That´s Greek ‘autos’ from ‘automatic’ & ‘automobile’. Leave it alone. Britney. Bitch.

    This is a bit like Qwernomics, but with word selection.

    Maybe some Leftists did figure this and saw that Autonomist made more sense than ‘Anarchist’ (I´m referring to e.g. Marxist Autonomists).

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    michael Reply:

    at least when Im talking to myself I think Im being listened to. so why does capitalism work and democracy doesnt?

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    Son of Erik reminds me of a hyena, one that experimented with research chemicals and never came back. Speaking of transhumanism I don’t get the cyborg fascination. I want to see an ayahuasca daily supplement come out of the woodwork. You guys tend to be scientism-ists i/r/t IQ. Does IQ have much to do with one’s attunement to the nature of Being or moreso one’s calculativeness? Nrx rubs me as atheistic in the nasty sense insofar as said attunement and calculativeness are conflated. Progs are right about Love, they just don’t get Tough Love. We need Wagner’s Mitleid and Nietzsche’s anti-Mitleid aufheben’d. NEOACTION.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Dickduck, you´re obviously projecting your wish-someone-would-hang-out-at-my-place-like-they-do-at-Land´s. The defense mechanism suppresses that uncomfortable feeling through an action of “they´re all just hangers on, he´s hypnotized them.”
    In an even deeper layer of yourself there´s a “if he wouldn´t be so hypnotizing, they´d worship me.”

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Thanks for that peek into your subconscious, I’m proud that I could be the whip that you used to flagellate yourself. As Mike noted neoreaction is dead. As someone from a younger generation I’m trying to provide Herr Admin with a symptom of the disease that killed it. Essentially his eschewal of dialectics resulted in a turgidity. But like I said before, Land is a philosopher, that is to say a liar; he has so many masks on I fear that they’ve tilted diagonally to such an extent he’s using them as a “white” cane.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Wow, the mirror defense. Possibly the first defensive reaction that a child human uses. God you´re pathetic. You actually mirrored what I said: “Thanks for a peek into your subconscious [in response to an accurate descriptor of his own behavior.]” Friendless troll.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The bravado about Nietzsche & Wagner, et al. Can we say we have a sensitive “emotionally complex” failed artist here?

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Son of Erik, are you aware that no matter how cool you think Trump is, ad hominem is an official fallacy for good reason? You’re right, I don’t have many friends, and Land’s blog didn’t help with that. Will you quit dirtying it up with your hysterical outbursts my dear boy? I am trying to start a conversation about the nature of Being and you raise your hand and point out that I have a cornflake in my beard.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Look dweebster, you got me so wrong. Your thinking must be real fuzzy “artistic” and emotional. Clustering me with the Alt-Right which I´ve been denouncing here in my recent posts, e.g. yesterday.

    Anyway, you are somehow broken. Why? Because you try to impose moral standards that you from the start were trashing.

    I still think your posts are entertaining, and I even agree with a lot of points. But don´t be whining about no ad hominems when you´re not even conscious of what you yourself deploy as argumentations (everybody see his comments in this thread).

    If you wanna be strictly nonpersonal, then you gotta start the discussion like that. You did not.

    If you want it to go that way, redirect yourself.

    Secondly, you´re anonymous attacking two people under their own names. Which makes you a coward in addition to everything else classified about you so far.

    I know your type. Spewer of moral suggestions which it trashes.

    The only way to show you are not this is to adhere to your own superior morality.

    But Nazis that are unreformable typically cannot do this. “We´re the race that´s so honest, fair dealing and sun-loving. Lets storm these peoples homes, take all their valuable belongings, and send them without everything they´ve worked for to a camp or to another country.”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >moral/logical schizophrenia

    Honestly though, I was like this as well in my early 20´s.

    So, there´s hope for you. 🙂

    I did ayahuasca 7 times (since you mentioned it) in a Peruvian jungle, with indigenous shamans from the Shipibo people. They´re not hucksters from the street, but people who lived in alone in the jungle for 7 years eating nothing but plants (to meet the spirits), doing aya all the time, and smoking tobacco (they regard the spirit of tobacco to be the mother of ayahuasca and say weed is bad but tobacco is good. Understandably, since Peruvian tobacco is the real stuff compared to industrialized western trash. You can taste the difference, your whole body feels it).

    But your chief mistake was to cluster all the commentators here as one type. The best posters here typically look humouristically on Trump.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=humor

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    The first thing that sticks out is you refuse to respond about the nature of Being. How does that rap song go? “Politicikin’ like Sarah Palin”? Or was it Facebookin’? Either would suit you sharply.

    I’m not trashing moral standards per se, I’m trashing the hypocrisy of the libertarians who come here kissing the rings of King Land.

    If you want to play subterranean games: you’re bisexual. I can tell that ol’ Mike here wouldn’t be pleased with that one bit. Land might however based on pseudonymous essays of his he cowardly published.

    A Nazi doesn’t suggest a synthesis of mitleid/anti-mitleid, nor does he try to defend progs in such an environment.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You ask for no ad hominems, get pointed out that you yourself have been making them, and in response you make more of them.

