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		<title>By: vxxc2014</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-145956</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as one musters Sir, his reasons are his own. 

By all means.  

Sure I&#039;ll fight for God, my God, my people&#039;s Catholic God.  My Irish Catholic God.  Along with everything else for all is to be destroyed.

In Truth our actual priorities as Catholics -ethnically as well as Faith - are really Family, God, Country/Community.  What&#039;s important to Catholics [if they&#039;re still kicking and fighting] is Families and a Just, sane and tolerable regime to raise them in.  Catholics are very tolerant of so many different types of regimes they have only to let us be Catholic.   We remember Rome, we remember the Dark Ages, we remember digging out of the Dark Ages.

The current regime will not let us be Catholic, indeed it&#039;s been obvious who these people are and what they want since the 1960&#039;s.  It was obvious to a small boy in the 1970s, this must be why I enlisted at 19.  I would have enlisted at 12.   The current regime wants us all gone, as well as Christianity, Whites, Europeans.  

Someone should have looked up Transformation in 2008, in African politics that means genocidally wipe the Whites from Africa.  Which the American Left has been saying about Americans for decades.  We were given long and ample warning.  

They only way they win is if we don&#039;t fight.  May I recommend you begin with getting your own gang.  If military or police is an option for you then understand those sacrifices pay off at times like these.   There&#039;s no little clique quite like the one with cops and vets in it, this I will attest to, but it had to be earned. 

Muster.  That&#039;s all that matters.  Take stock of what we have, not what&#039;s wished for or the Ideal regime...work with what you have.  Good luck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as one musters Sir, his reasons are his own. </p>
<p>By all means.  </p>
<p>Sure I&#8217;ll fight for God, my God, my people&#8217;s Catholic God.  My Irish Catholic God.  Along with everything else for all is to be destroyed.</p>
<p>In Truth our actual priorities as Catholics -ethnically as well as Faith &#8211; are really Family, God, Country/Community.  What&#8217;s important to Catholics [if they&#8217;re still kicking and fighting] is Families and a Just, sane and tolerable regime to raise them in.  Catholics are very tolerant of so many different types of regimes they have only to let us be Catholic.   We remember Rome, we remember the Dark Ages, we remember digging out of the Dark Ages.</p>
<p>The current regime will not let us be Catholic, indeed it&#8217;s been obvious who these people are and what they want since the 1960&#8217;s.  It was obvious to a small boy in the 1970s, this must be why I enlisted at 19.  I would have enlisted at 12.   The current regime wants us all gone, as well as Christianity, Whites, Europeans.  </p>
<p>Someone should have looked up Transformation in 2008, in African politics that means genocidally wipe the Whites from Africa.  Which the American Left has been saying about Americans for decades.  We were given long and ample warning.  </p>
<p>They only way they win is if we don&#8217;t fight.  May I recommend you begin with getting your own gang.  If military or police is an option for you then understand those sacrifices pay off at times like these.   There&#8217;s no little clique quite like the one with cops and vets in it, this I will attest to, but it had to be earned. </p>
<p>Muster.  That&#8217;s all that matters.  Take stock of what we have, not what&#8217;s wished for or the Ideal regime&#8230;work with what you have.  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-144142</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2014 04:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You misapprehend me. My point is very much specific, in response to a debate over Christianity&#039;s practicality as a locus for society. My point is that if it is true, then ANY other concerns are irrelevant, and you must simply adhere to it and force it to work.

Think about it like this, if Christianity is true, then an INFINITY awaits beyond this life. For the Christian who has put his faith in the Messiah, death is NOTHING. Death is merely the end of earthly existence in our physical bodies, and who we actually are, our souls, will live forever in paradise.

Now, dwell on that a second and think about what it means. Is that not fantastic? Is that not something that renders all earthly inconveniences meaningless?

But the message was not that Christians should endure humiliation and persecution with the faith in the afterlife making us content. Not at all! I am a reactionary, and not one opposed to even the most radical methods of attaining victory, not because I wish to make the best of life but because I wish to SERVE THE LORD WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.

