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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6150</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whilst I&#039;m inclined to agree (and certainly it is recorded as the beginning of the end of Dee and Kelley&#039;s &#039;actions&#039;), there is another way to explain Dee&#039;s susceptibility (wandering briefly off topic and setting aside modern cynicism) - the subordination of reason to something else:

&lt;i&gt;Ultimately, however, Dee&#039;s faith in the actions rested not on the quality of Kelley&#039;s performance, but on the visions themselves. The material he had received may have sometimes been incomprehensible, but it seemed too compelling, too philosophically sophisticated, intricate and elaborate to be invented. It fitted perfectly the patterns he had witnessed through his work and his life: the Nova and comets, the ecclesiastical schisms and bloody wars, the acclamations and denunciations, the ancient texts and new worlds, the arrests, the burnings, the loss of friends and making of enemies, the spying, ciphers and secrets. The world was on the brink. Such an outpouring of spiritual activity was inevitable.

But not this. This idea of sharing wives did not fit at all.

&#039;Your own reason riseth up against my wisdom,&#039; Madami told Dee. &#039;Behold, you are become free. Do that which most pleaseth you.&#039; He had become free. Throughout his career, Dee had struggled to reconcile reason with wisdom, understanding with faith. The angels had apparently provided him with the means of reconciling the two. His faith had delivered the message, his understanding would enable him to make sense of it.

...It was a test of his faith. Dee had to decide whether it was a divine instruction, which his faith must lead him to believe, or an elaborate deception, as his reason might otherwise conclude.

In undertaking the actions, Dee had &#039;offered my soul as a pawn&#039;, as he put it.

...A lifetime was focused on this decision, like a beam of light projected into a darkened room. &lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst I&#8217;m inclined to agree (and certainly it is recorded as the beginning of the end of Dee and Kelley&#8217;s &#8216;actions&#8217;), there is another way to explain Dee&#8217;s susceptibility (wandering briefly off topic and setting aside modern cynicism) &#8211; the subordination of reason to something else:</p>
<p><i>Ultimately, however, Dee&#8217;s faith in the actions rested not on the quality of Kelley&#8217;s performance, but on the visions themselves. The material he had received may have sometimes been incomprehensible, but it seemed too compelling, too philosophically sophisticated, intricate and elaborate to be invented. It fitted perfectly the patterns he had witnessed through his work and his life: the Nova and comets, the ecclesiastical schisms and bloody wars, the acclamations and denunciations, the ancient texts and new worlds, the arrests, the burnings, the loss of friends and making of enemies, the spying, ciphers and secrets. The world was on the brink. Such an outpouring of spiritual activity was inevitable.</p>
<p>But not this. This idea of sharing wives did not fit at all.</p>
<p>&#8216;Your own reason riseth up against my wisdom,&#8217; Madami told Dee. &#8216;Behold, you are become free. Do that which most pleaseth you.&#8217; He had become free. Throughout his career, Dee had struggled to reconcile reason with wisdom, understanding with faith. The angels had apparently provided him with the means of reconciling the two. His faith had delivered the message, his understanding would enable him to make sense of it.</p>
<p>&#8230;It was a test of his faith. Dee had to decide whether it was a divine instruction, which his faith must lead him to believe, or an elaborate deception, as his reason might otherwise conclude.</p>
<p>In undertaking the actions, Dee had &#8216;offered my soul as a pawn&#8217;, as he put it.</p>
<p>&#8230;A lifetime was focused on this decision, like a beam of light projected into a darkened room. </i></p>
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		<title>By: John Hannon</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6096</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 22:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@fotrkd&lt;/strong&gt;

The pact broke down only a few weeks later though, due to Dee&#039;s wife being far less gullible than her husband, and Kelly&#039;s wife knowing just what a devious little con artist her old man could be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@fotrkd</strong></p>
<p>The pact broke down only a few weeks later though, due to Dee&#8217;s wife being far less gullible than her husband, and Kelly&#8217;s wife knowing just what a devious little con artist her old man could be.</p>
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		<title>By: Thales</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thales]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Related:

http://blog.jim.com/culture/speaking-truth-to-power.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.jim.com/culture/speaking-truth-to-power.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.jim.com/culture/speaking-truth-to-power.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6058</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;We pick up the story of the wife share in Dee’s biography:

Dee did not understand. Share in what sense? he asked – in the sense of “carnal use, contrary to the law of the commandment, or of spiritual love and charitable care and unity of minds, for the service of God advancing?’”