    Cryptogen, fucking kill yourself.

    No, I´m not bi.

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    michael Reply:

    Nononnono

    DICKWAG IM GONNA FUCKING KILL YOU YOU FAGGOT

    michael Reply:

    WAIT! did you just say “what was that rap song” and “im not trashing moral standards per se” in one sentence? I want my MTV.
    BISEXUAL? ya see there you gotta be half a fag just to use that term

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    It´s very funny how you often try to pit Mike against me. Even though many of his posts might be classified as trolling, he´s smarter than you think (you underestimate mostly simply because of the way he types) + he´s a good guy.

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    michael Reply:

    awwwe thats sweet
    Anyway im not against anyone only things people say

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I mean, I know you just want white people to have their own nation. Nothing wrong with that.

    Nobody sane would be against that.

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    michael Reply:

    Right? And it could have a NRX economy and if you want a king thats cool as long as we can kill him if he get to wack. And i say we kill all the retards and if your IQs under 115 you got get a crispr baby

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I have no problem with these things, except I would be very scientific (cautious, long term, studies, etc) about gene experimentation. I´m sure a lot of people would volunteer. But a white nation that has a proper morality comes first. Not very many people here disagree with that.

    Please, though respect our autonomy (us individuals, some chosing “NRx” tag, others not) to distance or distinguish ourselves from Alt-R & Nationalism, and associated forms. We simply have other ways of thinking.

    People have different methods.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I wouldn´t say it´s necessary to kill retards, but as you hint at: biotechnology may have solutions.

    A lot of retards are able to work, and some people enjoy being around them and taking care of them. Now we have robots & stuff.

    Anyway, perhaps you referred to genocidal Communists & terrorists as retards.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    [Cryptogen/Dick Wagner] said >Land quotes or asserts his opinion, doesn’t really back it up, everybody laps it up nodding assent like old birds in church hearing the good news.

    Have you always been so exaggerative? When did it start?

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    michael Reply:

    your white knighting is a little unseamly

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    michael Reply:

    But of course youre a monarchist so its kind of a duty thing to defend the dark lord

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    It´s a symptom of western inner decline that being truthful gets called “white knighting.”

    Properly the term only applies to a male erroneously “defending” a female.

    That it gets thrown around against virtually any honorable action

    is a symptom of those who do so. E.g. trolls & scum.

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    michael Reply:

    erogenously?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “White knighting” refers especially to a feminist male who defends a female in the case that she is materially & objectively wrong.

    I.e. he´s not defending her because she´s reporting a collection of quite accurate statements, but he´s defending her because he feels she´s a victim (and he only actually, in the case as this concept is defined, thinks/feels she´s a victim because she´s a girl and he wants to impress her).

    If we want to promote a white culture, though, it´s strange to use a phrase “white knighting” as a pejorative.

    I suppose though, that “light has to be dark for now” (to paraphrase N).

    I´d call it “fail knighting” e.g. or “fake knighting.”

    As in white culture a real knight wouldn´t defend the wrong.

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  • michael Says:

    You guys see my point yet ,way too much preening going on here lately. half the time people agree but are so concerned they come off like just the right kind of newfag they get n a beef with another and its like some tranny fight i cant watch it it.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    Idk, before “White race” got invented in the 17th century. “White” used to refer to the spiritual class of people. E.g. in Rome and Greece, they wore white robes. Symbolizing purity.

    I like purple & dark blue far better. I used to be into red, but it now seems too hot.

    Of course there´s black. Which I obviously like too. Favor.

    Grey´s good.

    Green, no thanks. (Incidentally Commies love it.)

    I think “whites” as the colour of clothing is usurpers. They never want to get muddy.

    It´s fine for sensitive people to wear, and women. But if an upper class wears it, I´m not sure how that would be right. Would seem like priestly types having wormed themselves to top because of a relatively lost warrior class.

    Black as the colour people wear now often as politicians, does link to a Black Flag (international class, the true anarchs, who sell people oil, wars & drugs), skull & bones, black ops & worse.
    https://youtu.be/q8Ihlxqz4FI

    Yellow is mostly Buddhists, it´s a certain level.

    I´m interested why such an emotionally mangled person as the one behind the moniker Dick Wagner thinks I´m bisexual. Of course it´s stupidity, but I like to study people. It´s very typical stupidity to assume “aha, he likes this he MUST be gay.” I.e. to mistake a certain transcultural fluidity for a necessity for sexual deviation.

    It overlaps with machoness. E.g. Soviet commissar machos would think the Nazis were effet and the Nazis would think the Soviets are devients and buggars. All-too-human for us more intelligent.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    More truthfully, “White race” got an additional definition in the 17th century.

    It was already defined in the Vedas thousands of years ago.

    And for the Greeks, e.g., who had terms for

    blondes, & whites.

    Xanthochroi is a recent term:
    New Latin, coined by T.H. Huxley, from Ancient Greek ξανθός ‎(xanthós, “fair”, “yellow”, “golden”, “blond”) + χρώς ‎(khrṓs, “skin”).
    (anthropology) Pertaining to the Xanthochroi; having fair hair and a pale complexion.