My own life is not something I am incredibly concerned about, because I have absolute faith in God. I wish to use this physical existence to further God&#039;s desires for this world, to be His instrument, to work for a reactionary society through which not only will we be pleasing to the Lord and spare many from His wrath, but by His mercy and justice will actually provide a livable existence in this life to those who will follow us.

I do not say to sit and meditate, I say to fight. But I say it not for my own selfish wants of the flesh and mind, but for it is God&#039;s will, and His will be done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You misapprehend me. My point is very much specific, in response to a debate over Christianity&#8217;s practicality as a locus for society. My point is that if it is true, then ANY other concerns are irrelevant, and you must simply adhere to it and force it to work.</p>
<p>Think about it like this, if Christianity is true, then an INFINITY awaits beyond this life. For the Christian who has put his faith in the Messiah, death is NOTHING. Death is merely the end of earthly existence in our physical bodies, and who we actually are, our souls, will live forever in paradise.</p>
<p>Now, dwell on that a second and think about what it means. Is that not fantastic? Is that not something that renders all earthly inconveniences meaningless?</p>
<p>But the message was not that Christians should endure humiliation and persecution with the faith in the afterlife making us content. Not at all! I am a reactionary, and not one opposed to even the most radical methods of attaining victory, not because I wish to make the best of life but because I wish to SERVE THE LORD WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.</p>
<p>My own life is not something I am incredibly concerned about, because I have absolute faith in God. I wish to use this physical existence to further God&#8217;s desires for this world, to be His instrument, to work for a reactionary society through which not only will we be pleasing to the Lord and spare many from His wrath, but by His mercy and justice will actually provide a livable existence in this life to those who will follow us.</p>
<p>I do not say to sit and meditate, I say to fight. But I say it not for my own selfish wants of the flesh and mind, but for it is God&#8217;s will, and His will be done.</p>
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		<title>By: vxxc2014</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-101133</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m raised orthodox, Latin Rite Catholic. 

And at this point Catholic and indeed Christianity need to provide us with a plan for survival or begone from us Satan.    Apparently Judas is now in charge. 

Absolutely everything is surrendered without a drop of blood.   Fucking loathsome. 

We are already as a faith morally extinct, the cowardice of Christian leadership is so staggering it begs the question is God saying it&#039;s time to get a new faith.   It&#039;s loathsome.   That&#039;s just on moral grounds.

And apparently our plan for all this is craven surrender, to nominally weaker and more loathsome foes.  Obama for instance isn&#039;t Hitler, Stalin or the rest.  

And if you haven&#039;t been in life or death moments where death was being bought by men then this be assured is what&#039;s irrelevant - questions of FAITH.   SHIT.   Life, survival more important than faith. 

&quot;political ruminations are irrelevant if Christianity is true.&quot; oh yes?  If you haven&#039;t been at point of death be careful of what&#039;s irrelevant.    

Christianity will find something to offer but degrading deaths, or degraded existence that impresses no one but fills anyone and everyone with contempt and loathing, or it will be replaced by a man&#039;s faith.  

