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		<title>By: RiverC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/downton-on-down/#comment-35334</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2014 19:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t it the case that people used to deal with this by having a lot of children? People nowadays think that just because your kids don&#039;t die of polio or some other childhood disease that you need fewer of them. Back when they were more successful, these sacrificial folks doubled down on the kids, because you can&#039;t spend what you don&#039;t have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it the case that people used to deal with this by having a lot of children? People nowadays think that just because your kids don&#8217;t die of polio or some other childhood disease that you need fewer of them. Back when they were more successful, these sacrificial folks doubled down on the kids, because you can&#8217;t spend what you don&#8217;t have.</p>
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		<title>By: Downton on down &#8211; JumpSeek</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/downton-on-down/#comment-35285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Downton on down &#8211; JumpSeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/downton-on-down/#comment-35223</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2014 03:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@admin,

Exhortations no, earning it as nobility always has and always will.  

The tendency you refer to is not mechnical it is human will, the strength of the Left&#039;s will - which is at this moment despite their increasing histronics, indeed that&#039;s increasingly desperate madness - their strength is getting weaker and weaker. 

There is no such thing as mechanical inexorability in Human Affairs.  That Sir is the Progressiveness of Doom.  It is False. 

The Left earned their power through deeds of power, striking at the weakened old order after World War I.   We are now living through the beginning of the end of their order, they are dying and we are seeing syphilitic madness manifiest.  They are also bankrupt, utterly bankrupt morally, spiritually and most important financially. They are so hyper-extended on fantasy fiat that the only sane people in the government are stealing as fast as they can. 

I don&#039;t know what you think of the European Parliament scandals but they pale into childs play next to the epic and pandemic corruption openly displayed within American government.  &lt;i&gt; Pandemic corruption from top to bottom &lt;/i&gt;.  They&#039;re all quite Detroit, it just hasn&#039;t caught up as fast everywhere.   These are the sane people executing a rational plan.

The rest are either in a fog they may have been born into, or in quiet despair tending their gardens like some who haunt Neo-Reaction like the Ghost of Lord Downton.  

Have a look at Mark Leibowitz&#039;s &quot;This Town&quot;.  This doesn&#039;t go on.  We&#039;re in worse shape than the English government I&#039;m quite sure. 

And to opportunity: when the Finances are reckoned, when they are &quot;normalized&quot; and returned to the grim earth from the clouds there will be an hour of reckoning for people utterly unequipped to face it.  Quite enough of the people are quite ready for leadership, tired of seeing all that they are and came from degraded and insulted, without leadership or representation, ready to hear a message of truth and yes hope, but justice for our kind again.  The Cathedral does not trust it&#039;s army, and it&#039;s police are not trustworthy either - and of course there&#039;s no central police force in the United States, it&#039;s one of our Jeffersonian legacies that they are quite local.   When their money is no good anymore they have not even their rented welfare friends, nor their imported ones, they&#039;re quite alone.   Der Bunker without the SS or the Werhmacht.  

They have the media as long as the champagne flows, the University faculty as the grant money still overwhelms their consciences, they have fags and feminists. 

But no more men.  Who have been shoved aside.

Who have watched this ruin long enough.  

