Fumigation

Multi-channel clamor recently, consisting of people telling me the XS comment ecology has turned into a sewer. This claim is beyond all serious question true. Laissez-faire has failed here. Some kind of ruthless torching-out process is likely in the near future.

If anyone has practical suggestions for restoring some basic level of comment quality, please pass it on. In the absence of anything neater, I’ll probably just start brutally culling comments that seem to lower the tone — from what it was a year or two back (it’s scarcely possible to lower the tone of what it’s become).

Any response that doesn’t begin from realistic acceptance of how badly things have gone to shit will be laughed at, then ignored. Please be my guest and try it though, just for the entertainment value.

No plans to make the purge retrospective. The current dismal state of commentary will be preserved as a monument to the workings of entropy, and a lesson to anyone extravagantly confident about the working of spontaneous order in micro-scale cultural institutions.

Yes, there’s been plenty of entropy on the posting side too. (That strikes me as an at least partially-separable issue.)

Currently, I’ve merely ceased to salvage anything from the spam queue unless it adds quality. Don’t bother complaining about missing comments. That’s scarcely started.

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  • Lucian Says:

    I’ll plead guilty to having contributed to the vulgarisation of the comments section here in the past, although to be fair I’ve had a read-only commitment to NRx in the past year or so. Although I maintain that the black humour of /pol/ remains the most fertile component of the far-right, and that even the more genteel of far right participants should (if perversely) respect the value of /pol/ for this reason, I consider (as others should) that treating all online forums in the same way as /pol/ has rapidly diminishing returns.

    My recommendation is to brutally apply the meat-axe to the especially trollish posters, particularly out and out schizophrenics like colleen ryan/Michael.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Perhaps this comment is indicative of a broader political tendency.

    I’ve had productive or at least informative conversations with Collen, albeit fairly one-sided ones.

    But how would ‘cutting him off’ make this thread .005 percent better?

    If anything, it’s just a tacit endorsement of his own aims, which are depopulation.

    I don’t agree with him – and his ‘but my white people!’ sounds a lot like ‘but the proletariat!” – but his is rational (rationality being a relative term) and deserves to be debated, not ganged up upon by those unmanned by his presence.

    What I wish is Land would come down from the celestials and explain exactly what is templexity.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    his own aim, which is depopulation..

    bad grammar, fuck

    time for bed

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    White as a colour certainly is not associated with the proletariat historically. From India to Russia it has meant civilization in working with Red. Hierophants with royal.

    The only thing one can properly do is to rep the truth.

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  • Marco Says:

    Phew, thank god I`m not crazy.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    Zeroth, a sewer order is still an order. First, I still object to pegging size as the cause of the issues.

    Comment sections have no negative feedback. Commentariat neither engage in stupidity shaming, nor have functionally-destructive downvotes. There is only the positive feedback of attention. Or rather, there’s the positive feedback of delusions of attention and impact, meaning a standard comment box rewards primarily the delusional, and secondarily the starved-for-attention.

    I’ve often wondered if a scaled-downvote system could work with a suitable founder population. Scale the downvotes based on the cumulative upvotes of the downvoter, in an attempt to mimic a market system. Obviously it couldn’t work if used on the general population, as it’s already proven beyond doubt that popular = stupid. I can’t immediately see any reason it wouldn’t work, but emphasis on ‘immediately.’ Perhaps the ultimately futile nature of the comment box would be a key factor. Yes, you can vie for having great downvote power. To what purpose? Who, aside from the comments you downvote, actually cares?

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    admin Reply:

    Your attention to screwy feedback structures seems sensible, but that’s exactly what the scale issue comes down to. It’s hard to maintain a robust eco-system in a milk-bottle. Expect domination by a few simple species, choking out all biodiversity and complex dynamics.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    I don’t know about you, but what I want is novel and true thoughts. Secondarily, novel thoughts that provoke true thoughts.
    Keeping that system in a milk-bottle should be fine, again as long as there’s some sort of negative feedback, and the founder population is into novel and true thoughts. That said, I’m aware you’re not likely to bolt devices onto the comment box. Further, stupidity-shaming is not likely to suddenly come into vogue. Hence, your options are draconian moderation, or tyrannical moderation.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    Spontaneous order is based on decentralization, micro-policing if you will, not on no policing. So, everybody policing his own blog = spontaneous order, federal agency for blog comments = planned order. No order is just no order.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Spontaneous order is based on decentralization, micro-policing if you will, not on no policing. So, everybody policing his own blog = spontaneous order, federal agency for blog comments = planned order. No order is just no order.

    Exactly.

    There’s nothing I would police as much as my own comment section. It reflects back on one.

    Just like who you let in your house.

    Land’s confusing of spontaneous order with anarchism shows his anarchism.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Altho I gotta say Mr. Giuliano makes a convincing case. Is proper anarchism love?

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Thinking about it, love is ordered. Love is order.

    Again, anarchy amounts to chaos.

    Chaos is crisis. Loss.

    < Restore

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Order has pre-order whose name is anarchism. 😜

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “Order has pre-order whose name is anarchism.”

    Hahaha. Nope. There is ordering.

    Chaos is subservient

    to Zeus

    collen ryan Reply:

    Expect that in the real world too Nick, -or do you intend to keep reaction in innerspace upload yourself and all? You see we exited and the niggers followed, rinse and repeat. you want me gone just kill me there is no exit the zombies need human flesh.

    metaphorically kill me of course.
    You needn’t electronically disappeared me, I know that would be hard for your anglo sense of fair play. Just ask and i will go because we share enough genetically derived culture I understand wanting to maintain the fair play standard, thats one of my points about capitalism v culture.. But just be conscious the next troll may not be your cuz and you will have to admit you cant exit if you are not prepared to war to maintain your ext. we yanks did.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQ2t_yNHQs

    Oats Studios – Volume 1 – Rakka

    Neill Blomkamp

    something we can agree on theres other shorts too

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    AMK Reply:

    I screen every single one of my 3 or 4 comments per article and have ZERO rude comments

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    downvotes won’t deter trolls, who feed off negative attention

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Hence functionally-destructive.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    There’s already a script being passed around to hide comments from certain posters. Why not make that a publicly available resource here? Even to be improved upon Open Source or for low fees by Indian programmers.

    Land could also have a script queue Michael Collen’s so they appear only at certain times so as to minimize his occupation of the RSS feed and comments list.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    Mr. Land, you are brilliant. I’m fairly new to your work. I learn from you. But this is a little megalomaniac, no?

    This place is a coffee house. You are the coffee and we are the patrons; some of us smell bad, but hey you moved into the neighborhood, all the commenters do is add to the shabby decor and give the joint its local color.

    Are you going to make explicit the standard for acceptability – what exactly we should think and say or shouldn’t?

    I’d love to see you dismantle some of these ‘shit-posters’ in a comment or two. That would be ILLUSTRATIVE.

    It’s difficult to know exactly your position on any one topic is due to the archival nature of your intellectual corpus, but the internet gives you a rare opportunity to give us just that.

    I know you are probably sick of the classroom, but do you see no pedagogic element in what you do on this website?

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    admin Reply:

    “… hey you moved into the neighborhood”
    — How does that work?

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    All I mean to say is that everybody is here for you. Even if it’s to refute you.

    I sent you an email a year ago, in mock- progressive rage: “How can you have people like this on your site? Please explain this anomaly.” I sensed you were perturbed by it.

    But censorship is a cheap revolution. Don’t go Tipper Gore.

    You asked for a practical suggestion, here it is..

    Stage one debate post.

    Call it ‘The Negentropic Accelerator’ or whatever..

    Give Collen and Wagner and Claire Colebrook and many others a chance to present arguments to you, against you, beside you.

    Reply to them, in a manner that is convenient for you of course, but reply to all comments.

    The magical effects produced by ‘The Negentropic Accelerator’ include:

    automatically elevating the tenor of the comment section beyond anything it’s ever been due to the introduction of the Socratic method to an otherwise proscenium stage of a website!

    Love you. 🙂

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    Seer Reply:

    “…Collen and Wagner and Claire Colebrook…”

    There’s the problem right there. Add “Rohme Giuliano” to the list, and it’s complete.

    The best way to proceed would be to remove idiots and psychopaths. Not to humor them. Let them howl and gibber somewhere else.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    I singled them out because they’re likely candidates for censorship.

    You can ask questions or share ideas in this hypothetical debate too.

    Unless you have no questions or no ideas. In which case, why are you here?

    Mara Reply:

    “The best way to proceed would be to remove idiots and psychopaths.”

    You belong to the latter group yourself, Seer. You cast aspersions on other commenters both here and in other blogs, never substantiating your insinuations with any concrete evidence – all sophistry. How lawyerly.

    It’s people whose sole “contribution”, thread after thread, is bringing down other commenters who should be removed, because otherwise all the quality people leave — recall what happened to Bryce Laliberte, for instance — while anyone left are those for whom wallowing in filth is an indulgence.

    You can recognize these people with no trouble, since they usually come around and spread false allegations that can easily be refuted by simply following the convo closely.

    In this instance, Rohme made some decent posts, suggesting that censorship may not be the ideal strategy. You can disagree with this position, as I do, but it’s well argued. Seer, as usual, comes out of the blue and suggests censoring Rohme himself. (He follows the same modus operandi on Jim’s blog, deliberately singling out good commenters and attempting Alinsky’s psychopathic “twelfth rule” against them) So, it’s pretty clear which one of them is the psychopath who deserves removal from this website and from other NRx websites.

    Another example is this:

    https://blog.jim.com/culture/the-trump-aesthetic/#comment-1588298

    Anyone who has been following the convo up-close can see through Seer’s lies. It’s the same modus operandi of disingenuous insinuations or outright false allegations thrown preemptively against the target (the troll being himself obviously guilty of his own accusations, so he makes sure to “punch first” – brilliant, but not conducive to good-faith argument. A psychopath calling others “psychopaths” without providing evidence, while there is clear evidence for his own psychopathy – not good for the blog!), where the target has to take the time to defend himself against cleverly-worded bullshit and perhaps point out the troll’s glaring hypocrisy while the weaselly troll concocts some more disingenuous, false aspersions to throw around before leaving.

    So, my suggestion for maintaining comment quality is to not allow making false insinuations about other commenters or fellow bloggers who are on the same side. When people are offended by false aspersions, they leave, as Bryce, Hurlock, Handle, Radish, and even Anissimov can attest.

    Criticism is one thing, but criticism of the “this person is X” variety, where the person making the accusation is not only a disingenuous liar whose zero-substance lies are easily refuted, but is guilty of X himself, should not be tolerated. Since it was tolerated, a bunch of trolls made the entirety of NRx ragequit. Take heed.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Mara I don’t recall seeing you here much before. Good contribution. Level headed. We won’t have trolls ruin our fair (N)Ousgard.

    Send them to me. I’ll whip them. A new One.

    Post Alley Crackpot Reply:

    The everyday commenters give you the business, but it’s the trolls who show you how much you’re wanted …

    This might be the community coffee house, but there’s a crack house in the back.

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  • glass of juice Says:

    Your comment section is vastly inferior to what it was 3 years ago, because NRx itself is vastly inferior to what it was 3 years ago – many key figures have left, and the ones who remained are either low-quality, or have had their minds messed up by the alt-right.

    It seems the regulars from back in the day aren’t here anymore. Perhaps they’re busy IRL or something. Whatever the case, the ‘movement’ has become boring, has been boring for years, and it’s probably hopeless.

    Factors such as the rise of Nazism ironic and unironic, the rise of the extremely socially conservative alt-right (NRx was not supposed to be socially conservative – does anyone even remember that?), and the rise of Trump, together with “troll culture” in general and specifically the trollocide NRx has went through, have sapped all the energy from the once effervescent Neoreactosphere.

    If everyone else has moved on, perhaps you should too.

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    admin Reply:

    This is highly convincing (unfortunately).

    There’s a degree to which NRx is in aestivation, this blog especially, while the Alt-Right mania burns itself out. Still, subtle murmurous dreams would adorn the flat-line better than jagged scatological nightmares.

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    Post Alley Crackpot Reply:

    This implies that anything we can do to help the mania burn out would be vastly preferred to long periods of avoidable slumber …

    Any suggestions as to how we can help bury it instead of mourning it would be useful not only as some form of improvement, but also as a means toward talking a way out of the core problems.

    As for nightmares, the proper mode for NRx has been to ensure that they are gifts that keep giving for others, and I wonder why this has somehow been forgotten.

    Perhaps it is time to imagine what The Great Filter has to say about this mania, and how its tentacles will violate this shabby consensus.

    TL;DR version: less coping-in-place, more abstract horror, plz.

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    ghostlike Reply:

    Nobody can produce good material every day and truly noteworthy thoughts require significant investment of time to be cultivated though we’d like to pretend it were not so. Looking at it with a longer term view, a certain system working well has a tendency of fooling its users that it will be robust regardless of circumstance, always leading to surprise and dismay when the circumstances shift.

    A blog’s comment section is hardly an exception to the general flow of things.

    I agree with you on NRx being in aestivation – unlike the standard right-wing material which led me to this dark corner of the Internet, I’ve yet to see NRx deliver on its temptation of true insight and deep connection to reality. It is kind of like a swing that refuses to draw blood – it is quite frustrating.

    But I do have faith in it; the other outlets have settled into their place and are very unlikely to produce any kind of breakthrough novel thought. So by elimination, further insights will have to come from this direction. It won’t be easy or quick; that is the nature of this kind of work.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    alt-right and NRx agree on most stuff. that is good enough

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Most trivial things, and disagree on the one important thing: demotism. They agree to eat organic but the alt-right thinks the plutonium in the water supply is just fine.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    If you cannot fix it then exit it. Try to go and live in some nicest places of the world, there is everywhere some sort of trauma comming attached. That is why I like India compared to any other place.

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  • Reactionary Expat Says:

    At least enforce paragraphing requirements. Then work on people who do not follow conventions with regard to capital letters and so on. It’s a really low hurdle for people, but it would improve things dramatically.

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    admin Reply:

    That sounds as if it’s aimed at one particular individual.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    There’s very little overlap between folk who can’t into syntax and folk who have novel thoughts.There’s someone on another blog I follow that doesn’t think periods need spaces after them.It’s very irritating.They too aren’t insightful enough for the irritation to be worthwhile.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    brave

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    Kazundo Mendoza Reply:

    Oh would I love to hear a chat between Mr. Land and Mr. Reactionary Expat.

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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    just get rid of comments or put a character restriction. for whatever reason ,especially on WordPress sites, people see the comments as an invitation to turn the blog into a personal soapbox . A restriction on post length will solve this

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  • SVErshov Says:

    Archive it.

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  • rucoi Says:

    Hat’s off to Erebus for remaining consistent and serving as a constant reminder of what the comments section once was. If only the rabble were half as erudite and mindful of decorum.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    you would make an excellent comments mod

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  • ArchonAlarion Says:

    Thank you, I particularly dislike the off-topic schizo comments. The comments should always be relatively on-topic and comprehensibly so.

    You should also bring back the chaos-patch. Those threads could be less moderated.

    As for the state of the wider community and the direction it should take, I am more and more recognizing Reactionary Future as having the right ideas, as much as I initially disliked him. Techno-commercialism is not so much a destination as it is a possible tribulation. His research is progressing into interesting new territory and I feel stimulated arguing/conversing with him whereas here just feels like I am going over old, infertile terrain. I am not sure any fundamental pivot would be possible for you, although maybe you are more flexible than most public ideologues get as they mature. But you should be warned as to why there may be a brain-drain (excluding my dumb ass of course) from your tech-comm interpretation of NRx to his absolutist one. I think he killed Mises and Hayek for me, which is saying something. The whole of liberalism and all its off-shoots, by-products, and ugly step-children really reek.

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    Erebus Reply:

    >I particularly dislike the off-topic schizo comments. The comments should always be relatively on-topic and comprehensibly so.

    Seconded. Yeah, those are terrible. I would just add that, even when on-topic, Michael/Colleen is annoying and his comments are unreadable. (Or are, at any rate, invariably not worth taking the time and effort to decipher.) I find this place a lot better when I remember to totally ignore him. So enforcing basic paragraphing requirements, as was mentioned above, would indeed improve things dramatically — especially in conjunction with an on-topic rule.

    >You should also bring back the chaos-patch. Those threads could be less moderated.

    Also agreed. I miss the chaos-patch.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    When i add more detail you complain im long winded. I freely admit I have mot the education and possibly even the intellect to write a defense of my ideas as well as many of you.
    I do think i have been clear enough for anyone seriously wanting to think about them.

    One of those ideas is that reaction has an elitist bent that is not only reminiscent of the cathedral its destined to IQ signal spiral all the way to a landian antihumanism. I find that to be internally inconsistent to the plain understanding of reaction.

    Please spare me the hierarchy snark, no ones against hierarchy. So my paltry IQ is 130, where exactly does reaction start 145? and why are the 160s satisfied with this demotic reaction?

    No Erebus you just want to keep the moldbug decoder ring special.And you know what Maybe I dont qualify for your club but i have always qualified for other elite spaces Im inclined to hierarchy if you could demonstrate your little club could actually exit could actually stand alone and not be swamped by the likes of me, or vote your island into extinction by yourselves id be the first to smash a bottle of champagne on your spacecraft and wish you a bon voyage. but youre not going anywhere youre just a self congratulatory club.

    The plain truth its guys like you that got us in this mess not guys like the demotic proles proles I work with and you blame for your woes. And you’ll be lucky and get to live if guys like me intervene in this war of the nerds. and when it happens we are probably going to stuff you back in lockers where you belong.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    >The whole of liberalism and all its off-shoots, by-products, and ugly step-children really reek.

    Yeah, especially absolutism, liberalism’s firstborn.
    Ah, but let’s count history from the Glorious Revolution on and ignore everything that happened before, shall we?

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    >Ah, but let’s count history from the Glorious Revolution on and ignore everything that happened before, shall we?

    And even in Glorious Revolution, was not king the one who wanted to issue the edict of tolerance? Gee, such willful ignorance… absolutists deserve to be flayed alive.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    yeah lets ignore the temporal and spatial peaks of western civilization correlate so well with reversion to democracy. Lets ignore the fact that the highest civilization is the only civilization that does democracy. lets blame the calvinists for the fall of rome and greece and byzantium and russia and the british and austro hungarian empire. what about all those calvinist commies in france?

    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    Pre-absolutist regimes weren’t democratic. What ReactionaryFnargl is doing is using half-truths, malicious misrepresentations, and outright lies to push an agenda. His agenda appears to be a Western brand of Juche, and is thus worse than even the Progressives.

