Disney NRx

It looks as if this was a lot more flippant than it needed to be.

Via @asilentsky (via), the question: Was Walt Disney practically exploring a prototypical Neoreaction in the 1960s? Such anachronism typically merits extreme skepticism, but here are some videos to hone your doubt upon: Walt Disney’s original plan for EPCOT (his Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow), parts 1, 2, and 3. Plus some select tweet support:

(That last is a Gibson quote, btw.)

From the EPCOT videos: “Whatever worked became the code … We’re ready to go right now.”

There has to be a discussion about this.

July 20, 2015admin 34 Comments »
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  • Disney NRx | Neoreactive Says:

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    Posted on July 20th, 2015 at 4:10 pm Reply | Quote
  • michael Says:

    you realize glen beck is on this ?


    admin Reply:

    Admit it, you didn’t follow the first link, did you?


    michael Reply:


    alright I admit it teach ,i jumped to the last link which was enough to remind me of this


    and honestly I only skimmed the Beck-et thing too but that reminds me
    I think this guy More had a similar idea

    and today i found this in west hunters back pages which is only tangential but thats sort of the theme the comments are actually the story there.


    So I watched the first link and heard the “code” quip neato- now we need some funding maybe putin would like to build some west bank settlements in the Crimea or i hear some Greek islands are coming on the market for the right price they come with sovereignty but for any of that to happen we might have to make a a decision on the DENRX descision tree


    Posted on July 20th, 2015 at 4:59 pm Reply | Quote
  • Disney NRx | Reaction Times Says:

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    Posted on July 20th, 2015 at 7:45 pm Reply | Quote
  • Warg Franklin Says:

    I’m not sure there is much to say except:

    Yes, Mr Disney, Sir, we can do it!


    Posted on July 20th, 2015 at 8:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    These videos contextualize EPCOT, which always struck me as an odd kind of benign tumor hanging off of the amusement park. But in the video he describes it as the central feature of Disney World.

    Disney was a genius. I wonder how much of what has transpired he had predicted back then. Do you know in what year these videos were made?


    Konkvistador Reply:

    The EPCOT Walt Disney wanted, wasn’t the EPCOT that was built.


    “Walt devised a way to make full use out of the Florida property, with EPCOT as its central attraction. All guests would enter and leave Disney World in the same general area. Arriving by car, or at the Disney World Airport, in the southern part of the property, guests would be shuttled by monorail to the Disney World Welcome Center. There, guests would be welcomed by Disney hosts and hostesses able to speak in the guests’ own languages. After every aspect of their stay had been planned, guests would then reboard the monorail to EPCOT. Before arriving at EPCOT guests would have the opportunity to visit EPCOT’s Industrial Park; the Park’s offices and laboratories would be occupied by major American corporations who would use the facilities to develop new technology for use in the EPCOT city. Guests of Disney World would be allowed to go on tours of the facility to see how it all worked. Walt Disney hoped that this would stimulate people to return to their own communities and encourage technological growth where they live.

    When Walt presented his ideas to the Board of Directors, they were skeptical. They wanted assurance that people would come to visit this “Disney World”. What they wanted was a surefire hit: a Disneyland-style park. Walt initially objected, but eventually relented, and he used the park to his advantage. He put the theme park in the northmost corner of the Florida property. Disney wanted everyone to experience the rest of Disney World before getting to the theme park area as you can see in the very first master plan drawn by Walt Disney himself.”

    “Walt Disney died on December 15, 1966. Even when he was dying from lung cancer, his brother, Roy O. Disney, stated that Walt was still planning his city in the hospital. Walt used the ceiling grid to lay out a scale plot plan in his imagination, each 24″ x 24″ tile representing one square mile. Florida Governor Claude R. Kirk, Jr. signed Chapter 67-764[3] into law on May 12, 1967, establishing the Reedy Creek Improvement District. However, Disney directors eventually decided that it was too risky to venture into city planning now that its biggest advocate was gone. But Roy persisted and took the reins on the project, stepping out of retirement to do it. However, Roy could not convince the board to build EPCOT. But, he did forge ahead with the Magic Kingdom project. The Walt Disney World Resort opened in October 1971 with only the Magic Kingdom and two hotels. Roy insisted it be called Walt Disney World as a tribute to the man who had dreamed it up.”


