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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-162723</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SPOILERS for Anathem

This was basically the ending of Anathem, if I recall, and it deeply sucked.]]></description>
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<p>This was basically the ending of Anathem, if I recall, and it deeply sucked.</p>
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		<title>By: Nyan Sandwich</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-162506</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nyan Sandwich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2014 05:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quantum suicide is pretty silly. It&#039;s not like you&#039;re even closing off universes, you&#039;re just removing yourself.

Quantum suicide lottery technique:

Spin the quantum chamber, shoot self 5/6 times or collect $1000000 1/6 of the time.

Result:

5 worlds out of 6 you&#039;re dead, in one you have a million dollars.

So what? This only seems interesting if you believe you have exactly one soul that can execute horizontal universe jumps on death.

Maybe I&#039;m missing something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantum suicide is pretty silly. It&#8217;s not like you&#8217;re even closing off universes, you&#8217;re just removing yourself.</p>
<p>Quantum suicide lottery technique:</p>
<p>Spin the quantum chamber, shoot self 5/6 times or collect $1000000 1/6 of the time.</p>
<p>Result:</p>
<p>5 worlds out of 6 you&#8217;re dead, in one you have a million dollars.</p>
<p>So what? This only seems interesting if you believe you have exactly one soul that can execute horizontal universe jumps on death.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing something.</p>
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		<title>By: Krelian</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-162267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Krelian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Bryce Laliberte

I think your fears are over-warranted. Leibniz, Boole, and Gödel all saw God in their work.

Mathematics is a language, yes. It&#039;s not that great of a language, because while it tries to be unambiguous, it largely fails in this respect due to lack of foresight and reasons of legacy (all of these ambiguities can be resolved with a little context). Nonetheless, it is a language with a set of syntactical symbols, a set of rules on how to compose the symbols, and a set of mappings or morphisms to the underlying semantics, or the meaning of the symbols. One should make efforts not to confuse the syntax for the semantics in the same way one should avoid idolatry. It is a grave error to confuse an idol for the thing in itself.

You&#039;re probably aware that the semantics of mathematics is universal. One can change the symbols and even the set of compositional rules, while retaining the underlying meaning. Take for instance the Curry–Howard correspondence, which describes an isomorphism between typed lambda calculus and classical logic. In other words, it shows that universal computation (imperative) and mathematics (declarative) are equivalent.

It is in this light that we can understand mathematics to be a human language that captures and distills in a declarative manner the higher-level computational thought-processes of our own minds. Minds that are embedded within our reality. We can also configure a small subset of matter within this world into a machine, a computer, that obeys the same rules of universal computation, independent of mind. What this tells us is that the fabric of reality, has the quality of Turing completeness (at least in the bounded sense). If it didn&#039;t, it would be impossible to build such machines.

We can exploit different physical phenomenon and utilize different material substrates to build computers. You can build a mechanical computer with gears and pulleys. A computer that relies on fluid pumps, fluid pressure, and gravity. An electronic computer with semiconductor switches. A biological computer that exploits RNA recombination. In each, the semantics of universal computation--of mathematics--are the same. And yet, each form of computer we can create behaves in a similar manner from a thermodynamic and morphodynamic point of view. Like the reality they are embedded within, they are engines of entropy. Orthograde processes that give rise to a rich hierarchy of contragrade processes that are not be found via reduction of the system into its underlying constituent material components, but only exist within the system as a whole. Contragrade processes that are substrate independent, immaterial, and in a teleological sense, intrinsically oriented toward the rules of universal computation and thus mathematics.

What better tool to use when describing properties or modeling &quot;hidden variables&quot; that are hypothesized to not interact with our bubble of causality?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bryce Laliberte</p>
<p>I think your fears are over-warranted. Leibniz, Boole, and Gödel all saw God in their work.</p>
<p>Mathematics is a language, yes. It&#8217;s not that great of a language, because while it tries to be unambiguous, it largely fails in this respect due to lack of foresight and reasons of legacy (all of these ambiguities can be resolved with a little context). Nonetheless, it is a language with a set of syntactical symbols, a set of rules on how to compose the symbols, and a set of mappings or morphisms to the underlying semantics, or the meaning of the symbols. One should make efforts not to confuse the syntax for the semantics in the same way one should avoid idolatry. It is a grave error to confuse an idol for the thing in itself.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably aware that the semantics of mathematics is universal. One can change the symbols and even the set of compositional rules, while retaining the underlying meaning. Take for instance the Curry–Howard correspondence, which describes an isomorphism between typed lambda calculus and classical logic. In other words, it shows that universal computation (imperative) and mathematics (declarative) are equivalent.</p>
<p>It is in this light that we can understand mathematics to be a human language that captures and distills in a declarative manner the higher-level computational thought-processes of our own minds. Minds that are embedded within our reality. We can also configure a small subset of matter within this world into a machine, a computer, that obeys the same rules of universal computation, independent of mind. What this tells us is that the fabric of reality, has the quality of Turing completeness (at least in the bounded sense). If it didn&#8217;t, it would be impossible to build such machines.</p>
<p>We can exploit different physical phenomenon and utilize different material substrates to build computers. You can build a mechanical computer with gears and pulleys. A computer that relies on fluid pumps, fluid pressure, and gravity. An electronic computer with semiconductor switches. A biological computer that exploits RNA recombination. In each, the semantics of universal computation&#8211;of mathematics&#8211;are the same. And yet, each form of computer we can create behaves in a similar manner from a thermodynamic and morphodynamic point of view. Like the reality they are embedded within, they are engines of entropy. Orthograde processes that give rise to a rich hierarchy of contragrade processes that are not be found via reduction of the system into its underlying constituent material components, but only exist within the system as a whole. Contragrade processes that are substrate independent, immaterial, and in a teleological sense, intrinsically oriented toward the rules of universal computation and thus mathematics.</p>
<p>What better tool to use when describing properties or modeling &#8220;hidden variables&#8221; that are hypothesized to not interact with our bubble of causality?</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-162098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edge of Tomorrow was okay, but it will be forgotten while Groundhog Day will remain a classic. I thought the alien design in Edge of Tomorrow was boring, in fact I can&#039;t even remember what they looked like. I would recommend Source Code as a decent reimagining of GD. (To be sure, I don&#039;t think GD was the first movie to use that narrative trick.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edge of Tomorrow was okay, but it will be forgotten while Groundhog Day will remain a classic. I thought the alien design in Edge of Tomorrow was boring, in fact I can&#8217;t even remember what they looked like. I would recommend Source Code as a decent reimagining of GD. (To be sure, I don&#8217;t think GD was the first movie to use that narrative trick.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-161730</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 20:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Erebus,