    ArchonAlarion Reply:

    Idk, I am still trying to figure it out. Often he does seem to exaggerate and he makes frequent use of the genetic fallacy. But increasingly I feel like I am just giving Mises et al an honorable post-mortem, but the big picture is that so much of their work is fruitless.

    Recently, RF has been working on the history of the corporation. Although he of course weaves his venomous anti-liberalism throughout, I think that the discussion is going in a right direction.

    I think my problem and those of us on RF’s periphery is that intuitively, the concepts of praxeology, “spontaneous order”, and the economic calculation problem make sense. Given biological evolution, there is an obvious analogy to be made (that was made from the beginning) that the market is self-ordering like evolution is. This idea is too potent for me to fully let go of, and RF has not convinced me otherwise, even if he raises problems in the details. Then again, he is reluctant to provide any details himself on the economic system he is imagining for his absolutist state, so I’m not sure if he accepts the market to an extent that would satisfy me.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Rhome HBD is simple, we are different, we are in competition, one difference is whites are more open and that only helped us when relatively isolated. The culture we developed that served so well is morbid if we are not an ethno state.
    Everyone gets we are dragged down by third world immigration but we are also being exploited by jews above, But this is going to be an even bigger problem when the more numerous asians begin to colonize us.
    I dont really see it as a communism socialism problem anymore, you can recover from full blown communism in a decade or two, you never recover from demography.Not only are jews and asians part of our demographic replacement they use third worlders as proxy armies to trianguulate.Its very profitable to be intellectually superior to a host population its kind of the modern version of having horses and iron when the people you invade dont. Much easier than building your own nation only slightly more sustainable.

    yeah sure jews invented communism and were largely responsible for using it and its intellectual descendents to pwn goodwhite leftism for morbid aims. but thats hardly todays problem. Today jews are more likely to use capitalism for the same purposes, in fact they used capitalism to promote communism.

    The problem is not even jews or capitalism or communism or democracy its competition. Admitting we are in a competition is the taboo.Now if land simply wanted the highest IQ people to win, then i suppose he should decide that we are at the end of evolution and declare jews the winners and kill himself. Which is pretty much what is techno capitalist anti human accelerationism is saying.

    I think thats cheating evolution, as long as Im alive i think i owe me, my people,and the human race, my best effort to win. I dont really think jews or east asians have proved they deserve the title, actually I think the antisemites are not too far off the mark to characterize their strategy as parasitic. I really think rid of the invisible parasite that causes so many illnesses we cant figure out what is wrong with us we will thrive. I get that if we dont figure this out I was wrong, and I wont be here to find out if jews or east asian out survive niggers paperclippers and cockroaches. History gives me reason to be hopeful I will or at leat my children will be here to claim the universe.

    your moral qualms i find stupid. philosophers and other leftists were correct, there is no objective anything – except for this. to survive and multiply the closest copy of yourself possible, by any means necessary , that is the whole of the law. praise gnon

    Obviously communism and progressivism is also a form of parasitism and cant be tolerated but I think capitalism has to be subordinated to the nations goals.I certainly dont mean this in any socialist sense nationalist or otherwise. I simply mean we of the right are so protective of capitalism from the communism days we have forgotten and or choose to see its destructive side. yes sure theres good in that everything in moderation.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    The whole of the Law is appearance; that things are exactly what they seem.

    The IQ gap measurement is an explicandum. As such, it is a political litmus test.

    Nationality is a good metaphor but not a perfect one for a race-defined-as-ancestry construction.

    Racial isolation would not extinguish tribalism and intra-racial conflict. Since there is only competition, it is competition all the way down.

    Jews are a convenient obstacle for this impossible fantasy of THE ONE.

    That you’re animated by a fantasy is not exceptional. We all are.

    I read enough to know that if you read someone’s autobiography it ends in tragedy.

    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    It isn’t genetic fallacy (which he does do, alot, but rather selectively, because all his theory is based around classial liberal thinkers like de Jouvenel), it’s Insane Troll Logic through and through. So what if Locke was a filthy propagandist? Before that liberals were propagandists for monarchs, and when employer changed so did the propaganda. And how does the fact that “religious wars” were in fact wars of power-hungry maniancs (in whose employ were liberal intellectuals who elevated them to sovereigns of the states and protectors of public interest from depredations of “religion”) who invented new religions so that they could rob the churches and plunder the monasteries speak IN FAVOR of said power-hungry maniancs?

    Yeah Mises and Hayek were 100% wrong on political philosophy. How does that make their economics wrong? And if the end goal of reaction is Juche, why is there the need for reaction anyway? That’s already where we are heading.

    Of course, we can also ask practical questions. Like why was republican Genoa better run and longer lasting (792 years) than absolutist France (130 years)? Reducing the problem of government to mere structural problem is pure economism. Making Soros into the emperor the Earth would not make him not-Soros. It would only make him able to afflict that much more harm.

    _ Reply:

    Often he does seem to exaggerate and he makes frequent use of the genetic fallacy. But increasingly…

    It sounds like you’re experiencing value drift because of what content you consume.

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  • Kgaard Says:

    Hate to say it Nick but I checked out a while ago … Blogging is Darwinian … only the cutting edge is gonna attract the best commenters. I’ve been following Curt Doolittle and focusing my energies there. Jim is pretty cutting edge, as well as Sailer. Social Matter is good stuff. Maybe the purpose of this blog has been achieved and it’s time to put it to rest?

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    I’ve been enjoying the free time I’ve recovered by not having any reliably interesting blog comments to read. Sailer’s posts are good, but his commenters aren’t. As for Doolittle, can’t stand him.

    I miss Nick’s posts, but I’m liking the Jacobian format. Having a formal mag and peers encourages him to add the extra polish and the resulting pieces are linkable even to people who aren’t in the Nick Land fan club like I am.

    If this were my parlor, I’d just try a wave of 80/20 bans and see if some life creeps back in. But I’m pretty sure that I won’t be contributing time or energy here any more, no matter what happens.

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    Kgaard Reply:

    Jacobian … I’ve seen that name but hadn’t associated it with Nick. Will check out … I guess that is where the energy has gone. Why don’t you like Curt? I think he’s really put the pieces together on a lot of stuff.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    Ooops: Jacobite

    https://jacobitemag.com/

    Jacobian is almost the polar opposite extreme of Jacobite.

    Land’s essays are the best ones in the mag, but some of the others are good as well.

    Kgaard Reply:

    Kwisatz — Yeah … that mag looks great. Frustrated that I hadn’t found it before. That is the answer to where Nick has gone ha ha. Have put it in my feed.

    collen ryan Reply:

    JIms been arguing for child rape all week so yeah I guess thats cutting edge. Of course last month he was argiung you cant rape a woman since theyre not humans and are whores anyway- but thanks for reminding me where reactions heading.And if anyone doubts this ide be glad to cut and paste his repeated comments on his personal experience with 10 and 12 year old girls sexual come ons to him accompanied by naked pictures of ten year old girls and asking us if we seriously dont find them attractive.i gave him a dozen invitations to backout of this position and admit he was being bombastic but he wouldnt just kept amplifying and insisting im a cucked white knight or something hes down to a fan club of three its sad over there too. It might just be tme to close reaction up

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    Kgaard Reply:

    Collen … I’ve read Jim for a long time and I’ve never seen him argue for child rape though I understand where you are going with your argument. I think you’re misreading what he’s doing there, but don’t question that you had the exchange with him that you did.

    Now … regarding your longer note … good god … I mean yeah there are some good ideas in there but the construction is horrific. You can’t win an argument if you are just throwing handfuls of spaghetti against the wall. Your writing leaves my mind jangled. Sorry.

    Back on Jim … the value of his writing is in the particular insights he generates. Each piece is centered on an insight that is (say 65% of the time) absolute gold. Completely new. The guy is like Neil Young in that he comes up with things that are so out in left field that they are utterly new additions to the existing body of thought and work.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    It probably will come as no surprise Jim was one of my favorite reactionaries, I get the celtic exaggeration and theatre. I have been trying for sometime to get him to see what he sounds like Im the most misogynistic person i ever met and there i find myself revulsed. I like women and I have daughters I have been saying women shouldnt have the vote or total autonomy since the 70s and getting laid for saying t. but Jim I think has had a mental break or theres a side i never noticed. Im done with jim. If it matters what a famous reactionary writes them you list serve guys might want to have a look and have a talk

    grey enlightenment Reply:

    the hegelian idealism gets tiresome sometimes

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Im not trolling except when I get trolled Im here because i prefer it to altright but I think reaction needs to face certain realities. Its pretty clear thats probably not going to happen and Im probably not the guy to do it. I think you could have preserved your safe space easily by stooping to address some of my own and others criticism of nrx or asked us to leave.

    monarchy or giving capitalists control of western nations is absurd, capitalism is great for some things if directed it does not spontaneously produce wisdom. It is not inherently “right” It is not intelligent rather singlemindedly directed at short term profit.Land is correct its anti human, unless harnessed somehow by humans to work for humans interests left or right.

    Blaming wasps not jews for the cathedral is ridiculous if brilliant idea.Jews demonstrably built the cathedral and run it. To be a philosophy founded on HBD ( and critiques of democracy are at root HBD arguments) and ignore the most important HBD issue of the west, the occupation by the west of an alien people, is as absurd

    doing nothing is not going to get you power, the cathedral is not going to collapse its going to be overthrown, Or its going to totally enslave the world. you need practical ideas if you want to participate, reaction is either mesmerized by moldbugs do nothing instruction, or is comprised of the type of men who are not men of action.

    the sort of tech that can replace politics is probably 100 years away, in the meantime do what you can, but capitalism needs to be subordinated to culture.the hierarchy is DNA, CULTURE, everything else.

    anti humanism has no place in anything purporting to be reactionary restorations conservative. and yes reaction claimed to be conservative to some extent that moldbug thought sanfrancisco today was his ideal patch didnt prevent a lot of HRX arising from his thoughts.

    Just because you dont like the kind of people that are alt right doesnt mean they are fundamentally correct, ethno states are the best model until human DNA can be overwritten safely. High IQ signalling spirals do indeed lead to land antihumanism, An ethnic nation is a biological construct all of its parts are necessary for its survival though it can certainly work out.

    There is no exit, sorry thats the goal of the cathedral no exit from brooklyn. Theres still some voice alt right trump brexit even nrx are not nothing even if they cant change enough through polls they may inspire enough decent for a successful war and war. war is exit of a sort.

    reaction ought to be planning a war you ought to be the NSA of the right instead your the NRO of the right, and moldbug is your reagan that you cant move beyond.

    its hard to really see how some version of reaction differ from the cathedral, it really seems like just another high IQ utopianists wanting to use capital to institute a system that differs little from Davos

    Democracy is not seriously examined, moldbugs assertions are swallowed whole, even though his cathedral analogy argues democracy is neutralized democracy is still the threat. even though western whites consistently vote against the left and are overridden by the cathedral, the people are thought to be the crux of the problem.HBD seems to argue euros have a propensity for republicanism and any patch lord or monarch is going to face the same bureaucratic obstacles as the cathedral.non of this is discussed.its all just bobbleheaded muh lord moldbug said

    well Im sure Ive had more criticism its clear you are not interested even enough to correct me on y stupid errors.

    generally in case you feel the problem goes beyond me and my bad writing. I think theres a few other problems

    nick attracts accelerationism who are not reactionaries. reactionaries that are not anti humanists and nick doesnt really want to look to hard at the conflicts. This is exacerbated by the fact that there are a lot of “reactionaries” that are new and did not read all the things and blogs many of us did years ago. So while at one point the common culture allowed a certain more topical understanding reinforced by other bloggers of the topics nick was interested in generally reaction has not hovered over that space time, from some perspective one ould lament the vulgarization of reaction its also worth noting they have internalized much reaction memes in the alt right, yeah culture over construct.Also nick is a tease, he like to regularly throw red meat then feign indignation that its torn apart with bare teeth.Its an aesthetic of reaction it was in fact a conscious choice when nick wrote more he wrote opaquely like the marxist professor he is. but he writes less now here and the cue is gone and newbies write as they do in normal life. personally I didnt like deconstruct speak I liked the idea that reaction name things honestly so i reacted to that and the increasing piety around here with the word nigger. well the impiety around here and my lived experience of the black man in brooklyn new york.

    so Im fine if you want to vote me off the island its pretty clear no one here is ever going to give me a serious engagement on my criticism of nrx, Youre wrong I was trolling Im here because I thought this was the place things might happen.But now Im increasingly doubtful NRX is going anywhere. The alt right (whatever that means) seems to get that it must build a counter culture and its own institutions. It gets the JQ, seems to be skeptical yet not hostile to capitalism and decreasingly fetishizes monarchy and authoritarianism, never was elitist in the bad sense.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Land, please have the chutzpah to reply to this. If only for my own edification.

    I don’t see how HBDism cannot lead to this ideological position. I don’t understand your ‘benign racism’. Admittedly, I’m not well-versed in HBD. But I would be if I could see some disarticulation of your thoughts regarding HBD contra Collen’s.

    Other commenters are welcome to respond to my query on Land’s behalf as well.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I can reply for myself that I went from a socially liberal benign race realist to a person who harps on about the joos and niggers when I realized I was no longer dealing from a position of strength and inevitable white privilege (earned social trust) that the problem was in fact existential in a short time frame. As I thought about this more I realized actually hating nggers and jews was silly they are just trying to survive and taking over my world is a great strategy for them and always would be because our evolutionary path had made that so. Multiculturalism for whites is simply impossible, furthermore we dont need it one bit, and its almost inevitable we are going to come to this conclusion hopefully in time. The idea that this means the fourth reich is an absurd jewish meme, most nations have always lived thus thats why we can intelligently talk about an ethno state.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    Land and his commentariat have not avoided the JQ or HBD issues. Never have. What you want, and have insisted on with every goddamned post, is to monopolize the conversation and turn it toward your pet issues. That urge is a classic hallmark of low breeding and poor taste, and the fastest way to kill a good time.

    Your “criticism” amounts to: “I want you to talk about the issues that I care most about, to the exclusion of all other issues, on my own time table, and in my own terms. If you don’t do this, exactly as I insist, it’s proof that you’re stupid, willfully blind, or (((one of them))), and I reserve the right to desecrate every single sentence of thought that doesn’t interest me, until you comply.”

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    For purposes of clarity, please write the name of whom you are addressing when you are addressing them.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    The guy I replied to. collen / michael

    collen ryan Reply:

    @collen ryan
    Rhome

    “Kwisatz, what I’ve seen is people attacking Collen’s syntax or fanaticism as a rhetorical strategy to avoid of formal riposte of the meet and potatoes of his argument”

    -Thanks for that glad at least one college boy admits Im not a total idiot.They do make me wonder though, I know im not the smartest guy in this room but my experience has been smart people are often idiots myself included.And though Im not educated I know what my IQ is.They seem to miss my constant reminder that the cathedral is the smartest people in the world.

    “Collen,

    Even though this is ridiculous, for the sake of argument, can you please format a brief summation of your thought using correct paragraphing, word spacing, punctuation and spelling, so as to give your detractors no leeway in issue-avoidance, and hopefully lead this conversation toward constructive rebuttals on the intellectual core of reaction?”

    -Well i have in fact tried that Colleen was at first an attempt to start over with more attention to writing, admittedly shes reverted to michaels eighth grade writing but dont think thats really the problem.I think erubious is full of shit he knows what im saying they all do they dont want to engage it, They could engage it among themselves while ignoring me if they wanted.
    I used to think maybe i missed something in moldbug and re read him and all the rest, but no its willful blindness which is pretty ironic. In fairness they too have come to the conclusion you have.

    Collen,

    “I’m afraid you may be right. I suspect reaction’s empiricism and representationalism logically ends at your position.

    If so, I want no part of reaction. I will stick around Deterritorial Invesigations, Social Ecologies, UFblog, and avoid this blog and deluded clientele like the plague.”

    As i sad Im afraid it does logically end there and for all their bragging about being dark edgelords facing the Horror they cant face quite a lot. losing the jews is certainly a bitter red pill.

    If you really have a solution you should tell them tell me there seems to be this confusion that if one accepts a truth one must like a truth, I dont even like admitting the niggers have to go, but they do unless you can explain why they dont.You know ethnonationalism doesnt have to be so terrible even the transition could be done without war. Its really just 1910 reboot.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Its true he doesn tease with the JQ then feigns repugnance that it got too real, frankly until very recently it was the least of my concerns with landian nrx, and Im not aware of any replies about the other topics.But you know now the JQ I have realized is central I have to ask where is is really said anything other than yeah theres a question but we wouldnt want to offend anyone by getting too specific. The only specif thing Ive ever read on here was your admission that you are raising you children non jewish. Because Kwiz thats the crux of the question outside of the nazi paradigm what do we do with the kwizs, BUt its complicated because despite deciding to not pass your jewish identity to your kids and that being probably impossible, it came tolight in our conversations that you dont really believe its a legitimate criticism you pointed me to le Grifffes explanation that it can all be accounted for by IQ.I wont get into it here but even if la griffes math is correct it doesnt answer a tenth of the problem.Its simply intolerable to have another peole rule white men, and its not plausable to say jews are white men they may have aquired their power and wealth without breaking any laws or holding secret meetings but their IQ didnt force them to use that wealth and power against whites, it doesnt matte that many of them didnt understand what they were doing enough jews are intelligent enough they knew and most should have been able to see whats so plain. so here we have you an ostensibly model reactionary genius jew but you cant admit what as plain as day. and object to discussion of it as stupid and lowbrow, but nothing could be more central to the business of reaction which ought to be what to do about the decline of western civilization and its people. well the altright might be stupid but calling the cathedral the synagogue is pretty fucking a no brainer,unfortunately moldbug was jewish and like you well meaning he too is blind.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    To you, the JQ is “central” and the “crux”. It’s the only thing you know how to talk about, the only thing you want to talk about, and therefore, because you are an insufferable boor, you’re trying to make it the only thing that anyone who comes here is allowed to talk about.

    That’s the problem with comment quality in this erstwhile forum. Not the JQ, not Land, not me.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Kwisatz, what I’ve seen is people attacking Collen’s syntax or fanaticism as a rhetorical strategy to avoid of formal riposte of the meet and potatoes of his argument.

    I could argue with Collen from a position of Leftism, using historical materialism to make an argument, but who would want to hear that here?

    What I’d like to see is a neoreactionary debating a neoreactionary, in their language, using their shared epistemic resources, with Collen has demonstrated within his mangled prose perfectly capable to do.

    What I suspect, and is being implicitly affirmed by Land’s silence toward debate and his impulse for censorship, is that Collen is the real end of the dark alley of Land’s thought.