    But don´t leet that fool ya.

    Xanthós is an ancient term, it means ”brown, yellow” and ”sacred,” particularly of hair.

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    michael Reply:

    dont let people live rent free in your head, the proper attitude is fuckem.
    But if you have to know the reason its nothing to do with you its just how guys do monkey business they get in your head.
    What I really want to preserve is the white races, but even in europe theyre quite mixed the whites i mean. so cant be serious about restoring the whites races and the multicultural family we call western civilization without facing facts on the ground which is the superpower white nation is pretty mixed white as are the anglopheres nations a bit less so and the bigger euro countries like britain germany etc lot of EU white immigrants.You want to restore order pretend your god putting away his toys gods mom wants them put back exactly whee he found them hes going to sort the light from dark then sort the types of light. you want to save mankind you have to save euroman. [ yeah i know reactionaries dont want to save anyone blah blah blah] Ypou want to live dont you you want to not be ass raped by niggers in front of your wife then set on fire right? well then you have to restore order. Maybe white nations without the burden of the lower races and the culture of critique will have a renaissance of their unique culture or some riff thee of maybe we will in fact evolve into the “white ” or Euro race I think either works i vote for unique but whatever. Its the only way you get any kind of civilization I dont care if its originalist USA constitution libertarianism alt right or NRX they are all white ideologies they cant work multicultural but we wont survive much longer if we fight about it now. Honestly in a white nation its really going to make little difference democracy has even worked ok so has socialism even been bearable in viking land until niggers. do i think a weaponized reality system will come out ahead sure.
    Its just land has been making with the post human crap and at the same time signalling some shit like well really most whites are just light skinned niggers. which on top of all the very ridiculous exit fantasies monarchy etc is just plain irresponsible if youre going to assume the MM crown.
    and i really dont think moldbug proved a lot of things that go unquestioned and are the exact things that have frozen nrx and caused the schism. sure i get the schism is mostly class signalling but isnt that scary that NRX is now signalling its not AS racist as the Alt right? And I do love breaking class taboos.
    you look at the world greatest strides they happen in white countries undergoing demotism. Land likes to pretend its only whites within the Hajnal lines that are not niggers, but thats not true, greece rome byzantine renaissance italy the usa russia and others, and even within the hajnal its really hard to genetically to even say what an anglo saxon is ask a geneticist, and who made the valyrian steel the celts in eastern europe who kept the lights on through the dark ages and the vikings are not angles and as far as rome was concerned they were all niggers hordes. NIggers have to start somewhere granted its arbitrary if you take lands tack you end up trans or post humanist with the 160s killing the 140s up on elysium which is actually whats happening right now in the west the answer is niggers start at calais. and we try and proceed from where we were so rudely interrupted by marx or if you insist cromwell or athens or whatever.come up with a way around faux democracy ill listen but i see no evidence the lowbrows are the problem its the highbrows. In fact I suspect HBD will prove we whites dont do authority well. thats not to say hierarchy which we excel at.KIngs have stupid sons and power corrupts, also you cant just own a patch nyc my home town was owned by the dutch west india co.or so they thought , the british sailed up one day and peter stuyvesant manned the battery, the town business and property owners went and told him to fuck off they were hiring the british to manage from now on. the people really are sovereign in a sense. In practice they almost never veto their managers. Im a utilitarian by nature i have no real moral problem even with slavery just an intellectual problem. But as i began this conversation with you a week ago theres a lot of infrastructure in a place like the USA and if corporation want to trade the people who own it ought to be compensated to call that socialism is BS to negotiate the relative value of an iphone is capitalism.Joe sixpack knows his contribution to that iphone is infinitesimal but he should get his dividend.Jobs really didnt build that at least he couldnt have done it in pakistan, he couldnt do it in europe with out Idaho farm boys pointing nukes at iran and russia for nokia, he had to have a US education market infrastructure court system. Now that doesnt mean niggers like obama and his minions have even a trillion trillionth contribution because they are not productive they are moochers. so when obama says that hes a lying nigger trying to ride on a truth.And this isnt about tax rates but it is about globalism vs nationalism and what capitalism has become recently and how we need to consider how to preserve it. Lands idea that elysium 160s will simply extract wealth and return soylent green is well besides stealing [which is evolutionarily cool until they catch you] is not sustainable the 160s cant survive alone and even if my IQ were that high i wouldn’t want to live on elysium. I want to live in vienna 1690 only with iphone 99. so im willing to share a little with the idaho farm boys sitting on the wall

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  • michael Says:

    sorry niggers start in tangier and istanbul not calais Generation Identitaire starts in calais

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    >Does IQ have much to do with one’s attunement to the nature of Being or moreso one’s calculativeness

    I.Q., referring to Intelligence Quotient. As Platón said, god geometrizes.

    One´s calculativeness is certainly not absolutely dichotomous

    to one´s attunement with the nature of Being.