absolutely right.  I think its Kgaard who says that Christianity used to be believable, but now isn&#039;t, because of the wonders of Science.  This is, of course, nonsense on stilts.  The ancients were not confused on the nature of reproduction or the finality of death.  The virgin birth idea and the resurrection doctrine were never &#039; believable.&#039;  I think its Paul who explicitly states that what he is preaching is folly to the Greeks and blasphemy to the Jews.  The main Christian doctrines were unbelievable enough that Tertullian could make an apologetic out of it.  &quot;Credo qui absurdum&quot;--it must be true because its too bizarre for anyone to have made up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Erebus,</p>
<p>absolutely right.  I think its Kgaard who says that Christianity used to be believable, but now isn&#8217;t, because of the wonders of Science.  This is, of course, nonsense on stilts.  The ancients were not confused on the nature of reproduction or the finality of death.  The virgin birth idea and the resurrection doctrine were never &#8216; believable.&#8217;  I think its Paul who explicitly states that what he is preaching is folly to the Greeks and blasphemy to the Jews.  The main Christian doctrines were unbelievable enough that Tertullian could make an apologetic out of it.  &#8220;Credo qui absurdum&#8221;&#8211;it must be true because its too bizarre for anyone to have made up.</p>
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		<title>By: Kwisatz Haderach</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-161718</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kwisatz Haderach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 20:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On your recommendation, I watched it. And, surprisingly, I did not hate it, even though, under ordinary conditions, I hate any subset of { Action &#124; CGI &#124; Tom Cruise } movies.

But, I don&#039;t think it holds a candle to Groundhog Day, which was a classic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On your recommendation, I watched it. And, surprisingly, I did not hate it, even though, under ordinary conditions, I hate any subset of { Action | CGI | Tom Cruise } movies.</p>
<p>But, I don&#8217;t think it holds a candle to Groundhog Day, which was a classic.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-161362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 02:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agnostic on Tegmark&#039;s conclusions, but always massively stimulated by his ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agnostic on Tegmark&#8217;s conclusions, but always massively stimulated by his ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-161314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 00:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a working link to a similar paper, Why Strict Churches are Strong:
http://majorsmatter.net/religion/Readings/RationalChoice.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a working link to a similar paper, Why Strict Churches are Strong:<br />
<a href="http://majorsmatter.net/religion/Readings/RationalChoice.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://majorsmatter.net/religion/Readings/RationalChoice.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-161312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 00:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sociology of religion literature seems to support this.  For example, Larry Iannaccone has a paper, Sacrifice and Stigma: Reducing Free Riding in Cults, Communes, and Other Collectives (J. of Political Economy, 1992, 21 pages).  Requiring people to believe impossible things creates a stigma that makes the group more cohesive and hence, more attractive to its members.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sociology of religion literature seems to support this.  For example, Larry Iannaccone has a paper, Sacrifice and Stigma: Reducing Free Riding in Cults, Communes, and Other Collectives (J. of Political Economy, 1992, 21 pages).  Requiring people to believe impossible things creates a stigma that makes the group more cohesive and hence, more attractive to its members.</p>
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		<title>By: Scharlach</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/edge-of-tomorrow/#comment-161245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scharlach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just playin with you, bro. Happy Holidays! 

(Admin, I apologize for sullying what is probably your most suggestive post in months with sophomoric piffle.. I&#039;ll return with value added comments as soon as the bourbon wears off.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just playin with you, bro. Happy Holidays! </p>
<p>(Admin, I apologize for sullying what is probably your most suggestive post in months with sophomoric piffle.. I&#8217;ll return with value added comments as soon as the bourbon wears off.)</p>
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