    Unconditional Acceleration and neoreaction/Dark Enlightenment are not cohering into a single intelligible perspective for me. As thinking-appartartuses they seem to be pulling each other apart by the seems.

    Erebus Reply:

    >”Kwisatz, what I’ve seen is people attacking Collen’s syntax or fanaticism as a rhetorical strategy to avoid of formal riposte of the meet and potatoes of his argument.”

    Nonsense.

    Colleen’s long post above is 959 words. Let that sink in for a moment. Moreover, it’s not coherent — it takes significant mental effort to attempt to decipher his point. Who on Earth has the patience to deal with that? It would take a saint.

    As the Master once said: “every true thinker endeavours to express his thoughts as purely, clearly, definitely, and concisely as ever possible. […] Style is merely the silhouette of thought; and to write in a vague or bad style means a stupid or confused mind.”

    I think that Michael’s arguments can be rejected on their face, until they’re presented in a manner fit for consumption. Besides, he strikes me as incoherent — and, indeed, stupid and confused.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Collen,

    Even though this is ridiculous, for the sake of argument, can you please format a brief summation of your thought using correct paragraphing, word spacing, punctuation and spelling, so as to give your detractors no leeway in issue-avoidance, and hopefully lead this conversation toward constructive rebuttals on the intellectual core of reaction?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Is benign racism really just multiculturalism?

    I want clarifications of terms.

    I’m here to learn. Not trying to swing my dick at all.

    Erebus Reply:

    @Rohme Giuliano

    Ridiculous? See above, where he admits that he is incapable of doing what you ask. So it’s not ridiculous after all, is it? Nobody should be expected to engage with a person who cannot summon the barest modicum of clarity of thought. In all honesty, I would expect more of a small child. Michael is so inferior that it’s frankly impossible to take him seriously.

    …There’s an old saying. “Never wrestle with a pig. You’ll both get dirty, and the pig likes it.” It fits this case very well.

    Let me ask you something. Do you see anything in Michael’s oeuvre that’s worth responding to? Can you summarize his core position clearly, and do you think it truly has merit? If not, why bother defending him so vigorously? Is it because you’re a leftist, and you like to see us look stupid?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Erebus,

    To rehabilitate my leftism, regarding politics, I follow psychoanalytic theory. Politics, being first located in the Real, is something that disturbs the society/individual. This Real, unable to be articulated, moves through the Symbolic producing symptoms and affects, and the flux is pinned to a Master Signifier, producing in the Imaginary a fantasy, which is obviously what Leftism and Rightism are. Fantasies.

    So I in no way regard myself as a sole possessor of political truth and do not want to see you look stupid. If anything, at the risk of making myself looking stupid, I want to promote dialogical thinking.

    So when I saw Clairebrook write, “You guys should read Celine.”, I read Schools for Corpses. And then I understood Clairebrook’s and Collen’s position quite clearly contra Moldbug/Land. I also found Celine’s writing a much more lucid (in its affects and symptoms) conceptualization of NRx ethos than Land or Moldbug’s obfuscating ‘Cathedral’.

    Marx himself said he would agree with anti-semitism if and only if you replaced the Jew with Capitalist, because then you would have communism. So there’s the dialectical tension.. Anti-semitism and Communism. The ethnostatists have simply just replaced ‘Capitalist’ back with ‘Jew’, because they place Jew and Communism on the same side together and Capitalism as apart.

    Here, this is a fascinating article on the figure of the Jew and the idea of Jewishness. http://www.lacan.com/essays/?page_id=276

    I don’t understand HBD beyond the fantastic cartography of cladistics. So I’m not the one to deconstruct Collen. Those of you who understand HBD and can easily point out the error of his ways should do so!

    I’m for pedagogy over censorship. There’s nothing more anti-praxical than pedagogy right now. Not coercion, not separation, but actual learning.

    Yes, Collen has just proven his typing problems do run deep. And maybe it’s more than just bad habits. Maybe he is unable to distill his thought into concise, elegant, declarative statements.

    But there is a thinking operating within his excessive verbiage and, well, you called it piggishness.

    The more I see people who are unwilling to engage him, who are disturbed by him, who wish he’d disappear, the more I think of the Zizekian/Lacanian politics of the Real.

    Who cares if he makes this blog look ugly. Is that your contention?

    The internet IS ugly. We’re interested in aesthetics now?

    Erebus Reply:

    >”I also found Celine’s writing a much more lucid (in its affects and symptoms) conceptualization of NRx ethos than Land or Moldbug’s obfuscating ‘Cathedral’.”

    How is this? Please explain. Celine always struck me as a populist, as a man with great sympathy for the the poor and unfortunate, and as a man in complete alignment with the political climate of his era. While he’s certainly a figure who should appeal to the alt-right, and the right more generally, I don’t think that he has much if anything to do with “the NRx Ethos” of Moldbug or Land.

    >”I don’t understand HBD beyond the fantastic cartography of cladistics. So I’m not the one to deconstruct Collen. Those of you who understand HBD and can easily point out the error of his ways should do so!”

    Why? His arguments are not novel and not interesting. Moreover, his position is not based on “HBD” at all, for his knowledge of genetics and biology is as pitiful as his command of written language. Sure, he’ll pepper his posts with words like “hajnal line” and “IQ,” but he doesn’t really understand what he’s talking about.

    Michael is, qualitatively, like a YouTube commenter. When I see people posting idiotic comments to YouTube videos, I don’t bother to “point out the error of their ways,” for that would be a waste of time. And it would be a waste of time here, for Michael isn’t going to change his tune — he’s only got one or two notes, after all. (Which he strikes incessantly! Indeed, as Kwisatz rightly noted, he tries to hijack every discussion with them.)

    >”But there is a thinking operating within his excessive verbiage”

    I disagree utterly. He is so inferior in his thinking that to engage with him, in any way, is a mistake. Pig, dirt, etc.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Erebus,

    Is neoreaction identitarian, not nominally, but actually?

    Is it for all or for some?

    If not all, which some?

    This ‘some’ is better spoken for by whom: Land, Moldbug or Celine?

    Have a nice day.

    collen ryan Reply:

    well kwis this whole reactionary thing is based on the premise that there’s this thing called the cathedral that has hacked democracy and used it to do things that are destroying western civilization and its people.Its like this big mystery why would these Davos geniuses do this? Oh they must be crypto calvinists signalling holiness.Seriously?
    LMAOROTF

    It is central Kwiz. Believe it or not I wish it were not, I really really truly wish I could think of a way to trust jews, but when even someone as smart and conservative as you cant see that the cathedral is a synagogue. That its self destructiveness makes perfect sense in the framework of jewish self interest. That all the institutions moldbug claims to be part of it are dominated by Jews,what hope is there? Its your denial, moldbugs denial, that makes it a central issue.

    Reaction needs a reboot.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Collen,

    I’m afraid you may be right. I suspect reaction’s empiricism and representationalism logically ends at your position.

    If so, I want no part of reaction. I will stick around Deterritorial Invesigations, Social Ecologies, UFblog, and avoid this blog and deluded clientele like the plague.

    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    You’re not listening to me. At all.

    You are in a mind trap right now. You have been trying to force a few dozen people into having the conversation that you want to have, in the terms you want to have it, on the time table you want to have it. They don’t want to do that right now. They don’t feel like it, but they’re too polite to confront you directly about your poor manners.

    The trap is that your particular agenda enables you to interpret any resistance to, on any grounds whatsoever, it as confirmation of that agenda’s importance, and your own rightness, rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

    You don’t know my thoughts on “the cathedral is a synagogue”, because I’m deliberately not allowing myself to be drawn into conversation with you on this topic. Because fuck you, I’m just trying to enjoy a nice glass of port and the company of friends, and you’re killing the vibe.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    “Because fuck you” LOL ..

    and cue the full-on descent into incivility

    Land says “the future will take care of itself’

    I believe that. Okay. To me, it speaks to irreversibility. It spells anti-praxis, detachment, disengagement.

    So whence cometh this need for reaction?

    Kwisatz, explain this.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    “Why do I love free-spiritedness? As the last consequence of all previous morality. To be just with regard to everything, to be free of inclination or disinclination, to be able to order one’s self into the series of things, to be above one’s self, the overcoming of and to have the courage to stand up to the personal-inimical, the painful, even in view of the evil in things; honesty, even as an opponent to idealism and piety, yes, even emotion, even in relation to honesty itself; a loving sense toward everything and everyone and good will to discover everything’s and everyone’s value, their justification, their necessity.” – Friedrich Nietzsche

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Rhome HBD is simple, we are different, we are in competition, one difference is whites are more open and that only helped us when relatively isolated. The culture we developed that served so well is morbid if we are not an ethno state.
    Everyone gets we are dragged down by third world immigration but we are also being exploited by jews above, But this is going to be an even bigger problem when the more numerous asians begin to colonize us.
    I dont really see it as a communism socialism problem anymore, you can recover from full blown communism in a decade or two, you never recover from demography.Not only are jews and asians part of our demographic replacement they use third worlders as proxy armies to trianguulate.Its very profitable to be intellectually superior to a host population its kind of the modern version of having horses and iron when the people you invade dont. Much easier than building your own nation only slightly more sustainable.

    yeah sure jews invented communism and were largely responsible for using it and its intellectual descendents to pwn goodwhite leftism for morbid aims. but thats hardly todays problem. Today jews are more likely to use capitalism for the same purposes, in fact they used capitalism to promote communism.

    The problem is not even jews or capitalism or communism or democracy its competition. Admitting we are in a competition is the taboo.Now if land simply wanted the highest IQ people to win, then i suppose he should decide that we are at the end of evolution and declare jews the winners and kill himself. Which is pretty much what is techno capitalist anti human accelerationism is saying.

    I think thats cheating evolution, as long as Im alive i think i owe me, my people,and the human race, my best effort to win. I dont really think jews or east asians have proved they deserve the title, actually I think the antisemites are not too far off the mark to characterize their strategy as parasitic. I really think rid of the invisible parasite that causes so many illnesses we cant figure out what is wrong with us we will thrive. I get that if we dont figure this out I was wrong, and I wont be here to find out if jews or east asian out survive niggers paperclippers and cockroaches. History gives me reason to be hopeful I will or at leat my children will be here to claim the universe.

    your moral qualms i find stupid. philosophers and other leftists were correct, there is no objective anything – except for this. to survive and multiply the closest copy of yourself possible, by any means necessary , that is the whole of the law. praise gnon

    Obviously communism and progressivism is also a form of parasitism and cant be tolerated but I think capitalism has to be subordinated to the nations goals.I certainly dont mean this in any socialist sense nationalist or otherwise. I simply mean we of the right are so protective of capitalism from the communism days we have forgotten and or choose to see its destructive side. yes sure theres good in that everything in moderation.

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  • Mathias Says:

    Why not simply ban the 3 commenters here who are causing all the trouble? Collen, Wagner and Claire Colebrook

    Then maybe this blog could recover the Golden Age that all of us remember so fondly: when members of the (((tribe))) were discussing the Cathedral (never the Synagogue) with other members of the (((tribe)))

    Ban those three trouble-makers and the chance that anyone here would ever raise the JQ again is less than zero.

    Problem solved.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    You’ve forgotten G. Eiríksson.

    Look, nobody relevant considers JQ relevant. Discussions in these parts are happening in perpendicular dimension to one where JQ is relevant.

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    Mathias Reply:

    All right, so ban G. Eiríksson, and you might as well ban Rohme Giuliano and Artxell Knaphni, while you’re at it.

    Surely (((nobody))) relevant considers them relevant.

    And of course ban anyone who considers JQ relevant.

    But just to be on the safe side, ban anyone who is not Jewish.

    Problem solved.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    LOL. Shit attract flies, not the other way around.

    I see that political correctness is KING. It’s just a matter of the content itself, I guess.

    I’m outta here.

    I hope that it becomes like totally awesome here now, guy.

    Mathias Reply:

    Rohme Giuliano: “I see that political correctness is KING. It’s just a matter of the content itself, I guess….I’m outta here.”

    Not sure if you were addressing Rothblatt or me. My comments were offhanded attempts at sarcasm and humor.

    As far as getting out of here, I’m right behind you.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Land is enamored by sycophant crowd. Old habits from post-High School school.

    The best of his oeuvre exceed him personally.

    Skip the Twitter jerk-offs.

    “Right wing” feminists. “Right wing” Marxists. Days soon over

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Rothblatt you simplistic monkey. It’s documented when you got offended by “me.” An utterly pathetic kneejerk reaction which you still hold ressentiment about.

    Your kneejerk reacto-brain thought that I must be against all Jews because I quoted the Protocols. When in fact I was praising them as a masterpiece of political science.

    Wagner BTW makes more quality posting than you overall.

    The Protocols are to be read as Theory Fiction.

    And they’re a great manual.

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    Q07ukbc54L6N Reply:

    The problem with colleen is not criticism of the chosen, it’s that every post consists of twenty paragraphs of meandering schizophrenic word salad.

    The possibility space for valid, interesting, and coherent arguments about the JQ is huge, but it is never touched upon in this comment section, because the commentariat can’t produce any argument more complicated than an 800 word variation of “niggers and Jews, bad news” featuring no punctuation and no underlying argument.

    Would you like to talk about how Moldbuggian NRx-as-pointless-intellectual-exercise bears a striking resemblance to arguing about Talmudic law? Does a well-researched thread on the means by which Israel stood while Rhodesia fell sound productive? Too bad, you’re stuck reading the linguistic equivalent of a forkbomb.

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    Erebus Reply:

    >The problem with colleen is not criticism of the chosen, it’s that every post consists of twenty paragraphs of meandering schizophrenic word salad.

    Precisely.

    It’s downright laughable to compare Michael/Colleen to somebody like, for instance, Pleasureman. Although their messages may at times be similar, Pleasureman is obviously extremely intelligent, always well-reasoned, and capable of logical argumentation, whereas Colleen is the opposite on all counts — and nearly subhuman in his total idiocy. Responding to one of Colleen’s rants is a pointless and inane exercise; no different than trying to talk sense to a gathering of your neighborhood’s stray dogs. His posts inspire nothing but pity. He wouldn’t last 24 hours on MPC, and I don’t think that he should be put up with here. (Or anywhere else, save perhaps YouTube.)

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    Wagner Reply:

    Mike’s perfectly understandable to me. And I think everyone else understands exactly what he’s saying too, they just wish it weren’t true. He’s a scary guy.

    Erebus Reply:

    He’s completely incoherent. I don’t think that anybody here has an problem when it comes to facing uncomfortable truths — it’s just that Michael is not understandable, not interesting, not capable of argumentation, and simply not worth engaging with on any level. He’s just annoying and pitiful. It’s a damn shame that he’s allowed to post such copious amounts of total nonsense, and I sincerely hope that this changes soon.

    Having said that, I honestly don’t think that anything else need be changed.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I quite understand him as well. If I’m not in the “mood” for his posts I simply ignore them

    The ones who are so bothered here are simply frustrated.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I agree that it’s rather too copious at times. But I wouldn’t wanna lose him altogether. Simply put a time-delay script on the guy

    Wagner Reply:

    Too copious, yes. Quit spamming, Mike. Condense your posts into little black diamonds. Erikson you have a similar problem with machine-gunning posts; think it over before you press submit so you can pack five shots into one like a shotgun. The thing on the left where it says Erikson on…. should not have Erikson on…. for five rows in a row, that is selfish. I don’t consider myself without flaws either. I’d just prefer to hear how and why I’m wrong rather than be passive-aggressively labeled a fumigation-worthy bug or schizo. Rohme is right, Land where is your chutzpah. It seems you of all people would know what to say to shut us up if we’re being stupid. Yet you don’t deign to descend to us, all the clout you’ve gotten from postmodern voidhumpers has gone to your head and made you hubristic.

    glass of juice Reply:

    >Pleasureman is obviously extremely intelligent, always well-reasoned, and capable of logical argumentation

    Yes, and his sense of humor is impeccable; but emotional stability is not his most pronounced trait. I’ve been lurking at MPC for years now, and my verdict is that Pman is a misguided genius. He has an unhealthy fixation on sociability – he conceives of the world, and passes judgement on all inter-human dynamics, through a kind of sociability-über-alles, or “normiism as an ideology”, lens. He makes for an amusing troll, and is more well-read than he lets on, but as valuable as some of his insights are, the scope and depth of his observation are forever narrowed and stunted by his inability to move past his “societal bonding” monomania.

    He is, at root, a let’s-go-back-to-the-50s conservative, but it’s not due to that society being the best fit for him (he enjoys the 21th century too much), rather, it’s because that appears to be his singular frame of reference for the “normalcy” he so craves. Unsurprisingly, then, he dismisses NRx without giving it its due consideration (his objection boils down to “they are a bunch of socially atomized nerds”, which incidentally is what he says of all his perceived ideological adversaries), and the notion of technological-capitalist accelerationism as something desirable would be perplexing, if not utterly incomprehensible, to his otherwise brilliant mind. I like Pman and appreciate what he has made of his forum, though I often disagree with the positions these fellas take on various issues.

    But ultimately, his sense of humor is sharper than his political diagnosis.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    all the clout you’ve gotten from postmodern voidhumpers has gone to your head and made you hubristic.

    This nails it.

    Land is ultimately leftist, and so is Trump and most of the so-called Right.

    (Cf. Gli uomini e le rovine. 1953).

    He has a chance at recovering though, once the Twitterati puffery blows.

    It makes perfect sense for a former stimulant-abuser to get addicted to the cyber-cocaine of notifications and likes. A rat in a more stimulating maze.

    Especially a ‘vitalist’ (lol) like Landie ol’ fellow.

    His doctrine ultimately has a place in the post-Feminist New Order.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Which is to say the template of Feminism toppled

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I propose an AI translator of Michael Collen’s salads.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “He has a chance at recovering though”

    No shit he does, he’s Nick fucking Land. Like I suggested before, he should unplug from the internet for a while and take up intensive zazen AND/or travel to South America and participate in a few ayahuasca ceremonies (unless he knows how to get the psychoactives safely from, say, one of the shady drug-friends of his past – O John Hannon where art thou?)

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    From the ultima Right everything is left

    John Hannon Reply:

    Only just seen this –

    “O John Hannon where art thou?”

    Well presently I’m trying to minimize distractions with the intention of getting a little book concerning nonduality together. In particular I’m trying to imagine how societies would be if nondual realization ever became a developmental norm rather than the rare exception it is now. Could they even survive beyond a few generations?

