Exit Options

Everyone will notice them when they’ve gone.

All recent policy decisions by the reigning political-economic structure are intelligible as a mandatory bubble. If you didn’t think quietly ‘sitting it out’ was already the exercise of an exit option, the necessary lesson will be increasingly hard to ignore. Refusing to invest everything into this lunacy is ceasing to be a permissible social posture. We’ve already reached the stage where merely seeking to preserve a pot of retirement savings has been officially recoded as something close to right-wing guerrilla warfare.

Anybody with anything at all is now in the position where they are faced with an aggressive binary dilemma. Either unreserved collaboration with the final phase gamble of the existing order — amounting ultimately to the all-in bet that politics has no ontological limits, so that any dysfunction is soluble in a sufficient exertion of will — or a dissident skepticism about this dominant assertion, practically instantiated by ever more desperate attempts at withdrawal (persecuted with ever greater fanaticism as acts of sabotage).

There will be massive confusion among the destitution. Explaining why capital preservation is being persecuted as dissent would provide the scaffolding for a counter-narrative that will certainly, eventually, be needed.

ADDED: The basic point is this, if it is conceded to Keynes that refusing to invest in industrial production is anti-social, then, as a matter of realistic political necessity, any insane evil that the powers-that-be come up with gets defined as ‘industrial production’. Let go of gold — the archaic economic exit option — as we did, and anything at all that we’re told to sink all we have into is green-lighted. The stream was crossed without enough people noticing. Now the fascism we chose reaps its consequences. It isn’t going to be pretty.

June 6, 2015admin 38 Comments »
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  • Exit Options | Neoreactive Says:

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  • NRx_N00B Says:

    Does this political-economic problem have underlying ecological roots? We need MOAR liquidity!—keep the dying system lubricated, spend, spend, spend.

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    admin Reply:

    Relevant to this is Greer, whose utterly pedestrian social-democratic mass consumerism (in recent posts) has been a thing of horrific wonder to those expecting something better. No, the politics have been the decisive thing, because we’re not close enough to the ecological limits for them to bite yet. This mess is based on an attempt to do a democratic-welfarist end run around Malthusian realities, rather than a collision with the kind of cosmic resource restraints that would impede the industrial progress of a laissez-faire capitalist social order.

    These people (Greer is simply the most lucid) sincerely believe that the ultimate purpose of capital is to defy Darwinism. It is of course a laughable position for anyone claiming ‘ecological’ realism to adopt, but they abandon any attempt to comprehend capital long before they let go of their axiom that it has to be for us.

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    Different T Reply:

    These people (Greer is simply the most lucid) sincerely believe that the ultimate purpose of capital is to defy Darwinism.

    So what is the purpose of growing richer? (And setting aside the glaring question regarding the “discovery” of what capital is.

    It is of course a laughable position for anyone claiming ‘ecological’ realism to adopt, but they abandon any attempt to comprehend capital long before they let go of their axiom that it has to be for us.

    Sacrifice to the unborn “deus ex-machina”?

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    Chris B Reply:

    “It is of course a laughable position for anyone claiming ‘ecological’ realism to adopt, but they abandon any attempt to comprehend capital long before they let go of their axiom that it has to be for us.” Then surely we have the justification and right to fight against this, as opposed to remain agents of a process that is not within our control?

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    admin Reply:

    “… the justification and right …” — the what?

    Chris B Reply:

    If a tiger is about to eat you, do you stand and allow it on the basis that it is a natural process? or do you shoot or trap the tiger? The ultimate end point of capitalism as a process of post-human existence seems to me to call for either a Butlerian Jihad or extreme reordering of political affairs to make control of capitalism feasible. There is no real reason control is not possible, if anything it seems that leftist disorder has been a boon for uncontrolled destructive capitalist directions such as consumerism. Again, this is not too far from a lot of what MM wrote.

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    admin Reply:

    “There is no real reason control is not possible” — unless you count the fact that capitalism is vastly more intelligent than the stunned apes trying to get a grip on it.

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    Different T Reply:

    if anything it seems that leftist disorder has been a boon for uncontrolled destructive capitalist directions

    Which is why admin’s ramblings are incoherent.

    He wants to describe capitalism as containing “only one terminal law: anything that can feed gets to live.” He also wants to describe capitalism as utilizing a value system unrelated to humans, ie. capital optimized for more capital optimized for more capital (based on what capital “judges” to be in the best interest of “capital”). The latter he must admit he cannot comprehend (or else it would be relatable to humans and he wouldn’t need to invoke “deus ex-machina” as the judge).

    And then he rambles on about the Cathedral being “evil.”

    This has already been elucidated multiple times. The best summary from Artxell Knaphni:

    the obvious question, which I’ve mentioned before: Is the “controlling drive” (e.g. the Cathedral) not already the “superior form of “emergent order” that has issued out of ‘realist pressures’? If not, why not, what excludes it? Only the view of an idealised extension of optimisation strategies deriving from a current perspective of dissatisfactions, that proffers the results of its own historically entrenched bias as a self-fulfilling, ‘realist’ justification?