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    michael Reply:

    Thats a good question would you rather be right or happy Im always asked. I know what they mean, but I think , “i shouldn’t have to chose and besides i couldn’t be happy pretending what i know is wrong is right. Often these inquisitors are more intelligent than I but we know people less intelligent don’t even bother to question it they simply want to be happy. You get one swing who is the wise philosopher.The answer is everyone is made happy by different things and its not always correlated with ability to do sums, artists are a familiar example. the other half of the problem is what is the nature of the universe or being, can you calculate it at all, does it have any meaning is its meaning knowable or quantifiable do you end like sidarthur laughing like an idiot at the stream after a life of folly or jumping off the cliff into another dimension like castaneda.
    Im a white guy that builds things and systems i get happy when the pieces fit and mad when something’s stupid. I recognize beauty both abstract and fractal. I like complex but not unnecessarily so.
    you like philosophy i think i did too much brain damage during the 70s to be any good at it or maybe my {IQ} is insufficient because i usually end up wanting to cut them [philosophers i try to read ] off and just cut the gordian knot. sure it can be fun to follow them around on their fantasies its like trying to imagine the edge of outer space or gods omniscience or a fucking scifi time machine plot.
    But in trhe end we know damn well we are not in a fucking computer program,
    If there a first cause he made us evolutionary and able to reason to the point we get the mind brain issue and that love is a biochemical carot our dna masters use to get us to fuck for them and therefore the only purpose there is or god has given us power to know to the universe is live to replicate by any means necessary, with any excess resources help the next closest copy to do same rinse repeat. stuffing a billion jews in an oven if it will save you is moral but expect the same. yes sure we have this whole entire morality tree [ like agree not to roast jews in return for same] that proceeds from the second rule of fight club but it always has to be taken back through the blockchain to make sure you’re not fucking a closer copy of your dna. Now that some dark shit. but its really the ONLY purpose to the universe and sure Maybe? we can rebel against DNA now and do what the fuck we want [ but what would gnon think] and we can say well i like how these biochemicals make me feel when i go to church help niggers save whales or study philosophy – But we are fucking with the primal forces of life we are pretending we can do that, this is the other problem with NRX its inventing an entire new culture when we are supposed to be the dark enlightenment that gets evolutionary social biology so what are we going to crispr ourselves before we institute neocameralism or just wing it and see if we adapt? Now until a year ago there was a cultural strain to reaxtion I liked it because its a known way to organize us and its pleasant it releases brain chemicals at i didnt like it because i think christianity is sadly is actually a better candidate for leftism than democracy and its an irrational ideology mated to reaction was absurd as is monarchy. but we need culture to organize and give us a purpose albeit suspect

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    RE: God geometrizes; It depends which perspective you presuppose, that poetry is reduced to math or math to poetry. Couldn’t it have been a poetic maneuver for Plato to paint God as a geometrician? Perhaps God is a crypto-poet.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I don´t see any dichotomy between geometry (“math”) and poetry.

    I think to especially cut off all disciplines is a modern phenomenon, and has to do with some of the modern intellectual prejudice.

    Poetry is geometry.

    http://www.fatuma.net/text/Corbin-Avicenna-and-the-visionary-recital.pdf

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Geometry is poetry. Unless you want to demonstrate with a mathematical proof otherwise. Saying “Poetry is geometry” is itself poetry. http://thegreatthinkers.org/aristotle/commentary/averroes-middle-commentary-on-aristotles-poetics/

    “to especially cut off all disciplines is a modern phenomenon, and has to do with some of the modern intellectual prejudice.” Thanks Adorno. Why doesn’t nrx or the alt-right directly oppose specific arguments made by Frankfart School thinkers anyway? Isn’t that what neoreaction is largely in “reaction” against?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Has the character trait of addressing a distributed group (in multiple countries & multiple, even non-cooperating, websites) as a single audience been a trait of yours since you were a child?

    There was an article about the Frankfurt School on some of the bigger NRx sites recently, I haven´t opened it yet.

    I am very interested in the thoughts of these thinkers.

    What specific argument of theirs (one of theirs, or more) would you be interested in, as it were, having an NRx view or counter-argument on?

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    Michael, do you want to preserve the white race because you’re a white supremacist or because the white race is your race? The latter strikes me as monkey shit. If aliens came to earth who were superior to whites then it would be in whites’ best interest to breed with them. Since these aliens are hypothetical miscegenation is a dysgenic idea. But here’s some thoughtcrime for alt-right types: would it be in whites’ best interest to breed with Jews?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >No breeding with Jennifer Connelly, she´s JEWISH! We´ve got to maintain ze purity of our race!

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Jennifer_Connelly_2010_TIFF.jpg

    Talk about superior genes, I´ve seen 20 yo white girls looking older than this.

    W/ or w/o make-up. >But noo, she´s got the Zerg gene taint! Hi-IQ evil!

    Oh mein Wagner!