No, not mere exhortations.  But the opportunity to show one&#039;s qualities at last dawns out of a dark night.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@admin,</p>
<p>Exhortations no, earning it as nobility always has and always will.  </p>
<p>The tendency you refer to is not mechnical it is human will, the strength of the Left&#8217;s will &#8211; which is at this moment despite their increasing histronics, indeed that&#8217;s increasingly desperate madness &#8211; their strength is getting weaker and weaker. </p>
<p>There is no such thing as mechanical inexorability in Human Affairs.  That Sir is the Progressiveness of Doom.  It is False. </p>
<p>The Left earned their power through deeds of power, striking at the weakened old order after World War I.   We are now living through the beginning of the end of their order, they are dying and we are seeing syphilitic madness manifiest.  They are also bankrupt, utterly bankrupt morally, spiritually and most important financially. They are so hyper-extended on fantasy fiat that the only sane people in the government are stealing as fast as they can. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what you think of the European Parliament scandals but they pale into childs play next to the epic and pandemic corruption openly displayed within American government.  <i> Pandemic corruption from top to bottom </i>.  They&#8217;re all quite Detroit, it just hasn&#8217;t caught up as fast everywhere.   These are the sane people executing a rational plan.</p>
<p>The rest are either in a fog they may have been born into, or in quiet despair tending their gardens like some who haunt Neo-Reaction like the Ghost of Lord Downton.  </p>
<p>Have a look at Mark Leibowitz&#8217;s &#8220;This Town&#8221;.  This doesn&#8217;t go on.  We&#8217;re in worse shape than the English government I&#8217;m quite sure. </p>
<p>And to opportunity: when the Finances are reckoned, when they are &#8220;normalized&#8221; and returned to the grim earth from the clouds there will be an hour of reckoning for people utterly unequipped to face it.  Quite enough of the people are quite ready for leadership, tired of seeing all that they are and came from degraded and insulted, without leadership or representation, ready to hear a message of truth and yes hope, but justice for our kind again.  The Cathedral does not trust it&#8217;s army, and it&#8217;s police are not trustworthy either &#8211; and of course there&#8217;s no central police force in the United States, it&#8217;s one of our Jeffersonian legacies that they are quite local.   When their money is no good anymore they have not even their rented welfare friends, nor their imported ones, they&#8217;re quite alone.   Der Bunker without the SS or the Werhmacht.  </p>
<p>They have the media as long as the champagne flows, the University faculty as the grant money still overwhelms their consciences, they have fags and feminists. </p>
<p>But no more men.  Who have been shoved aside.</p>
<p>Who have watched this ruin long enough.  </p>
<p>No, not mere exhortations.  But the opportunity to show one&#8217;s qualities at last dawns out of a dark night.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/downton-on-down/#comment-35219</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2014 02:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So nobility, as you so impressively depict it, automatically ensures that it is selected out of the gene pool. That looks like an argument for social pessimism to me. What am I missing? Surely exhortations aren&#039;t going to reverse a tendency whose mechanical inexorability you have just brutally described?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So nobility, as you so impressively depict it, automatically ensures that it is selected out of the gene pool. That looks like an argument for social pessimism to me. What am I missing? Surely exhortations aren&#8217;t going to reverse a tendency whose mechanical inexorability you have just brutally described?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/downton-on-down/#comment-35212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Secondly, I only said urbanization was a contributing factor, not the sole determinant of government growth. And as for Hong Kong, while I can&#039;t speak to the precise details, I&#039;d note that is has a number of rare or unique advanteges (economic, geographic, entry selection mechanisms, and so on), but that the biggest difference is, of course, HBD. I&#039;d put East Asians as a partial exception to the density mechanism above; in particular, the Chinese have three advantages as I see it:

1. The ability to live and get along with others in close, low-privacy conditions is likely influenced by a number of genetic variations, where Asians likely have a number of advantages; lower body odor from fewer apocrine sweat glands, for example; or the products of the selection forces that removed the 7R allele of DRD4 (associated with ADHD) from the Chinese population (not to mention the effects of generation upon generation of rice farming with regards to avoiding conflict with others).

2. Common culture: common mores and norms, a general understanding of right and wrong shared by all, common interests and tastes, all of these are not only helpful in reducing the frequency of the sort of conflicts requiring government intervention, but &lt;em&gt;necessary&lt;/em&gt; to doing so. And Hanification/Sinicization has done a fairly decent job of that (compared to the Anglosphere).

3. As I understand it, in Imperial China the legal system made all court proceedings, civil and criminal, so onerous and unpleasant for all involved, that people were essentialy forced to develop what were essentialy privatized law/norm enforcement and dispute resolution mechanisms, including a &lt;em&gt;lex mercatoria&lt;/em&gt;-like system, with arbitration, for economic disputes between merchants. The existence of such was likely another selection pressure, feeding back to #1, but was dependent entirely on #2; these mechanisms are only possible with a common culture. (It also depends on effective reputation and shame mechanisms increasingly absent in rootless, atomized, anonymous and hyper-mobile Westerners).

[I&#039;d also point out that all this ties in to the near total replacement of the traditional Anglo-Saxon common-law/jury system by prosecutorial discretion and plea barganing (see Stuntz&#039;s &lt;em&gt;The Collapse of American Criminal Justice&lt;/em&gt;, or Fred Reed&#039;s latest at Taki&#039;s Magazine): a common law system requires a common culture, a common morality (perhaps even, one might say, a common religion); and an Anglo-Saxon court system can only work with Anglo-Saxon crime rates). I&#039;d also point to Stuntz&#039;s book as a source with arguments supporting my contention that urban density and anonymity are contributing factors to increased crime rates and law enforcement costs.]