    Whether or not it’s really becoming more widespread is hard to tell, but it’s certainly being talked about more widely. Barely a week goes by without me finding yet another contemporary nondualist I’d never heard of before, this amiable Welsh bloke being the latest –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5UXRMicBZk

    Interestingly he says that his similarly awakened youngest son is fascinated by the blockchain, cryptocurrency and AI.

    As for NRx, I’m afraid the novelty has just about worn off for me now, and as I’ve never really had anything worthwhile to say about it in any case (most of my comments being posted post-pub), I’m just going to shut up and lurk in future.

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  • Gyrovague Says:

    One way to tidy up the place would be to have everyone who wants to comment to have a planet on Urbit via which you authenticate yourself. This would make a (high) barrier to entry for everyone to comment. It won’t exactly fix the problem but should make giving troublemakers the boot considerably easier.

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    AugustusPugin Reply:

    I’m loving the Urbit integration.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I have a lower urbit number than you comrade

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    LOL

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    Wagner Reply:

    Yeah if you don’t think what Collen Ryan just said is hilarious, excuse my crudity but you’re a faggot with nipples that can probably produce milk. Called him “comrade” too, priceless.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    “comrade” because jews used to brag how low their american communist party membership number was. yarvin likes number puns, and hes a red diaper baby so he probably anticipated someone making that joke.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    😀

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @ArchonAlarion

    Things are certainly not what they seem, they are always as they are but one of the insights of nrx is things are not what they seem, thus the red pill.

    yes its competition all the way down you say that likes its a bad thing.
    its as you would say the thing as it is , neither good nor bad just inescapable you are not going to construct around it, it simply incorporates your construct and proceeds. this is the reason nrx is so HBD founded, thats nicks horror the cold indifference of GNON.

    And frankly I dont really care if you replace jew with east asian or pick your race of choice, but in the end there really will only be one type of human if there still be humans, there are a lot of ways we might get there but thats a surety.

    A nation is close enough for now.even a race might be the place to make a stand for now, most around here will want to pick some particular hajinal nations I think they overthink it but they have a point. some want to construct a nation I think thats stupid and what we are suffering from.

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  • 1 Says:

    I have always sided with the trolls, in almost every situation I side with the trolls, even against people I used to agree with or generally find myself in agreement with. Really I can hardly think that much of a great number of situations where I thought, “I am glad that troll got banned.” I’ve been a part of a great many forums and witnessed these interactions many times, and almost all of the time, for whatever reason, I find myself thinking “that troll was actually kind of funny.” Even when I disagree with them or even just personally dislike them, troll comments add something to any given community. In fact, I personally feel that they test the limits of the community. Any given community will ALWAYS necessarily have at one level some element which is testing its limits. I have no problem with mockery or even light bullying. It’s on the internet, and really it’s just words (that is my personal view). In fact, half the time much of what takes place on the internet is a sort of high level phantasy, some sort of play acting or weird simulation of some kind of dreamlike scenario more so than any kind of “real” or meat-related activity. When you think of the internet more in terms of a sort of absurdist hyperreality, it opens up a lot of possibilities into how you can think about communication here.

    I personally think that the “troll” is a much more complex phenomena than simply “I hate trolls.” In fact, what is a troll? It’s far more to me than simply someone who is funny, or trying to disturb. I actually do genuinely feel that the troll can transcend mere internet phenomenon to something much more approaching an abstract kind of high art – a poetry. The joke is “trolling is a art.” However what I am saying actually goes past this. The “troll” is not so much a troll, or disrupter. Because someone who simply is doing performance art can be misinterpreted as trying to distress, when in fact it is that their art is not being understood. For instance, when Mozart or Stravinsky first performed some of their pieces, it was interpreted as being so confusing and odd that the people in the audience literally felt as though the person was “attention whoring” or something of the like. We now interpret these pieces as canon, as literally genius works of art which went beyond the conceptualization of the people living at that time.

    In fact, what is the internet if not text upon text upon text? All the internet IS is text. We write, but who is “we” – are we people behind keyboards? Or is this a giant novel which we are writing together – multiple characters at once, different plotlines and settings – and we are the “authors” … do you understand this?

    The web is more than just a place where humans log on and talk to other humans. It is a place where humans exist, create characters, create texts, and create textual interaction. It is a living textosphere. It’s far more than what most Facebook users realize it to be. That said, this is just my personal view on trolls. Yeah, they can ruin things. It depends on what you want. For instance there were some threads a few weeks ago for a video game show on /v/ and a bunch of people decided to start posting tons of hentai and weird transexual images. For me, a proponent of trolling almost to an ideological or dogmatic basis, this was too far. I wasn’t laughing or getting anything out of it. Really I never want mods to ban anyone but that may have been one of the few times where I felt like the actual purpose of the thread was being deliberately ruined and my experience reading the threads was going down. So yeah, I can understand that it really does happen sometimes.

    It’s your comment section, and if you want to clean it up all the more power to you, honestly. I do agree that some of the vulgarity really brings the quality down. That’s just my view. I am a realist, not a hater. That’s just how I feel. I don’t think you’ve made your views particularly well articulated in certain areas so people may be confused what the limits are for what you consider acceptable. There may be a reluctance to any kind of compassion or flowerly language – understandable in light of what we’re up against I suppose. I do think at some point that we’re going to have to find a way to be nice again.

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  • Zardoz Says:

    Admin, I generally don’t recommend people look at your blog, simply because the comments sections make you seem like a magnet for conspiracy theorists and banal racism.

    People spout conspiracy theories about ZOG or drop racial expletives, as if this was new information that someone needed to actually hear. As if they hadn’t heard this garbage a million other places on the net.

    I don’t spend much time reading the comments myself. Too much noise to wade through.

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    Amen, Zardoz.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Nobody has to wade through anything you whining little bitch

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    Zardoz Reply:

    Inshallah, Eiriksson, Go in Peace and Serve The Lord

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    collen ryan Reply:

    “People spout conspiracy theories about ZOG” – citation please

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  • collen ryan Says:

    If anyone has practical suggestions for restoring some basic level of comment quality, please pass it on. In the absence of anything neater, I’ll probably just start brutally culling comments that seem to lower the tone — from what it was a year or two back (it’s scarcely possible to lower the tone of what it’s become).

    I notice most of us have interpreted this as lets get rid of so and so which is I suppose a practical suggestion but Im sure youve already thought of that one and are still asking so.

    You could ask that people make a much greater effort to stay on topic, but people are hanging out here and once the heavy liftings done if you dont have another post up they like to banter.

    you could have a speech code if thats a problem but then Jim would not be able to comment.

    I think if you were less circumspect it would help. you know, be a host steer the salon it will encourage the other college boys to chime in instead of brooding in silence The jacobite stuff is like what I mean, it takes you from this wizard of the dark oz to this guy that wrote an article in english.

    I think you could be more clear about your own thoughts i think youre seen as the dean of the dark and your accelerationism and marxist background are a bit opaque to some of us and you could easily translate them, Iget you dont want to but then why not just ban us for being too stupid to see how your other ideas are not sympathetic to reaction. I mean i think we get the gist you could just be a bit more collegiate about it.

    you could get rid of all comments thats probably the best way to save face, no one ever know if the blogs doing better or worse or can say it was dead before i killed it. you dont seem to have as much enthusiasm so it would be a less work compromise.You could try a mod on this and accept guest posts from some of the real geniuses they could submit a essay or send you something of interest and you could say so and so is such a clever fellow he sent this for your consideration. That would make them feel good and you would feel good about that and the rest of us would compete for teach’s attention.

    you could say youre going to concentrate on jacobite

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  • tantum Says:

    Going impressionistically, the basic problem seems to be that you have a community of people who comment here who know that other members of the community will be present in any comment thread, and will engage with them.

    Having some sort of community like that is the necessary condition for *any* kind of interesting debate in the comments (leaving a comment on my blog, for example, is basically e-mail without privacy) but the more people just “hang out” in a comment thread, the more it will get cluttered with their nonsense. If they have nothing to add to a thread they’ll comment off-topic simply so they’ll have something to talk about; needless to say, they are happy to gradually lead interesting discussions off on tangents for the same reason. There are similar dynamics w.r.t. commenters rehashing old debates in newer threads (they don’t comment on the appropriate post because “no one will see it”, i.e. the party is always moving to the newest posts on the blog) and engaging in apparently trivial and pointless back-and-forth because they are checking the thread regularly.

    That’s the root of the problem; everything else, I would conjecture, is an epiphenomenon of the incoherence that results from that. I’m more confident diagnosing a disease that prescribing a remedy, but:

    1. Ban or suspend the regulars you like least

    2. Maintain high and arbitrary standards for “on-topic” discussion. Possibly aided by guidance w.r.t. interesting questions and boring questions at the end of the post itself.

    3. Get your regular commenters a frickin’ forum so they can gab and troll each other without congesting your blog’s comment threads.

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  • Mason Masters Says:

    I just want a weekly Chaos Patch!

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Go over to Brett Steven’s website.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    lol

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  • 1 Says:

    I must admit that with some of the things I’ve personally dealt with in my personal life after having “come out of the closet” as not a member of the leftist BS anymore – that honestly I think any amount of energy directed inward at the socially idiotic or problematic or whatever you want to call it – perhaps just stupid – members of people who are on “our side” but at the very least wouldn’t treat us like the left does, is actually kind of a waste of energy.

    That’s the one thing we have here. I think that’s what energizes us. We know that we can figure things out but anywhere else, that doesn’t happen anymore. There’s no figuring things out anymore. Just screeching, shutting down, etc. I don’t like some of the things I see here, but I’ll take it 100 times out of 100 over some moron who is thought of as “tolerant” screaming Islamophobe in my face because I dare say the words “radical Islam.” I think it’s important to keep that in mind. There’s a reason we’re here. There are real things we’re dealing with outside of the internet. It’s not funny. The blatant or shameless racism I guess you could say is obviously stupid, at the same time it’s almost preferable to the silence and repression of everywhere else. There’s definitely a way to fix things.

    Instead of by authority, perhaps by culture. Signify what “we” dislike, and mock it. Explain why.

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  • The Man Whose Blood Was Replaced with Worry Says:

    Nick,

    You’re correct, the comment section has become a sewer. The time to correct that has passed; those who once put a lot of work into their comments have obviously moved on (Kgaard, Handle, etc.). More generally, yes, NRx has gotten boring.

    I still check back here every now and then—but I’ve found you’re doing better things elsewhere. I’ve really appreciated the clarity of your articles for Jacobite. You might consider limiting the number of places you’re posting; the Twitter/UF/Xenosystems/Minds/Jacobite/god-knows-what-else division is more trouble than any of its parts make it worth. And I have yet to see Twitter yield anything worthwhile.

    I say ditch this place, consolidate on a single platform for long-form writing/self-promotion, and nuke from space any signs of bullshit.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Fraught voices cry to god, begging him to avert the incarnation

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  • magusjanus Says:

    Reddit like upvote system. That plus moderating banning stupid comments and ip banning repeated stupid comments.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Fumigation is a good idea, admin. Even if it means I’m the one getting flamethrown I’m glad you are adopting a flamethrowing attitude. Libertarianism, freedom of speech, these can have a noble impetus but at a certain point you’re just a starry-eyed idealist. On the other hand, I think you have a monkey darkness in your brain and you hate HATE hiss with fanged teeth at “on the other hand…” and are not silencing us out of our vulgarity but because we simply disagree with you. Of course, you hiss at this suggestion too since it disagrees with your agreement with yourself that you don’t hiss when others disagree with you. But great, fumigate me, continue the process of atomization, anything to put it out of its misery. Your very thought calls for the trolling of you. You think you can troll the whole world without being trolled yourself in the process.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Nah hes been cool with our disagreement,He must actually find some minimal value in it or hed have deathstarred us by now. its cuzof that tweet you posted, he’s embarrassed. It implied hes running a little lowbrow shop of horrors.
    where you been at bro Ive had to hold theses niggers in check all alone.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “where you been at bro Ive had to hold theses niggers in check all alone”

    I can’t imagine it’s too hard, their brains have been sliced up. For political reasons nuking honesty, instantiating a neo-political correctness. This can’t last very long. Land still thinks there stands a chance to close the flood gates. Nope, best to trip and shove anyone trying to close them.

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    Anon Reply:

    >be nick
    >openly celebrate classic anglo principles
    >flagrantly ignore Mill’s argument for freedom of speech for juxtaposing truth with falsity and falsity with truth
    >common indicator of esoteric writing for a particular audience is presence of such contradictions
    >this contradiction is a litany among many others
    >anglo classical liberal tech comm crowd still believe they are nick’s rhetorical audience

    Really makes me update my priors.

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  • Anon Says:

    The comments’ section is a reflection of the blog content and the population dynamics of NRx. Your current blog content is bad. 95% of the stuff you post are things I’ve seen elsewhere, either on twitter or bloggers who are more cutting edge. Your short commentary on news isn’t any better. More than half of the time it’s a low-key snarky one-liner that wouldn’t be out of place at Vice or HuffPost. If it isn’t news material, it’s the same old apocalyptic hyperstition propaganda with an esoteric wink to your core audience: accelerationists. When people cottoned on to this a few years back, you had to cover your tracks by making a distinction between left and right acceleration while lecturing everyone about entryism, so NRx didn’t get too antsy that they had an infiltrator in their midst (nerds generally suck at spotting deception).

    As to the population dynamics, most of the “old school” NRx guys are also boring. It’s the same schtick as 10 years ago. Alrenous in particular is somebody, that for someone that goes on about novelty, really hasn’t moved in any sort of creative groundbreaking direction since his comments on UR years ago. NRx has really passed him by (but I’m sure he’ll let everyone know just how smart he is while not producing anything worthy of being passed around). Not even sure I want to critique Hestia’s version of NRx, as for a bunch of people that are supposed to be building a strategically-minded organization they really cling onto Moldbug’s three point plan like a bunch of short sighted idiots that haven’t read anything on being flexible in one’s planning. As to the tech-comm crew, yet again boring. Who here hasn’t read a lot of scifi, and keeps up to date on the latest groundbreaking tech that has political and economic ramifications?

    The other population problem is the “new school” johnny-come-latelys who consist of the burned-out /lit/ continental philosophy crowd whose motivation for being here is likely that they got butthurt that SJWs directed their attention at them, which is really a consequence of their Kerensky-like machinations. So they now have to gloss over their various continental backgrounds with a veneer of counter-socjus edginess. These are the guys above who want the blog to be about the “horror of philosophy” while crying about right wingers, because at base they are still leftists. You can easily spot them by the moronic symmetry arguments they make between the left and the right, by actually non-ironically believing the right is as big a threat as the left. Funny how for all the bitching about the “cathedral” these dudes are welcomed with open arms by you. Entryists beget entryists, I guess.

    I find it no surprise that the low IQ WN crowd moved in over the corpses of NRx comments sections. It’s because you guys are dead and boring. Basic ecological principles after a disaster or slow collapse. The weeds and cockroaches are survivors. Given all this, there is no real incentive to leave good comments anywhere on NRx, let alone here.

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    Depopulator's Dad Reply:

    Go to your room, young man.

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    glass of juice Reply:

    Neither Land nor Moldbug are particularly socially conservative, to say the least. That a bunch of non-ironic, true-believing right-wingers, mostly but not exclusively of the Christian fundamentalist and White Nationalist varieties, have made NRx about their own (amusingly incongruous) ideologies, doesn’t mean that NRx should be thus defined. When I look at active NRxers today who are still worth reading, such as Land, Jim, and Spandrell, what immediately strikes my eye is that none of them fits very well into the alt-right scene. And I’m sure that, on close inspection, Anissimov, Laliberte, Foseti, Handle, Scharlach, and Radish — you know, the guys who made NRx non-boring when the Current Year was 2014 — each have something, or several things, that set them quite apart from the usual alt-right crowd. So… who are the real “entryists”, again?

    Possibly, NRx has become a victim of its own signalling. It got high on its own supply, you can say. The whole point used to be that Neo-Reaction is an essentially *new* kind of reaction against the modern orthodoxy of the Cathedral, rather than one particularly edgy and sophisticated brand of old-school conservatism. Now, look at the alt-right: beneath the Nazi LARPing, what does the alt-right offer, except the same old-school conservatism, often taken to its (il)logical extreme? It appears that, in an effort to attract “fellow dissidents” and gain legitimacy, NRx has turned into nothing but a Monarchist arm of the alt-right, to be intermittently ridiculed and invoked with qualified approval. If that’s your thing, well, knock yourself out. Just don’t feign surprise when it’s pointed out to you that most of the high-quality thinkers, including Moldbug himself, have deserted. You think it’s a coincidence that when “Boldmug” emerged a few months ago, it occurred on Scott Aaronson’s (a leftist Jew – oy gevalt) blog? No, not a coincidence.

    If NRx has become boring, which it has, you have to ask yourself: who made it boring? When the original thinkers were active, it was not boring. When newcomers flooded the ‘movement’ between 2012 and 2014, it was interesting still. But, shortly thereafter, something happened, and it all fell apart. What happened?
    Someone got high on his own supply, that’s what happened. Seeing this, Moldbug and the rest of them said: “thanks, but no thanks”, and went their own way. That’s when NRx became a rotting carcass, with the “low IQ WN crowd” being merely the last installment of worms to digest it, the former batch being Christian fundies and other assorted atavists who looked for something to latch onto.

    I’ve said enough. Hopefully, you now understand who the “entryists” are. If you don’t, it could be that you’re one of them yourself, sir. Funny, isn’t it?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >muhuhuh ;( my scene what happened it used to be so good with Anisimov and everybody muh muh nostalgia

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    glass of juice Reply:

    Lol, the irony. “Muh nostalgia” is pretty much the entirety of your weltanschauung. The facepalm… it hurts.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    No it’s not you retard

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Do you even have a weltanschauung?

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Aside from this jerkoff forumster word for world-view

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    collen ryan Reply:

    “Now, look at the alt-right: beneath the Nazi LARPing, what does the alt-right offer, except the same old-school conservatism, often taken to its (il)logical extreme”

    One could also say look at the nrx beneath the Nazi LARPing what does NRX offer, except the same Davos progressivism, only taken to ites illogical extreme”

    I do think you have a good point, but I think its not just that the altright doesnt get how socially liberal moldbug and co are, (and many of them get that quite well) I think a lot of nrx doesnt get that. I bet we would all be quite surprised at the results of an honest and extensive poll of nrx acolytes.I was saying this back when it was decided right christianity was a leg of the trichotomy.

