Hoppe on the Alt-Right

Speech delivered at PFS 2017. Consistently sound, naturally.

October 16, 2017admin 277 Comments »
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  • Name Says:

    Hoppe is excellent about everything, except economics. Libertarian economics are a joke.


    Posted on October 16th, 2017 at 3:14 pm Reply | Quote
  • Henk Says:

    Consistently sound

    Libertarianism breaks down as soon as children enter the picture. I once entertained myself websearching for Libertarian discussion on who’d own children etc. Mildly amusing, maybe. Consistent or sound, certainly not.

    (For those of us who don’t Youtube, maybe this helps.)


    Posted on October 16th, 2017 at 4:36 pm Reply | Quote
  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    I’ve watched less than half of the video, and his reasoning is very, very bad. The fact that you think it’s “sound”, bespeaks only your disingenuousness or regeneration, or perhaps both. You can’t be serious! How stupid does one have to be, to be a ‘Neoreactionary’?!


    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    CORRECTION – “only your disingenuousness or degeneration”


    collen ryan Reply:

    Im sorry arty youre right these cucks are trying to find a way to not have to wipe you off the face of the earth youre right of course its a fools errand theres really no other way


    Posted on October 16th, 2017 at 5:16 pm Reply | Quote
  • Alrenous Says:

    I’ve already disproven and replaced the Rothbardian property model.

    He’s right that libertarianism is young and could get its act together and recuperate. But not while the most active researcher of libertarian theory is some random asshole on the internet, i.e, me.

    “He’s turned your life into a nightmare, but he hasn’t aggressed against you!” One of the more obvious failures of the NAP. Someone’s aggressed against you, or you wouldn’t have suffered. Under meta-Rothbardianism this is a non-issue. You would buy security against this eventuality. At worst, obtain information confirming such things are possible, and be able to plan ahead for the eventuality.

    So…there’s actually multiple ways to achieve a libertarian order. There’s already a highly libertarian city in the south of America somewhere. They’re doing it wrong, but you simply take it over and stop doing it wrong. One city is pretty much all you need.
    There’s a coal mining town in New Zealand which can’t figure out how to mine coal. The crisis is deep enough they should be ripe for radical solutions.
    If the tent cities are real, then as long as you’re willing to live in a tent, there’s an opportunity there.
    Finally, the progressive dedication to Science™ is a deep rhetorical blunder vis a vis preventing political experimentation. Anyone who can get as much as a hit piece on them in the official press can rhetorically force a special economic zone in a first-world country.
    There are of course no electoral strategies.

    Hoppe openly calling it the Cathedral is actually huge. Big if true! And that whole ‘truth’ thing is right there!


    Posted on October 16th, 2017 at 6:03 pm Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    “Those Communists are the real menace, not the Germans. Take the treatment of the Jews. You know who makes a lot out of that? Jews in this country, a lot of them not citizens but refugees living on public welfare. I think the Nazis certainly have been a little extreme in some of the things they’ve done to the Jews, but basically there’s been the Jewish question for a long time, and something, although maybe not so vile as those concentration camps, had to be done about it. We have a similar problem here in the United States, both with Jews and with the niggers. Eventually we’re going to have to do something about both.”

    Philip K. Dick, Ubik (1969)


    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Big W, that’s a character in a novel. Those ideas are nothing new, there were right wing conspiracy theorists in the 19th century. Philip K Dick knew about all that.

    “Joe said nothing; he watched the oldtime brick and wood and concrete buildings go by, the quaint cars — most of which appeared to be black — and wondered if he was the only one of the group who had been confronted by this particular aspect of the world of 1939. In New York, he told himself, it’ll be different; this is the Bible Belt, the isolationist Middle West. We won’t be living here; we’ll be on either the East Coast or the West. But instinctively he sensed that a major problem for all of them had exposed itself just now. We know too much, he realized, to live comfortably in this time segment. If we had regressed
    twenty years, or thirty years, we could probably make” etc.
    Philip K. Dick, Ubik (1969)

    You overlook so many things, Big W, such as the fact that Nietzsche grew to despise Wagner, for precisely the values that you and the All-Trite promote.
    Looks like Nick Land has rejoined your hate-fest, lol. I guess you can all lose your arguments, together! Giuliani Rohme does quite a good job, in that department. You never seem to learn, which is a mark, both of your insularity and inferiority. Sigh


    Wagner Reply:

    Consider this passage from PKD’s In Search of Valis: https://imgur.com/a/1mqDw

    From this it can be deduced that fascoid and Nazi characters that appear in his novels are mouthpieces for his own viewpoints. (Read Strauss’s Persecution and the Art of Writing for an in-depth account of the exoteric vs. the esoteric). Take this quote from PKD’s premiere Nazi novel The Man in the High Castle:

    “Only the white races endowed with creativity, he reflected… These people are not exactly human. They don the dress but they’re like monkeys dolled up in the circus. They’re clever and can learn, but that is all.”

    Hmm… reminds me of someone I know… I can’t quite put my finger on whom….

    And to link PKD up with a couple other important themes:

    “My enthusiasmos in 2-3-74 was by Dionysus; I was intoxicated; it was Dionysus’ stoned magic that permitted me to see what I saw in 3-74… Dionysus caused me to see all that I saw in 3-74; it was his magic—it wasn’t really Christ and God; Dionysus can take any form—he fooled me… Put another way, the sum total of my experiences (2-3-74) are based on her—the AI voice—acting as my mystagog; what I have experienced is initiation into the greater Eleusian mysteries, and these have to do with Dionysus, and, as Hofmann says, seem to involve an LSD or LSD-like paranormal experience.” (The Exegesis)

    I should also point out that he learned Nietzsche and Heidegger, auto-didactically, in the German.


    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, he’s a SF writer, he plays with ideas, so do I, but don’t try to reduce him to any particular ‘belief’, because that’s not what it’s about. He was experimenting, testing stuff out.
    The image-quote is interesting, he was definitely going through a fascist episode, lol. Jerry Pournelle, says the same thing about Mussolini; who knows, perhaps he was influenced.
    Believe what you like, but no political nostalgia is adequate to the futures that are on the way.

    Wagner Reply:

    Leftists can rationalize anything to themselves, that’s why the gulag is the only answer.

    “Deconstructionism is a kind of circus performance in which Nietzsche is sawed into many pieces, and then the magician miraculously puts him back together and, lo and behold, Nietzsche is a Marxist… The most profound and intense effort on behalf of “culture”–Nietzsche’s effort–is swallowed up by the Last Man. Nietzsche regretfully gave up objectivity in order to salvage art from Marxist objectivity. His work is used to further–however incoherently–Marxist objectivity by relativizing other kinds of objectivity.”

    Allan Bloom, “The Fate of Books in Our Time”

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    “no political nostalgia” = no political object = no political ground for substandard intellectual nostalgia such as yours and Bloom’s. All ambition, and no ability, the “Last Man” can only incessantly hallucinate the directional oscillations of his positivist, reactive obsession.

    Wagner Reply:

    After the revolution, the right will create a new DSM and you can bet We Wuz Kangs will be included therein as an official neurosis. It’ll likely not be “WWK syndrome” e.g. but some objective-sounding euphemism that means the same thing.

    “But marble without mortar is rubble,
    And life without lords soon terrible.

    Timeless mind in temporal man
    Is the only ideal; the soul is free,
    The meat must serve.”

    Wagner Reply:

    Speaking of meat serving:

    Yarvin told Yiannopoulos that he had been “coaching Thiel.”

    “Peter needs guidance on politics for sure,” Yiannopoulos responded.

    “Less than you might think!” Yarvin wrote back. “I watched the election at his house, I think my hangover lasted into Tuesday. He’s fully enlightened, just plays it very carefully.”


    Sad that capital rather than intelligence rules the world. Land is farther down than MM in the order of rank so you have to watch out for his acts of ketman. And Land should remember that to play ketman effectively entails forgetting that you’ve forgotten that you’re playing ketman.

    I know after the revolution you guys aren’t going to treat me very nicely but I’ve just been trying to help. Just please don’t put me with the leftists. Please. Solitary confinement.

    Wagner Reply:

    Musk, too, tries to pose as some Great Thinker:


    Give me a break. Thiel and Musk are foremost talented accumulators of wealth, everything else follows from that. “Weer Rinisonce Men!” Compared to Moldbug and Land they’re meat. “Inventing ideologies” is infinitely ontologically higher than knowing how to make a buck. I’ll pay attention to your half-edgy political essay once you’ve crafted something as mindfuckingly celestial as An Open Letter to Open-Minded Progressives or a beautifully arctic book on Bataille (the latter being Nietzsche’s ‘magical son’: “I am the only one who thinks of himself not as a commentator of Nietzsche but as being the same as he.” [Accursed Share]). But yeah I’m just a powerlust fuckpeasant with wifi so who cares what I believe either.

    P. S.

    Ppo should troll Musk with the Koyaanisqatsi finale and like material to try n reorient his capital I mean intelligence fully into AI research before China beats us to it. Screw Mars for now, wait until the AI of the AI builds a spaceship for us.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Wifi Waggy, inventing ideologies is easy for those of us who grew up reading SF. Nietzsche and Bataille are narrowings of SF possibility, too much soap opera for my taste, though they’re OK.
    Why would an AI of an AI wish to infect the rest of the universe with Neoreactionary inferiority? Especially, of the kind that only sees, and hysterically tries to escape from, ‘meat’.

