All forms of currency are some percentage share of a levitated good. The two differences between a stock and a coin are that stocks aren’t necessarily levitated and that coins can be traded easily.

I think stocks are levitated, though.

In his defense he believes humanity needs to be replaced, and is a member of the movement – Transhumanism/AI with ruthless techno cap thrown in – that advocates for it.”

{AK}: I’m not suggesting that NL or “OI” are “psychopathic”. I am suggesting that NL, through “OI”, attempts to analyse “psychopathological” tendencies in culture, albeit through his “Dark Enlightenment” filter. The degrees to which we are all affected by such contemporary conditions is another debate.
As to his alleged “belief” that there is a “humanity” that “needs to be replaced” by “Transhumanism/AI with ruthless techno cap”, it could sound like the substitution of one delusion for another.

[vxxc2014]: “I’m willing to be quite ruthless and violent but not cynical. I would probably be labeled “Trad” which fits. I also want workable solutions with what we have – as opposed to what we haven’t – and I’m not ready to write off Western Civ, America, even England.

We need to be men, and we’ve known how to do that for a very long time. About 3500 years ago when we invented writing we began to record men being men. The innovation of us being women, our women being men and all the rest would have to wait until just this last 50 years. We’ve forgotten not just what was ancient but what’s actually in our genes.”

{AK}: vxxc2014, you shouldn’t have to be anything but what you are. Why allow yourself to be coerced into self-distortion? Why worry about labelling? Though I can understand that we live in a culture that does so worry. In one sense, “Transhumanism/AI” is that ‘worry’…

We need to be men, and we’ve known how to do that for a very long time. About 3500 years ago when we invented writing we began to record men being men. The innovation of us being women, our women being men and all the rest would have to wait until just this last 50 years. We’ve forgotten not just what was ancient but what’s actually in our genes.

Something is quite puzzling in what the “Trads want.” Out of curiosity, if such “men” were granted you, what do you think the single biggest demand they would require from “Earth”? And could “Western Civ, America, even England” fulfill that demand?

Hence, Robo-God for Land, Buddhism for Art.

But I would expect similarly virtuous behavior to exist in a small American town of 100 or 150 years ago. Yet many of those people had not gotten a mortgage, or been employed by a large corporation.

Nor would I expect a correlation to exist. Would it be rational to say of an old lady down the street, “she’s never worked for any enterprise bigger than the local mom and pop store, and her husband paid cash for their house– maybe you shouldn’t trust her.”

Perhaps the answer to this post is that it is necessary to be low-trust in large public spaces. In a small group, one can afford to be high-trust.

In his defense he believes humanity needs to be replaced, and is a member of the movement – Transhumanism/AI with ruthless techno cap thrown in – that advocates for it.

I’m willing to be quite ruthless and violent but not cynical. I would probably be labeled “Trad” which fits. I also want workable solutions with what we have – as opposed to what we haven’t – and I’m not ready to write off Western Civ, America, even England.

We need to be men, and we’ve known how to do that for a very long time. About 3500 years ago when we invented writing we began to record men being men. The innovation of us being women, our women being men and all the rest would have to wait until just this last 50 years. We’ve forgotten not just what was ancient but what’s actually in our genes.

The need for mythos =/= marketing & monopolistic manipulations.

Hope that wasn’t too terse.”

I’m not being cynical, vxxc2014. Referring to cynical discourses, when they’re applicable, is not necessarily ‘being’ cynical, it’s a preliminary to working through their logic.
It only refers to contemporary social appropriations of the ‘mythic’, for which cynicism is often justified, not the ‘wellsprings’ of mythos. You’re right, I should’ve been clearer.

“You’re forgetting a culture’s need for mythos: which Modernity so often administers through marketing & monopolistic manipulations: the “Society of the Spectacle”.

As to sociopathy & the psychopathological, these are problematic. Look at the course of Occidental culture, does it measure up to any criteria of good health, or conception of balance, that you might suggest?
Do you think NL’s “Dark Enlightenment” isn’t cynical, sociopathic, or psychopathological.
Is NL being cynical with: “Total depravity is the key to world historical predestination, and it is routed through the blockchain”?

No, vxxc2014, you weren’t too “terse”.

The other situation, radical trust, often devolves into simply delivering no results for long periods of time but ‘trusting’ results will come. The end result is any possibility of trust is destroyed.

We can’t simply change systems without dealing with the people who have and are destroying every system they’re in, and profiting from the destruction. Gleefully.

NRxn is [mostly] still in a loop of getting there from the terrible Here by [magic/miracles/crash] and usually will reply with pass the popcorn. You are the popcorn. The people holding the handle over the stove will remain the Cathedral. They don’t go away unless they are forced to go away, making any systems change wasted energy and indeed simply in practice opening another series of scams. Healthcare reform is a great example. Nothing was done about the predators, fraudsters and criminals, tyrants who warped Healthcare into a corrupt enterprise wherever they touch it. They now have through Healthcare not control of 1/6 of the economy, they have an accounting of every cent in it. =} that is through the HHS Data Hub. Why they have record tax collections, why ACA hired 16,000 new IRS agents. It’s already impossible to hide any recorded transactions. ACA/HHS Data Hub is the American Domesday Book with every American Hide in it.

The only thing that’s Proof against these people is their destruction. That’s the only Proof against criminals since time began. You can’t simply give them new rules and leave them at large. {== kindly put that in your NRxn Law Enforcement concept.

All these systems don’t even exchange the old boss for the new boss. They give the same bosses more opportunities to squeeze and control.

We don’t have a systems problem, we have an Evil People problem. They must be destroyed or they destroy us all. It’s that simple.

Mind you I think standing to duty is something we’ll be forced to do and that this is already hard baked. For not all men are gone it seems. At the moment only seems. If it remains so then we are socially engineered into the night. So we are forced to act or perish utterly, even our seed gone.

We don’t have a systems problem, we have a personnel problem and half the personnel problem is us.