    NRX has never understood itself. It wants to think of itself but its what it is in its use that is important. Some of you may want to try and death star it now its fallen into others hands. But its memes like red pill, have already hybridized down to alex jones, and lets be honest if land and co hadnt wanted a pat on the head from bayesian progs the naziz wouldnt be running around with moldbugs rayguns. Moldbug and all the rerst wre the one larping nazism its what made them famous. Now they are shocked shocked they were taken at their word. Maybe they were not larping there really were some nazi jews even some important ones I read.. This whole debate is ridiculous nothing stays the same forever. I think is used for what its useful for. you can cry that the nazis see everything as a hammer, but when a hammer is whats needed and isnt available you use whatever you can as a hammer.you want them tostop using your laptop as a hammer make them a hammer.

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    Anon Reply:

    @glass of juice

    Nah, you’re an idiot. As I said above, individuals like yourself (buttmad crypto-leftists that switched sides likely because sjws were mean to them) are trying to re-write the history of NRx. Moldbug is clearly reactionary on a ton of social issues. Not all, but most. Majority of his out-going links and blog roll that weren’t libertarians in his early days are to paleocons. Even when he is linking weirdo bloggers (like that HBD leftist) he did so under the guise of what could be construed as social reaction. Plus, Moldbug’s over-arching goals and intents (one might say, what drove him to create his strategic outlook) was as a means to control social and political violence (“The basic idea of formalism is just that the main problem in human affairs is violence. The goal is to design a way for humans to interact, on a planet of remarkably limited size, without violence.”), especially from the left’s constituents. It’s everywhere in Moldbug’s early writing that he is seriously concerned about underclass and mob violence, and he sees that the root grounding of this phenomenon is democracy and cathedral policy. This is something that has always been a classically reactionary right motivation since Burke.

    As to your top tier NRx bloggers, hilarious list.

    >Land

    An entryist crypto-marxist accelerationist. Anyone that has read his original material knows this is an act. He’s trying to influence libertarian tech-comm types to accelerate capital, and not because he is a friend of capital. This is contrary to Mark Fisher — who was trying to cover for Land before his death with that post about how Land loves capital. Feel free to keep an eye on his wife on twitter, since this is the most overt of the contradictions in his personal life (“I hate the cathedral, but my wife regularly re-tweets feminist and id politics topics. Please ignore this home life conundrum. I’m one of you guys. Never question this on the blog, or you’ll be banned.”) As Moldbug said years ago, when your enemy tells you how they are going fsck you, you should probably listen. None of you did (again, nerds suck at deception), so you let him have influence over the ideological current and somehow think he is your buddy.

    >Jim

    One of the most moronic NRx bloggers to exist. James Donaldson was chased out of Moldbug’s comments section years ago by the crowd there, because of his stupidity. No one remembers this, because y’all are interlopers trying to re-write what is happening as if he is some bigshot. Land is the one that actually made him big (what a coincidence), not Moldbug. If you have a good counter-argument to Donaldson’s claims, he’ll double down on his idiocy, which usually consists of the most moronic extreme socially conservative positions available (woman should be beaten, slavery is good, etc). He was like an early Colleen Ryan. Oh, and like the MPC boys say, he likes reviewing japanese cartoons and talking about pedophilia. Top tier intellect there. Gonna add him to my RSS feed.

    >Spandrell

    A guy like alrenous who thinks he is way smarter than he actually is. Is a hedgehog (muh status), hence boring, since he does a terrible job compared to actual academic work on signalling and status. You could read the latest works by cultural evolutionary theorists on status bias in populations and get a much better explanatory framework for how this sort of thing works. Given NRx hates actually non-blog reading this will never happen. And if you want to read about Chinese geopolitical history, go read Scholar’s Stage. A better blogger than Spandrell will ever be on that topic.

    >Anissimov

    A former “rationalist” that wanted to build a militia commune devoid of actual community right in the vicinity of a supervolcano.

    >Laliberte

    Style and flash over substance. His avatar was one of him smoking trying to look like a cool guy. Had to delete his online posting career because his persona didn’t match up to who he was.

    >Foseti, Handle, Radish

    “Here is another 50k words on a topic that Moldbug already wrote about.”

    >Scharlach

    “My sole claim to fame is making an outdated social graph visualization.”

    The rest of your post is garbage, since I made no comparison between the alt-right and NRx. I’m not even sure what you are getting at apart from giving a rival explanation for boringness where you admit that the supposed superior bloggers got outplayed by a bunch of morons, which really proves my point for me (“we are going to win and make political systems but can’t even maintain our own blogs, baaaaw alt right no play fair”). You honestly sound like the equivalent of teenaged girl group from Mean Girls. Face it, NRx is vastly over-rated. It’s basically academic larping at this point with people like yourself that have to copy the affectations of reactionary caricatures with nerdspeak like “sir” and bitching about being beaten up by the internet equivalent of jocks.

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    glass of juice Reply:

    You see, right from the beginning your assumptions are false – no SJW was “mean” to me, resulting in me fleeing into this part of the internet in search of a “safe space”. Lol, not even close. SJWs are hilarious in my view, and it’s only mouthbreathers such as yourself who find them even remotely intimidating. I found NRx through the intersection between it and the Manosphere, back in 2013; never having set foot in academia, not only do I not see SJWs as formidable rivals, I actually support them – the more unhinged they are, the better! As a matter of fact, that you even bring up “SJWs” as some type of scary boogeyman shows that you’ve spent too much time at Vox Day’s masturbatorium. Anyway, let’s move on:

    “Moldbug is clearly reactionary on a ton of social issues. Not all, but most.”

    In the narrow American sense, that’s true. From a wider perspective than America’s inane culture wars between “liberals” and “conservatives” (in which, in case you haven’t noticed, Moldbug sternly refuses to take a side), I’d say that no, he isn’t all that very socially conservative. In Eastern Europe, for instance, or for that matter in Israel, he’d be considered for all intents and purposes an eclectic leftist; that is, a leftist with some unconventional views on the nature of government. You only consider him “right-wing” because of how constrained your own Overton Window is. “Oooohh! He questioned the taboo over slavery! Such extreme, so radicalism.” Tell me, then: do you think that his reasoning in “the Virtual Option” is somehow “conservative”? Are you nuts?

    “Feel free to keep an eye on his wife on twitter, since this is the most overt of the contradictions in his personal life”

    Who cares about his personal life and its supposed “contradictions”? Are you an adolescent or something? Land produces interesting, thought-provoking material, and I couldn’t care less if he were actually an android sent from the future to terminate human security, or — may Allah forgive me for even uttering this word — a literal out-and-out Marxist. His stuff on Fragmentation is exactly the kind of “ground breaking” thinking that people here seek. That social conflicts ought to be solved through space, rather than through time, as he wrote in TDE, is also a key insight that NRx had *rightly* come to espouse, back before it was swamped by GTKRWN alt-righters.

    “Oh, and like the MPC boys say, he likes reviewing japanese cartoons and talking about pedophilia. Top tier intellect there.”

    James A. Donald is a man of culture – and refined taste! On a more serious note, Jim’s unorthodox and counter-intuitive arguments, augmented by vast treasures of knowledge accumulated over decades of meticulous research and the occasional google search, are exactly the reason he’s invaluable to anyone looking to challenge yet another plank of modern political dogma. His posts about pedophilia, far from being the worst of his writing, are some of the best of his writing – after all, he seems to have his own “personal experience” with this particular issue. (Dude, perhaps you should smile instead of being so dreary all the time? This is funny shit. Nah, having fun must be contrary to your inborn nature)

    “Is a hedgehog (muh status), hence boring, since he does a terrible job compared to actual academic work on signalling and status.”

    This is true to an extent, but curiously enough, the folks at MPC keep referencing his post on transsexualism as autogynophilia. So at the very least, he hasn’t been worthless throughout all of his blogging career – only throughout most of it, you could say. But really, he takes a no-nonsense, real-politik approach to most issues, such as e.g abortion, so it should come as no surprise that petulant dogmatists like you dislike him. Has he taken his “signalling of signalling, all is signalling” theory a bit too far? Sure, but it’s an effective reminder for people on the autistic spectrum not to take the statements of politicians or women at face value. It’s philanthropy on his part, you see.

    “A former “rationalist” that wanted to build a militia commune devoid of actual community right in the vicinity of a supervolcano.”

    Hey, I’d be the first to say that Anissimov should have stuck to transhumanism rather than going full-Monarchist. Be that as it may, while he may be an emotionally volatile con-artist, yet, damn it, he’s a HIGH IQ emotionally volatile con-artist. His articles at MoreRight, and the people he brought over into NRx from Yudkowsky’s rationalist circle, were not all that bad. Yes, MPC would describe him as a “maladjusted nerd” – but when he finally assumes the throne over the Kingdom of Idaho, then we’ll see who will be laughing at whom! (okay, I’m just trolling at this point)

    “Style and flash over substance. His avatar was one of him smoking trying to look like a cool guy. Had to delete his online posting career because his persona didn’t match up to who he was.”

    Your last two sentences show just how infantile you are, thinking that people’s avatars and, again, personal lives, are somehow relevant when discussing the abstract ideas they put forth on their blogs. As for your first sentence in this miserable paragraph, it is patently false. His writing was very insightful at times, and though he could use an editor, I do recall him articulating some truly novel thoughts, which is more than can be said for most of the alt-right cesspool.

    ““Here is another 50k words on a topic that Moldbug already wrote about.””

    Get out. Radish, in particular, was by far the best blogger NRx ever had. I bet you’re just being jealous here. And he covered his topics in more depth than, or in equal depth as, Moldbug himself, albeit it’s true that, chronologically speaking, Moldbug came first. But XS is no fan of chronological sequence, so… Yeah.

    ““My sole claim to fame is making an outdated social graph visualization.””

    Whatever.

    “Face it, NRx is vastly over-rated. It’s basically academic larping at this point with people like yourself that have to copy the affectations of reactionary caricatures with nerdspeak like “sir” and bitching about being beaten up by the internet equivalent of jocks.”

    What next? Are you going to call me a “goon”, perchance? No, kind sire, it is the alt-right — including /pol/, DailyStormer, MPC, and their assorted affiliates — that is overrated. NRx is da real deal, nigga. Or to be precise, used to be the real deal, until, and that is admittedly something to lament, the troll brigades unleashed their all fury on innocent thinkers who dindu nuffin like Laliberte, who despite everything, is a decent human being.

    I guess my point, besides laughing at you (don’t get me wrong, I’d quite enjoy laughing *with* you, but you are too much of a humorless True Believer for that kind of thing – you should probably just go back to your treehouse and whine some more about how “the Left” is so intimidating, boo-hoo), is that there have been some worthwhile things going on in NRx, before people such as yourself, dear interlocutor, arrived on the scene and, not getting the joke, thinking that NRx is yet another socially conservative echo-chamber, began brutally assaulting everyone else’s boredom-containment mechanisms with your incessant Cultural Warfare against “liebruls”, “Jooooos”, and, as a demotist like you has put it here (it was you), “the left’s constituencies”.

    Do you get it now, ENTRYIST SCUM?

    Anon Reply:

    @glass of juice

    Pretty much none of your retorts on the Moldbug issue are an argument. You’ve stated “x is true in a narrow sense, but not the wider sense.” then gone on to describe a state of affairs in certain countries with no warrants as to how this underpins the “wider sense” you are using it. You’ve merely asserted it is the case, said its my interpretation that colors the claims (w/o justification for how this works), and finished with a rhetorical question about a blog post (rhetorical questions aren’t arguments, prove your point). You’ve given no fleshed out justifications for your claims, while I did. This is pretty pathetic for someone claiming the high road of NRx. Shit argument. 0/10. I’m honestly wondering if you are a troll after that opening.

    Regarding ideas mattering over men; no, this is crap, and also part of the problem. Firstly, in the case of Land, he explicitly outlined over many years as part of the CCRU a collection of strategies and tools to accelerate capital with his original intents and genealogy coming from a new left D&G spin on Marxism. There are all sorts of essays that are about this. e.g. the essay about a conspiratorial circle that infiltrates groups and has a continous splitting process, which almost matches to a tee what he did in NRx. The left are known for long term conspiratorial plays and infiltrations (academics from the humanities being doubly suspicious, given their leadership roles in various revolutionary movements in the last 150 years). As Moldbug has said, this is what they are good at. Your fundamental problem, as is with most of NRx, is that you don’t understand entryism. You may type it in capital letters with accusations, but you don’t understand the mechanism. The best way to work out who is an infiltrator or not is to look for inconsistencies and anomalies in their behavior. This is an approach that you find in writings by the CIA in their counterintelligence tradecraft. In the case of Land: his home life does not match up to his ideas. He portrays himself as anti-cathedral, yet shares a house with a person who not only works in cathedralist ideas, but spreads such ideas in China and on twitter. He talks about China being against such ideas (and normatively should be), yet he is connected to a person who is working to subvert Chinese society with the very ideas he supposedly doesn’t want there. He portrays himself as anti-human, yet if you bring up any personal inconsistencies at all, he’ll ban you. None of this will matter to anyone here, because NRx thinks of themselves as the smartest guy in the room. They can’t be fooled, so they’ll think anyone who says they have been fooled is actually an idiot. Hence, Nick will go on deceiving them, and all of them will continue thinking there is nothing wrong while he plays y’all like puppets (well, most of you, given the large contingent of smugposting humanities grad student accelerationists here and on twitter, they likely recognize what he is up to).

    Secondly, the men of ideas and their students are intellectual junkies. Ideas get you off, but you are unable to actually wield them with skill because you are intoxicated by them. David Stove’s essay on madness and thought is appropriate here, which coincidentally Moldbug linked to early on, but I guess you skipped that part. Rather than adopting the local religious madness, you’ve come under the sway of a madman while thinking you are “patrician” and part of the conversation by copying the inflections that spread among the group due to UR and other blogs. Not only are you controlled by ideas, but you are controlled by these men. If you’ve ever read any dual inheritance theory, you’d know that these inflections and grammatical tics throughout your posts are basic social learning mechanisms and population dynamics at play: you are copying what you think is high status among the group, i.e. status bias. What this means is that you have slightly more scaled up neurons than the average 9gag user copying the latest memes and trying to signal to everyone that he is down with the ingroup conformity. You may be pretending to use those inflections as some sort of troll, but the fact you’ve doubled-down on the inflections means I’ve nailed a part of your psychology: while you see ideas as primary, you are mainly doing this for social status and conformity reasons. By your own actions, the men matter more to you over the ideas.

    As to the men whose ideas you’ve drawn from, the intellectual madman is often a piece of shit or behaviourally incongruous. Marx had a destitute family that he mostly ignored and blew up at. Wittgenstein was a Stalinist propagandist. Lakatos forced a woman to commit suicide. Nick Land will probably upload his children’s brains into roombas. It goes on and on. At the end of the day, these people want to change the world with their ideas. They want the universal to become the concrete, even if it means slaughtering everyone, deathcamps, or worshiping the paperclip maximizing Google AI adsense god in Hong Kong while jerking it to ironic accelerationist memes on twitter. Pretty much every major intellectual has had shit behavior IRL and this often carries over to their ideas and followers. In the same way, Land is a kind of Stovian madman. Your posts are indicative of his influence on your madness.

    You may counter all this with “muh ad homs,” but it is irrelevant since it is the connection between the speaker’s ethos and their spoken ideas that is just what is at issue here. Ad hominem style arguments are regularly used in places like law, let alone the entire history of oration, to show that the ethos of the individual and their argument is incongruous. You can call other’s autists, but a big sign of autism is taking things at this single level of analysis (the propositional content, or in alrenous’s case above where he doesn’t even bother because he is just so brilliant: surface level grammar), and not factoring in source/speaker, history, context, etc. into your analysis. This isn’t even a continental thing (history of ideas > analysis), it’s a pragmatic thing that anyone who works with deception in the real world does. While it is certainly shitty what happened to Bryce (and some of the jackasses shouldn’t have gone to the lengths they did), what we learned from that little outing was that his words didn’t conform to who he was. That’s important to the people that aren’t mainlining hegelianism via frog twitter because they want to be cool.

    Rest of the post isn’t worth responding to. You raised several writers as examples, I argued against that, then you resort to handful of them with “haha it was a joke maaaan, I’m just pretending to be retarded. Pedophilia is sooo fetch. 10k word theses on anime and pedos are on par with Filmer and MacIntyre. I love freedom and child brides bro. I hope people respect me for my memes. I’m a big player in NRx. Watch out.”

    As to the other stuff, no where have I mentioned the alt-right or jews (what is your problem here btw? Several times you’ve equated anyone that isn’t 100% down with your perceived mean girls ingroup must be a conspiracy theorist about jews. Talk about an amygdala hijack). You may deny being a former leftist, but there is a leftist-tinge about you. The random capital shouty letters, the amygdala hijack when called out, the reference to body fluids like Chapo/Weird Twitter does, the “ur too serious brooo” ironyposting. All indicate someone that was among that crowd for a long time. Wagner is probably right below that you are one of those continental pozlings and that you are buttmad that I nailed who you are.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    glass of juice you’ve restored my respect for you, whoever you are.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Enjoyable posts, both.

    Depopulator's Dad Reply:

    Apologies to everybody for my son’s behavior. He’s a good kid – really! – who fell in with the wrong crowd and got hooked on IQ shredders.

    glass of juice Reply:

    “Shit argument.”

    Moldbug, the atheist half-Jew, supports (or doesn’t mind) gay marriage, abortion, female participation in the workforce, interracial dating – pretty much everything the “True Right” stands against nowadays. Hey, I’m okay with these things too. If you want to pretend all that away, and argue that actually, if you follow his links (as if they were more informative and relevant than his publicly stated positions), it turns out that he’s really an arch-conservative on social issues… the delusion is yours.

    “Regarding ideas mattering over men; no, this is crap, and also part of the problem. ”

    Yeah, the pictures people put in their avatars (sunglasses AND a cigarette? Outrageous!) are oh-so-important to political discourse.

    “Firstly, in the case of Land, he explicitly outlined over many years as part of the CCRU a collection of strategies and tools to accelerate capital with his original intents and genealogy coming from a new left D&G spin on Marxism. There are all sorts of essays that are about this. e.g. the essay about a conspiratorial circle that infiltrates groups and has a continous splitting process, which almost matches to a tee what he did in NRx.”

    I know. Someone — maybe it was you — posted it maniacally on /aristoi/. I was there, my friend. I was there all along. And there’s one thing only I have to say on this matter: I hope it is 100% true. That would be, if true, the troll of the century. Not kidding. Unsolicited lulzy comparison: Hitler was sent to report on the activities of the German Workers’ Party, and his “infiltration” of the Party, far from destroying it, eventually turned it into the literal Nazis. Very successful, regardless of whatever happened two decades afterwards. So – am I supposed to be concerned about Land being an “infiltrator”? I hope Nick Land does to NRx what Adolf Hitler did to the party he was “spying” on. See? *Now* you know that I’m trolling. As far as I’m concerned, he (meaning Land, not the Austrian fella) did nothing wrong, and should do it all over again just to upset “true rightists” like you.