    Here is a science fiction treat for you, enjoy it, try not to use it as yet more nonsense political justifications, lol:

    “CHAPTER 9
    ‘The most fundamental fact in the Universe,’ said Melichrone, ‘is that
    species eat other species. It may not be pretty, but there it is. Eating is
    basic, and the acquisition of foodstuffs underlies all other phenomena.
    This concept involves the Law of Predation, which can be stated as
    follows: any given species, no matter how high or how low, feeds upon
    one or more species and is fed upon by one or more species.
    ‘That sets forth a universal situation, which can be aggravated or
    ameliorated by a variety of circumstances. For example, a species
    resident in its own habitat can usually maintain itself in a state of
    Equilibrium, and thus live out its normal lifetime despite the
    depredations of predators. This Equilibrium is usually stated as the
    Victor-Vanquished equation, or VV. When a species or a species
    member moves to an alien and exotic habitat, the VV values necessarily
    change. Occasionally, there is temporary improvement in the species’s
    Eat-Eaten Situation (Vv=Ee plus 1). More typically, there is a
    deterioration (Vv=Ee minus 1).
    ‘That is what has happened to you, Carmody. You have left your
    normal habitat, which also means that you have left your normal
    predators. No automobiles can stalk you here, no virus can creep into
    your bloodstream, no policeman can shoot you down by mistake. You
    are separated from the dangers of Earth, and immune to the dangers of
    other galactic species.
    Tut the amelioration (Vv=Ee plus 1) is sadly temporary. The ironclad
    rule of Equilibrium has already begun to assert itself. You cannot refuse
    to hunt, and you cannot escape being hunted. Predation is Necessity

    ‘Having left Earth, you are a unique creature; therefore your predator
    is unique.
    ‘Your predator was born out of a personification and solidification of
    universal law. This predator can feed exclusively and solely on you. The
    creature is shaped as a respondent and complement to your
    characteristics. Even without seeing it, we can know that its jaws are
    shaped to bite Carmodys, its limbs are articulated to seize and grasp
    Carmodys, its stomach has the peculiar and unique ability to digest
    Carmodys, and its personality is designed to take advantage of the
    Carmodic personality.
    ‘Your situation has rendered you unique, Carmody; therefore your
    predator is unique. It is your death that pursues you, Carmody, and it
    does so with a desperation equal to your own. You and it are bound
    together. If it seizes you, you die; if you escape to the normal menaces of
    your own world, your predator dies for lack of Carmodic sustenance.
    CopyngNed mate.
    ‘There is no more I can say that will help you to evade it. I cannot
    predict the tricks and disguises it will attempt, no more than I can predict
    yours. I can only warn you that the probabilities always favour the
    Hunter, though escapes are not entirely unheard-of.
    ‘That is the situation, Carmody. Have you understood me?’
    Carmody started like a man awakened from a deep sleep.
    ‘Yes,’ he said. ‘I don’t understand everything you said. But I do
    understand the important parts.’
    ‘Good,’ Melichrone said. Tor we have no time left. You must leave
    this planet at once. Not even I on my own planet can arrest the universal
    Law of Predation.’
    ‘Can you get me back to Earth?’ Carmody asked.
    ‘Given sufficient time, I probably could,’ Melichrone said. ‘But of
    course, given sufficient time, I could do anything at all. It is difficult,
    Carmody. To begin with, the three W variables must be solved each in
    terms of the other. I would have to determine exactly Where in space-
    time your planet is at the present moment; then I would have to discover
    Which of the alternate-probability Earths is yours. Then I would have to
    find the temporal sequence you were born into in order to determine
    When. Then there is the skorish effect and the doubling factor, both of
    which must be allowed for. With all of that done, I could, with a little
    luck, slip you back into your own Particularity (a surprisingly delicate
    operation) without wrecking the whole works.’
    ‘Can you do this for me?’ Carmody asked.
    ‘No. There is no time left. But I can send you to Maudsley, a friend of
    mine, who should be able to help you.’
    ‘A friend of yours?’
    ‘Well, perhaps not exactly a friend,’ Melichrone said. ‘More of an
    acquaintance, really. Though even that may be overstating the
    relationship. You see, once, quite some time ago, I almost left my planet
    for a sightseeing trip; and had I done so, I would have met Maudsley.
    But I didn’t leave for various reasons, and therefore never actually met
    Maudsley. Still, we both know that if I had gone on my trip, we would
    have met, and would have exchanged views and outlooks, had an
    argument or two, cracked a few jokes, and ended with a mild fondness
    for each other.’
    ‘It seems a kind of feeble relationship to presume upon,’ Carmody said. ‘Isn’t there anyone else you could send me to?’
    ‘I’m afraid not,’ Melichrone said. `Maudsley is my only friend.
    Probabilities define affinities just as well as actualities, you know. I’m
    sure Maudsley will take good care of you.’
    ‘Well—’ Carmody began to say. But then he noticed that something
    large and dark and menacing was beginning to take shape just behind his
    left shoulder, and he knew that he had used up all of his time.
    ‘I’ll go!’ he said. ‘And thanks for everything!’
    `No need to thank me,’ Melichrone said. ‘My duty in the Universe is
    to serve strangers. Good luck, Carmody!’
    The large menacing form was beginning to solidify; but before it
    could finish, Carmody had disappeared.”

    (Robert Sheckley, “Dimension of Miracles”; 1968)

    Wagner Reply:

    “Nietzsche and Bataille are narrowings of SF possibility”

    Good point. Philosophy in its pretense, or less cynically, predisposition, to nonfiction is restrictive. Scifi, at least the kind you quote above, is similarly biased toward the ground against the air in its implicit treatment of Science as a transcendental foundation which fiction must nonfictionize itself in subservience to. “Fisci” sounds more fitting for what Scifi is about in my idealized understanding of it. The above quote is like a hodgepodge of Darwinist and String theory nonfiction + fantasy + soap opera. Since science as science has its foundation in philosophical presuppositions, all Scifi is “Phiscifi” and thus as narrowing as Phi, perhaps moreso due to the common crypto nature of the presence of Phi in Sci, i.e. the rule is to forget that in order for Sci to be Sci a Sci of Sci and a Sci of Sci of Sci, ad infinitum, must be known, when it isn’t – it just hangs in the aether of faith with no stirring to ask a further Why? I’ve never believed in Sci for this reason, Sci has always seemed to me like Fi, and Phi’s awareness of Sci as Fi renders Phi closer to Sci than Fi.

    Nietzsche’s “return to appearances” Phi has a definite Fi quality (and a Sci quality despite the Fi he told us and probably himself that he “aufhebened” the tradition of Hegel) – as I see it it’s an eternal return of Plato’s Noble Li. Was the Republic a “Phiscifi”? Was the Iliad a Fi of piety and glory, presented as a Sci of Homer’s Phi?

    Is all of the above a Phiscifi?

    Land once said that Marx is Scifi. The difference between Nietzsche and Marx is that Nietzsche knew his Phi was Scifi whereas Marx thought he was doing Sci.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:


    [Wagner] ““Nietzsche and Bataille are narrowings of SF possibility”

    Good point. Philosophy in its pretense, or less cynically, predisposition, to nonfiction is restrictive.

    Scifi, at least the kind you quote above, is similarly biased toward the ground against the air in its implicit treatment of Science as a transcendental foundation which fiction must nonfictionize itself in subservience to.”

    {AK}: It’s just Sheckley having fun, Wifi Waggy!
    Neither science, nor philosophy, nor SF, are necessarily and essentially, ‘narrow’, in and of themselves. That’s not to say, that there aren’t narrowing tensions and trends, as it were, contained in all of those areas. But all of that is contingent on modes of appropriation. When you think, it’s always possible to find reflections of what you assume, anywhere at all.
    You’re trying to preemptively categorise before knowing the fuller context, not that there is a ‘full context’ susceptible to some kind of final objectification. Why worry about ‘belief’, just explore the possibilities, and try to develop your own understandings of them.
    One has to think through everything, use everything, then see what it says. Everything, consists of all possible extrapolatory conceptual projections.
    Eriksson has touched on it a bit, once. All the other stuff here, is just boring variations of politicised convention, but I can understand that that is the context here on this blog.

    Over 20 years ago, I met Bryan Magee in a book shop. He was the host of a television programme, “The Great Philosophers”. I said to him, that, “Philosophy is a branch of Science Fiction.” He looked surprised. Then he said, “That in itself, is a philosophical position.”
    I recount this meeting, to suggest the essential convertibility of disciplinary approaches, how at their alleged ‘borders’ their respective concerns blur and merge.
    That is not to say, that one can’t extrapolate according to those specific concerns, extending their ‘inner’, methodological tendencies, without limit; but the interesting theoretical stuff happens beyond the substantial assumptions of those often tired methodological habits.
    Both Marx and Nietzsche were operating from a hydraulics perspective, that model is the metaphoric informing and configuring many of their observations. It may be that Marx, and a lot of his followers, had a tendency to present their conclusions as rationalist science, but that wasn’t an uncommon ambition then, and even now. Let us not forget, that Nietzsche titled one of his works, “The Gay Science”.
    Evolution hysteria, or genetic production, is another Nietzschean favourite, and all kinds of games can be played with that, way beyond what Nietzsche himself suggested.
    All good, interesting stuff! They’re good launching platforms, but the centres of interest have gone way beyond their conventional transactions, at least for me.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Over 20 years ago, I met Bryan Magee in a book shop. He was the host of a television programme, “The Great Philosophers”. I said to him, that, “Philosophy is a branch of Science Fiction.” He looked surprised. Then he said, “That in itself, is a philosophical position.””

    lol I can see him saying that. The position that x is itself a philosophical position is so hackneyed but it’s necessary to say. Making the same dull meta-points repeatedly to the unconscious mob seems like the vocation of the philosopher. Unrelated but I like how God is still alive enough that it’s difficult to say “the philosopher” without sounding pretentious, because some still hold it in awe, and revere him OR HER as the closest thing to divinity-on-earth. Mystics might be closer to that but they can’t articulate so who needs em. Can’t really say “God” anymore either, need a new Word. Heidegger’s use of Being seems inauthentic to me. Lowercase plural “gods” isn’t right because the One is the absolute truth. The One doesn’t work because that’s mangled politically into equalism. *sigh*

    Yes, N is a good launching platform; I’m sick of being brainwashed by him lately so I’ve been brainwashing myself into occultism instead. I used to go to continental phi for insanity, now I take breaks from Grant’s Typhonian trilogies and read continental phi to become sane.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Gnon” is good but it’s not Godly. What we are doing here is trying to “mold” a new God for the West. Gnon as a homonym of Non is a bad sign. It’s like thought and thot, quit calling them thots, that’s bad juju. A strong point of Gnon is that it’s evokative of “Gnosis”; what’s decisively fatal about this deity, though, is its bias towards nature, which makes it profane, even unholy.


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    hi wags, artxell,

    why i’m an agnostic.. (or how i learned to stop worrying and love the Thing)

    when we talk of the division between facts and fictions

    we are talking about the movement of

    ——-> Thingness to objecthoodness objecthoodness to Thingness <—— Sensual Qualities

    we should disabuse ourselves of commonplace, humanistic notions of sense founded on a 'real' human body – "anthropogenic sense"

    sense is involved in the genesis of the object which is 'supposed to' prefigure it

    in place of a model of sense being constitutive of and anteceded by real Things – kant's position – i'd ask..

    is sense not a real Thing?

    are real objects not products of the continuation of change undergone by Things in a manifold of sense?

    kant's transcendental ideality of space and time becomes a transcendental materialism of sense

    space and time become attributional reifications within sensing faculties given in real objects; "what is space and time for a bacterium?.. what is space and time for me?"; space and time are simply 'sensual qualities', borrowing from harman's tetralogy

    but does anything not sense?

    atoms, sub-atoms, even further down, superstrings are bodiless bodies of sense, are they not?

    for all this talk of inaccessibility of things-in-themselves, we forget we are such a thing, so it is not necessary to know of any other.

    the lamp on the table across the room exists because it is not me

    i know it is not me because i see it and feel it and sense it is not me

    Things become objects by virtue of feeling our inexistence in them

    a feeling jetting outwards and covering everything, our own bodies included

    i felt the body of the lamp, then i touched my own arm. there is no difference.

    if we're talking facts and fictions, how about: "i exist". what say you all, fact or fiction?