This is a dying faith, never mind religion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m raised orthodox, Latin Rite Catholic. </p>
<p>And at this point Catholic and indeed Christianity need to provide us with a plan for survival or begone from us Satan.    Apparently Judas is now in charge. </p>
<p>Absolutely everything is surrendered without a drop of blood.   Fucking loathsome. </p>
<p>We are already as a faith morally extinct, the cowardice of Christian leadership is so staggering it begs the question is God saying it&#8217;s time to get a new faith.   It&#8217;s loathsome.   That&#8217;s just on moral grounds.</p>
<p>And apparently our plan for all this is craven surrender, to nominally weaker and more loathsome foes.  Obama for instance isn&#8217;t Hitler, Stalin or the rest.  </p>
<p>And if you haven&#8217;t been in life or death moments where death was being bought by men then this be assured is what&#8217;s irrelevant &#8211; questions of FAITH.   SHIT.   Life, survival more important than faith. </p>
<p>&#8220;political ruminations are irrelevant if Christianity is true.&#8221; oh yes?  If you haven&#8217;t been at point of death be careful of what&#8217;s irrelevant.    </p>
<p>Christianity will find something to offer but degrading deaths, or degraded existence that impresses no one but fills anyone and everyone with contempt and loathing, or it will be replaced by a man&#8217;s faith.  </p>
<p>This is a dying faith, never mind religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-101126</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an Orthodox Christian myself, I would say that the political ruminations are irrelevant if Christianity is true. If Christianity is false (and indeed no other theology is true), then it is fair to debate the politics of Christian order on the basis of their political virtues or deficiencies. Irf you want to ignore nihilism, that is.

But if Christianity is true, it does not matter what political assessments you make, a planned society necessarily must revolve around its truth, and it is up to you to make it work. Criticisms that Christianity is the root of modernism don&#039;t seem entirely coherent to me. Rather, I would link modernity&#039;s evil instead to widespread wealth and access to knowledge and competing anti-religious explanations of physical reality (along with other more minor factors).

We know that the striving for equality is really just a power shift, putting those who were previously below, on top. But I don&#039;t see any reason to think this threat just magically emerged because of environmental factors during the Enlightenment. Rather, I think this element has ALWAYS existed, but it took a long time for the situational requirements to line up precisely to the point where it could take root in society at large. It was a domino effect. Once it happened to one civilization, because global communications were beginning to be realzied, it was inevitable that it would occur in other nations. The only reason modernity began in Christendom was simply because Christendom was European, and thanks to history and geography, Europe was destined to be the center from where distant and disparate parts of the world would be influenced from with the advent of modern technology, imperialism, and commerce. Had Christianity been an Asian phenomenon, I very much doubt the center of modernity would have shifted to China.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Orthodox Christian myself, I would say that the political ruminations are irrelevant if Christianity is true. If Christianity is false (and indeed no other theology is true), then it is fair to debate the politics of Christian order on the basis of their political virtues or deficiencies. Irf you want to ignore nihilism, that is.</p>
<p>But if Christianity is true, it does not matter what political assessments you make, a planned society necessarily must revolve around its truth, and it is up to you to make it work. Criticisms that Christianity is the root of modernism don&#8217;t seem entirely coherent to me. Rather, I would link modernity&#8217;s evil instead to widespread wealth and access to knowledge and competing anti-religious explanations of physical reality (along with other more minor factors).</p>
<p>We know that the striving for equality is really just a power shift, putting those who were previously below, on top. But I don&#8217;t see any reason to think this threat just magically emerged because of environmental factors during the Enlightenment. Rather, I think this element has ALWAYS existed, but it took a long time for the situational requirements to line up precisely to the point where it could take root in society at large. It was a domino effect. Once it happened to one civilization, because global communications were beginning to be realzied, it was inevitable that it would occur in other nations. The only reason modernity began in Christendom was simply because Christendom was European, and thanks to history and geography, Europe was destined to be the center from where distant and disparate parts of the world would be influenced from with the advent of modern technology, imperialism, and commerce. Had Christianity been an Asian phenomenon, I very much doubt the center of modernity would have shifted to China.</p>
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		<title>By: Neoreactionary Canon &#124; More Right</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-34039</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2014 23:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-10687</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Cimon Alexander&lt;/strong&gt;

Thank you for that link.  Two thoughts:

1. You don&#039;t have to be a monotheist to appreciate Adam Smith&#039;s &quot;impartial spectator&quot; from _The Theory of Moral Sentiments_, but the two ideas sure dovetail very nicely.

2. I have been trying to rationalize to myself that God is some sort of a LaGrange multiplier, a cognitive trick that makes it easy to take constraints (e.g. other people&#039;s responses) into account when trying to solve an optimization problem.  Moldbug seems to have thought more deeply about this than I have.