    “Rather than adopting the local religious madness, you’ve come under the sway of a madman while thinking you are “patrician” and part of the conversation by copying the inflections that spread among the group due to UR and other blogs. Not only are you controlled by ideas, but you are controlled by these men.”

    Go on…

    “If you’ve ever read any dual inheritance theory, you’d know that these inflections and grammatical tics throughout your posts are basic social learning mechanisms and population dynamics at play: you are copying what you think is high status among the group, i.e. status bias.”

    Isn’t signalling to Brahmins a core tenet of NRx strategy, at least according to Moldbug/Hestia? But that’s just how propaganda (of any kind) works. My inflections, as such, are finely-tuned to my audience. The audience here being people who follow the endless saga of NRx and also possess an internet-conscious sense of humor. At any rate, “the person” is but a vehicle loaded with sundry ideas, ideas with a self-replication potential, and though you want the engine of the vehicle to function optimally, ultimately it’s the ideas, not the person, that proliferate. Memes may be mental constructs formed by individual minds, but there’s no reason why they should be inextricably associated with their formulators once they’re unleashed to the Outside. And I believe Land wrote something to this effect.

    “Pretty much every major intellectual has had shit behavior IRL and this often carries over to their ideas and followers.”

    Ah. So you’re one of those. Gotcha. A moralizer, concern-trolling me about the irony of people writing about ethics and morality being IRL unethical and immoral. I’m not sure why I’m supposed to give a shit about such a matter, but apparently, you think that I do. Bro – even if your nemesis, the esteemed professor Land, is actually a worse serial killer than Ted Bundy, I couldn’t care less. Of course, I’d want him imprisoned in that hypothetical scenario, but as far as his ideas are concerned, let’s just say that unless he murdered (and subsequently sexually violated the corpse of) someone personally close to me, I’d hardly feel any inclination at all to view his works in a worse light.

    “what we learned from that little outing was that his words didn’t conform to who he was.”

    What we learned is that he had been bisexual, several years prior to the outing. Tell me again why, even if he was radically anti-perversion (he wasn’t, so the implication of hypocrisy is baseless), it should affect my treatment of his political propositions. Brian Uecker aka Pman strikes me as a real psychopath, and yet I like, not without my own reservations, some of his output. Now, you can dismiss me as just another jerk, and use that ad-hominem as proof that you’re right. But you’re not right. Was Crowley an asshole? You betcha – but he often had the right ideas in mind.

    “Several times you’ve equated anyone that isn’t 100% down with your perceived mean girls ingroup must be a conspiracy theorist about jews.”

    Is that an accurate portrayal of our debate? “Several times”, really?

    “the reference to body fluids”

    ???

    “You may deny being a former leftist, but there is a leftist-tinge about you.”

    Good thing I have never made such denials, then. But no, actually, I’m not a “former leftist” (by which you mean “former soyboy”, with problem glasses and a Tumblr or whatever) – I am rather quite liberal right now, but remain strictly committed to realism regarding human nature, therefore willing to entertain the most un-PC ideas imaginable, provided they are presented coherently. And what about you? If you’re not alt-right, then what do you stand up for?

    “I nailed who you are.”

    Oh boy… You haven’t even begun.

    Anon Reply:

    “You haven’t even begun.”

    rofl, ok corvinus. I wonder what other sockpuppets you have here.

    glass of juice Reply:

    Corvinus is too much of an ANTIFA to even have this debate. Nice try, though.

    Anon Reply:

    Yeah ok dooood. Your uppercase letters and the catchphrases you use (“patently false”), along with your reference to /aristoi/ was what sealed it for me. You flew too close to the sun on this one, Corvinus. You started out strong, and then went back to your old style. Gotta say, I got suckered into your bullshit until that final post. Should have went with my gut and knew it was trolling.

    PS

    Shouldn’t you be at Jim’s trolling, since that is the only DE/NRx blog that probably hasn’t banned you yet? BTW, I’m quite intrigued as to what other sockpuppets you are running here at XS with your trolls, since that is your usual MO.

    glass of juice Reply:

    If your “clue” here was my mention of /aristoi/, then let me give you an actual clue: in light of all that has been said here, I’m actually a huge hypocrite. Astronomical hypocrite. Now go solve the puzzle.

    glass of juice Reply:

    Speaking of Corvinus, I was looking for his “the Jews made me retarded, now I post on /aristoi/” meme over the web, but couldn’t find it. What he did to that board was a shame, but what the goyim don’t seem to even grasp is that for 4 and half years now, NRx has been beset by an anti-Semitic Jewish troll, capable of alternating between several distinct writing styles at will, whose sole motivation is the derivation of “mad lulz” from watching the drama unfold.

    My participation was an “active” one, pal. And I wrote the articles. Yes, *those* articles, all 3 of them. Now, if you still don’t know what this is about, ask Garr from Jim’s blog. Actually, don’t ask him – he hasn’t been given the full picture either. Otherwise, keep thinking this is Corvinus, the ANTIFA with the “racist uncle” who refuses to infer un-PC conclusions from recurrent behavioral patterns.

    G’day sir.

    glass of juice Reply:

    Relevant:

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/395/340/f9f.png

    Wagner Reply:

    If he’s a crypto-marxist accelerationist he’s just falling into Nietzsche’s trap anyway:

    “Zarathustra [is] happy about the fact that class war is *over*, and now there is finally time for a rank ordering of Individuals. Hatred against the democratic system of leveling is only *foreground*: in fact he [Zarathustra] is very happy that *this has come thus far*. Now he can finish his task. —”

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  • Post Alley Crackpot Says:

    Let’s change the discourse then: why is it that you are being held hostage by your own comments section?

    Why not simply abolish that which can no longer be endured?

    Benefits include: more time for things appreciated and enjoyed, such as “Chaos Patches”, as well as more incentive to produce writing that actually moves NRx along, for better or worse.

    It’s not a question of whether you can “police” the comments here — clearly those battles have been lost, and you are now having to consider various coping-in-place schemes to shelter yourself from the consequences of an all-out war.

    If you have to satisfy the participatory urge, perhaps you should satisfy it through a policy of pingback comments only that are limited in number per post. An RSS aggregator full of “your sources” that you can give a toss about could also help.

    If people aren’t coming here for “the commentariat”, then the traffic should show how things are working out on the basis of what you’re actually producing.

    “But but but … I can’t do without my commenters, because they occasionally … rarely … very rarely … actually, once in a blue moon, if I’m really lucky … they have something I absolutely cannot do without!”

    There’s probably a twelve-step programme for this. 🙂

    As for XS being Nick Land’s one-man show, why must it be this way?

    Clearly there are a few people here who could contribute something insightful, coherent, and mostly consistent. Perhaps Mencius Moldbug himself would welcome being a guest contributor here.

    Despatching the commenters and adding contributors would do much for fumigation. At the least, the crack house in the back of the cafe could be closed down by the proper authorities. 🙂

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    collen ryan Reply:

    If we had the proper authorities we wouldn’t be smoking crack

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Those who whine the most about other commentators here are the ones who effect the least change in their own lives or are Fantasy-reading video-game playing nerds who want to read Dark pseudo-“Right Wing” stuff with their morning coffee

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This includes Marxoid hipster “dark” crowd on Twitter, who spend 20 hours per week exchanging useless sentences which amount to high-IQ jokes or ideas already seen in Sci-Fi & Fantasy or to be seen

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    Wagner Reply:

    Right, we’ve offended the liberal sensibilities of Land’s twitter nest of continental pozzlings. Gosh how sorry I am. Normies burning schizos, never heard that one before, huh Erikson? We may have our incoherent moments but if they can’t handle us at our 1889-1900 Nietzsche they don’t deserve us at our 1882-1888 Nietzsche.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    yesterday a new hipster bistro that opened in crown heights brooklyn got a huge negro demonstration because it ironically sold rose wine in 40oz bottled wrapped in a paper bag and put fake bullet holes on its windows.Niggers dont do irony. THis is a metaphor for NRX. Hipster Jewbug larped nazi ironically all his hipster friends thought this was really clever and now the real Nazis are outside his cafe screaming cultural appropriation. Its fucking hysterical, I say loot it take ts fucking memes and burn it down. Oh wait we already did that. LMAOROTF

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ↑ Someone who doesn’t appreciate this post is worse than a fag.

    Posted on July 23rd, 2017 at 11:29 am Reply | Quote
  • Jacques Laconic Says:

    Nuke the comments.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Nuke yourself.

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    Posted on July 23rd, 2017 at 2:09 pm Reply | Quote
  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Like why was republican Genoa better run and longer lasting (792 years) than absolutist France (130 years)?

    +1

    Y’all gotta realise tho, this is a discussion forum? What are y’all hoping to get out of it?

    It’s clear what’s got to be done anyway. Produce high-IQ non-Commie people, buy up Space, Time, Energy, Matter.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    So the question is what are we selecting for by burning me for what, bad manners ,heresy stupidity? Polite orthodox thinking I would guess. But as erbus points out I know nothing of genetics.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @Mathias

    as far as I can tell the answer is that the questions are beneath reply I cant know how stupid I am I realize Im not the smartest guy here its entirely possible im clueless.

    I dont even try to be honest, I dont parse volumes of obscure thinkers like most of you obviously have i go right to the cliff notes use my spatial relations to toss it in a pile and then shoot from the hip.Im a fucking steamfitter. I dont thinbk you can take power without winning us steamfitters over, but Ill be told thats demotic.

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    Mathias Reply:

    Collen,

    I was taking your side, but maybe I didn’t make myself clear.

    If you cut through all the lies and BS, this Fumigation thread is really very simple: it’s a battle between jews (and the normies who worship them) on one side

    versus the troublemakers (Collen, Wagner, Claire Colebrook) on the other side

    Notice that every troublemaker has one thing in common, they’ve criticized jews, at one time or another.

    This is unforgiveable

    Do you really think (((they))) don’t understand you, or that this is about incoherence, vulgarity or using proper grammar?

    Oh, but there was nothing vulgar or incoherent about the wars for Israel (Iraq, Libya, etc) pretending to humanitarian wars

    Give me a fucking break.

    They know exactly what you’re saying, and they want you (and the others) banned for saying it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Mathias

    that was an accidental reply to you,
    yes i got you were taking my side in a very funny way BTW, even funnier when they didnt get the joke at first. Ironically Im really not the type of anti semite they imagine me to be its more a skeptic thing but the more i notice the more i notice and i do have to admit i wondered how many commenters are jewish because they all seemed to eventually focus on that when most of my comments are about taking another look at aspects democracy, capitalism, the impossibility of exit, elite spirals,antihumanism, but they only really seem to hear jew and respond in the typical leftist way that Im a low intelligence tribalist. Whatever NRx had an opportunity to adress that topic head on and amelorate the outcome they ducked and the rest of the right has taken their memes and moved on, the JQ will now be answered as its always been answered when history hits this point coming so soon after the last the amplitude might sirprise

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    Wagner Reply:

    “Philosophy is only about one thing: making trouble.” – Admin in 1992

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    It’s the Jooz again

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Anyway, I see that some SJW jerkos have recently edited on-Evola’s article on Wikipedia.

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    Wagner Reply:

    It isn’t recent, it’s been an ongoing process. Are the wiki archives available? It would be very interesting to juxtapose the edits from the time of yore to Bannon’s (imo potatoheadedly reckless) open affection for Evola to the present day.

    Before reading Moldbug: *donates to “Jimmy” Wales*
    After reading Moldbug: *wants “Jimmy” to pay for his crimes against mankind*

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    It was a perfect article just months ago. I’m not exaggerating. Weirdly positive.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Oh yeah and on Bezos websites (amazon.com, half.com, audible.com) when you type in Evola it autocorrects to “evil”. Pure coincidence I’m sure.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    No it doesn’t.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Yeah my statement was unscientific: it is either Safari that does that or my mac, so whoever is behind one or both of those two has “corrected that mistake”, unless it’s just an AI auto-correct. It’s a little spooky when it happens, considering Evola is one of the evilest men of the 20th century.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    “The other day I was tinkering around in my garage and I decided to build a new ideology.” The WASP veneer was wearing off neoconservatism the way it had the progressive new deal, then it hit me, neo -reaction!

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    😀

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  • Uncle Saturday Says:

    Pick a few traveling companions, walk out of the church, lock the rest inside, and burn it to the ground — blogs are cheap. A new nym would help.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Faggot

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    collen ryan Reply:

    dont you like using that word like that again

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    I’ve downloaded the whole website. I’ll set it up as http://www.xenosystems2.net and keep on posting as admin links to articles I find on Twitter.

    Y’all will have to set up an IndieGogo Patron fund for the Deep Web assassination attempt or already join Cryptogen’s but nothing can stop the tide

    The Schizo Beast is rising, he will turn man against his brother

    network from shore to shore, until a dork exists no more

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  • Contaminated NEET Says:

    Once again we learn that namefagging is cancer.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This place is a cesspit of negativity. You’re right, I’m a real person with a real name, you worthless noname zero.

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    Mariani Reply:

    I think he’s referring to names in general, including pseudonyms.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Oh. Total anonymity is a fantasy though. Deep lore teaches signatures rerum

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Skin in the game, video-game jerking-off faggot.

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    Contaminated NEET Reply:

    >video-game jerking-off faggot

    Attacking the personal characteristics of a “worthless noname zero” doesn’t work. It’s like trying to punch water.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yeah, it was an exaggeration obviously. You couldn´t do anything to a literal nonentity.

    Posted on July 23rd, 2017 at 9:07 pm Reply | Quote
  • Frank Says:

    What do? Easy. Cap spammy posters’ weekly allowance at 5 posts/week, 300 words per post, for a while. You can even revoke this policy after a while (2-3 months in). This will solve your problem.

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  • Wagner Says:

    “… In the camp was one Percennius, formerly a busy leader of theatrical factions, after that a common soldier, of a petulant tongue, and from his experience in theatrical party zeal, well qualified to stir up the bad passions of the crowd. Upon minds uninformed, and agitated with doubts as to what might be the condition of military service now that Augustus was dead, he wrought gradually by confabulations by night, or when day verged toward its close; and when all the better-disposed had retired to their respective quarters, he would congregate all the most depraved about him…” – Tacitus, Annals of Imperial Rome

    “Tacitus is a great artist. Under his hands things come strikingly alive… Tacitus presents the soldiers’ grievances and demands, which cast a light upon the facts of their everyday situation, as utterances of the ringleader Percennius; he sees no reason to discuss them, to inquire whether and how far they were justified, to explain how the Roman soldier’s lot had changed since the days of the Republic, and the like. All this, he considers, is not worth treating, and it is evident that he could rely on his readers’ not missing anything of the kind either. But this is not all. The factual information he gives on the causes of the revolt–information presented in the form of a ringleader’s speech and not discussed further–he invalidates in advance by stating at the outset his own view of the real causes of the revolt in purely ethical terms: [“Thus stood affairs at Rome, when a sedition made its appearance in the legions in Pannonia, without any fresh [novis] grounds, save that the accession of a new prince promised impunity to tumult, and held out the hope of advantages to be derived from a civil war”]. It would be difficult to put it more contemptuously. In his view, the whole thing is merely a matter of mob effrontery and lack of discipline. The blame is placed on the interruption of the usual schedule of duties (they are idle and therefore they shout, says Pharaoh of the Jews). We must be careful not to read in to the word novis the admission that older grievances are justified. Nothing could be further from Tacitus’ view. Time and again he dwells upon the point that only the worst elements are ready to rebel; and as for the leader Percennius, the former chief claqueur, boasting his histrionale studium and playing the general, Tacitus feels only the most profound contempt for him.
    So it becomes manifest that Tacitus’ vivid recital of the soldiers’ grievances and demands is by no means based upon an understanding of those demands. This fact might naturally be explained as the result of Tacitus’ characteristic attitude of aristocratic conservatism; to his mind, a rebellious legion is nothing but a lawless mob; a common soldier in the role of a mutinous ringleader defies classification in terms of constitutional law, especially since even during the revolutionary epoch of Roman history the most radical rebels could not attain their goal except by submitting to the established order of a civil service career. It may moreover be assumed that Tacitus viewed with alarm the growing power of the military; during the civil wars it had increased to threatening proportions, as later it came to undermine the very structure of the state. But this explanation is not enough. For Tacitus not only lacks understanding, he actually has no interest whatever in the facts underlying the soldiers’ demands. He does not argue against their demands in objective terms; he will not take the trouble to prove that they are not justified… [This is] based upon an aristocratic reluctance to become involved with growth processes in the depths, for these processes are felt to be both vulgar and orgiastically lawless.” – Auerbach

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    An Fomoire Reply:

    Tacitus was right, Tiberius was a tyrannical Bacchanialite.

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  • Pseudo-chrysostom Says:

    Every site that has ever embraced ‘tone policing’ inevitably became (more of) a leftist shithole.

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    Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    Liberally minded/blue tribe persons are poorly ‘suited’ to glorious realities of the game of existence, which they call horror.

    Getting triggered by bants is a good smoketest for someone who is liberally minded.

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    Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    “Then came the Goddess of Everything Else from the void, bright with stardust which glows like the stars glow. She sat on a bench in a park, started speaking; she sang to the children a dream of a different existence. She showed them transcendence of everything mortal, she showed them a galaxy lit up with consciousness. Genomes rewritten, the brain and the body set loose from Darwinian bonds and restrictions. Vast billions of beings, and every one different, ruled over by omnibenevolent angels. The people all crowded in closer to hear her, and all of them listened and all of them wondered.”

    This is what someone who hates life and the vitalities of life sounds like.

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    Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    Liberals hate life and want to die.

    Alas and even more unfortunate, they are also egotistical narcissists. So rather than doing the decent thing and dying alone, they try to drag everyone else along with them.

    Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    Lest they admit weakness, certainly not to themselves.

    Posted on July 24th, 2017 at 12:44 am Reply | Quote
  • Pseudo-chrysostom Says:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/7031513_700b.jpg

    This is what someone who hates life looks like.

    They simply can’t stand even the most basic fundaments of succeeding at the game.

    The choice of spoopy skellingtons is not coincidental; *Todestrieb* is their everpresent derangement.

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  • Lurkenstein Says:

    That’s what happens when You Let the Alt-Right One In.

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  • Wagner Says:

    https://twitter.com/UF_blog/status/889085663173156864

    Projecting much?

