<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Ethno-Cladistics</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/</link>
	<description>Involvements with reality</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:56:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NRx with Chinese Characteristics</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-36092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NRx with Chinese Characteristics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2014 01:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-36092</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] least some) of the manifold complexities involved, Outside in holds to a fundamentally cladistic determination of Neoreaction. NRx is irreducibly Occidental, emerging from a highly-specific twig of Anglophone [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] least some) of the manifold complexities involved, Outside in holds to a fundamentally cladistic determination of Neoreaction. NRx is irreducibly Occidental, emerging from a highly-specific twig of Anglophone [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-12256</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-12256</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[At least comparing Graeco-Roman paganism with Christianity, I&#039;d say that gets it exactly backwards.  Paganism had no real interior life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least comparing Graeco-Roman paganism with Christianity, I&#8217;d say that gets it exactly backwards.  Paganism had no real interior life.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-12246</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 15:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-12246</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[That looks like a speculative theory disguised as a question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That looks like a speculative theory disguised as a question.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-12210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-12210</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Is the level of sanctimony in a society related to the level of social mobility?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the level of sanctimony in a society related to the level of social mobility?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-12105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 04:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-12105</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I seem to recall reading somewhere (Iannaccone?) that Christianity (or the JCI family?) differs from a lot of other religions (e.g. Roman Paganism, Hindu) in that it is more of a public, social activity.  Paganism may be practiced individually or in families, but Christianity is more of a temple religion.  Maybe there is more of a precedent in the West for using professed beliefs as shibboleths?  That would explain why no one cares if it makes any logical sense, as long as it signals loyalty.  Is a social precedent (a Schelling point?) a close enough substitute for DNA?

In terms of a sports analogy, what do I have to do to score a goal?  Is Chinese culture like tennis, a solitary sport, only you score points by having more wealth or power than other people?  Is Christianity more like baseball, a team sport, where you have sacrifice flies?  Or American football, where maintaining solidarity in the defensive line is more important than clear thinking?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall reading somewhere (Iannaccone?) that Christianity (or the JCI family?) differs from a lot of other religions (e.g. Roman Paganism, Hindu) in that it is more of a public, social activity.  Paganism may be practiced individually or in families, but Christianity is more of a temple religion.  Maybe there is more of a precedent in the West for using professed beliefs as shibboleths?  That would explain why no one cares if it makes any logical sense, as long as it signals loyalty.  Is a social precedent (a Schelling point?) a close enough substitute for DNA?</p>
<p>In terms of a sports analogy, what do I have to do to score a goal?  Is Chinese culture like tennis, a solitary sport, only you score points by having more wealth or power than other people?  Is Christianity more like baseball, a team sport, where you have sacrifice flies?  Or American football, where maintaining solidarity in the defensive line is more important than clear thinking?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-12100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 03:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-12100</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Yes ... but. Retroviruses are able to transfer genetic material between even distant biological lineages, so the difference between the &#039;natural&#039; and &#039;cultural&#039; orders is not clear cut. Genetic engineering will further erode the differences that remain.

Your final paragraph is fizzing with germinal research programs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8230; but. Retroviruses are able to transfer genetic material between even distant biological lineages, so the difference between the &#8216;natural&#8217; and &#8216;cultural&#8217; orders is not clear cut. Genetic engineering will further erode the differences that remain.</p>
<p>Your final paragraph is fizzing with germinal research programs.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: C. Y. Chen</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-12097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C. Y. Chen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 03:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-12097</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I think we should think of horizontal transmission as analogous to transmission of genetic material, rather than propagation of the organism itself.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer)  Of course, this is not the main method of transmission of genetic material, due to speciation barriers.

The part where the strict cladistic analogy starts to fit less well is when we take into account that when biological speciation occurs, there can be no crossbreeding.  Man can&#039;t reproduce with a sheep, try as some might.

With human cultures, languages, and ways of thought, that&#039;s not necessarily the case--certain concepts and ideas may become adopted by foreign hosts due to cultural diffusion, imposition, etc.  It&#039;s hard to discretely distinguish between similarities arising due to common descent and convergence due to contact.  Do the languages of, say, the Altaic sprachbund possess similar features due to common descent or due to areal interaction?  Possibly both?  It&#039;s not entirely clear when the possibility of horizontal transmission is present.

Another note is that biological species and/or human lineages may be qualitatively similar but not close in terms of common descent.  This raises the question of the neoreaction&#039;s relationships to Puritanism and libertarianism, as well as with Carlylean thought and throne &#039;n&#039; altar conservatism.  Are these similarities polyphyletic but distinct in lineage, or can we say that they arose due to cross-breeding between the two lineages?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should think of horizontal transmission as analogous to transmission of genetic material, rather than propagation of the organism itself.  (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer</a>)  Of course, this is not the main method of transmission of genetic material, due to speciation barriers.</p>
<p>The part where the strict cladistic analogy starts to fit less well is when we take into account that when biological speciation occurs, there can be no crossbreeding.  Man can&#8217;t reproduce with a sheep, try as some might.</p>
<p>With human cultures, languages, and ways of thought, that&#8217;s not necessarily the case&#8211;certain concepts and ideas may become adopted by foreign hosts due to cultural diffusion, imposition, etc.  It&#8217;s hard to discretely distinguish between similarities arising due to common descent and convergence due to contact.  Do the languages of, say, the Altaic sprachbund possess similar features due to common descent or due to areal interaction?  Possibly both?  It&#8217;s not entirely clear when the possibility of horizontal transmission is present.</p>
<p>Another note is that biological species and/or human lineages may be qualitatively similar but not close in terms of common descent.  This raises the question of the neoreaction&#8217;s relationships to Puritanism and libertarianism, as well as with Carlylean thought and throne &#8216;n&#8217; altar conservatism.  Are these similarities polyphyletic but distinct in lineage, or can we say that they arose due to cross-breeding between the two lineages?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-12082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 00:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-12082</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[@ spandrell -- I think my &#039;genetics&#039; reference was confusing. I meant it in the abstract sense -- an almost (but not quite) metaphorical term for hereditary information -- rather than a specifically bio-racial one. Whilst the theoretical expectation is that biology (evo-psych) and nature constitute a cultural continuum, pushing this discussion all the way back into the human genome seems over-ambitious at the moment (I agree).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ spandrell &#8212; I think my &#8216;genetics&#8217; reference was confusing. I meant it in the abstract sense &#8212; an almost (but not quite) metaphorical term for hereditary information &#8212; rather than a specifically bio-racial one. Whilst the theoretical expectation is that biology (evo-psych) and nature constitute a cultural continuum, pushing this discussion all the way back into the human genome seems over-ambitious at the moment (I agree).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-12073</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-12073</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;it’s not my thought&quot; -- the connection is the thought]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it’s not my thought&#8221; &#8212; the connection is the thought</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/ethno-cladistics/#comment-12065</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fotrkd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.xenosystems.net/?p=1168#comment-12065</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Ah, well that would be because it&#039;s not my thought (which also means it needs some deciphering at this end).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, well that would be because it&#8217;s not my thought (which also means it needs some deciphering at this end).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