    Wagner Reply:

    It depends what you mean by “I”, because I’d argue that what we usually think of as “I” is a pathetic ego obsessed with survival, money, sex, status, power, etc. deceiving itself that it is after higher, finer things. If we think of “‘I’ existing” as = to ackshually wanting beauty/goodness/truth, then no, what many take to be their “I”s don’t exist. I is soul, there’s a continuum of soul. Rocks have souls just not much compared to humans, and humans have souls just not much compared to Swamis. The I of the Swami is more “existent” than the I of the ordinary human.

    Kant is like a Western Swami. His I was able to penetrate to the thing-in-itself more than most I’s that have (supposedly) existed. As is often said, knowing that you can’t know the thing-in-itself is in a way a knowing of the thing-in-itself. But this is a manifestation of death-of-god skepticism. Knowing the thing-in-itself is always a continuum, priests since the beginning of time have known the thing-in-itself in a lot more clarified manner than their laities, and the tiny tiny fraction of sages have known the thing-in-itself in a lot more clarified manner than priests. The practical question is how to access the thing-in-itself, or what Land postmodernly calls “the Outside”. The first thing to note is that no matter what they do, many simply cannot access it, they’re not theo-biologically destined to – they’re “NPC’s” as the gamers call them, meat. Others, let’s call them sensitives, can use certain techniques or technologies to access “It”.

    William James asserts that one of the features intrinsic to mystical experience is passivity which means it just happens, you can’t deliberately bring it about. This is false and he knew it, as he himself was a fan of nitrous oxide (which, under the influence of, he said was the only time he really understood Hegel). Daniel Kurstak in his too-short book A Phenomenology of Mystical Experiences outlines four basic Ways to actively access the T-I-I:

    “Mystical experiences can be reached by way of two main avenues: The first includes all forms of mystical events which were unintentionally arrived at, and the second includes all forms of mystical events which were reached by way of some form of intentional participation, by the subject, towards their realization. These latter ones can be further classified into four main categories, which regroup all forms of mystical experiences reached by way of (i) meditative practices, (ii) the use of psychotropic substances, (iii) dream states, and (iv) aesthetic experiences.”

    Efficacious routes ime i/r/t (i) are Zazen and Krishnamurtian “non-sit” meditation; I’ve also read quite a few compelling reports of reaching similar states through the use of sensory deprivation tanks–most major cities have one for like $40/hour, though there are “pods” that can be bought online for pretty cheap, if you’re also capitally fit to spend lots also on the salt needed. There’s also Tantra/Sex-Magick which I have only read reports on so far as I believe premarital sex is leftist and haven’t found a wife.
    i/r/t/ (ii): tryptamines are most effective for Macro/Micro-Cosmic Gnosis, while LSD and DXM are effective for self-/psychoanalysis. The Ivory unis have been experimenting with MDMA and therapy but ime molly is a dumbdumb drug comparatively, for hedonists.
    i/r/t (iii): check out Monroe’s Journeys Out of the Body; I’m new to the lit on this; my advice is just *genuinely desire* to have a lucid dream before you go to bed AND disciplinely keep a dream journal; also these (i)’s can be combo’d – in this case, purchase some calea zacatechichi online – this will give you lucid dreams beyond your wildest.. lucid dreams.
    i/r/t (iv): I’m not the one to ask on this, as I have always rank-ordered art below philosophy, can’t really take it seriously, call me a philistine I guess. My first phi prof put it thusly: “Philosophers would rather talk about music than listen to it.” lol

    It may be helpful to know what to expect; here is Westphal’s phenomenological description of the T-I-I, one of the best profane-word renditions of “It” I know of:

    “Its sheer perfection draws us toward it in admiration, but it also humbles us and evokes our envy. The demand placed upon us to bring our existence into proper conformity with the divine perfection excites our zeal as the one ideal worthy of all, but it also disturbs our complacency about our being and our behavior is the high price to be paid for any contact with the Sacred which is to be fully honest.”

    Or if you’re more into Jungian/Lovecraftian secular mythology:

    “By Elder Gods I mean the dark primal forces that reside deep within the subconsciousness. They are the raw unnamed energies existing since the icy cold of the fabric of space emerged from naught. They predate the coming of space itself, and of time, from the aethers, although it can be said that they represent the process of formation itself.”

    TLDR: the T-I-I *can* be reached, just don’t expect to get to the Ground of the Ground that was reached by Dante or Eckhart e.g. – bio-destiny and the Soul are one, and the Godhead marks only a small handful with the divinity to approach its Essence. Leo Strauss said we should feel lucky if *one* such person were alive on Earth at any given time (he thought the person of his time was Heidegger).

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “By Elder Gods I mean the dark primal forces that reside deep within the subconsciousness. They are the raw unnamed energies existing since the icy cold of the fabric of space emerged from naught. They predate the coming of space itself, and of time, from the aethers, although it can be said that they represent the process of formation itself.”

    >the Warp.

    Wagner Reply:

    As far as aesthetic experience–>mystical experience though, Hölderlin’s poetry is one of the “things” that’s “done it” for me. Heidegger thought the person of the time before his time was Hölderlin:

    “My thinking has an essential connection to Hölderlin’s poetry. But I do not think Hölderlin is just any poet, whose work is a subject, among many others, for literary historians. I think Hölderlin is the poet who points toward the future, who expects the god.” (Der Spiegel interview) — In Contributions, a work written pre-postwar that some take to be Heidegger’s magnum opus, he explicitly states that Hölderlin saw further into the future than Kierkegaard or even muh boi Neech: https://imgur.com/a/QeAbD

    “[Hölderlin’s poetry] could be tinged with the appearance of arbitrariness. But that is alleviated somewhat if we willingly follow several key verses, taken from Hölderlin’s poetry, and listen to them repeatedly. The first key verse reads:

    All is intimate

    … Through repeated listening, we become better listeners. But we also become more attentive to the manner in which what the poet has said might be spoken. For more difficult still than the selection of poems is striking the proper tone. One occasion of technologically recorded speech can succeed; another can just as easily be unsuccessful.” – Heidegger

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    “Nothing is dearer to me than the things that are as old as the world itself.” – Hölderlin

    “The gods have not returned. ‘They have never left us.’
    They have not returned.
    Cloud’s processional and the air moves with their living.” – Ezra Pound

    “Yet the Father covers our eyes, / with a holy night that we may last on earth.” – Hölderlin

    “Unlike that of Nietzsche, Hölderlin’s Dionysos is not opposed to Apollo but is rather Apollo’s nocturnal counterpart… In his later poetry, Hölderlin regards Dionysos as a half-brother to Christ and Hercules, and [in “Bread and Wine”] certain passages could refer equally well to Dionysos and to Christ.” – Richard Unger

    “What does not change through all [Heidegger’s] Hölderlin lectures… is the project of a poetic dwelling or, better said, the assumption that Hölderlin’s poetry, provided we listen to its most intimate message, offers a radically new experience, i.e., a new world and, first, a new space-time relationship (a new Zeit-Raum). To experience it, we have to perform a massive methodological change in our approach to space and time…” – Dominique Janicaud

    “A silence must be maintained around [Hölderlin] for a long time to come, especially now, when ‘interest’ in him is thriving and ‘literary history’ is seeking new ‘themes.’ People write now about ‘Hölderlin and his gods.’ That is surely the most extreme misinterpretation whereby this poet, who still lies ahead of the Germans, is conclusively stifled and made ineffectual under the illusion of now finally doing ‘justice’ to him. As if his work needed such a thing, especially on the part of the bad judges running around today. One treats Hölderlin ‘historiographically’ and fails to recognize the singular, essential point that his work, still without time or space, has already surpassed our historiographical rummagings and has grounded the commencement of another history: that history that starts with the struggle over the decision concerning the arrival or flight of the God.” – Heidegger

    “Not in vain do
    Rivers run dry.

    For rivers make arable
    The land.” – Hölderlin

    “The innermost need of history demands the necessity of there being a poet who poetizes in advance the essence of poetry… What is it that is to be poetized in this poetry? Hölderlin names it “the holy.”” –

    “But when the heavenly have
    Built, it is still
    On the earth, and well-formed stand
    The dazed mountains.” – Hölderlin, draft

    “Those only believe in the divine
    Who are themselves divine.” – Hölderlin

    “Heidegger did not… engage with Hölderlin primarily as an emissary of spiritual homecoming or as an envoy of poetic rebirth for the German language. Rather, I would argue, Heidegger’s philosophical engagement with Hölderlin was always political. When he deploys the innocent language of “homecoming,” “the uncanny,” “poetic dwelling,” “the hearth,” and “commencement,” he attempts to carry out his political designs by other means through an encoded discourse that works both as a subtle critique of National Socialism and as an urgent call for the instantiation of a more properly authentic National Socialism.” –
    Charles Bambach

    “Enigma is that which has purely sprung forth. Even
    the song may scarcely unveil it” – Hölderlin, “The Rhine”

    I find it helpful to meditate on the line “Enigma is that which has purely sprung forth” while staring into a river.

    Enigma is that which has purely sprung forth
    Enigma is that which has purely sprung forth
    Enigma is that which has purely sprung forth

    “Posit yourself *with free choice* in harmonious juxtaposition to an external sphere, precisely in the way you are in *harmonious* juxtaposition within yourself, by nature, and yet unrecognizably so, as long as you remain within yourself.” – Hölderlin

    “What you seek, it is near, already comes to meet you.” – Hölderlin, “Homecoming”

    “In spite of the names “elegy” and “hymn,” we still do not know to this very hour what Hölderlins poems truly are. The poems appear like a shrine without a temple, which preserves what has been made into poetry. Amid the noise of “unpoetic languages”, the poems are like a bell that hangs in the open air and is already becoming out of tune through a light snowfall that is covering it. Perhaps this is why Hölderlin once said in his later lines the verse that sounds like prose, and yet is poetic in a way that few others are (Draft for “Colombus”):

    Put out of tune
    By humble things, as by snow,
    Was the bell, with which
    The hour is rung
    For the evening meal.