    The Zerg invaders are a devious bunch. They are actually reptilian shapeshifters, and they already have their agents on earth, working tirelessly to undermine the White race’s natural defensive instincts. These shapeshifting alien reptiles occupy the highest positions in the ZOG. ZOG does not really mean “Zionist Occupied Government” but “Zerg Occupied Government.” If we want to defeat the evil Zerg invaders, we must contact our National Socialist brothers in Neuschwabenland (in Antarctica) immediately. After all, these dedicated defenders of the Reich and Adolf Hitler (who lives in a secret cave in the Andes, sometimes drinking cheap rum with Miguel Serrano, watching catfights between inbred Teutonic whores from Nueva Germania) have UFO technology, salvaged from top secret technological research facilities in the Third Reich at the end of the Great War to Destroy the Pure Aryans (World War II). These modern National Socialist knights have further developed this UFO technology and are said to have now the capacity to travel twice the speed of light in their “discs.” If it was not for the Bolshevik beasts (that were and are the natural allies of the Zerg invaders – after all, everybody knows that Lenin was a Zerg agent [while not a Reptilian shapeshifter himself, he was a member of the Jewish golem race that the Zerg invaders created aeons ago]), the National Socialists would have been able to defeat the Zerg invaders during the Great War to Destroy the Pure Aryans. Now, the loyal followers of Hitler will soon launch a final crusade to wipe out the Zerg invaders and their insidious golem followers once and for all! They have only hesitated so far because they want to see the course of history develop towards Point Omega. That is when the legendary existence of the Abraxi will be revealed for what it is: a hoax!

    Judaism was heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism (dualism: Heaven and Purgatory, Light and Darkness, Yahweh and Satan, Ahura Mazda and Ahriman). Jews were treated well in the Persian empire after the Persian king Cyrus released the Jews from the Babylonian Captivity and let them move back to Judah. Ahmadinejad must be replaced by a new Cyrus who, instead of wanting to destroy Israel, helps protect and nurture the Jewish state. Israel is successful because it was founded and built by EUROPEAN Jews. Arab states are not successful because they are run by Semites. Iranians are not Semites. They are the brothers of Europeans. Iran and Israel must become true beacons of the Enlightenment in the Middle East, guiding lanterns that illuminate the darkness that the Koran imposes upon an ignorant and savagerace.

    George W. Bush is a shapeshifting alien reptile. Not only him, but Tony Blair and Michael J. Fox as well! Zerg invaders are not overlords. They work behind the scenes. But having once created the golem race (the Jews, who else?), the Zerg invaders have been overthrown by a slave revolt of the golem race. This slave revolt was a subtle one, though, since everybody knows that the golem race is too pussy to actually engage in physical combat. So, this slave revolt was an insidious takeover of power, achieved through deviousness and moneylending (the currency of Zerg is the &%*”’KKKllop). Now, the elitist part of the golem race is working behind the scenes, controlling the Zerg invaders who in turn behind the scenes control the still manipulated golem race who in turn control all the workings and machinations of the White nations.

    Israeli Jews and Iranians are the most advanced peoples in the Middle East. This is entirely due to genetic factors. Israeli Jews and Iranians are closer to us genetically than the primitive Arabs are. This is why an alliance between Iran and Europe/Israel is more natural and sounder than an alliance between Iran and the Arab countries. Israel is basically an integral part of the Occident and Iran can be made to be as well. Once Iran is liberated, it should be settled with European Wehrbauern (warrior farmers) that help lead their Persian brothers back into the cradle of Aryan civilization. The Wehrbauern should lead by example, slowly cleansing Iran of the debilitating spirit of Islam and modernizing the country through technocratic means (education in the arts of true Aryan science to combat Semitic superstition). This is similar to what the National Socialists intended to do with Russia, except that the Russians were not mentally polluted with a beastly religion. Right now, due to Islam’s malign influence, Iran is in a state of devolution. This situation can and should not be accepted by civilized men of the West.

    The golem race needs fresh injections of Zeta juice twice a week. Only the Zerg invaders can provide this life-sustaining elixir as they harvest it on their home planet and ship it regularly to Earth. Every month, the golem race eagerly awaits the Zeta shipment from the Zerg invaders’ home planet. It is because of this fact that the golem race, although nominally lording it over the Zerg invaders, is inextricably bound to the Zerg invaders’ supply chain. After all, the golem race does not have the extrasensory ability to travel between planets. The Zerg invaders set up several stargates on Earth through which they can travel at will, using only their will. The golem race may threaten to artificially manufacture Zeta juice and hence break the Zerg invaders’ monopoly, but this will never come to pass as Zeta juice is not a physical substance but a psychic one. Of course, the golem race does not know this. The Zerg invaders, far from actually being subjugated by the golem race, are quite content with their new status. The Zerg invaders have become astute observers and diligent recorders of the golem race’s international manipulations. The Zerg invaders are content because the golem race is actually doing their bidding. Zeta juice contains mind-altering agents through which the Zerg invaders transmit commands to the golem race.

    follow the moon
    to its conclusion:
    the feminine aspect
    with big tits
    tit for tat!
    sin for solution!
    the bearded prophet
    one of them
    hung like a sheep
    the Abraxi answer:
    follow suit!
    in a suit
    with passion pondering

    There goes the manly delight! In a cell we are all the same. It is called burial desecration. The Zerg invaders poised to invade Iran, used by the Abraxi – to impale the brown horse on the white stick. Good riddance! The skull looking up: killed the babies in cold blood, the newborn born again. Drive the last mile. Dead end alive! No time to be alone. We are memories before the Dawn. Wearing slacks for the party to come, desensitized to ribbons. The son that killed is our Sun. Postmodern. Warhol wars vampires.