I like the Oriana Fallaci story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Cimon Alexander</strong></p>
<p>Thank you for that link.  Two thoughts:</p>
<p>1. You don&#8217;t have to be a monotheist to appreciate Adam Smith&#8217;s &#8220;impartial spectator&#8221; from _The Theory of Moral Sentiments_, but the two ideas sure dovetail very nicely.</p>
<p>2. I have been trying to rationalize to myself that God is some sort of a LaGrange multiplier, a cognitive trick that makes it easy to take constraints (e.g. other people&#8217;s responses) into account when trying to solve an optimization problem.  Moldbug seems to have thought more deeply about this than I have.</p>
<p>I like the Oriana Fallaci story.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-10685</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently Todd claims that areas where the absolute nuclear family prevails are disposed to constitutional oligarchy.  So you may not be pushing on a rope (I, myself, am not yet convinced.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Todd claims that areas where the absolute nuclear family prevails are disposed to constitutional oligarchy.  So you may not be pushing on a rope (I, myself, am not yet convinced.)</p>
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		<title>By: Cimon Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-10680</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cimon Alexander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two characteristics of Christianity immediately jump out at the Reactionary:


1) The history of Western civilization is the history of Christian civilization. Western culture cannot be separated from Christianity, and its growth is coincident with the growth of the Christian church. Christianity appears to have had a civilizing, Romanizing influence on the peoples of the West, causing them to develop a literate high civilization earlier than they otherwise may have. 

I often discuss this point with atheist anti-Christians who get upset over Christianity&#039;s presence in Western culture. It is as if they are getting upset over water being wet. 

To the extent that the pathologies of modern culture are resisted (i.e. dysgenic breeding), they are most often resisted in Christian communities.

Moldbug often makes similar points. It comes from his love of Carlyle (who himself offers Christian rule as a model for society). We see it in comments like this:

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2010/12/four-tough-questions-for-secular-right.html?showComment=1293731949380#c5367282579367411040


2) The pathological ideas of the modern left clearly have their roots in Christianity. Egalitarianism, and even a perverse aristocracy of pity (where the worst are first and the best, last) are seeded by Christ&#039;s doctrines. There are too many other parallels to go into here, and Moldbug clearly traces the modern lineage from Christ to Howard Zinn. 


Christianity is both a blessing and a curse. It is a brilliant philosophy that contains the seeds of its own undoing. But the whole history of western civilization has not been as pathetic as its final coda. Even its latent egalitarianism has not been a total wash. In modern times, it has lead to dysgenic breeding and Marxist class conflicts. But in the past it has allowed a meritocratic society to grow where talented people of low birth and low social class had the opportunity to put their talents to work for society. This is a hallmark of effective civilizations across the ages. 