In short, the Chinese can tolerate more easily densities the rest of humanity require goverment intervention to withstand, because of HBD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secondly, I only said urbanization was a contributing factor, not the sole determinant of government growth. And as for Hong Kong, while I can&#8217;t speak to the precise details, I&#8217;d note that is has a number of rare or unique advanteges (economic, geographic, entry selection mechanisms, and so on), but that the biggest difference is, of course, HBD. I&#8217;d put East Asians as a partial exception to the density mechanism above; in particular, the Chinese have three advantages as I see it:</p>
<p>1. The ability to live and get along with others in close, low-privacy conditions is likely influenced by a number of genetic variations, where Asians likely have a number of advantages; lower body odor from fewer apocrine sweat glands, for example; or the products of the selection forces that removed the 7R allele of DRD4 (associated with ADHD) from the Chinese population (not to mention the effects of generation upon generation of rice farming with regards to avoiding conflict with others).</p>
<p>2. Common culture: common mores and norms, a general understanding of right and wrong shared by all, common interests and tastes, all of these are not only helpful in reducing the frequency of the sort of conflicts requiring government intervention, but <em>necessary</em> to doing so. And Hanification/Sinicization has done a fairly decent job of that (compared to the Anglosphere).</p>
<p>3. As I understand it, in Imperial China the legal system made all court proceedings, civil and criminal, so onerous and unpleasant for all involved, that people were essentialy forced to develop what were essentialy privatized law/norm enforcement and dispute resolution mechanisms, including a <em>lex mercatoria</em>-like system, with arbitration, for economic disputes between merchants. The existence of such was likely another selection pressure, feeding back to #1, but was dependent entirely on #2; these mechanisms are only possible with a common culture. (It also depends on effective reputation and shame mechanisms increasingly absent in rootless, atomized, anonymous and hyper-mobile Westerners).</p>
<p>[I&#8217;d also point out that all this ties in to the near total replacement of the traditional Anglo-Saxon common-law/jury system by prosecutorial discretion and plea barganing (see Stuntz&#8217;s <em>The Collapse of American Criminal Justice</em>, or Fred Reed&#8217;s latest at Taki&#8217;s Magazine): a common law system requires a common culture, a common morality (perhaps even, one might say, a common religion); and an Anglo-Saxon court system can only work with Anglo-Saxon crime rates). I&#8217;d also point to Stuntz&#8217;s book as a source with arguments supporting my contention that urban density and anonymity are contributing factors to increased crime rates and law enforcement costs.]</p>
<p>In short, the Chinese can tolerate more easily densities the rest of humanity require goverment intervention to withstand, because of HBD.</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/downton-on-down/#comment-35209</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no profit, so we get a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.royalmailgroup.com/about-us/regulation/how-were-regulated/universal-service-obligation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Universal Service Obligation&lt;/a&gt; instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no profit, so we get a <a href="http://www.royalmailgroup.com/about-us/regulation/how-were-regulated/universal-service-obligation" rel="nofollow">Universal Service Obligation</a> instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/downton-on-down/#comment-35208</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&#039;Rural post offices&#039; argument&quot;

Actually, never heard of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8216;Rural post offices&#8217; argument&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, never heard of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/downton-on-down/#comment-35207</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You speak the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You speak the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/downton-on-down/#comment-35206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read Saving Calvin Coolidge in a Dream right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read Saving Calvin Coolidge in a Dream right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am glad I read that. It is humbling. I do think that the Christian right had a lot of what you speak of. They are crushed underfoot, and called bigots for hewing to values that have stood for many centuries. They are given no public platform even to defend or explain themselves, let alone to share their personal success.

Neoreaction, in my view is full of bitter people, such as myself, who had sincere public-mindedness and who felt totally defeated. When lessers rule and attack good or successful people specifically because they are good or successful what use is there? Bill DeBlasio sees that the performance of students of all races in the charter schools is orders of magnitude better than in public schools so he aims to destroy them. The administration goes on the warpath to overturn a judge who granted asylum to a hardworking German homeschooling family while granting extralegal amnesty to millions of illegal dependents and turning loose thousands of violent criminal aliens. Concientious objectors to SSM are crushed. The culture taught by television is utterly toxic most of the time.

So people flee. They cocoon.  If society attacks that which is good, it is foolish to put forth good things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad I read that. It is humbling. I do think that the Christian right had a lot of what you speak of. They are crushed underfoot, and called bigots for hewing to values that have stood for many centuries. They are given no public platform even to defend or explain themselves, let alone to share their personal success.</p>
<p>Neoreaction, in my view is full of bitter people, such as myself, who had sincere public-mindedness and who felt totally defeated. When lessers rule and attack good or successful people specifically because they are good or successful what use is there? Bill DeBlasio sees that the performance of students of all races in the charter schools is orders of magnitude better than in public schools so he aims to destroy them. The administration goes on the warpath to overturn a judge who granted asylum to a hardworking German homeschooling family while granting extralegal amnesty to millions of illegal dependents and turning loose thousands of violent criminal aliens. Concientious objectors to SSM are crushed. The culture taught by television is utterly toxic most of the time.</p>
<p>So people flee. They cocoon.  If society attacks that which is good, it is foolish to put forth good things.</p>
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