Comments on: Five Stages of HBD

By: RJ Miller

RJ Miller — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:17:09 +0000

Oh my goodness…

I feel so relieved to know that the crisis of realization I went through over the past couple years is not unique to me!

My gateway drug/red pill was “The Bell Curve,” followed by the Norwegian documentary series “Brainwash.” From there I kept finding more and more information online about the subject, and most recently I had the chance to finish a copy of “A Troublesome Inheritance.”

And recently I had the honor of getting a tweet by the Godfather himself:

https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/477463412985704449

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People in the HBD camp seem to fall into two categories:

1. Those who followed the evidence where it led and came to accept it for what it was.

2. Those who *started* with a prejudicial premise of some sort and sought anything that could possibly be used to justify it.

I will make it a part time hobby of mine to increase the number of category 1’s so something good can actually come out of this line of evidence. It looks like the easiest way to do so is to aggregate some of the scientific literature on HBD-related matters and draw attention to it to those who have no opinion on the matter.

HBD is the nuclear physics of social science. It can be used to generate better policy (public or private) or it could potentially be used for destructive purposes.

As enthusiastic as I am about HBD, I do feel a little anxious about what some elements of the blogosphere are trying to use this info for.

By: DB

DB — Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:57:34 +0000

In fairness, I’m pretty sure Scott is genuinely indifferent to hotness. (I know it’s possible, since I’m also that way. It’s well known that smart nerd girl 4s have it waaay better than other 4s because of the relative surplus of men like Scott and myself.) So he is making an honest attempt at extrapolation, it just doesn’t work because most people are wired fundamentally differently from both him and the mates he prefers.

By: Antisthenes

Antisthenes — Tue, 22 Oct 2013 05:57:48 +0000

Brb, deconstructing the covert privileging of facial symmetry in Western metaphysics. My tutorial group leader will love this.

By: spandrell

spandrell — Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:09:52 +0000

For the record, I think neocameralism is stupid, as is MA’s neomonarchism. Having an “anti-reactionary FAQ” by saying monarchism has its problems is a huge strawman.

It all falls down when he calls neoreaction “utopian”. Of course some people are, but that’s around 10% of the movement. Most people know we don’t have a good answer about how to fix the mess. But it doesn’t follow that there is no mess.

By: Thales

Thales — Tue, 22 Oct 2013 00:34:46 +0000

#bangamanatee4justice #hashtagsthatwillnevertrend

By: nydwracu

nydwracu — Tue, 22 Oct 2013 00:28:46 +0000

read: I also suspect (though I have more evidence) that it is primarily the more desirable women who have been socialized to be irrationally attracted to “bad boys”

So even if the suspicion is completely accurate, it doesn’t matter in the slightest, without the further claim that hotness is irrelevant to desirability and it’s a progressive’s moral duty to ignore game and land a 4 for justice, which no one will ever make.

By: Lesser Bull

Lesser Bull — Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:56:44 +0000

Of course that bothers me. How could it not? No, the realization that there was considerable scientific evidence for average group differences didn’t feel like a kick in the gut to me, since I hadn’t really invested a whole lot in the United Colors of Benetton anyhow.

By: admin

admin — Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:21:18 +0000

Coercive diversitocracy doesn’t bother you much? (My hackles go up like a werewolf.)

My investment is Rothbardian, i.e. defensive. Beyond specialist scientific investigation, HBD is necessitated by the race-politics onslaught from the Cathedral.

By: Rasputin's Severed Penis

Rasputin's Severed Penis — Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:36:20 +0000

“That post is the blogging equivalent of a filibuster.” Bit harsh. I think he is genuinely trying to work out a position, and, marinated in progressive ideology as he may be, some of his points e.g. problems with Neocameralism don’t stay a million miles away from some of the neoreactionary critique they have already received in these circles, which he no doubt based his own response on.

I am looking forward to MA’s full response, since much of the first part targeted him specifically. Personally I thought point 6) What if the king is an idiot or psycho? of MA’s ‘Ten Objections to Traditionalism and Monarchism, With Answers’ was wishful thinking, at best.

By: Thales

Thales — Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:09:32 +0000

"I also suspect (though I have no evidence) that it is primarily the hotter women who have been socialized to be irrationally attracted to “bad boys”..." You don't know? Shit -- I'm SOLD! I'll forget everything about framing, flipping the script, escalation and everything else that's ever landed a girl in my lap (and kept her there) even before I knew there was a word for it in favor of a party-line Proggressive guess. Honestly, the whole blog post reads that way. The objections are oblique, if not downright orthogonal. Mister Scott, if Progs were not deontologically hamstrung from exploring their own taboos, Reaction would find no purchase, would it?