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    admin Reply:

    The incoherence is an artifact, resulting from your (incoherent) positioning of me in two different ways:
    (1, accurately) as a stunned ape commentator on capital, somewhat abnormally alienated by the complacent cognitive and moral pretensions of our species.
    (2, bizarrely) as a lucid voice of capital teleology, ‘incoherently’ reverting to ape gibberish, such as denunciations of ‘evil’.
    As we get digested by capital, I’m throwing a few peanuts at you and hooting. There’s nothing ‘incoherent’ about that at all.

    As for the preposterous positive theory you and AK are advancing, it’s surely demolished by the demonstrated fact that the massively compromised East Asian variant of unleashed capital is so unambiguously eating the dying Western version’s lunch.

    Different T Reply:

    (1, accurately) as a stunned ape commentator on capital, somewhat abnormally alienated by the complacent cognitive and moral pretensions of our species.

    No. You were not alienated. You embraced the alien.

    “In short,he will remove from man the forces which are his own strength in order to give him other forces that are foreign to him and which he cannot use with-out the help of others. The more the natural forces are dead and eliminated, the greater and more lasting will be the acquired forces and the more insti-tutions will be solid and perfect. In this way, once every citizen is nothing and can nothing, other than through all the others, and once the force acquired from the whole is equal or superior to the sum of natural forces of all indi- viduals, then it can be said that legislation has reached the highest degree of perfection.” – Rousseau

    (2, bizarrely) as a lucid voice of capital teleology, ‘incoherently’ reverting to ape gibberish, such as denunciations of ‘evil’.

    No, you positioned yourself as a stunned ape who has given up the ability (to say nothing of the right) to judge, “yet ‘incoherently’ reverts to ape gibberish, such as denunciations of ‘evil’.”

    As you get eaten by capital, I’m throwing a few peanuts at you and hooting. There’s nothing ‘incoherent’ about that at all.

    Different T Reply:

    As for the preposterous positive theory you and AK are advancing, it’s surely demolished by the demonstrated fact that the massively compromised East Asian variant of unleashed capital is so unambiguously eating the dying Western version’s lunch.

    What? The Asians sending the West their output are eating the West’s lunch? That is empirically backwards.

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  • tide detergent is money Says:

    beatings will continue until morale improves.

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  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    What can be done?

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  • Michael Says:

    cant find the links but when i first read of this i thought it had to be a conspiracy theory but as far as i can tell its not,it seems Cyprus was a dry run for what they call a bail in, they is most of the western world governments have passed laws which they claimed were really not necessary since they already had legal authority yada yada so the plan is they know there wont be enough government money for the next bail out so they plan to freeze accounts and give depositors shares in the worthless banks, they claim we should already understand that deposits are actually unsecured loans to a bank not an agreement for safekeeping. They also have a plan which i had heard of but thought it was mere thinking out loud to seize all retirement accounts and instead give a increase in social security payments.

    OK so this cant possibly be true the author is referring to all these white papers and policy statements and treaties and it all began and ended with the Bank for international settlements- guess what i found all the documents unless someone has pulled an elders of zion this is for real. well if you think about it of course they will do that if = er when they have to. i started looking for places to hide not really much you can do outside the usual gold in the mattress and bitcoin but most peoples retirement money cant be withdrawn without heavy penalty which might be better than nothing and if you are in a traditional pension plan that moneys untouchable.
    it might even have been tyler that alerted me to this

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    When a society is collapsing, there is no extracting wealth because wealth was contracted under the previous regime which no longer exists. There is no exit; there is only collapse, and the smart pulling away from the foolish and oppressing/exiling those because they are the destroyers of civilizations.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    right, smart pulling into bitcoins now

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  • Asher Says:

    If its any solace you can think of what we can do to them when the collapse comes

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  • HeadwindsofReality Says:

    The link is just an “advertorial” intended to harvest email addresses for some guys financial services marketing list.

    Selling “solutions” to scared white people (not necessarily couched in those terms) will be a growth industry as we get nearer to wherever it is we are headed.

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  • Different T Says:

    Let go of gold — the archaic economic exit option — as we did, and anything at all that we’re told to sink all we have into is green-lighted.

    What do you mean by “the archaic economic exit option?”

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    How do you make these thoughts coherent in your head? Capital has its own agenda that proceeds w/o regards to humans, but then these pesky humans find ways to get each other “to sink all we have into” “any insane evil”?

    Your complaint is that instead of humans investing into a non-human value system, they are being manipulated into investing in “any insane evil” (as defined by your inferior human head)?

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    admin Reply:

    You understand it, you just don’t like it.

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    Different T Reply:

    If you mean ““the archaic economic exit option,” I do not understand it.

    If you mean your incoherent thoughts, you are correct.

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    Exfernal Reply:

    Should someone spell it, just for you?

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  • Wagner Says:

    Greenland the future Octarineland?