    Long live free Iran! HAIL Zarathustra!

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    michael Reply:

    Armenians probably smarter

    michael Reply:

    I dont think the choices are mutually exclusive so my answer is both, and i would expect niggers and chinks to have the same answer and may the best race win, Im pretty confident which race that will be though. Jews oh brother. first off we are really only discussing the ashkenazi living in the west as a problem. Yes i think they are a problem, I also happen to like them when not thinking about the problems they cause, and think their inteligence could be useful.They are also at least 60% european on the maternal side and less than 1% [hasids are a different breed] so I would like to find a final solution that didnt involve lampshades. It may already be happening in as much as they end up in the ivy league and mixing and becoming non religious. It could be argued this isnt helping and argued that some restriction need to be put on them for a while I know one nrx jew who says he will not raise his kids to think they are jewish and thinks thats the way to go its a steep entry price but it we are a pretty exclusive club.The irony is i dont think it needed to be this way jews are actually a fairly decent WC contributor and good have been looked upon as simply another type of southern european, but it is what it is and the nazis are correct there is a problem its not their power or wealth but how they use it and see themselves.I guess the answer is it would be in our minor interest and their major interest.Its the same reason why whiteness is fine for white countries that are too mixed to be unmixed the difference is not major.
    The aliens would have to be killed if they were hostile
    yeah sure we are going to go down the crispr road at some point im pretty sure the races are all going to try and improve themselves as a distinct race I dont niggers will just start having white children or the chinese, if i want better physical qualities i dont need to go nigger i can get height from the danes or dinarics strength from bulgarian or icelandic etc. its really a century yoo soon to know how that will play out

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    As much as I’ve transmogrified into virulent, mouth-frothing, racist scum the last few years I can still appreciate that quote from Land’s book on Bataille where he goes, “Europe is the racial trash-can of Asia, and Britain skims-off Europe’s charred froth. My ancestors were vagrants, whores, and killers. Minds melted by toadstools, they exulted in the ashes of monasteries, the base-line of the human animal, slimed across the sea-rocks of the North.” You can’t go three pages in that book without bustin up chuckling. There isn’t much humor around these parts, let alone joking about one’s own self, one’s own religion, and that is suspicious. The logic of catharsis is three tragedies and a satyr play; here it’s tragedy after tragedy after tragedy after tragedy! Since you all are too busy brachiating to joke here’s one: Supposing Land wanted a black man with a baritone voice to exclaim “You got game, baybeh!” what “game” tactic would L use if his wife employed this shit-test: “Can you not be an accelerationist IN BED?!”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >There isn’t much humor around these parts, let alone joking about one’s own self, one’s own religion, and that is suspicious.

    What are you talking about, weirdo?

    I´m Sam Hyde and you´re a jealous Anime Nazi.

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    No, I’m Randle McMurphy, you’re Nurse Ratched, Mike is Chief Bromden, Land is Ken Kesey.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You´re faggot, that´s what you are.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Your schizophrenic split-personalities are the “black boys” Washington, Williams, and Warren.
    T. McKenna, paraphrasing another much too marginalized Right intellectual Mircea Eliade, looking at you in a prophetic lucid dream in the 70s says “The shaman is not merely a sick man, or a madman; he is a sick man who has healed himself.” And goes on: “The shaman and the schizophrenic both seem to possess a greater access to unconscious processes than the “normal” individual. While the schizophrenic is spontaneously inundated and often overwhelmed by these processes, the shaman, through the practice of his “techniques of ecstasy,” is able to integrate them into consciousness and to maintain access to them without suffering personality disintegration.”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I have not been overwhelmed by these processes, but have integrated them.

    You however, seem to not have integrated much.

    You project this fragmented psyche onto me.

    That can only be amusing. Boring, though, Land thought.

    It´s not even sad, because what is feeling sad for a troll gonna help?

    No, you are interesting for me to engage with because you´re intelligent like a serial killer, and warped like one.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    I lobbed a few up for you to alley-oop but you’re too insecure and poindextery to interpret them as anything other than bombs. You hallucinate that they’re the Form of Aryanism and just like an old bird you’re too reverent to put your mangy paws on them; thus have they been squandered.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Aw come on, the way you entered this thread with the stuff you said about Mr. Land, who´s actually a quite genial fellow typically, has to do with what you got since.

    Aryanism what? Arya is telling the truth. I´m not sure I ever met anybody who´s as much of a truth teller as I am. It´s not the Hitlerian or 19th century bravado that´s ‘Arya’.