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  • Bolsh Says:

    It’s hilarious to see people who believe in segregation, borders, and the usefulness of discrimination cry foul when someone wants to police their own website. Isn’t free speech demotist? Aren’t unmoderated comment sections just the baying of the crowd?

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    ▬ ” Drawing together communiqués, covert interviews, oral and underground history of introvert struggles (Introfada), here for the first time is a detailed documentation of the political demands of shy people.

    Radicalised against the imperial domination of globalised PR projectionism, extrovert poise and loudness, the Shy Radicals and their guerrilla wing the Shy Underground are a vanguard movement intent on trans-rupting consensus extrovert-supremacist politics and assertiveness culture of the twenty first century. The movement aims to establish an independent homeland – Aspergistan, a utopian state for introverted people, run according to Shyria Law and underpinned by Pan-Shyist ideology, protecting the rights of the oppressed quiet and shy people.

    Shy Radicals are the Black Panther Party of the introvert class, and this anti-systemic manifesto is a quiet and thoughtful polemic, a satire that uses anti-colonial theory to build a critique of dominant culture and the rising tide of Islamophobia. Shy Radicals author Hamja Ahsan is an artist, curator and activist based in London. He is the Free Talha Ahsan campaign organiser.

    Hamja Ahsan is an activist, writer, curator and artist. He is a campaigner for prisoners, human rights and civil liberties under the War on Terror, and was shortlisted for the Liberty Human Rights awards for the Free Talha Ahsan campaign. He has presented art projects at Tate Modern, Gwangju Biennale, Shaanakht festival Pakistan and Shlipa Academy, Bangladesh. He co-founded DIY Cultures Festival in 2013.

    Common Objectives is a series of projects from artist/writer collectives or individual art practices engaged with emerging political struggles, rejecting the idea of culture as a playground for the elite, engaging in the potent mix of free discourse, solidarity and the production of new desires and prepared to break open old worlds, either in the virtual space of communication and networks, or in the concrete world of action, discourse and distribution. Common Objectives is commissioned by Book Works from open submission and edited by Nina Power. ”

    https://www.bookworks.org.uk/node/1917

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  • Mariani Says:

    I feel as though there’s been a rebound in comment quality compared to, say, six months ago. But that’s just me.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Often threats bring increased vigour.

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  • Alf Says:

    Random thoughts:
    – Every well-evolved comment section has loyalist regulars who defend against moronic comments. Ideally this keeps out low quality stuff, but sometime banning, culling and/or public denunciation by admin is necessary.

    – People take internet thedes too seriously. Then again, water is wet.

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  • Claire Colebrook Says:

    The Turin Horse – monologue

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu_pqP7_IUE

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    Wagner Reply:

    In other news, Land is getting pwned as usual by the forces of antichrist. Uncold Noys gossips about him and he has to sever the cord connecting him to the truths of his nightmares.

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  • Seth Largo Says:

    My decision to start commenting and (sometimes) blogging non-anonymously has certainly led to a degradation in my own output around here and elsewhere. There’s something about being fair and careful and “classically liberal” that refines your thought but turns its substance to plastic, so that one’s intellectual output begins to resemble . . . well, a sharp plastic spork instead of an incisive blade.

    The old threads are still a wonder to read, though. I wouldn’t have finished the doctorate without this site as a counterweight to mundane academia. Don’t abandon it.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Thanks for this post.

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  • Claire Colebrook Says:

    After the war, Heidegger was often criticized for his silence concerning the holocaust, however during a lecture in Bremen in 1949, he broke his silence with the following seemingly off the cuff remark (a remark omitted when the text reappeared as “The Question Concerning Technology”)

    “Agriculture is now a mechanized food industry, in essence the same as the manufacture of corpses in the gas chambers and extermination camps, the same as the blockading and starving of nations, the same as the manufacture of hydrogen bombs.”

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  • Shoshana Says:

    I never seen so much dick waving in my entire life. It was a fascinating reading.

    I’m acutely aware of my low status, but I mustered some courage to offer my two cents regardless: the technical side of commenting space on this blog sucks. Not only up/downvotes are impossible, but even the simple act of replying to someone is not working correctly.

    Why it’s not possible to edit typos? Why reply system is so awfully borked?

    The comment section is an absolutely essential part of a blog, and I personally believe that it should be upgraded here. I guess Disqus is too Jewish and too NSA for you guys, but anything better than this current atrocity would be a great improvement.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Disqus is too Jewish and too NSA for you guys, redundant

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “the technical side of commenting space on this blog sucks.”

    It’s sucks an archaic horses corpses assess.

    https://youtu.be/2-FvL-7zD98

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Lament for Ignacio Sanchez Mejias

    1. Cogida and death

    At five in the afternoon.
    It was exactly five in the afternoon.
    A boy brought the white sheet
    at five in the afternoon.
    A frail of lime ready prepared
    at five in the afternoon.
    The rest was death, and death alone.

    The wind carried away the cottonwood
    at five in the afternoon.
    And the oxide scattered crystal and nickel
    at five in the afternoon.
    Now the dove and the leopard wrestle
    at five in the afternoon.
    And a thigh with a desolated horn
    at five in the afternoon.
    The bass-string struck up
    at five in the afternoon.
    Arsenic bells and smoke
    at five in the afternoon.
    Groups of silence in the corners
    at five in the afternoon.
    And the bull alone with a high heart!
    At five in the afternoon.
    When the sweat of snow was coming
    at five in the afternoon,
    when the bull ring was covered with iodine
    at five in the afternoon.
    Death laid eggs in the wound
    at five in the afternoon.
    At five in the afternoon.
    At five o’clock in the afternoon.

    A coffin on wheels is his bed
    at five in the afternoon.
    Bones and flutes resound in his ears
    at five in the afternoon.
    Now the bull was bellowing through his forehead
    at five in the afternoon.
    The room was iridescent with agony
    at five in the afternoon.
    In the distance the gangrene now comes
    at five in the afternoon.
    Horn of the lily through green groins
    at five in the afternoon.
    The wounds were burning like suns
    at five in the afternoon.
    At five in the afternoon.
    Ah, that fatal five in the afternoon!
    It was five by all the clocks!
    It was five in the shade of the afternoon!

    2. The Spilled Blood

    I will not see it!

    Tell the moon to come,
    for I do not want to see the blood
    of Ignacio on the sand.

    I will not see it!

    The moon wide open.
    Horse of still clouds,
    and the grey bull ring of dreams
    with willows in the barreras.

    I will not see it!

    Let my memory kindle!
    Warm the jasmines
    of such minute whiteness!

    I will not see it!

    The cow of the ancient world
    passed har sad tongue
    over a snout of blood
    spilled on the sand,
    and the bulls of Guisando,
    partly death and partly stone,
    bellowed like two centuries
    sated with threading the earth.
    No.
    I will not see it!

    Ignacio goes up the tiers
    with all his death on his shoulders.
    He sought for the dawn
    but the dawn was no more.
    He seeks for his confident profile
    and the dream bewilders him
    He sought for his beautiful body
    and encountered his opened blood
    Do not ask me to see it!
    I do not want to hear it spurt
    each time with less strength:
    that spurt that illuminates
    the tiers of seats, and spills
    over the corduroy and the leather
    of a thirsty multitude.
    Who shouts that I should come near!
    Do not ask me to see it!

    His eyes did not close
    when he saw the horns near,
    but the terrible mothers
    lifted their heads.
    And across the ranches,
    an air of secret voices rose,
    shouting to celestial bulls,
    herdsmen of pale mist.
    There was no prince in Sevilla
    who could compare to him,
    nor sword like his sword
    nor heart so true.
    Like a river of lions
    was his marvellous strength,
    and like a marble torso
    his firm drawn moderation.
    The air of Andalusian Rome
    gilded his head
    where his smile was a spikenard
    of wit and intelligence.
    What a great torero in the ring!
    What a good peasant in the sierra!
    How gentle with the sheaves!
    How hard with the spurs!
    How tender with the dew!
    How dazzling the fiesta!
    How tremendous with the final
    banderillas of darkness!

    But now he sleeps without end.
    Now the moss and the grass
    open with sure fingers
    the flower of his skull.
    And now his blood comes out singing;
    singing along marshes and meadows,
    sliding on frozen horns,
    faltering soulless in the mist
    stumbling over a thousand hoofs
    like a long, dark, sad tongue,
    to form a pool of agony
    close to the starry Guadalquivir.
    Oh, white wall of Spain!
    Oh, black bull of sorrow!
    Oh, hard blood of Ignacio!
    Oh, nightingale of his veins!
    No.
    I will not see it!
    No chalice can contain it,
    no swallows can drink it,
    no frost of light can cool it,
    nor song nor deluge of white lilies,
    no glass can cover mit with silver.
    No.
    I will not see it!

    3. The Laid Out Body

    Stone is a forehead where dreams grieve
    without curving waters and frozen cypresses.
    Stone is a shoulder on which to bear Time
    with trees formed of tears and ribbons and planets.

    I have seen grey showers move towards the waves
    raising their tender riddle arms,
    to avoid being caught by lying stone
    which loosens their limbs without soaking their blood.

    For stone gathers seed and clouds,
    skeleton larks and wolves of penumbra:
    but yields not sounds nor crystals nor fire,
    only bull rings and bull rings and more bull rings without walls.

    Now, Ignacio the well born lies on the stone.
    All is finished. What is happening! Contemplate his face:
    death has covered him with pale sulphur
    and has place on him the head of dark minotaur.

    All is finished. The rain penetrates his mouth.
    The air, as if mad, leaves his sunken chest,
    and Love, soaked through with tears of snow,
    warms itself on the peak of the herd.

    What is they saying? A stenching silence settles down.
    We are here with a body laid out which fades away,
    with a pure shape which had nightingales
    and we see it being filled with depthless holes.

    Who creases the shroud? What he says is not true!
    Nobody sings here, nobody weeps in the corner,
    nobody pricks the spurs, nor terrifies the serpent.
    Here I want nothing else but the round eyes
    to see his body without a chance of rest.

    Here I want to see those men of hard voice.
    Those that break horses and dominate rivers;
    those men of sonorous skeleton who sing
    with a mouth full of sun and flint.

    Here I want to see them. Before the stone.
    Before this body with broken reins.
    I want to know from them the way out
    for this captain stripped down by death.

    I want them to show me a lament like a river
    which will have sweet mists and deep shores,
    to take the body of Ignacio where it looses itself
    without hearing the double planting of the bulls.

    Loses itself in the round bull ring of the moon
    which feigns in its youth a sad quiet bull,
    loses itself in the night without song of fishes
    and in the white thicket of frozen smoke.

    I don’t want to cover his face with handkerchiefs
    that he may get used to the death he carries.
    Go, Ignacio, feel not the hot bellowing
    Sleep, fly, rest: even the sea dies!

    4. Absent Soul

    The bull does not know you, nor the fig tree,
    nor the horses, nor the ants in your own house.
    The child and the afternoon do not know you
    because you have dead forever.

    The shoulder of the stone does not know you
    nor the black silk, where you are shuttered.
    Your silent memory does not know you
    because you have died forever

    The autumn will come with small white snails,
    misty grapes and clustered hills,
    but no one will look into your eyes
    because you have died forever.

    Because you have died for ever,
    like all the dead of the earth,
    like all the dead who are forgotten
    in a heap of lifeless dogs.

    Nobody knows you. No. But I sing of you.
    For posterity I sing of your profile and grace.
    Of the signal maturity of your understanding.
    Of your appetite for death and the taste of its mouth.
    Of the sadness of your once valiant gaiety.

    It will be a long time, if ever, before there is born
    an Andalusian so true, so rich in adventure.
    I sing of his elegance with words that groan,
    and I remember a sad breeze through the olive trees.

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  • a whirling aluminum tube Says:

    Better comments software that doesn’t make it such a pain to scroll past somebody’s long and rambling post

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    a whirling aluminum tube Reply:

    For the record I find Coleen’s prose completely understandable in the vast majority of cases (which is often not the case for other writers) and it seems to be an extremely well stated critique of NRX.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    LOL thanx

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    Wagner Reply:

    “… out and out schizophrenics like colleen ryan/Michael.”

    “out and out”

    Erebus Reply:

    Heh… you almost had me there for a second. If you hadn’t used the phrase “extremely well stated,” your sarcasm would have gone right over my head.

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    Wagner Reply:

    You think Mike is bad then you see Land retweeting homosexual Marxists and then you wonder if Mike is really so bad.

    a whirling aluminum tube Reply:

    Not sarcasm

    He seems to communicate these criticisms more effectively than I could, I would waste far too much time on trying to phrase the criticism just right, he has a nack for just laying it out there and somehow making the concept intelligible.

    He’s explaining why a lot of us drifted away from NRX over the years

    Erebus Reply:

    I know that you’re just trolling for laughs — for nobody can say with a straight face that Mike, whose rants read like a babbling lunatic was given access to a speech-to-text app, has ever written anything that’s “extremely well stated” or, for that matter, “intelligible” — but I’ll play along, because I also find this amusing. Would you say that Michael has a core argument? If so, what is it?

    collen ryan Reply:

    erubus youre ( I assume by your bragging) like the Davos crowd really smart, smarter than me. They, or at least their thinkers are the smartest people in the world and yet….This is why I talk about stuffing you nerds all back in lockers as wagner put it.

    Its not that I dont get youre more intelligent its just you dont have common sense.No, not common sense like that which gets made fun of at Less Wrong, real common sense, like I want to live. Dreaming up scifi fantasy governments while the real live version of camp of the saints is actually actually underway is criminal larping,You like to sputter youre a demotist when this is pointed out. Because what you’re really mad at is that Davos didnt recognize your genius.If you could be up there at Davos lecturing about AI robots turning proles into soylent green youde be thrilled with their scheme to accomplish it by first destroying the only thing that can prevent your little elysium project,western civilization and its peoples.Do you really imagine the cathedral is any less elitist than you? They’re the fucking chosen people for christ’s sake.What do you think they will elevate niggers and muzzies once whites are crushed? If you do you’re a fucking moron, universalism is a pose.The question is have you made enough money to make the cut, I think may have barely saved my family. But you think your coding skills ought to count as cash hahahaha it doesnt they figure if youre too stupid to have turned that into cash youre too stupid to participate. I began my exit in 92 and yet I am the only one around here to say there is no exit. I could sell my 92 exit for a huge profit and transport it almost anywhere but its pointless north Idaho is probably as safe as it gets.

    Moldbug is ten years old now, the situation on the ground is different, his thinking while clever and funny was really derivative of conservatives those of us that hadn’t been hipster faggot progressives up to that point were all well aware of. Kuehnelt-Leddihn with a health dose of hipster irony. His biggest accomplishment and its not to be minimized is he maybe for the first time, got hipster faggot leftists to listen to reason.That is if hes not a jew entryist which is not out of the realm of possibility and yarvin doesn’t have to understand himself as that for it to be true.

    Moldbug as he is being interpreted and the very limited work built upon him has a lot of internal inconsistencies, a real lack of practical application, its all wild theory and no meat, which is why its a fucking circle jerk ten years later, and why the alt right etc has taken a few phrases like red pill and holiness signalling and the ironic nazism and left you in the classroom.

    Obviously the people you and your pals here rant about stinking up the joint including myself dont dismiss reaction entirely or we would be over on another node of the right. In fact we are doing as yarvin suggested we are attempting to influence the elite, its beginning to seem like a waste of time like you’re not really as bright as we thought. Trump is an idiot but he actually got some basic things you cant grasp and he actually seized power hes the head of the cathedral now. If you idiot savants listened to people like me you might be in the white house. But of course according to moldbug trump cant possibly be in the whitehouse. I dont delude myself its likely trump can survive but if you had gotten prepared as i instructed you what at least seven years ago you might be able to help. instead you larped about dungeons and dragons and made more charts and graphs

    collen ryan Reply:

    A core argument against what exactly college boy? whats your core argument ?

    collen ryan Reply:

    lets keep the word salad to a minimum we are all fairly familiar with the topic why dont you type out1- 5 sentences each a core tenet of moldbug and lets see what i and any others can think of to question.keep in mind we never said it was total garbage. if you prefer i can start.

    the self destructive behavior of the cathedral is the evolution of calvinist holiness signaling.

    The cathedral would be better understood as the result of rational jewish pwning of western civ for self preservation.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Come on Erb get into the spirit i really want you to pick demotism but frame it as you will or pick another

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Some people are just more addicted to aesthetics than others.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yet what is more important?

    collen ryan Reply:

    Im sure youll say there I go again about the jews so I kind of wish i had picked another
    core tenet, but you have to admit moldbug makes it kind of pivotal, lets say we make it as central as moldbug does.
    Most of his ideas not only proceed from this they develop their problems from this. And its his attempt to tie HBD into it all, And I have no problem with agreeing HBD is the center of everything, in fact one of the things Ive saif is that its probably impossible to design a sustainable civilization until we can edit our HBD, I think land gobbdy gook bladerunner dime novel philosophy has something about this recursive temporality of histiry about it.
    But moldbug is stretchting it to claim status signaling is overriding the instinct to survive.Ill avoid the word salad that would be required to get into how convoluted his logic gets to keep it about wasps. I know you claim I know nothing about HBd and its true my knowledge is limited, but ide say wasp participation is more about their own self interest than holiness signaling, they are bought off, in myriad ways from the globalist looting of white nations to simply keeping their jobs

    But if you want to skip this one Erb Ill be fine with that for now, but full disclosure my people have no reason to want to defend cromwell and co, so anyone want to jump in and defend the jews how about we all at least fully disclose what out biases might be.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Im sure youll say there I go again about the jews so I kind of wish i had picked another
    core tenet”

    Transcendental Antisemitism here is a reaction to Land’s Transcendental Philosemitism.

    Land in Jacobite mag: “It’s inevitable, we have to prepare to discuss the J000z!”
    *10 days later*
    “Gas the Nazis!”

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  • Mathias Says:

    Fumigation Half-Time Scorecard

    Collen 1

    Jews 0

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    I think Mr. Land should
    hire a Moderator
    Simple as
    $$$

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    BTW some para-Landian dude added me on Facebook recently, but I mass deleted ca 3.000 “friends” with an extension for Chrome (it didn´t somehow delete all my friends as it was supposed to be)

    If he´s reading this and MSG me

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  • Wagner Says:

    The gulag hangs over the head of NRx. No one can think straight on that basis alone. Philosophy and the state are always in a tension and therefore masks are always necessary. But what is philosophy if not proceeding without a mask?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Maskless philosophy?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    whats philosophy without a mask, masks are transformative, they allow us to assume another perspective.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    A philosophy with a face.