    We’d need some kind of postmodern Declaration of Independence unless we want to merely create the 51st state, which we don’t, or which I don’t anyway. We should scrutinize the two and a half centuries of the American experiment and try to objectively as we can isolate what we got right and what we got wrong- what the telos of our most basic principles has so far unfolded to look like. Here’s an easy example: why is “America” synonymous with “McDonald’s”? The tenets inherent in our constitution and in our scripture has led to this- where else would this superficial culture of hedonism and consumption originate from if not its official foundational documents? We don’t need to start from scratch, we just need to be able to admit it if some part of our civic religion is way off.

    Greenland wouldn’t have to be a mono-culture anyway. Say we split it into four patches all with different constitutions.

    I know that the patch I’d want to live in would have a precog incubation facility in the caverns beneath the mountains. Whoever spawns posthumans first is likely going to infest the rest of the world with their seeming “evil”. What’s to stop a 250 IQ race from spreading its weltanschauung globally? It would be as simple as capturing gorillas and teaching them sign language.

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    Wagner Reply:

    What propaganda, what Art, would they be capable of?

    Oh just an innocent Netflix series imported from where? Greenland? What have they been up to over there?

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    Wagner Reply:

    When I say “list of types that won’t be invited” who specifically arises in your mind first? Second? Third? 🤐

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    Wagner Reply:

    I can sense communist screeching. They don’t want us to do this.

    “It would be a bad example,” they might warn, vaguely (always vaguely).

    What would be? Building actually futuristic cities?

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    Wagner Reply:

    Not to “sound” picky or anything, it’s just that this Greenland idea feels like a slap in the face to me.

    Welcome to Summer

    https://imgur.com/a/F7gKqx7

    With ever-emerging advancements in aero-technology we could take exceedingly speedy flights to the equator… Still though…

    I dream of the day that the picture is snapped of Trump shaking King Moldbug’s hand in the T R O P I C S over their two-part secession+nuclear-possession deal.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Mille is a narcissist if I ever saw one. Danes are ruled by an ugly young Hillary?

    One on one debates between world-leaders is a necessity. Just normal, living-room talks about how our countries and the world are going (if there’s a difference between the two).

    If there’s no filter, all the best. Why we call today’s left totalitarian is because they make sure certain viewpoints aren’t smiling and pointing at them in public,

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    Wagner Reply:

    Most practical option is crypto-secession. “Everyone” moving to New England for “reasons”. At least until we buy Greenland (fantasy) or settle Indonesia (fantasy).

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    Wagner Reply:

    Since they all team up in the sordid conspiracy of “ressentiment” or “bioleninism” (whichever more precise term for “globalism” that you prefer) against us, the grand strategy is

    Escape in a sordid conspiracy of our own, and

    Create posthumans, who will

    Gradually overtake the vulnerable global-humans using mind-control

    They will likely be in such a degenerate state at that point that culling them from the face of the earth and using them as fertilizer will be the best option.

    The telos of the left is to create a citizenry that is valuable as fertilizer. Something I want to avoid!

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    Wagner Reply:

    The left is literally committed to watching sportsball for a thousand more years and then -maybe- deciding to turns its interests toward high art and cutting-edge science, maybe, maybe- why not two thousand more years? Why not forever?

    Hippie idiots. 420 million South Americans need to be pampered and happy before WE are happy.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Yep, we’re all going to live in a utopian patch someday, and it’s going to be sweet.

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  • Wagner Says:

    https://imgur.com/a/mImFH9c

    Well isn’t that nice.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I wonder how thot patrol is in Russia. That can really make or break a country.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Peace idea for the Brits: instead of exiting from the EU why don’t they split the country in half, and half can exit from the EU?

    Possible response to this: “We need to stay strong *together*, as a country.”

    If both sides absolutely despise each other is it a country in anything other than name?

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  • Wagner Says:

    I’ve gotten into the pattern of fantasizing about the US being split in half between East and West, and blues and reds respectively moving to their chosen ideological zone. However it would be much more accurate to think of it as a split between North and South. The North could be called the New US, and the South could be called, New Mexico. The dems and leftists could enjoy their open borders as an autonomous country, including all of the blessed post-slavery southern disaster-patches.

    lol one wonders why moldyboy is never formally quoted:

    https://imgur.com/a/KnqhhkH

    So “New Mexico” can have all the numinous detritus in Chicago, NYC, and Detroit for another 50 years of Operation Wishful Thinking, as well as actively herd rancid hordes from South America into their Utopic Leftist Civilization, while the New US above works on S.M.I.²L.E.-related activities in between making and watching classic literature adapted into movies and TV shows–and not to mention probably writing new classics!

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  • Wagner Says:

    Practically speaking, when I think of exit I think of Maine. I drove through there a few times as a teenager and all I remember is roads with miles of uninterrupted forest. Ma n Pa shop, 7 miles of forest, nother ma n pa shop, 10 miles of forest, dunno if it’s still like that, that’s just the image in my mind for exit. Mainers are like Don’t tell them about our secret place!! Those demographics though.

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