    “A five-member Board of Supervisors governs the District, elected by the landowners of the District.[citation needed] These members, senior employees of The Walt Disney Company, each own undeveloped five-acre (20,235 m²) lots of land within the District, the only land in the District not technically controlled by Disney or used for public road purposes. The only residents of the District, also Disney employees or their immediate family members, live in two small communities, one in each city. In the 2000 census, Bay Lake had 23 residents, all in the community on the north shore of Bay Lake, and Lake Buena Vista had 16 residents, all in the community about a mile north of Downtown Disney.[citation needed] These residents elect the officials of the cities, but since they don’t actually own any land, they don’t have any power in electing the District Board of Supervisors.”


    Konkvistador Reply:

    The videos were made 1966.


    Posted on July 20th, 2015 at 9:45 pm Reply | Quote
  • michael Says:

    sort of on the topic of building future cities though after a collapse over at west hunter
    its the comments that are really the article


    Posted on July 20th, 2015 at 9:53 pm Reply | Quote
  • Rasputin Says:

    OK, I’m convinced. And the whole thing is a dam sight more ambitious than Idaho…


    michael Reply:

    yeah except Idaho where I happen to have built my homestead in 92 already exists its not in a swamp and has a good stock of people who already think like us what they need is reinforcments


    michael Reply:

    BTW i keep hearing this Idaho project mentioned but cant find any blogs mentioning it except in offhand knocks but never the proposition itself my own project was independent


    vxxc2014 Reply:

    That’s because of the other Michael as opposed to no punc no caps michael wich is you.

    IOW He that shall not be fully named that was going to rule Idaho.

    You really don’t want to summon this utterly unproductive tirade michael or this long since no longer amusing even for sadists soap opera.

    Which I hope is over as I mean the man no ill, and at the time I called for the mass social media beatings to end.

    Dude don’t keep asking. I hope he’s better. I hope he’s ok and happy. No offense.


    michael Reply:


    you forgot bad spelling lol
    all right i will stop asking dont want to wake the dead but if there were reactionaries in my other home state i was curious, some racists on the other side of the border by flathead i hear but im reminded daily idaho is “too great for hate”

    Posted on July 20th, 2015 at 10:10 pm Reply | Quote
  • Skilluminati Says:

    What is the current status of yon Free State Project? If anything, New Hampshire seems to have drifted leftward in the past decade, no doubt thanks to the sheer gravitational pull of Vermont.


    Posted on July 20th, 2015 at 11:19 pm Reply | Quote
  • Dark Psy-Ops Says:

    It’s hard to anticipate reasonable complaints against this design. For example, one commenter (at Youtube) had this to say:

    “It’s all very impressive, but Walt doesn’t seem to see the irony of a vast, centrally planned, centrally controlled showcase for “free” enterprise.”

    I won’t deconstruct that too much, but i’d bet it was written by a democrat. Totally Zacked.


    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    To note, I doubt EPCOT will appeal to ‘Sparta Reaction’ due to perceived disinterest in ethnological militarism. Walt is probably not the Fnargl they’ve been dreaming of. EPCOT, however, has been designed with a working Brain, and the result is a model of government that looks like a philosophy of science. Governance becomes a geometric operation where ‘rules of development’ are formed as dense trajectories, and the social body is not an ontological object oriented by an off-set center (where the legs meet the tail), but an unoriented objective project where the center permeates the perimeter (where the head and tail meet). Neocameralism is like the ‘upright animal’ theory of corporate structure, whereas Nazi’s place the central male organ at the head, and communists try to off the head entirely (perpetual revolution). If Walt’s vision of capitalist socio-cultural machinery was thought through to its conclusions surplus would probably reach Mars (seriously).

    Other (political) baggage would be mainly religious and tribal, but Lee Kuan Yew can be looked to for inspiration there.