Can we do better than Christianity? I&#039;m not sure. But I worry that going back to a Christian world, as conservatives wish, will lead to us falling right back where we are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two characteristics of Christianity immediately jump out at the Reactionary:</p>
<p>1) The history of Western civilization is the history of Christian civilization. Western culture cannot be separated from Christianity, and its growth is coincident with the growth of the Christian church. Christianity appears to have had a civilizing, Romanizing influence on the peoples of the West, causing them to develop a literate high civilization earlier than they otherwise may have. </p>
<p>I often discuss this point with atheist anti-Christians who get upset over Christianity&#8217;s presence in Western culture. It is as if they are getting upset over water being wet. </p>
<p>To the extent that the pathologies of modern culture are resisted (i.e. dysgenic breeding), they are most often resisted in Christian communities.</p>
<p>Moldbug often makes similar points. It comes from his love of Carlyle (who himself offers Christian rule as a model for society). We see it in comments like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2010/12/four-tough-questions-for-secular-right.html?showComment=1293731949380#c5367282579367411040" rel="nofollow">http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2010/12/four-tough-questions-for-secular-right.html?showComment=1293731949380#c5367282579367411040</a></p>
<p>2) The pathological ideas of the modern left clearly have their roots in Christianity. Egalitarianism, and even a perverse aristocracy of pity (where the worst are first and the best, last) are seeded by Christ&#8217;s doctrines. There are too many other parallels to go into here, and Moldbug clearly traces the modern lineage from Christ to Howard Zinn. </p>
<p>Christianity is both a blessing and a curse. It is a brilliant philosophy that contains the seeds of its own undoing. But the whole history of western civilization has not been as pathetic as its final coda. Even its latent egalitarianism has not been a total wash. In modern times, it has lead to dysgenic breeding and Marxist class conflicts. But in the past it has allowed a meritocratic society to grow where talented people of low birth and low social class had the opportunity to put their talents to work for society. This is a hallmark of effective civilizations across the ages. </p>
<p>Can we do better than Christianity? I&#8217;m not sure. But I worry that going back to a Christian world, as conservatives wish, will lead to us falling right back where we are.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-10518</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, but I also think these questions collapse down to further, obscure depths when explored. For instance: &quot;Is Christianity the source of the rot?&quot; What is this really suggesting? It&#039;s quite clear that Nietzsche was inclined to biological rather than spiritual causality, and that the human dross he despised was not primarily defined by its ideas, but rather, its characteristic ideas provided symptoms of physiological decadence (feedback complications no doubt impinge at various points). Insofar as Christianity is identified with the &#039;slave revolt in morality&#039; therefore, it is because it was able to uniquely disarm the superior types, leading them to acquiesce in their own dispossession. An &#039;idea&#039;, then, that is able to reverse the natural order of social hierarchy for millennia -- making the ill-constituted, incapable, wretched and degenerate the moral center of the world. What kind of magic is this? It seems almost miraculous enough to count as a confirmed religious phenomenon ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, but I also think these questions collapse down to further, obscure depths when explored. For instance: &#8220;Is Christianity the source of the rot?&#8221; What is this really suggesting? It&#8217;s quite clear that Nietzsche was inclined to biological rather than spiritual causality, and that the human dross he despised was not primarily defined by its ideas, but rather, its characteristic ideas provided symptoms of physiological decadence (feedback complications no doubt impinge at various points). Insofar as Christianity is identified with the &#8216;slave revolt in morality&#8217; therefore, it is because it was able to uniquely disarm the superior types, leading them to acquiesce in their own dispossession. An &#8216;idea&#8217;, then, that is able to reverse the natural order of social hierarchy for millennia &#8212; making the ill-constituted, incapable, wretched and degenerate the moral center of the world. What kind of magic is this? It seems almost miraculous enough to count as a confirmed religious phenomenon &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cimon Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/discrimination/#comment-10517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cimon Alexander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do the non-discriminators allow discrimination against some groups? It turns out their rhetoric doesn&#039;t match reality. Their idealism is only a mechanism to gain power in the specific political environment in which they evolved. They speak universalism, while acting out the Marxist class struggle, now reflected in the spectrum of gender, sex, and race. 

Discriminating against ethnic majorities in favor of ethnic minorities is a winning strategy in countries with declining majority fertility and high immigration. The presence of majority-group universalists only helps speed their ascendance to power. 

The true believers in universalism are nice, as they provide a smoke screen for the reality of the power games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do the non-discriminators allow discrimination against some groups? It turns out their rhetoric doesn&#8217;t match reality. Their idealism is only a mechanism to gain power in the specific political environment in which they evolved. They speak universalism, while acting out the Marxist class struggle, now reflected in the spectrum of gender, sex, and race. </p>
<p>Discriminating against ethnic majorities in favor of ethnic minorities is a winning strategy in countries with declining majority fertility and high immigration. The presence of majority-group universalists only helps speed their ascendance to power. </p>
<p>The true believers in universalism are nice, as they provide a smoke screen for the reality of the power games.</p>
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