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    TM Reply:

    Quite the contrary:
    “Whatever is profound loves masks; what is most profound even hates image and parable. Might not nothing less than the opposite , be the proper disguise for the shame of a god? A questionable question: it would be odd if some mystic had not risked something to that effect in his mind. There are occurrences of such a delicate nature that one does well to cover them up with some rudeness to conceal them; there are actions of love and extravagant generosity after which nothing is more advisable than to take a stick and give any eyewitness a sound thrashing: that would muddle his memory Some know how to muddle and abuse their own memory in order to have their revenge at least against this only witness: shame is inventive.

    It is not the worst things that cause the worst shame: there is not only guile behind a mask – there is so much graciousness in cunning. I could imagine that a human being who had to guard something precious and vulnerable might roll through life, rude and round as an old green wine cask with heavy hoops: the refinement of his shame would want it that way.

    A man whose sense of shame has some profundity encounters his destinies and delicate decisions, too, on paths which few ever reach and of whose mere existence his closest intimates must not know: his mortal danger is concealed from their eyes, and so is his regained sureness of life. Such a concealed man who instinctively needs speech for silence and for burial in silence and who is inexhaustible in his evasion of communication, wants and sees to it that a mask of him roams in his place through the hearts and heads of his friends. And supposing he did not want it, he would still realize some day that in spite of that a mask of him is there – and that this is well. Every profound spirit needs a mask: even more, around every profound spirit a mask is growing continually, owing to the constantly false, namely shallow , interpretation of every word, every step, every sign of life he gives.”
    —Nietzsche BGE 40

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  • Mathias Says:

    The following remark comes from Immanuel Kant’s Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View, a manual for a lecture course that Kant gave for nearly thirty years.

    It was first published as a book in 1798. The passage appears in §46, which is entitled “On Mental Deficiencies in the Cognitive Power” [“Von den Gemüthsschwächen im Erkenntnißvermögen”]:

    “The Palestinians living among us have, for the most part, earned a not unfounded reputation for being cheaters, because of their spirit of usury since their exile. Certainly, it seems strange to conceive of a nation of cheaters; but it is just as odd to think of a nation of merchants, the great majority of whom, bound by an ancient superstition that is recognized by the State they live in, seek no civil dignity and try to make up for this loss by the advantage of duping
    the people among whom they find refuge, and even one another.

    The situation could not be otherwise, given a whole nation of merchants, as non-productive members of society (for example, the Jews in Poland). So their constitution, which is sanctioned by ancient precepts and even by the people among whom they live (since we have certain sacred writings in common with them), cannot consistently be abolished — even though the supreme principle of their morality in trading with us is “Let the buyer beware.”

    I shall not engage in the futile undertaking of lecturing to these people, in terms of morality, about cheating and honesty. Instead, I shall present my conjectures about the origin of this peculiar constitution (the constitution, namely, of a nation of merchants).

    [Quoted in Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View, tr. Mary J. Gregor (The Hague: Martinus Nijhoff, 1974), p. 77.]

    Kant then offers his conjectures about the origin of the Jews as a nation of merchants — Palestine, as he puts it, was well-situated for the caravan trade, and so on.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    but, but, how can we trust them to be our Patchlords then? Surely when they own everything and wield absolute power over us they will develop a paternalism? Isnt Lord zuckerberg even now going about the shire seeing that his friends are warm and safe?

    Well it must be so because Carlyle said the merchants were the new aristocracy and moldbug says he was right that they will take care of us as if we were their very own property.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    So it’s Kant who originated this phrase? Le Merchants? I first saw it in Evola’s ‘Empire of (the) Merchants.’

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    Mathias Reply:

    I’m not sure about that, but speaking of Evola, he once wrote:

    “I see nothing but a world of ruins, where a kind of front line is possible only in the catacombs.”

    And this was written in 1948.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Pretty sure carlyle is using it in 1840 in chartism so that predates evola

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yeah?

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  • ekscest Says:

    On the other hand, quality control can be one of the many guises of the Human Security System. As the expression moderate implies, it can be an instance of enforcing the moderate. I keep on returning to the troll situation that happened on hyperstition site. A situation that is rather valuable, not just an unnecessary distraction, a sort of detournement perhaps. In other words, first as farce, then as hyperstition:
    http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/004528.html

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    The anti-race really is succeeding:

    https://www.facebook.com/adam.parfrey/posts/10159122326510224

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Nothing to worry about they have explained its because of evil white man chemicals in the environment that only affect evil white men.

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  • Claire Colebrook Says:

    A toast to Rakowicki Cemetery (where the poet Georg Trakl was buried) in the falling light….

    Trakl’s spirit, or so Heidegger argues, is not something rational or intellectual or spiritual, in the religious sense, but is, rather, associated with the image of the flame:

    “Spirit is flame.”

    (Heidegger, On the Way to Language)

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  • Mathias Says:

    Trigger Warning: The following sentence is long, with no paragraph or line breaks, and it contains violence, strong language and incoherence

    Apollo the archer of the East also guided the Turkish artillerymen near the well-guarded Dardanelles, on the banks of the Scamander, facing Cape Helles where the monument to unknown soldiers of the battle of Gallipoli stands, white as a lighthouse, you can read over 2,000 British names there for as many bodies whose remains are scattered throughout the peninsula along with the dusty bones of 1,200 unidentifiable Frenchmen from the years 1915-1916, before the Eastern Expeditionary Corps gave up and went to try its luck near Thessalonica in support of the Serbs against the Bulgarians, leaving the Dardanelles and the Bosporus inviolate after ten months of battle and 150,000 French, Algerian, Senegalese, English, Australian, New Zealanders, Sikh, Hindu, Turkish, Albanian, Arab, and German corpses, like so many Boeotians, Mycenaeans, brave Arcadians, or magnanimous Cephallenians against the Dardanians, Thracians, Pelasgians with the furious javelins, or Lycians come from afar, guided by the spear of blameless Sarpedon

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  • Wagner Says:

    In an alternate history where the Axis powers won, trolls are cyber-picketing German Land about how cool Churchill was. German Land: “STFU!”

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    I just bought a Philips Senseo coffee machien because it’s available in the store where I shop food, but it’s entirely plastic. I promise you verily none of you are free of Sin and my coffee isn’t free of plastic derivum

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  • collen ryan Says:

    http://www.fox9.com/news/270725340-story

    Police: Argument over Magic the Gathering card game leads to stabbing- and we thought w had problems

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    http://www.neoshamon.com

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  • JackieO Says:

    Nick, I think you must follow the rule of nomads and riflemen and just strike camp. Shut it down, go fully private, invite in the commenters you value and re-emerge in a year under a different shingle. Be contingent, itinerant and timely.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    In my view, there’s a lot of great commentary here and commentary on any site tinged with alt right or neoreaction has gone downhill since the great influence of entryists.

    The solution is probably to delete comments which are of low quality no matter what perspective they are from. This irritates some who are fans or loyal to you, but have accidentally shitposted the irrelevant.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    https://www.facebook.com/Kurzgesagt/posts/815574905290677

    optimistic nihilism

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  • SVErshov Says:

    The only justification for maintenance of this blog can be based on know paradigm when environments full of shit, degeneracy, mental pervertion been able to atract and stimulate individuals capable to generate worthy ideas. Based on that assumption I would reject notion that this place full of shit and therefore does not worth time and efforts. Just in opposite, these piles of shit tiredlesly moved here by ‘motivated’ individuals is necessary structural support for siriouse thought. It is exactly what this place becomes in its course of ‘natural’ evolution, and why it worth to maintan.

    You will see few years (maybe decades) later, people in certain circles will be devided on those who were here and those who not. Similarly to CCRU, it still discussed, but XS is much bigger. Better I stop here, ha ha…

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You right

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Eran English
    3 hrs ·
    Kong Skull Island is one of the worst films I’ve seen this year. Clearly pandering to the Chinese market. Awful. Just awful.
    Expect many more films and franchises you once loved to turn to shit as a result of the booming Chinese consumers who (mostly) have no taste what so ever.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Yup, ethnomasochist Land sucks China cock

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    lol. That’s not my point with this.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    To be clear I share Land’s appreciation for Chinese thing and taste.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬» Sinofuturism (1839 – 2046 AD)
    11 months ago

    Lawrence Lek

    “Sinofuturism is an invisible movement. A spectre already embedded into a trillion industrial products, a billion individuals, and a million veiled narratives. It is a movement, not based on individuals, but on multiple overlapping flows. Flows of populations, of products, and of processes. Because Sinofuturism has arisen without conscious intention or authorship, it is often mistaken for contemporary China. But it is not. It is a science fiction that already exists.

    Sinofuturism is a video essay combining elements of science fiction, documentary melodrama, social realism, and Chinese cosmologies, in order to critique the present-day dilemmas of China and the people of its diaspora.

    With reference to Afrofuturism and Gulf Futurism, Sinofuturism presents a critical and playful approach to subverting cultural clichés.

    In Western media and Orientalist perceptions, China is exotic, strange, bizarre, kitsch, tacky, or cheap. In its domestic media, China portrayed as heroic, stable, historic, grand, and unified. Rather than counteract these skewed narratives, Sinofuturism proposes to push them much further.

    By embracing seven key stereotypes of Chinese society (Computing, Copying, Gaming, Studying, Addiction, Labour and Gambling), it shows how China’s technological development can be seen as a form of Artificial Intelligence.”

    Initially broadcast as part of Radio Study Day at Wysing Arts Centre, 21 August 2016.

    Thanks to: Joni Zhu, Steve Goodman, Gary Zhexi Zhang, Deforrest Brown, Samantha Culp, Justin Kim, Stephanie Bailey, Alvin Li, AVANT.org, After Us, Film & Video Umbrella, UCCA, Wysing Arts Centre

    Chinese Subtitles by Wenfei Wang for ‘The New Normal’, an exhibition at UCCA, Beijing.
    https://vimeo.com/179509486 «

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    My favorite part is probably the knock off brand ones, Honga instead of Honda.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/hgrant/23-hilariously-bad-knockoff-brands?utm_term=.jqJVBLK3OL#.liNYJ621w6

    How could one not love this?

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  • collen ryan Says:

    I think land has left the building- forever, I think he should have written a requiem for reaction before leaving. He can even steal my essay title (no one wants me writing essays) Maybe he cant see it yet, or cant see it for what it is, rather than what he resents happening. This will just be one of the last blogs to be ground up over the past several years. He and they want to discern the particularness of their white rage, But however they want to think of themselves theyre just some more resentful white guys. I first noticed the trend with television shows lke the Sopranos, there are now dozens of these shows and their artistic correlatives. They are always about RAGE, and how being sociopathic is liberating empowering and profitable. And how morality is bullshit fed to us by elites to keep us docile while they eat us alive. This is all neo reaction is its fan fiction for nerds with karate fantasies about revenge of the white (and some joo) nerds. But this is not a bad thing because life is imitating art and this genre is growing exponentially, Land can navel gaze at long list of neoreactionary blogs that have moved on, the inside gossip a little history and the obligatory hope, and it will be a fun read. But the real story is the growing white rage that reaction and the alt right are just harbingers of and how that will play out. cue nietzsche

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    Wagner Reply:

    I think Land is just overwhelmed by the recent shift right embodied by Trump. Before, we were just tinkering around in our garages, contemplating sealing the cracks and letting the muffler smoke, now – excuse the sentimentalism but it’s true: we have hope. Hope is scientific and COLD *and* PUNK anyway: we saw that Trump gave the Cathedral a good, kicking spanking on live television (effortlessly to boot), therefore it is possible a similar phenomenon can recur. He Rick James’d that bitch! Oops, I forgot sexism lowers the tone here at ExCess I mean XS. Trump took the whip to the Cathedral! That is what needs to be done. Now we have an example, good.

    “The first stone is decisive because it is the most difficult to throw. Why is it the most difficult to throw? Because it is the only one without a *model*… Once the first stone is thrown, thanks to to the courage of Apollonius, the second comes fairly fast, thanks to the example of the first; the third comes more quickly still because it has two models rather than one, and so on. As the models multiply, the rhythm of the stoning accelerates.” (Girard)

    Speaking of Girard, I think that Thiel mindfucks Land into thought-submission. But hey, who could really know what goes on in Land’s subconscious?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Yes we have hope, because we have momentum, our momentum is the lefts momentum, the left has crossed the event horizon, it has lost control. This was inevitable because there is no such thing as left equilibrium.

    This is why even trump doesn’t matter. I said last year he was simply john the baptists laying the axe at the root for the rough beast that comes.
    Moldbug was a slave philosophy dreaming of exit, but like all slaves fearing freedom. Reaction was the house nigger cautioning the field niggers not to get to uppity, to settle for a virtual exit.

    We can philosophize about political organization, the tensions between freedom and equality freedom and order, But its a biological fact white men are not good slaves, our hierarchies have to be as finely built as the machines we design.And whites simply can not thrive in multiculturalism, the evolutionary strategies we developed only work within all white nations, they are morbid exposed to tribal instinct.

    Besides the impossibility of opting out of our evolutionary path,we can not be hegemonic without our strategies, we would be crushed from below and above by the physically and mentally stronger. We rule as we developed to do,, or we die.

    Ironically its reaction and its forebears that point to the reality HBD as their starting point, but then cant hold their gaze into the abyss. There can be no halfway point, no compromise, compromise leads back to death. The antibiotic must be taken until the last of the bacteria is dead or the bacteria comes back stronger. This is what is starting to be realized, and the realization has metastasized. Its now inevitable There will almost certainly be war and pretty soon, within our lifetimes.Reaction can not see the inevitability because they dare not even think about the horror. Like the progs they equate merely contemplating the horror as stupid and evil, and so like the left they can not see how inevitable it is they can not see how all the exits are cut of, the die is cast.

    You can not exit a complex like the cathedral and leave it in the hands of niggers and jews they will use it to hunt you down and kill you.You can not suddenly opt out of the laws of white biology and turn 99% of whites into niggers, a hand full of them will kill you. Reaction might have become what they aspired to, the brains of the revolution but they were not worthy, they hadn’t the stomach for war, and oddly they hadn’t an alternative plan for a peaceful transition. they got hung up on this mythical exit. Because they simply cant face the reality that a compromise is simply not possible.

    Ironically this is probably because reaction is half jewish and the jews cant bring themselves to trust the non jews that white nationalism will include them. Jews are house niggers, they cant survive outside a white house, but inside they’re regular Uriah Heeps manipulating the master ever so umbly. reaction is simply house niggers of lower status attempting to climb. Ascend the tower, lol.

    We whites and joos alike cant bring ourselves to see these realities except through the glass of world war two and all the propaganda dredged up from the beginning of time to reinforce the post war memes. So any thought of whites simply living normally in their own nations like the rest of the world does is immediately thought of as the greatest evil imaginable an impossible monstrosity to hideous to contemplate.
    We could probably just place a full page ad in the new york times asking non whites to please leave peacefully with there property within two years and that would be all that was required if it was known we were resolute.

    Reaction is done stick a fork in it- get it nerds a fork

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Mr. C,

    What do you think of someone like Jared Taylor’s approach contra your warriorism? Granted, he is not an anti-semite.

    Wagner Reply:

    Bug-eyed frothy Dr. Nicholas J. Land: “Classical Liberalism, have I puritanically reminded you of Classical Liberalism lately?”

    Nietzsch: http://imgur.com/a/TbYn3

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @john hannon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMHEDd0H3WQ

    So watching this for what its Im convinced this guy has genuinely had a similar experiences as i have.That said seems like youre not hearing what he has to say.

    “In particular I’m trying to imagine how societies would be if nondual realization ever became a developmental norm rather than the rare exception it is now. Could they even survive beyond a few generations?” I can tell you unequivocally they wouldnt last ten minutes. You havnt really understood, Take this guy youre enamored of, hes not being non dual while hes enamoring you, in fact he lives most of his life dual. What hes describing as “the ocean” I used to call “the feeling” while every word he says rings true. Well let me tell you of of my stories, I happened to glance during one of these episodes that would sometimes last several months at some black plastic garbage bags on the ghettos street where i lived they were torn and garbage was spilled on the street which was filthy and I noticed there was dog shit as well and I realized it was all “alive” that it had the same energy I had that I was one with the garbage the plastic bag the dogshit. – yeah not as wonderful a story as this guys telling to these hippies but thats non duality. when he tells you it has nothing to do with spirituality listen the fuck up, its has no moral bias, I may be one with dog shit but that also means Im as important as dog shit putting me in an oven or gas chamber and transforming me into compost is no different than sponsoring me to live in an ashram. NO SERIOUSLY ZERO DIFFERENCE literally the fucking same thing. So this idea of a non dual civilization is an oxymoron.
    Obviously having these experiences makes one really try and well explain them rationally. Im an extremely rational person and while i am certain these experiences are “real” in as much as I know for certain i had paranormal “powers” I am still not convinced the “feeling part” is “true” in as much as so yes i was able to leave my body and see things I could not possibly have seen while in bed for instance, That doesnt mean that I am in fact not a separate me no matter how convincing the feeling is that i am not really. if i am not then the universe ceases to exist. castanada hints at some of this and may not be a fraud at least many of his techniques actually worked for me. In other words there is no universe iff there is no one to experience it it only exists in the sense that we experience it.Which sort of implies as long as you have an existence thats your purpose.to eschew the presence of existence for the semi waking experience of “non duality” is sort of fucking off. I used to explain that god maybe walks spirits into time space like indians used to walk horses into rivers to break them, that we are godlike but childlike and timespace is like a video game or a river where we can exercise these powers without really hurting anything you know murdering a few million jews no big dealing just flesh nothing real. It could also be by becoming conscious we are gods creating ourselves out of the void. well I could go on for decades like that guy does but he essentially says the same things over and over. Yeah I dont go to that place often anymore i know that might sound bizarre to one whos never been i sometimes say its like god took my hand and then i let it go to do something else. but if you really listen to this guy you would understand it doesnt really fucking matter I mean maybe this life of mine doesnt really fucking matter either but its what im going to do for now as long as i can. I have eternity to not exist. Unless castanada is correct that we can with enough skill hold on to our duality post this existence. I suspect it is possible and a fools errand but i will probably try cause playing the fool is what we do us beings

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Practically speaking non dual communities would be enslaved immediately by dual communities. In that egoless state you cannot effectively defend yourself trust me i know this you are a babe in the woods in that state, if the entire planet was in that state if we didnt starve or freeze which is likely we would probably vote to be like those japanese mumifies monks who progressively ate less and less until only a leaf a day and stayed in meditation for years until literally becoming mummies. it was impossible to tell at what point they ceased to live and many believe they have not that they are still in meditation. these are pretty amazing examples of what men have done with consciousness.

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