    Anyway, I already engaged one of your more honest points (“about the nature of Being”) in another comment.

    I have no problem with playing psychogames and discussing nonpersonally at the same time. However, what is the reason for your pathos vs. Land?

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Land is one of my heroes; monkey see, monkey do. He is committing thoughtcrime against the Cathedral, I commit thoughtcrime against his Cathedral.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    >Imagining being so autistic you white knighted for Western Civilization by focusing chiefly on misfortunes and blunders of American blaqs

    This has got a point. Even without immigrants we fucked up.

    How are you going to remove the vote from women? How are you going to convince the majority of men to do so?

    It´s not because of brown people that we ourselves are below replacement rate.

    WN is retarded.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Hey sweetheart, you’re skirting across the surface like usual. The point isn’t to do the opposite then do the opposite again. You’re lapsing back into ethnomasochism, which will lead again to the WN impulse, which will again lead to… etc.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “Like usual” — you have a great tendency to overstate and to think you know something which you may actually not know.

    Possibly your chief defect is that you think you “call it” far more than you actually do. This hints at psychosocial maladjustment.

    What is evident is that you have difficulty with having been shown wrong. So you just ignore it, and rather move on with a new “calling it.” Add all sorts of paraintellectual bravado to that and you got one friendless fella.

    At root there is an inferiority-superiority paradox, which always makes it difficult to form actual peer relationships.

    If you want to discuss these topic without you being profiled, then don´t make these shots.

    + Your somehow projection regarding everything is something that peaks one´s interest as a student of psychopathology.

    >You’re lapsing back into ethnomasochism

    Wtf. This is e.g. what I was referring to above. This is not an objective fact, but something you feel and thus (as the psyche is not whole) think is the objective fact.

    What I actually posted was me quoting someone on Twitter.

    Don´t pretend you know me. You´re a stranger. In fact you´re an anonymous troll creep.

    If I apply a very favorable heuristic to your message, you´re saying “What you´re quoting would be lapsing back into ethnomasochism.”

    That is not the point. Not the one I thought was interesting and made a comment on anyway.

    The point is that our problems are far deeper than immigrants (altho these are very dangerous many of them). And the rapefugee problem.

    No, you mangled Anime Nazi, the point is that, well it was written in the post, did you miss it you-likely-to-become-serial-killer pseudointellectual?:

    How are you going to remove the vote from women? How are you going to convince the majority of men to do so? [It was given to them in the 1920´s.]

    It´s not because of brown people that we ourselves are below replacement rate.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    You can’t handle criticism, that’s fine, you’re human.

    It’s not because of brown people but it’s not either white people, brown people, or jewish people that is the problem, it’s all of them. You’re being undialectical, which as I mentioned, is the bane of this site (flock and shepherd) in general.

    Progressivism is a mystical experience that imbues unity into souls. It makes people love everyone, it makes them like neo-hippies. Neo-Hierarchism – which both nrx and the alt-right can fall under – is also a mystical experience based on a revelation of Love. The latter is refined, it understands that there is actually hate involved in Love, in fact perhaps Hate; in the case of the Nazis HATE!!!.

    This is Brad Pitt btw, behind Dick Wagner. I wanted to know if you goons wanted to be part of a movie we’re hwippin’ up about this phenomenon sweepin’ the nation. I think you may be a little too like sublimated fundamentalist Christians to be of any use in normal society unfortunately.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >This is Brad Pitt btw, behind Dick Wagner. I wanted to know if you goons wanted to be part of a movie we’re hwippin’ up about this phenomenon sweepin’ the nation.

    I think this is the first time I came close to a laughter at one of your posts. Ok, I did half-laugh.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >You’re being undialectical

    1. Typical for an Anime Nazi to be hyper”critical” about others not providing what he seldomly, if at all, provides

    Look, you´re not that fun. Try to drop all the “you guys are not doing X” (which may not even be very accurate) and instead do it yourself.

    Adult males who are not idiots will eventually ignore such claims & “criticism” and just move on with their interests. We are not in any White race companionship. You have no authority beyond providing value yourself.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Land’s blog is politically correct. People like him because there are so few actual intellectuals in our midst. Donald and Stevens are two that come to mind and they’re not even more than big brother figures. So it seems like if you want someone who is an actual philosopher you’re going to have to compromise, compromise like he’s compromised. Question comes down to do you want to be Socrates or Plato.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    To say that Xenosystems is “politically correct” is just strange. It´s a relatively anti-Human web-front. And it´s racist. Aside from nutcases, it´s probably the most non-politically “correct” (never agreed with this terminology, cf. theRectification of Words) web-site.

    You are right, that there are few true intellectuals on the right. That was already the case at Nietzsche´s time, and more so at Evola´s.

    As I said in the beginning of this, I agreed with a lot of your points.

    It were the attacks on Land and then on me that brought on the counter-descriptions.

    Not “white knighting” — I´m not that codependent, in fact some frustrated people who wanted something from me have called me ‘self-centred’, “doesn´t care about any body.” Typical resséntiment (a la “Eat the rich” or “Blondes are stupid, hehe”.)