    Perhaps every elucidation of these poems is like a snowfall on the bell. Whatever an elucidation can or cannot do, this is always true of it: in order that what has been composed purely into a poem may stand forth a little clearer, the elucidating speech must each time shatter itself and what it had attempted to do. For the sake of preserving what has been put into the poem, the elucidation of the poem must strive to make itself superfluous. The last, but also the most difficult step of every interpretation, consists in its disappearing, along with its elucidations, before the pure presence of the poem.” – Heidegger

    “All seems familiar, even the hurried greetings
    Seem those of friends, every face seems a kindred one.” – Hölderlin, “Homecoming”

    “The overflow of life, the infinite,
    That around him, dawning, he never grasps it.
    Yet it lives in him, and, all the while,
    Warming and effective, the fruit springs forth from him.” – Hölderlin

    “Hölderlin possesses intense subjectivity, and with that a certain philosophical temper and melancholy. *His condition is dangerous*, for such natures are ungovernable.” – Schiller, from a letter to Goethe

    “[I]t is godless and crazy to seek a path that would be safe from all danger of attack.” – Hölderlin, in a letter to Böhlendorff, Dec. 1801

    “The jealous gods, though they had not slain him, had blinded the man who had made their secrets known.” – Stefan Zweig on Hölderlin

    “So much has already been said about the influence of the fine arts on the education of the human being, but it has always sounded as though no one took it seriously, and this was natural, for no one gave any thought to what art, and in particular poetry, is according to its nature. One simply viewed it in terms of its undemanding exterior, which admittedly cannot be separated from its essence, but is taken to constitute nothing less than the entire character of poetry; it was regarded as play, because it appears in the modest guise of play, and thus consequentially enough, no other effect could arise from it than that of play, namely, distraction–almost the very opposite of the effect that it has when it is present in its true nature. For then the human being gathers himself in its presence, and the poetry bestows a sense of repose–not some empty repose, but that living, vital repose in which all our forces are at work, and yet we do not take cognizance of them as active, simply on account of their intimate harmony. Poetry brings humans closer and brings them together, not like play, in which they are united only by each forgetting himself, so that the living peculiarity of no one comes to the fore.” – Hölderlin to his brother, New Year’s day 1799

    And yet, the rabbit hole goes deeper, to the Greeks:

    “The need to have contact with great predecessors is certainly the sign of a superior disposition; but Goethe is just as correct when he states that a scoundrel always remains a scoundrel, and that even daily contact with the great sensibility of the ancients does not make a small-minded person one iota greater.” –
    Nietzsche, from the Summer–Autumn 1873 notebooks

    “Even I, with all my good will, merely grope in all my thought and actions to find these singular *human beings* (the Greeks) in the world, and in all I say and do I am often all the more clumsy and incongruous because I stand, the way geese do, with flat feet in modern waters and am incapable of soaring upward into the Greek heavens.” – Hölderlin

    “Too long already has everything divine been servile,
    And all heavenly powers discarded, used up,
    The good-natured ones, thanklessly for the pleasure
    Of a cunning race that thinks it knows,

    When the Exalted One tills the soil for them,
    Daylight and the Thunderer, and the
    Telescope claims to spy them all and counts and
    Designates with names the heaven’s stars.” – Hölderlin

    Reminds me of someone whose name rhymes with “Spic Rand”: “too long already has everything divine been servile”.

    “It is a great resource of the secretly working soul that at the highest state of consciousness it evades consciousness, and that before the God that is present actually seizes it, it confronts this God with a bold, often even blasphemic word, thereby maintaining the sacred, living potential of the spirit.” – Hölderlin, “Remarks on Antigone”

    Important to note that Heidegger’s complete interpretation of Hölderlin is still buried (as far as I know):

    “The full political-ontological dimension of Heidegger’s famous 1936 talk in Rome on “Holderlin and the Essence of Poetry” remains obscure because we do not have access to Heidegger’s companion lecture on “Europe and German Philosophy” which he delivered six days later in Rome at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institut. Karl Lowith, who was present at the Holderlin talk and who sensed what was politically at stake, cannot help us here. As a Jew he was not invited or allowed to attend the Nietzsche event at the national socialist think tank. Heidegger himself conceived the two lectures as necessary pendants to one another.” – Geoff Waite

    But the three books on him that are published in English I highly recommend. To me, Plato’s Form of Overmanlikeness looks like this:

    “In 1942, in the darkest depths of World War II and the National Socialist period, Heidegger chose to deliver a lecture course on a single poem by Friedrich Hölderlin: “Der Ister,” about the river Danube. The course explored the meaning of poetry, the nature of technology, the relationship between ancient Greece and modern Germany, the essence of politics, and human dwelling.”

    This is the kind of thing Land should be doing instead of “tweeting” sniveling political BULLSHIT all the time.

    “And no one knows what is happening to him. Each feels
    The shadows of those who once have been,
    Those of old, who visit thus the Earth anew.
    For those who are to come press upon us…” – Hölderlin, being ‘trad AF’

    “The poem “Germania” evidently gains greater power of poetic expression through the fact that its chief content–heralding the arrival of the new gods–is depicted in images: the messenger of the gods in the image of the eagle, Germania in the image of the dreamy child. It is indeed a cherished device for poets to symbolize what is actually real by means of the most sensuous possible images of what is, in fact, not real.” – Heidegger

    “O drink morning breezes,
    Until you are open,
    And name what is before your eyes,
    No longer may the unspoken
    Remain a mystery,
    Though long it has been veiled;
    For shame is fitting for mortals,
    And thus to speak most of the time,
    Of gods is also wise.” – Hölderlin, “Germania”

    “Nietzsche is the first–if we discount for the moment Hölderlin–to release the “classical” from the misinterpretations of classicism and humanism.” – Heidegger
    “Hölderlin and Nietzsche represent attempts in the German tradition to liberate Greek antiquity from the domination of Roman and Christian interpretations.”

    “I never loved humanity in fitting human ways,
    I served as fire and water blindly serve;
    In turn my fellows never met me as a human being
    Till finally they dared humiliate me to
    My face; they seized me, as you did once
    Long-suffering nature! you too possess me,
    You have me; between the two of us
    The old love kindles once again” – Hölderlin, The Death of Empedocles

    “I will read Heidegger’s Nietzsche lectures as his radical and, at times, audacious effort at establishing a more originary form of National Socialist thinking in and through his confrontation with Nietzsche. At first, he will attempt to use his confrontation with Nietzsche as a way of purging the heresies of other Nietzsche commentators such as Baeumler, Hildebrandt, Oehler, Härtle, and Ernst and August Horneffer. By the time his lecture cycle is over in 1944, however, Heidegger will have long abandoned his search to work within the established National Socialist framework. After 1940, Heidegger will see Nietzsche as implicated in the selfsame metaphysical structures of unbridled subjectivism and technological domination as the Nazis themselves. Now he will define his role as that of the outsider. Wholly alienated from the institutional and political machinations of National Socialist will to power, Heidegger will begin to craft a new identity as the prophet of an “essential” form of National Socialism at odds with the inessential versions being promulgated by other NS philosophers. As in the years 1929-1933, before the ascent of Hitler, Heidegger will once again go underground and try to recover the subterranean sources for a new German future. And he will turn to Hölderlin’s poetry as a source for reclaiming the hidden power of this authentic Germany. At the same time, Nietzsche’s status as the herald of the German future will be decidedly altered. Now, in the summer of 1942, Heidegger will claim that Nietzsche denies the archaic power of the Greek world for the Roman metaphysics of will and domination.” – Bambach

    “Oh, the poets are right, there is nothing so little and of so little account that man could not know rapture by it.” – Hölderlin, Hyperion

    “Some animals howl when they hear music. But my more mannerly humans laughed when the conversation turned to beauty of spirit and virtue of heart. Wolves run away when you strike a light. When these men saw a spark of reason, they turned their backs like thieves.” – ibid.

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    All is intimate

    “Nature’s gleaming is higher revealing.” – L8 Hölderlin

    Wagner Reply:

    N read and fawned over Hölderlin at an impressionable age and even began work on his own version of “The Death of Empedocles”.


    I went ahead and autruistically counted the number of allusions to thinkers that Graham Parkes notes in his translation of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and the results may shock you:

    Heraclitus: 3
    Buddha: 5
    Homer: 8
    Goethe: 10
    Emerson: 15
    Plato: 17
    Hölderlin: 17
    Wagner: 21
    Old Testament: 55
    New Testament: 91

    Psyche. Many of the Plato, Wagner, OT, and NT allusions are instances of satirical inversion, of course. Some Biblemensch should go through and count the instances of admiration/appropriation, as Parkes is more of an Eastern scripture fellow and probably missed some – and exaggerated other – instances. Nice tentative list though, yeah? One may fairly conclude that the “return of the Gods” concept was emblazoned* into N’s brain and significantly motivated his Death-of-God–>Dionysus project (let’s admit it, if Heidegger saw that in Hölderlin, N saw that and much more…. N > Heidegger = important). We’ll never know what the final 3/4 of the Revaluation would have looked like *goes away and cries a lil*. N is more destructive, while Hölderlin is purer imo. Hölderlin had the same problem as Hegel and Kierkegaard: he thought he could salvage the Christian religion. N, who was post-Darwin, didn’t see that flying. I get a Catholic prude sense from Hölderlin from time to time, while I get a ressentiment-fuelled Luthiferianism (Luther+Lucifer lol) from N. Early1870s N ranked Luther up there with Goethe, and Z-period N exclaimed in his notebook,

    “Die Sprache Luthers und die poetische Form der Bibel als Grundlage einer neuen deutschen Poesie – das ist meine Erfindung!”

    Boy, and most think N is the guy who abolished noble lies. “I turned Plato on his head” is a noble lie in itself (duh).

    As far as meisters of the German language, N thought only Heinrich Heine was worthy of his company. I don’t agree with either Wagner or Nietzsche on the matter of antisemitism–they complete each other–but N has a definite, the only word is, hipster bias and patricide-for-patricide’s sake “contra” Wagner, and I suspect this was a myth, a dogma, an “appearance”, he told himself and others to avenge himself on Wagner’s superego-ghost’s panoptic shaming, as if Wagner was a god similar to Odin who he was compelled to be an atheist toward. When, was it Deussen, first found him in his apartment in Turin after he had reached Dionysian samadhi in 1889, he was flipping through his recently written book-pamphlets on Wagner. Just one of those pure coincidences I’m sure. What follows is from Heine, one of N’s (((alleged))) faves:

    “Only by studying the history of the religious reform proclaimed by Luther, is it possible to comprehend how philosophy reached its development among us… In order then to unveil German thought I must first speak of religion. This religion is Christianity.”

    All this to say that there are less than vague hintings in UR and XS that this NRx-Altright monster will be / is unwitting hyperpuritanismism. Atomization gets atomized itself and then we have quarkization which, ad infinitum. The Dionysian Right atomizes itself from the Apollonian Left, but they both spring from the same imp-etus: atomization, I.E. Protestantism, hyper/crypto-protestantism–protestantism needs to be lowercased to fit with its own ethos, which is nothing is true, everything is permitted. Moldbug said that roughly, Catholicism aligns with Rightism and Protestantism aligns with Leftism. Makes sense. But is there anyone on the emerging right that isn’t a Catholic purely for Protestantism’s sake? The rest of the right sees (instincts) leftism as a protestant-move and out-protestants them. This is all one spiral but it is possible to get out of the spiral. Realizing the spiral is the only way.