A vision Kelley then beheld in the stone settled the matter: “Upon a scroll, like the edge of a carpet, is written: ‘I speak of both.’”

Not surprisingly, at the end of the séance, Dee was in a state of “great amazement and grief”, but such was his faith in the spirits that he agreed to go ahead. His diary tells us that his wife Jane was still less impressed by the idea, and we can only guess at how Kelley’s wife Joanna, felt about it. Before fulfilling the pact, the four of them signed a solemn covenant:

“… O Almighty God… at this present, [we] do faithfully and sincerely confess, and acknowledge, that thy profound wisdom in this most new and strange doctrine (among Christians) propounded, commended, and enjoined unto us four only, is above human reason.”

On 21 May 1587, Dee confirmed that the wife share had taken place, with just two words in Latin in his diary: “Pactum factum” – pact fulfilled.&lt;/I&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We pick up the story of the wife share in Dee’s biography:</p>
<p>Dee did not understand. Share in what sense? he asked – in the sense of “carnal use, contrary to the law of the commandment, or of spiritual love and charitable care and unity of minds, for the service of God advancing?’”</p>
<p>A vision Kelley then beheld in the stone settled the matter: “Upon a scroll, like the edge of a carpet, is written: ‘I speak of both.’”</p>
<p>Not surprisingly, at the end of the séance, Dee was in a state of “great amazement and grief”, but such was his faith in the spirits that he agreed to go ahead. His diary tells us that his wife Jane was still less impressed by the idea, and we can only guess at how Kelley’s wife Joanna, felt about it. Before fulfilling the pact, the four of them signed a solemn covenant:</p>
<p>“… O Almighty God… at this present, [we] do faithfully and sincerely confess, and acknowledge, that thy profound wisdom in this most new and strange doctrine (among Christians) propounded, commended, and enjoined unto us four only, is above human reason.”</p>
<p>On 21 May 1587, Dee confirmed that the wife share had taken place, with just two words in Latin in his diary: “Pactum factum” – pact fulfilled.</i></p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spandrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s use Who-whom framework to analyze the relationship between Government and the Media.

Who screws whose wives?

Do more politicians screw media men&#039;s wives,
or media men screw more politician&#039;s wives?

If we had some data we could deduct with certainty where the real power reside.

With PRISM we can actually answer this question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s use Who-whom framework to analyze the relationship between Government and the Media.</p>
<p>Who screws whose wives?</p>
<p>Do more politicians screw media men&#8217;s wives,<br />
or media men screw more politician&#8217;s wives?</p>
<p>If we had some data we could deduct with certainty where the real power reside.</p>
<p>With PRISM we can actually answer this question.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That wins weirdest story of the week from me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That wins weirdest story of the week from me.</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fotrkd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fallout from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/11/brooks-and-camerons-texts-shakespeare&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Leveson&lt;/a&gt; continues?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fallout from <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/11/brooks-and-camerons-texts-shakespeare" rel="nofollow">Leveson</a> continues?</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6054</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spandrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They not only marry each other, they also screw each other&#039;s wives:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341825/Tony-Blair-strongly-denies-affair-Wendi-Deng-outrageous-rumours-sweep-internet-reason-Murdoch-divorce.html

Not really family values but related surely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They not only marry each other, they also screw each other&#8217;s wives:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341825/Tony-Blair-strongly-denies-affair-Wendi-Deng-outrageous-rumours-sweep-internet-reason-Murdoch-divorce.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341825/Tony-Blair-strongly-denies-affair-Wendi-Deng-outrageous-rumours-sweep-internet-reason-Murdoch-divorce.html</a></p>
<p>Not really family values but related surely.</p>
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		<title>By: survivingbabel</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6006</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[survivingbabel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh, no, unlike myself, our children won&#039;t be able to do math and figure out that they were at our wedding :-P  She wants a few months of just being married before I make her big as a house.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, no, unlike myself, our children won&#8217;t be able to do math and figure out that they were at our wedding <img src="http://www.xenosystems.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt=":-P" class="wp-smiley" />  She wants a few months of just being married before I make her big as a house.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/family-values/#comment-6005</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[5 months to go eh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 months to go eh?</p>
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