    I haven´t seen that the other commenters are very dependent either. This is not an Alt-R site, and it´s certainly not a WN site (altho Brett Steven thinks it is). Why you´ve been acting like it is, is probably because of Michael and a few others (who has the highest number of comments for the past year) have come to represent somehow the, as it were, zeitgeist of the commentators here in your mind. It´s what you connect with or see more than the other types of comments in the comment catalog starting from 2013.
    These are outsiders that come here to voice and complain. They do not respect autonomy, and don’t even know what diversity properly means (cf. Holy Roman Empire, ca. 900-1800).

    Anyway, there´s a lot to be said about folks. Codependency. Addiction to politicians “setting things right.” A cycle of hope & fear.
    Increasingly, as I grow into an adult, these things are dead to me.

    Don´t worry, I value the white race for the things that are unique to it. WNs think because we talk freely they have to somehow reconvince us, again and again of the White race´s value. As if they can tell me anything in that regards.

     

    I was a skinhead when I was 17, an esoteric Hitlerist at 18, Evolian and Nietzschean at 19. I was at Stormfront, all the forums, I know this thing all of it inside out. I lead my own international esoteric Indo-European study group in my early twenties.

    What I found out is that “this White race companionship” is a 20th century invention. It never existed in history. It´s grievance because of modernity. The females are “emancipated” to vote for things that destroy the civilization of the common man. It´s brought on by technology, or at least enabled by it. It cannot be voiced away. It´s the sub-beta´s hope that he can voice people into not using e.g. contraceptions anymore (as it would tie down man and woman into raising families).
    Meanwhile alphas as living like kings, each with their harems of females which before in previous generations were necessarily married to common males (1 man with 1 wife and a family). These things have all been described for the past 200 years by countless authors, and now countless blogs. I won´t go through all the reasons for the voiceful white man.

    The world has always been ruled by the alpha though, by categorical necessity. Always. The most masculine whites made their fellow whites into slaves, or serfs, didn´t pay them shit.

    This (actual history) is something the partly Nazis ignore. Nazism was created by some guy who was like an omega male. The angriest white guy ever. Leftism always ignores history.

    Thus you get “the Nation should stand together, and be intra-socialistic.”

    Instead of buying out the Jews, or founding his own bank and cinema, and beating them at their own game. He attacked their shops, later he took all their valuables, which they had actually worked for, sent them into camps or out of the country without anything.
    It was a revolt against Capitalism. Non-bourgeoisie Germans made bad investments and had to pay interest. No one forced them to sign the contracts.

    Etc.

    I actually see a future for the Alt-R: if. And that´s trough its content creation. Creativity. That is founding the cinema “against ZOG Hollywood” that the whining White Nationalists for 50 years didn´t get far enough with. Not at all. Instead they blame.

    Alt-R/NRx is actually not autistic/omega so far as it creates vibrant things that people enjoy. Sam Hyde is doing that. The memeguys are.

    But if it´s only social capital and almost no actual capital, it seems counter to what white aristocracies actually have been for all of history.

    If this is mostly a disgruntled orgy of resentment, it is mostly that.

     

     

     

    If it is not, it´s something great.

    It can only survive the increasing gaping chaos through building.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    WN types seem to believe that if enough people voice one opinion. Things necessarily materially changed. It is not like that.

    >You’re lapsing back into ethnomasochism

    Aaa bro, sorry! I will keep on motivating our fellow whites! I´ll bring the loudspeaker and read from Evola on the town square tomorrow. He was a savior-thinker of the white race after all, and now the time is ripe.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Nietzsche makes Evola look like a ballerina.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I agree he´s a bigger thinker. He´s a floodwave, that´s still crashing.

    Altho, have you read E´s initiatic writings?

    Gruppo di UR, they´re

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    Oh no, I just saw into your soul, and I saw dirt. I had high hopes for you too.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    OK.

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    Hm actually that reminds me of the Asatru Edda where it says “Brothers will become brothers` bane, and blood will spill between sisters` sons.” I don’t want that to happen. You’re a cool guy. The only reason I am throwing darts is because of ethnomasochism itself. That’s how whites got so good, they dug into each other and into themselves. So actually never mind, I want that to happen, fuck you.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    China warns online game operators
    (Xinhua)
    Updated: 2016-08-30 11:02

    BEIJING – The Ministry of Culture on Monday told 26 online game operators to rectify violations ranging from running banned games to failure to use real-name registrations.

    Among them, 16 groups provide online games that involve pornography, gambling and content “against social ethics.” Other violations include failing to informing the public ahead of suspending a game or taking measures to prevent minors becoming addicted to their games. Online game operators must prevent minors from playing too long, by measures such as reducing or even invalidating their in-game gains after a certain number of hours.

    “Businesses must learn their lessons, fulfill their responsibilities, improve their own self-censorship and operate their businesses in line with the law,” the ministry said in a statement.

    +
    Mysterious Cases Of Time Travel That Can’t Be Explained
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shmaAXmDEAw

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