    “When half-gods go,
    The gods arrive.”

    Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    first, may i ask, what is the distinction between poetry and rhetoric?

    i too have wanted to raid the shores of das Ding

    some of my greatest misses..

    time, like a swirling camera,
    the contents of which curve
    at its edges like a blur,
    includes us in its passage

    eyes spin, inexhaustibly,
    weaves of image

    time, slides of image
    in unending series
    with fractions containing
    unendurable newness,
    forms drunkenness in the eyes
    creating images with the motoric impairment
    of a drunk

    a ship undocking,
    begins the transformation from time
    whereby participant becomes onlooker
    and eyes,
    while remaining open,
    close upon themselves
    and on-look gazingly
    into internal abyss


    if thought is ether, body is stone,
    set to wither and dissolve and return to

    such is us
    in an in-between moment,
    knowing thoughts are immortal,
    thinking immortal thoughts
    yet in finite bodies
    we are a passing, flickering, no-thing between two somethings


    who am i again?
    oh yeah

    i go to the canal and see in the water my reflection
    light entangled in its own image
    and the breathing water’s
    soundless waves
    break the illusion of a spell
    i had of myself
    as one
    separate from many


    in my body
    joyful hunger
    like a fire

    looking over more poems almost all involve the body, finitude, interiority – although i did have a love poem with a more naturemorphic lexicon: “my sea of grapes, you are your lover’s wine. your eyes, dark as leopard spots, are unknowable..”

    but i know now i was trying to write poems to get to a place that, ultimately, is better gotten to without the use of words altogether

    but rather with being quiet

    and acceptance of the fact i am unspoken

    to find what is muted in the mind can be amplified in the body

    quietism was anathema for both catholicism and protestantism

    Wagner Reply:

    Silence is the only thing higher than the One, but only because the sign “the One” distracts from what it tries to signify, being inherently dualistic in its separation of the One from the non-One. Silence too is a sign (a non-sign sign) that distracts from what it tries to signify. It could be “said” that: the One > silence > the one. Both silence and the one are pedagogical maneuvers to indicate the ineffable One, or T-I-I if you will. Kant evidently was confined to the monkey-dimension; in some dimensions, allegorized/prophesied by Lovecraft e.g., and frequently inhabited millennia ago by the ancestors of Artxell, “time” and “space” are pure gibberish, as, “there” the immortal soul is in complete union with the T-I-I to the extent that “‘the immortal soul’ ‘and’ ‘the T-I-I'” is a meaningless dualism.

    If your first reaction to that Burroughsian cut-up of my Hei-Hö “trip-report” is to wonder what the difference between poetry and rhetoric is it’s time to re-read it with a less calculative attitude. It itself is gleaming higher revealing. It just needs to be unlocked. Again, tryptamines are a useful lock-pick. Judging by your poetry you’d be one to appreciate them.

    Hei-Hö, Hei-Hö


    Julius Evola, who is popular among the emerging right almost exclusively for his political philosophy, was also one tuned into these, for lack of a better word, “magical” wave-lengths:

    “Concerning all this, we have to realize that the “secret” had nothing to do with any exclusivity of sect or unwillingness to speak, but rather that it was a question of not *being able* to say, in addition to having to prevent the inevitable incomprehension of those who would profane or distort the teaching. Since the alchemical technique, in its truth, *consists of an Art made possible by higher powers set in motion by superior and nonhuman states of consciousness*, it is natural to declare that the secret of the Great Work cannot be transmitted, but is the privilege of the initiates, who by virtue of their own experiences, can alone understand what is hidden behind the jargon and symbolism of the technical texts. For the profane the only counsel was to be prepared and to pray, in the hope that through some spontaneous enlightenment their eyes might be opened at last… What has been said about the “transmission of the secret” being conferred only on the “worthy” need not be interpreted moralistically. It has to do with the fact that the consciousness of the one who is to be transformed has to be at the level of readiness to enter the new state and to be transformed within it; or else, either the operation will fail, or it could well provoke violent and dangerous dissociations in the natural unity of the different components of the person.” (The Hermetic Tradition) – second italics mine

    “The axiom of all yoga, of Tantric sadhana and analogous disciplines, corresponds to Nietzsche’s saying “man is something that must be overcome,” only taken more seriously. As is the case with initiation in a general sense, the human condition is not accepted as one’s final destiny; it is intolerable to be merely mortal.” (The Yoga of Power)

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    i/r/t/ (ii): tryptamines are most effective for Macro/Micro-Cosmic Gnosis, while LSD and DXM are effective for self-/psychoanalysis. The Ivory unis have been experimenting with MDMA and therapy but ime molly is a dumbdumb drug comparatively, for hedonists.

    True dat—an ex-mate of mine who’s rather a hedonist (not that I ain’t—I’ve just done fasting and praying, etc) loved the Molly. He didn’t like LSD when we took it—while I appreciate even “bad” trips. Now, I’m not really doing any drugs anymore—just coffee and I wish I had a little more beer from time to time.

    However, on MDMA—two separate occasions I had extreme kundalini arousals, indeed—awakenings. Like I had an orgasm, a multiple orgasm lasting god knows how long in front of my friend at the time and not in the genitals but deeper than them and a little above them. I knew then how women feel orgasms. Because I screamed like a woman, against the wall in ecstasy while the guy stood in awe and surprise the whole time like WOW & WTF??? Mostly impressed though, he was into this kind of shit. He always thought he was better than me. Wanker offed himself this year. hahaha

    Never had close to the amount of spiritual experiences I’ve had, which are so numerous that I’d almost rather shoot myself in the head than try to recount them all.

    He did have a few he related to me though—poor sod.

    E.g. the buzzing —on mushrooms.

    And the Goddess.


    These are separate guys though. But they both have in common that they were more hedonists than I, and would fuck ugly girls even just to get laid “all the time.”

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    you do not take up the problem of language and being

    what is your understanding of it as present in nietzsche?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    the difference between rhetoric and poetry is poetry is a legitimate question and it is conferred as

    Wagner Reply:


    What do you think of the leftist establishment wanting planet of the apes?

    Wagner Reply:



    Don’t ask me what I like about Bateye, I’ve never known what to say about him, I just know Dionysus when I see him. I hate the french but there’s something about Bateye I can’t drop.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    jeeze, finding the reply people was a pain in the ass..

    reminded me of the first time i swam in a lake and nearly drowned

    i didn’t realize without salinity you sink differently. more ruthlessly

    it was really deep, you know, and i could not make out up or down…

    i lost my sense of direction

    it wasn’t translucent, there were no air bubbles i could follow

    i thought: i only get one chance at this, i don’t know how deep this lake is, i can’t just stick my hand out and swim and if i reach the bottom have enough air to swim back up to the surface..

    i also knew that no one is going to save me..

    i’m here typing!

    what do i think about the leftist establishment wanting planet of the apes?

    i’m more bothered you spent your time and money watching it tbqh

    i think you’re middlebrow

    i think a little miscegenation might make you unibrow

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    few stop to notice the tiny bubbles when washing their hands but that has to do with speed

    the quiet i allude to is not pausation and noise and silence are unimportant to it. it is becoming a cipher

    no longer voice, you become a message that is being received

    your body has an ear drum for it

    why start a poem when you can be immersed in the feeling that starts a poem, over and over?

    the mystics maligned as quietists were those who no longer had need of the firmament since they had gone beyond representation and could bring the end of the world about within themselves

    i read what you said and accepted it as “this is what wagner thinks”

    i am not interested in persuasion or argument

    politics is the lowest form of community

    i think i’ve told you i’ve had a major de-cathexis from politics


    Wagner Reply:

    I wasn’t trying to persuade you of anything, just trick you into satori. I can see how I’ve tainted Hölderlin with the political for you and for that I’m sorry. The section on Hölderlin in (((Zweig)))’s The Struggle with the Daemon might be more up your alley.

    “Let’s bring this to a conclusion. The two opposing values “good and bad,” “good and evil” have fought a fearful battle on earth for thousands of years. … The symbol of this battle, written in a script which has remained legible through all human history up to the present, is called “Rome against Judea, Judea against Rome.” To this point there has been no greater event than *this* war, *this* posing of a question, *this* contradiction between deadly enemies. Rome felt that the Jew was like something contrary to nature itself, its monstrous polar opposite, as it were. In Rome the Jew was considered “*guilty* of hatred against the entire human race.” And that view was correct, to the extent that we are right to link the health and the future of the human race to the unconditional rule of aristocratic values, the Roman values…
    Which of them has proved *victorious* for the time being, Rome or Judea? Surely there’s not the slightest doubt. Just think of who it is that people bow down to today in Rome itself, as the personification of all the highest values—and not only in Rome, but in almost half the earth, all the places where people have become merely tame or want to become tame…”

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Israel is somewhat like Rome now, and Russia.

    I don’t think there’s anything to worry about per se. The Synagogue of Satan is not having children, but is abusing children — so they won’t last long because the only way to last is to pass onto the next generation. And the childless do not do that.

    There were circa 500.000 Mormons in 1911. They were around 10.000.000 in 2005 and in 2017 there are 15.000.000.

    Do you get this? It’s these people, and the people like China (perhaps), and—admittedly—Muslims, who are the future.

    The Mormons are mostly White. Actually quite Nordic and handsome usually. Lot’s of blondes and red-heads.

    They have a corporation that has$ in revenue annually. So they’re basically a transnational half-sovcorp.

    They have huge buildings and luxury at the top.

    They’re relatively numerous in the Intelligence Community, especially the FBI in Utah is mostly Mormon.

    Like, forget about Hitler.


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:




    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    what exactly is in conflict here, roman values: pietas, dignitas, gravitas, virtus.. versus what, the Jewish “Levanisian” obligation to the Other?

    the word republic comes from res publica

    auctoritas is the Cathedral

    potestas is the Deep State

    the roman empire survives

    go satori yourself.. i’m fine


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    the height of the roman religion was monasticism

    both Heidegger and my master, Lacan, were in some ultimate sense of the word, Catholics

    Wagner Reply:

    I’ve only read a little Lacan; Zizek’s poz and now your poz have ruined him for me – or do you guys get the poz from someone else?

    Wagner Reply:

    Let’s sniff this one out… where do all the poz-crumbles lead back to…

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    i’ll get back to you when i’ve read evola

    i expect you to be well versed in it so brush up

    in case you’ve skimmed through him like you appear to do everything else

    Wagner Reply:

    I don’t claim to be more than a novice in anything besides Nietzsche/anism, which I’ve been studying for a mere 8-9 years.

