I’d like to join you guys and I can act in capacity as “brahmin” – that is a spiritual guru to the Royal Court to ensure your rule is ethical and in keeping with the spiritual progress of your subjects.

Hare Krishna!

The argument we got here from there is rather like the 1% chance of harm means a project does not move forward rule. We all got here from somewhere, perhaps we should blame our parents and call it a day.

Moldbug as Pell noted was not intending to be a Prophet of God who’s every word must be parsed over as if UR were the Koran. Moldbug also has to perform some interesting historical gymnastics to arrive at “here” from a “there” that doesn’t lead to the wrong door, that door having more truth then General Howe being a secret collaborator of George Washington and so on. In other words no we didn’t quite get here from 1776, we don’t even begin to get here until 1933 and we really don’t begin comprehensive ruin until 1993, and Robert Rubin. Once you begin to follow that trail it leads to…the Jawas and then Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru.

The real question about Moldbug is ..why? It needed to be done, but….

The point is that I’m distressed with this fission. Certainly, it may need to come; but doesn’t it stand that our similarities in anti-demotism currently outweigh our differences in what we believe the end result should be. After all, aren’t we ALL anti-revolution?

The Poem is excellent, but I don’t think it’s saying what you’re trying to get it to say.

Indeed. Especially, this:

“Focus on innovative governmental structures, so that people won’t need to be good.”

That gets to the core of one of my major objections to the “neocameral” project: the idea that the messy problems of history and politics, and the “crooked timber of humanity”, can somehow be solved by “aligning incentives” in an engineering project (the sort of hubris only an (ex-)libertatian software engineer would dream up), and where one can deal with the failure of humans to be rational utility-maximizing homo economicus by dreaming up ridiculous technological patches like “cryptographic weapon locks”. One can no more centrally plan a governmental system, a society, or a culture than one can an economy; the idea that one can write and codify a power structure, like one writes code, is perhaps one of the more terrible delusions propagated by the American secession.

And to quote from T.S. Eliot’s “Choruses from the Rock”:
“When the Stranger says: “What is the meaning of this city ?
Do you huddle close together because you love each other?”
What will you answer? “We all dwell together
To make money from each other”? or “This is a community”?

Oh my soul, be prepared for the coming of the Stranger.
Be prepared for him who knows how to ask questions.

There is one who remembers the way to your door:
Life you may evade, but Death you shall not.
You shall not deny the Stranger.

They constantly try to escape
From the darkness outside and within
By dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good.
But the man that is shall shadow
The man that pretends to be.”