    Posted on July 21st, 2015 at 5:43 am Reply | Quote
  • Dark Psy-Ops Says:

    Also, I’m sure you would have seen this, but it’s relevent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-politics

    The concept is formulated wholly lamely by Zizek and co. and in practice it is used by leftists to castigate ‘neo-liberals’ (leftists with a job). What can you expect from Stalinists who criticize democracy (‘politics of consensus’) as counter-revolutionary. A ‘post-political’ order grounded on responsible social administration is considered heresy by puritans, who long for the return of communal (slave) labor.


    Posted on July 21st, 2015 at 7:10 am Reply | Quote
  • jack arcalon Says:

    I remember EPCOT had an ‘electronic democracy’ attraction back in the 1980s where visitors could vote on non-controversial issues of the day using buttons in their armrests.
    It was to be a preview of how we would all live in the 21st Century, where all political issues would be settled by direct electronic voting.

    Anyway, I voted more than once that day, possibly explaining all these problems we’ve been having.


    Xoth Reply:

    At least you weren’t dead.


    Posted on July 21st, 2015 at 7:51 am Reply | Quote
  • SVErshov Says:

    problem with such projects is that technology developing so fast, it is hard to have sound strategy or a plan for next few years. Euro Disney generated usd 2 bil in debts, and they dont have an idea why it happens. Perhaps it happens because over 5 mil people plays Dota 2 on line at any given time. Seems like Deluzian machinic future already arrived and people just prefer to plug themself into alternate socket. Generation of ideas or concepts can be frosrating exercises in fast changing world. Ideas become inadequate fast and thing is that there is no socket to plug it into current reality. compare it with evolution of mother boards interfaces and sockets. On technologial side there is no one single interface or socket remained the same on Asus P1 motherboard compared Asus P5 motherboard. But, there is few interfaces on the human side which still nearly the same VGA, USB, audio jack.


    Posted on July 21st, 2015 at 8:49 am Reply | Quote
  • Dark Psy-Ops Says:

    Disney culture is still far too ‘American Evangelical’ to refer without alteration. If you want a futurist city whose development unfolds an internally expanding frontier, then shareholder power contingent on hard currency (surplus flow) is an (intrinsic) necessity, for it assures financiers have no insurance against failure above and beyond their own cunning. Leftists hate what they call ‘neo-liberal creative cities’ because such profiteering is wont to make a society very wealthy and (inevitably) unequal. A tech-comm accelerationist city is any system determined to maximize effective exploitation of resourceful property, which means the idea will be subject to much complaining by unassociated third parties. What is to be emphasized, and Walt has explicitly, is the state of change and continuous locomotion of the city. It is by no means a social technology that has been designed with sedentary Hyperborean cultures in mind, and thus would not be suitable to a reactionary politics determined to ward off the ‘destructive’ flows that a prototypical networked metropolitan economy will irresistibly attract.


    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    In order to make this NRx, we require selection and variation (and nothing else). As for variation, there would need to be several competing EPCOTs. For selection, they could, for instance, be run as for-profit corporations, with a periodic accounting in the form of profits. However, I suppose other forms of selection are possible in theory. It ultimately depends on what we are selecting *for*, which is the unanswered question of NRx. (Or the multiply-answered question).

    It’s not necessary to characterize these cities as Hyperborean-reactionary, or Atlantian-techcomm. Just let the furnace of Hell do its work!


    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    Put the city on the sea, and now we’re talking.


    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    Personally, I’d pay extra for one at L4.

    SVErshov Reply:

    China already doing it and creating chain of islands by dumping sand into sea.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    “Just let the furnace of Hell do its work!” – Agreed, however, the distinction between Hyperborean Reaction and Atlantean Tech-Comm in political jargon has an occult utility I’d be reluctant to relinquish. Plus, characterization is superior stereotyping, and what is variation if not noticeable selective traits?


    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    You know I think you’re right. No harm in characterizing the cities at all.

    Posted on July 21st, 2015 at 9:33 am Reply | Quote
  • John Hannon Says:

    All a bit Mickey Mouse when compared to this however –


    Sure Hitler had his faults, but you could never accuse him of lacking ambition.


    Posted on July 21st, 2015 at 8:21 pm Reply | Quote
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  • TheOmnivore Says:

    I just want to see the NRx princesses . . .


    Posted on July 22nd, 2015 at 9:38 pm Reply | Quote
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