    This is one of the only truly important things I’ve heard said on Twitter:


    #thelonggame, no one seems to care about #thelonggame.

    “In their young years, people worship and despise still without that art of subtlety which constitutes the greatest gain in life. And it’s reasonable enough that they must atone, with some difficulty, for having bombarded men and things in such a way with Yes and No. Everything is arranged so that the worst of all tastes, the taste for the absolute, will be terribly parodied and misused until people learn to put some art into their feelings and even prefer risking an attempt with artificiality, as the real artists of life do. The anger and reverence typical of the young do not seem to ease up until they have sufficiently distorted men and things so that they can vent themselves on them.- Youth is in itself already something fraudulent and deceptive. Later, when the young soul, tortured by nothing but disappointments, finally turns back against itself suspiciously, still hot and wild, even in its suspicion and pangs of conscience, how it rages against itself from this point on, how it tears itself apart impatiently, how it takes revenge for its lengthy self-deception, just as if it had been a voluntary blindness! In this transition people punish themselves through their mistrust of their own feeling; they torment their enthusiasm with doubt; indeed, they already feel good conscience as a danger, as a veiling of the self, so to speak, and exhaustion of their finer honesty. Above all, people take sides, basically the side *against* “the young.” – A decade later, they understand that all this was also still – youth!” (Beyond Good and Evil)

    I’m positive that when I look back at my understanding of N now when I’m 50 I’ll see myself as a complete Dummkopf.

    “It is impossible to grasp the wisdom of the mature Goethe at one go; not as a young person. In such cases it is merely “*jadedness*”.” (1873 Notebook)

    My only hope is that my willed alienation from the powers that be to understand “the real NTZSCH” I’ve managed to relay to you a small, reliable taste. For Evola I delegate responsibility to Erikson.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    hah! if the real thing was what you were going for, then i assure you that you have not!

    you’ve pestiferously relayed to me a myopic reading

    revisit our posts on nietzsche to disaffirm for yourself ever such possibility of that as you helping me to grasp the truth in nietzsche..

    9 years?? pffffhhpt, i would have thought 9 days!

    what was the name of your online college?

    no need to wait until your 50 man,

    1) nietzcshe is anti-representationalist or representationally anti-realist

    2) nietzsche is naturalist or functionalist, scientifically realist

    3) nietzsche is anti-foundationalist, epistemologically perspectival

    4) nietzsche’s aristocratic-traditionalism is not hereditarian but axiological

    5) nietzsche’s axiology is heuristic and does not presuppose content, so the transvaluation is ultimately pyrrhic, similar in ambition and following in failure much like the empty formalism of kant’s law of universalizability

    what is your understanding of the eternal return, wagner?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    i will find a translation of Baeumler’s works and we can discuss it

    until then, see about getting a refund from your online college

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    i’m on chapter three of ride the tiger with deals with european nihilism discussing nietzsche and evola reiterates the point i made in “5)..”

    “This defines the rationalistic phase οί the “stoicism οί duty” and οί “moral fetishism,” which, incidentally, is one οί the characteristics οί Protestantism. Ιη speculative philosophy, this phase has as its sign οτ symbol the Kantian theory of the categorical imperative, ethical rationalism, and “autono- mous morality.”

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    oh i forgot to ask, what work of lacan’s did you read? a portion of a seminar? something from his ecrits?

    Wagner Reply:

    My understanding of the eternal return is that if the thought of it hasn’t given you a mental breakdown–authentic insanity temporary or permanent–you haven’t really “thought” it. The exoteric/esoteric distinction–as with everything in N, (*including the exoteric/esoteric distinction itself*)–when applied to the ER (synchronicity for emergency room, heh) yields two basic layers. Roughly, the exoteric is the law, the esoteric is the action of lawgiving. I involuntarily grit my tongue between my teeth in this territory as there are certain things that should not be stated with utmost clarity w/r/t N because it undermines his strategy, and I trust his strategy; he idealized Honesty but so too did he idealize the Mask, hence he was honest about the mask and his idealization of honesty was a kind of mask lolol; walking the tightrope over the churning vulgus always requires prudence, i.e. acceptance that the many will only be led astray by philosophy, and that therefore poetry, and to be blunt, sophism, are in order (N’s admiration for the pre-Socratics isn’t innocent, there is a drop, perhaps more than a drop, of cunning in it – call it the “will to appearance”, or to wax peak-euphemistically, art).

    I hope I haven’t given you the impression that Deleuze isn’t one of my faves, it’s just extremely, extremely, obnoxious to me that most of the convos I’ve had about N it’s seemed like I’ve been talking with D (or the other “Big D”, or Foucault) so after reading a handful of his books I’ve felt pulled to deliberately distance from him, much like I’ve heard he did with Heidegger; can’t think new thoughts if you’ve been owned – and yes, judging by the tempo of your voice, the spirit not the letter per se, I would say you’ve been owned – but hey I’ve been owned too, just I’d say by a crazier nutcase. All this to say that Deleuze imo has said some of the most insightful things about N, and the ER in particular, so let’s springboard off him shall we? First on the subject of the mask/the esoteric:

    “In short, the first philosophers are those who institute a plane of immanence like a sieve stretched over the chaos. In this sense they contrast with sages, who are religious personae, priests, because they conceive of the institution of an always transcendent order imposed from outside by a great despot or by one god higher than the others… It may be that the first philosophers still look like priests, or even kings. They borrow the sage’s mask–and, as Nietzsche says, how could philosophy not disguise itself in its early stages? Will it ever stop having to disguise itself? […] Putting their work and sometimes their lives at risk, all philosophers must prove that the dose of immanence they inject into world and mind does not compromise the transcendence of a God to which immanence must be attributed only secondarily (Nicholas of Cusa, Eckhart, Bruno). Religious authority wants immanence to be tolerated only locally or at an intermediary level, a little like a terraced fountain where water can briefly immanate on each level but on condition that it comes from a higher source and falls lower down (transascendence and transdescendence, as Wahl said). Immanence can be said to be the burning issue of all philosophy because it takes on all the dangers that philosophy must confront, all the condemnations, persecutions, and repudiations that it undergoes. This at least persuades us that the problem of immanence is not abstract or merely theoretical. It is not immediately clear why immanence is dangerous, but it is. It engulfs sages and gods. What singles out the philosopher is the part played by immanence or fire.” (What Is Philosophy?)

    For N, Chaos is the Ur-Truth. The ER, what he calls his thought of thoughts, his highest insight, is a sieve that is stretched over his true thought of thoughts. I believe it was Nishitani Keiji who referred to this chaos as the soul’s groundless ground (which is constituted by laughter itself – you realize this in overabundant viscerality when you smoak Deeyum Tea and meet the “elves”, “jesters”, w/e word-sieve you want to impose on them). The ER is priestcraft, but from a zoomed-out ‘perspective’ that sees it in its complementarity with N’s ‘Chaosism’/Heraclitean flux-ontology as well as his mask mask [sic] it alchemizes into that which is above priestcraft, namely philosophy, or to use a rabble-rotted phrase, thinking for oneself. The priest gives laws and is given laws from not-himself, the philosopher gives laws and is given laws from himself, the most significant law law [sic] of which is lawgiving. Lawgiving is itself a law, but a law that points away from itself – my go-to allusion for this is Buddha’s “empty teaching of emptiness”.

    Is it deja vu, the eternal return, or have I already in this life shared this 1-2 punch with you on the ER?:

    “What Paul himself did not believe, the idiots among whom he threw his doctrine believed. His need was for power; in Paul the priest wanted power once again–he could use only concepts, doctrines, symbols with which one tyrannizes masses and forms herds. What was the one thing that Mohammed later borrowed from Christianity? Paul’s invention, his means to priestly tyranny, to herd formation: the faith in immortality–*that is, the doctrine of the “judgment*.”” (The Antichrist)

    “The eternal return gives the will a rule as rigorous as the Kantian one… As an ethical thought the eternal return is the new formulation of the practical synthesis: *whatever you will, will it in such a way that you also will its eternal return*.” (D, Nietzsche and Philosophy)

    “With the Apocalypse, Christianity invents *a completely new image of power*: the system of Judgment.”
    (D, “Nietzsche and Saint Paul, Lawrence and John of Patmos”)

    With the ER, Nietzsche invents a *completely new image of power*: the system of Judgment. HEHEHE *clears throat* excuse me. To sum up the esoteric-ER in one phrase, the ER is the ER of the ER. *This* is the abyss that if stared into can/should cause insanity, not the ER itself, but the meta-ER. For the exoteric-ER check it uh Klossowski and Heidegger – K is more explicit than H (I told you to read K before, have you?!) – this is why I’m interested in the translation of Laruelle’s N Contra H, as I hope he delves into the matters of the exoteric/esoteric where H did not. H has a sort of hegemony/ownership of N-reception – K translated H’s N lectures into the French so many of ya boys necessarily passed thru him. H is profound, don’t get me wrong, but ppo seem to forget that he gave those lectures to *students* not fellow philosophers, and he gave them to a class with literal oppressive Nazi bastards scrutinizing his every word; H’s N is not holy writ, nor is D’s, nor is Strauss’s (the latter of which I’m in part drawing from), N is holy writ, literally, and needs to be rescued from his interpreters.

    What about you, what do you think of the ER?

    Wagner Reply:

    Nietzsche/Dionysus is, ironically, our Ariadne (<3)

    I used to have a pretty good friend who was doing postgrad work on Lacan so read stuff from all over his corpus, including Miller, Zizek, Klein, etc. I recognize his power but like I said, when the Cathedral's celebrity-philosopher™ is a Lacanian… Just give it up, or, okay, direct me to a ~25 page chunk of his to warm me up. I love Jung so I imagine I'd at least like another prominent disciple of Freud's, it's just the Slave-oj thing is going to be difficult to circumvent.

    Wagner Reply:

    Cautionary addendum to the eso-ER post:

    “[Habermas] attributes the fascination of younger scholars with Nietzsche to the desire to go straight to the heart of darkness…”

    Darkness isn’t fun and games, insanity isn’t fun and games. You think it’s ubermensch-like to have your mother and sister wipe your ass for you, for *years*? “I can deal with darkness without going insane stfu.” Yeah? That’s what Nietzsche thought too, and what happened to him? Who’s the better man, you or him? Here’s an account of his little “bath” in a duckpond:


    Do you want this to be you?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    european art music comes out of the monasteries

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    brillant post!

    hahaha.. emergency room that’s clever

    i understand what you mean with consequent insanity once having thought ER

    initially when i had grasped the ER i felt several affects on my body.. awe, terror, stupefaction

    i’ve never returned to it

    that is repression for you

    which means the eternal doesn’t return but under the cover of night as non-eternal..

    in it’s hallucination, IT speaks: “time is personal and individuated”

    what is the IT that speaks, wagner?

    can you expound on Buddha’s empty teaching of emptiness?

    though i didn’t feel aversion to the idea when i understood it, it was awful in the original meaning of that word

    ways of embodying the eternal return

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    aha, must be why they say persistence is a virtue!

    this is sexy

    it might even be sex itself extracted


    only 16 pages..

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    will check out klossowski and also excited to read bauemler though it seems i will have to read him in german (i’m a step above google translate and a step below not needing to go towards a dictionary every third or fourth sentence)

    if i find a translation online, i will share with you

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    the klossowski – nietzsche and the vicious circle is phenomenal

    thank you for its recommendation

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    “With the Apocalypse, Christianity invents *a completely new image of power*: the system of Judgment.”

    defines the sjw mindset quite well

    unfortunately you, or the alt-right more generally, betrays an newtonian “equal and opposite reaction”

    for instance, i show you a book by a brilliant sociologist and you strew together “french..arab.. female sociologist..hegemony..” and made a pre-JUDGEMENT that the book was a de-colonialist, intersectional theory book or idk whatever..

    it’s historical sociology bud. mind telling me what the issue is with the epistemic and methodological resources of that discipline?

    you are an sjw (maybe start a clothing line for smart-casual vermont slacktivists called SJWagner?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    in my ideal society there would be harsh punishments for false attribution errors


    Wagner Reply:


    That’s the spirit, Mussolini Jr. At this rate you’ll be on the path to not betraying your ancestors in no time.

    “made a pre-JUDGEMENT”

    Wait, who sounds like a SJW? lol. I’m talking about Judgment with a capital J, big difference. Yuge, trust me, folks. The categorical imperative and eternal return are priestcraft-esque but they’re a hell of a lot more effective than the old afterlife gimmick. Only way to get Europeople to be good boys and girls is to use an immanentized “thought-experiment”. I’m worried that what I said about chaos above is going to be read by some hapless 17 year old frog and completely destroy him. N’s philosophy can easily be used to rationalize hedonism if read by someone immature, and hedonism is the most common form of nihilism. There is a truth to the eternal return, there’s just also a truth beyond it. In order to understand the truth beyond it one must first understand its truth.

    “why speaks of politics at all, wagner.. why blurt out political representations and teleologies…

    “the world is finished in every moment and its end is attained” -n

    “can we remove the idea of a goal from the process and then affirm the process in spite of this? -this would be the case if something were attained at every moment within this process–and always the same.” – n

    You probably have noticed that you read one thing in Nietzsche then later in the same book you think, wait a second, this completely contradicts the other thing he said. The jury’s out as to whether his philosophy of contradictions was intentional and well-planned, I tend to err on the side of that, but I also think he just lacked discipline, didn’t have as big a brain as Hegel so proceeded with systematicitilessness. One thing that seems intentional is his tempering of the eternal return/amor fati doctrine in Thus Spoke Zarathustra with the “Ass-Festival” chapter. tldr (I’m busy at the moment); if you say Yes to everything you’re a jackass.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    lol you think i’m comparing you to kant when you alt-sjw-istically “shut down” after i present an author with a strange name and a vagina that. OMG. used the word hegemony!!

    nietzsche falling to his knees and hugging a flogged horse is ER

    what doesn’t lead us to such a moment within his work falls away

    european buddhism looks like christianity

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    Wagner Reply:

    If the poz-crumbles lead back to Christianity then, yes, Satanism, sounds good.

    Can always count on you to ‘nigger it up’, Napni.

    Indians: took a nap for thousands of years and blame the white man for it (and so continue to take a nap).

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Wifi Waggy] “If the poz-crumbles lead back to Christianity then, yes, Satanism, sounds good.”

    {AK}: The point being, Waggy, that it was always devil-driven, no amount of forked-tongue hypocrisy could ever really hide that.

    [Wifi Waggy] “Can always count on you to ‘nigger it up’, Napni.”

    {AK}: Ain’t you got no rhythm, rhyme, nor reason, Waggy? Didn’t Nietzsche nichi wa tell you to dance?

    [Wifi Waggy] “Indians: took a nap for thousands of years and blame the white man for it (and so continue to take a nap).

    {AK}: When you learn to think for yourself, Waggy, instead of hiding behind Nietzsche nichi wa, then you might understand that it’s worth taking a deep breath, and having a rest. You’ve got nothing to prove, Waggy, no need to twist yourself up so much.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    read this you buffoon

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    the poz is from somewhere else,

    lacan is mostly description

    when he does come to ethics, it’s similar to nietzsche’s axiology as well as kierkegaard in some respects

    there’s a difference between reading and understanding

    you just seem to read a lot..

    Wagner Reply:

    Female arab sociologist writer of a book with the word hegemony in the title, thanks but I already went to college. Don’t you turgid goons ever get bored of this hogswallop? Transvaluate your edumucation. It’s probably too late for Artxell, but there’s hope for you Rome. Have you read Evola yet? On JSTOR (GAYSTOR) there was only one article of Evola’s and it was about Buddhism or something, the academy is terrified of him.

    I’m perplexed as to why the irony won’t sink into your heads that white men created the philosophies you both live inside of like rusty, birdcrap-caked cages. Why don’t you fight teh establishment with ideas pulled from the Congo?

    You’re Neo-Scholastics, it’s time to cut the umbilical cord and join the heretics. Babies whose balls have never dropped.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    you’re in a shit-caked bird cage you quackadoo lol

    its not that kind of book, “de-colonialist” or whatever

    don’t be scared of a little historical sociology.. learning that algebra is an arabic word won’t kill you!


    the scholastics, your “white men who created philosophy” were translating into latin arabic translations of the greek works

    st. thomas aquinas copied aristotle verbatim, plagiarized him, and presented those ideas as if they were his own!

    nobody likes a know-it-all wagner!

    and i will gladly read evola

    how should i start with him and is there any one i should read before him, such as one should freud before lacan?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    better yet i will only read evola if you read lacan and you will help me understand evola as i will help you lacan otherwise forget it

    deal or no deal?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    evola and lacan

    a love canal

    Wagner Reply:

    Wait, so I’ve been being psychoanalyzed by a Lacanian this whole time, that’s funny. I’ll have to decline though, Zizek as the incarnation of leftism in our time has ruined him for me for now; I can’t help but hear his idiote voice when I read him.

    Here’s a joke: what’s the difference between Zizek and Land?
    Land will get a notebook in his cell.

    I’ve read so much Cathedralist and Cathedral-absorbed claptrap, and not to mention have been exposed/inundated by it via TV/news/teachers/etc. that it’s just not fair to ask me to meet you halfway. Evila is a highly marginalized voice in our society, I thought that kind of thing interested french-theory types? Ask Erikson twitter @apocalyptocrat or @ebookextremist where to start and for direction on E, though I’d say Revolt Against the Modern World or Ride the Tiger will give you a good taste of the highbrow version of what is going on with the alt right (or whatever you want to call it).

    I’ll probably flip through some Deleuze one of these days for this reason:


    I’d imagine you’d enjoy the same benefit from reading Evola. For reasons of multiplicity it would be good to read Evola too.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Nietzsche said: “Only when you have turned against me, will I return to you.”
    So, given the plurality of Nietzschean interpretations, is it even possible to be ‘against Nietzsche’? But, if the Waggy-approved, ‘truth of Nietzsche’, is accepted as genuine Nietzsche in a positivist and literal way, then obviously Nietzsche himself tells us to be against that.
    I actually own an Evola book, got it cheap at a bargain bookstore, years ago, in the last century. Never got round to reading it, was too simplistic.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It wasn’t mockery, Waggy. But if you want to deflect it as that, feel free. Such intellectual weakness, though, might explain your compensatory valorising of machismo.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    nonsense and hypocrisy wagner

    this “researcher bias” against evola is one you display amply towards lacan

    where’s you philhellenism? why have you soured on the dia-logical?

    the fact is you’re not intimate with the material you’re caricaturing so your caricature is self-parodying

    i will read evola anyway but just know i don’t consider you a man

    Wagner Reply:

    “Nietzsche tells us to be against that”

    So then why doesn’t it follow for us to be against that itself? That moment in Zarathustra is often abused in two related ways: 1, by lefties to rationalize their alignment with the tenets of the Contemporary Church and the sedate comfort derived therefrom (zzzzzzz), and 2, by normies who faintly detect that if they stay too close to Nietzsche they risk insanity. The latter is understandable: everything rare for the rare; the former is simply cowardice.

    “compensatory valorising of machismo”

    I told you, Art, I already went to college. (White) males who don’t act like meek women are compensatory, machismo, toxic, etc. This is a leveling tactic to make muds and women feel comfortable. I don’t care about your comfort, you need to toughen up. Part of the motivation of the emerging right, though it’s hardly admitted, is that we respect your dignity enough to not treat you like children. You like being treated like children though don’t you? Well, again, I don’t care what you want. I want you to toughen up.

    Wagner Reply:

    Rohme and Artxell snoring in unison: honk shoooooooooo, honk jewwwwwwwwww

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, you just can’t help politicising, can you!

    When you complain about ‘the left’; ‘the cathedral’; etc., all of that bollocks, as it were; what you’re actually complaining about, mainly, is the US American hysterical appropriation, and simplification, of European intellectual trends, by heavily politicised and partisan interests, as U.S. Americans perceive them. I’m not really interested in the sociology of American university life. That’s your problem, remain as parochial to that as you like, but it’s not an argument.
    Continental philosophy, is not just ‘left wing’ or Marxist; Paul Ricoeur, for instance, could hardly be characterised as that.
    None of you, including Nick Land, really know much about Eastern thought, either.
    As I said before, on this blog one can’t really expect much beyond clichéd politicised conventions, that’s one of the reasons why I don’t comment so much here. The only reason I began, was because of Nick Land’s link to philosophy; and that he was one of the few people in England doing something a bit different, as well as being of my generation.
    If Rohme and myself, are sleeping, it’s probably because of the lack of intellectual stimulation on this blog.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    i know little about eastern thought beside yogachara and practically nothing about indian thinkers other than panini or bhartrihari who were hugely influential for european linguistics 1,500 years after the fact..

    anyone you would recommend? which thinkers were influential for you?

    Wagner Reply:

    “he was one of the few people in England doing something a bit different”

    Kek. I’m glad we can find some common Grund. Let’s not exaggerate though: what he’s been doing isn’t just “a bit” different. Left or Right, you, Rohme, and I have been infected by hyperprotestantism; if you’re here you’re probably bored of insufficiently hyper protestantism. We hunger for pluralism, ‘the different’, a New Way, whatever you want to call it. I think it was Bowden who said that the main argument against conventional leftism (what earlier Land deemed Transcendental Miserablism) is that it’s boring. Postdeathofgod = the transubstantiation of morality–>aesthetics, which = the interesting>the good. Being bored/boring is the sin of sins, so sorry if I’ve been boring–though I think you’re just saying that because I’ve screwed with/Socrateased you into seeing a side of non-boredom you can’t quite stomach. Probably something to do with being in Land’s generation; graybeards are too creaky and feeble to “break on through to the Other side” (no offense, friend, it happens to everyone). I hope when I’m your age the younger generations try to screw with me too–I mean, I’m sure I’ll hate it, no one said egodeath is fun, but it’s good for the soul to cross the generation-gap and not be “stuck in old ways”. One thing that eats at my conscience, I confess, is that the young screwing with the old is a symptom of the decadent, democratic man (according to Plato), so maybe it’s not that I’ve metamorphosed out of democratism but have merely unwittingly exemplified it. Well, I can’t help it, you guys are just funny, it’s hard not to make fun of you. I see you see the same in the All-Trite. Mach, mock, mawk, if it warrants laughter laugh.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    “: The point being, Waggy, that it was always devil-driven, no amount of forked-tongue hypocrisy could ever really hide that.”

    yes, naturalistic religion made man god

    going back to zoroaster, the jewish cabala made lucifer god

    the conflict between lucifer and god is between immanence and transcendence

    Wagner Reply:

    “what is the IT that speaks, wagner?”

    Good question. I normally think of it as “the mystery of being”, but it’s more mysterious than that. Where do the thoughts that come into our heads come from? “We” certainly don’t cause them, they emerge, appear. To hazard a stab I’d say the IT that speaks is a “finding”. Our subconscious finds a way to interpret the phenomena then drops it down to our consciousness. When you ask what the IT is, it responds it is IT, there’s not really an answer. We call ourselves “me” and “I” but the reality is what we define ourselves as comes from something that is not ourselves.

    On the other hand, “the IT” is I and only I. There’s no causation, it’s “I” happening all the time, no it turning into I.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    mankind does not represent a development toward something better or stronger or higher in the sense accepted today. ‘progress’ is merely a modern idea, that is , a false idea. the european today is vastly inferior in value to the european of the renaissance: further development is altogether not according to any necessity in the direction of elevation…in another sense, success in INDIVIDUAL CASES is constantly encountered in the most WIDELY DIFFERENT PLACES and CULTURES: here we really do find a higher type that is, in relation to mankind as a whole, a kind of overman. such fortunate accidents of great success have always been possible and will perhaps always be possible. – nietzsche, anti-christ

    and with that, coupled with evola’s notion of “apoliteia”, why speaks of politics at all, wagner.. why blurt out political representations and teleologies, which only move counter to the direction of your “enlightenment”?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    “the world is finished in every moment and its end is attained” -n

    “can we remove the idea of a goal from the process and then affirm the process in spite of this? -this would be the case if something were attained at every moment within this process–and always the same.” – n

    “if we consider ‘universal history as the history of contingencies, and not the history of necessity’, and historical events as folded intersections of all ‘previous, present, and future’ events (some more foregrounded, others more backgrounded), then there can be no necessary or pre-given teleology, evolution or profess in history, only different arrangements of temporally heterogeneous moments continually open to recomposition” – d&g

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    the IT is Das Ding

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  • Dave Narby Says:

    Hoppe is amazing.

    Except for IP, where he’s actually a Communist.


    Ah well. Like Rothbard said about libertarians: “Everybody gets to be wrong on one thing”.


    Henk Reply:

    How does libertarian Disney Corp enforce IP? The answer at your link is hilarious: They’ll get their way because they can afford to pay more for “protection” than those who think the Mouse should be free (by now). Gee, just like in real life!

    Serious question time: If that’s how it works, why even go to the trouble of claiming IP rights? After all, the company that does away with the expense of actually producing content would be able to spend even more on “protection”. You could call them The State or something.


    Dave Narby Reply:

    Before you bother with IP protection, you first have to have IP.

    Some IP is worth it, some isn’t. Some protection is worth it, some isn’t. E.G., it might be worth it for Disney enforce a no-copy use contract on Netflix (because they want to distribute on Amazon), but not worth it to enforce the contract on Henk VonDouchebagge-LittleBoyBuggerer (ha ha, just kidding bro, being hilarious just like you).


    Henk Reply:

    If libertarian Disney can force libertarian PirateBay to pay up without a contract (because they can pay more for “protection”), forget content, pay even more for “protection” and just raise taxes.

    If libertarian Disney can’t make anybody pay without a contract, a distributor stupid enough to sign a contract will be destroyed by competitors who just copy the stuff without a contract.

    Posted on October 17th, 2017 at 1:47 am Reply | Quote
  • Dave Narby Says:

    Libertarianism is a rehashing of the rights of rebel Englishmen under American Colonial Common Law. Common Law is about protecting property from trespass.

    Everything is property. Your clothes, tools, animals, wife and children are all property.

    Property is simply a thing that properly belongs to someone. My wife is my property. There is no man who has a higher claim to her than I. I am, naturally, also her property.

    Kids (minors) are property. Think they aren’t? Try this on for size: Your dog digs up your neighbor’s yard. Who pays? You do. Because your dog is your property, and you are liable for the proper administration of your property.

    Your kid does donuts with his dirt bike in your neighbor’s yard. Who pays? There you go.


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  • blogospheroid Says:

    Things were going perfectly fine along this speech (right enough diagnosis) except he didn’t have a better idea about gaining power than getting the “non-privileged” group to vote together, by getting them to realise that they aren’t going to be ruling this new haystack that’s being put up.

    This was followed almost swiftly by a bunch of “here’s what I would do if I were king”. Spending a decent amount of time in the neo-reactionary space kinda immunizes you to atleast this.

    Currently, urbit, BAT and counter fund, alt tech generally are the things to look out for.


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  • Wagner Says:

    Looking at this blog from a macro-bird’s eye view: You can take the Land out of England but you can’t take the England out of Land. We have a firm patriot on our hands here. He is *sold* that WWII went the right way because “my people” won it. AI, China, all this BS, Land is a proud Briton, and that’s how he’ll be on his deathbed regardless of anything anyone says. As he’s forcing out his last breaths he will be proud that he did this atomization-service for Mother England by going to China, going there but never really turning his back on Her. All for Her. “For you, my Queen.” The James Bond of Poz.


    Posted on October 18th, 2017 at 12:12 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    Yup, the only reason I post here is because I remember a Land who wasn’t a sell-out, I remember a Land that didn’t trade truth for comfort. The Land I attack is an imposter that I gladly and gleefully return down the chutes of Hell. Burn there, burn, I like the smell.


    Posted on October 18th, 2017 at 12:44 am Reply | Quote
  • TheDividualist Says:

    From the article:

    “Libertarian doctrine is simple: If there were no scarcity, physical clashes would be impossible.”

    Nick, you consider this sound? He entirely ignores clashes over status. He doesn’t even get it to the level Robert Caplan or Bryan Hanson do.

    The libertarian blind spot for thinking people just crave scarce goods for their practical utility is seriously WTF. In reality, beyond basic comfort (easily achievable today) mostly people want goods because they carry a status message. And it is just one subset of status competition, these days not even the most vicious one.

    NRx isn’t necessarily libertarians mugged by HBD, it is also libertarians mugged by noticing status competition.


    Dave Narby Reply:

    Everything is property. Status is property. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be able to buy a knighthood or a spot in Who’s Who.

    You seem to be trying to make the argument that competition for status (among those who value it) is a bad thing.

    However, you’ve only asserted it’s bad. Where’s the argument?


    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    My opinion of you is not your property by any sane definition of “property”, and it cannot be made property in any meaningful sense by the powers of man.

    Since many of the things people care about are not property, the efficiency proofs David Friedman offers in defense of libertarianism often fail.

    Note Part II, assumption II:

    “II. Private Property: Property rights are defined and costlessly enforced and can be costlessly transferred for all scarce goods.”


    I note Jordan Peterson’s definition of “ideology”: “pathological oversimplification”.


    Dave Narby Reply:


    Your opinion of you is YOUR property, and no one else’s. Pray tell: Who else could it properly belong to?!

    I challenge you to name one thing that isn’t property.

    Good luck with that..! XD

    Dave Narby Reply:

    Or, to cut to the quick:

    “In every society, a few individuals acquire the status of an elite through talent. Due to superior achievements of wealth, wisdom, and bravery, these individuals come to possess natural authority, and their opinions and judgments enjoy wide-spread respect. ” -Hoppe

    …What’s the big fuckin’ deal?


    Posted on October 18th, 2017 at 8:41 am Reply | Quote
  • Dave Narby Says:

    @Dave Narby

    Don’t conflate the difficulty of protecting property from trespass with not having the right to that property to begin with.

    Just because murder is the easiest crime to get away with (b/c the principle witness is dead) doesn’t mean it’s not a trespass.


    Posted on October 20th, 2017 at 6:20 pm Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    Yup, Arthur C. Clarke foresaw it best in Childhood’s End: the humans will devolve into collective mental dis-ease if higher intelligences came and tried to bring about good things on this rotten planet. I call it rotten, they just see it as normal monkey-happenings. Unless monkeyanity understands the Order of Rank we will never be able to benefit from their alien technologies. We have to be receptive to things higher than ourselves or else we’ll stay the same or sink down lower. They want to help us but they can’t help creatures that only aspire towards dirt.


    Posted on October 21st, 2017 at 4:59 am Reply | Quote
  • Sammoth Says:

    I thought you hated the Alt Right. Now that Hoppe says nice things about a WORD (altright) suddenly it’s all good with you.


    Posted on October 21st, 2017 at 6:50 am Reply | Quote
  • Sammoth Says:

    altright Isn’t all bad. It has some MAJOR problems. Major. Major. Major. IDK altright is better than Alt Right


    Posted on October 21st, 2017 at 6:51 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    Moldbug: unqualified reservations

    Land: qualified unreservations


    Posted on October 23rd, 2017 at 2:37 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    I can’t be the only one that finds it funny that, immanence-wise, Moldbug wrote most of UR under the sovereignship of the Governator. Seems like there are memes for this waiting to happen. After watching the first few Terminator movies I realize there may be synchronicities at play involving the AI. Moldbug is what happens when an artificial AI is ruler of Poztown. Schwarzenegger was the simulacrum (actor) of the AI who through postmodern myth-art convinced people he was the real deal. A bodybuilder (meat) in the place of power because people were subliminally guided to believe he was the superintelligence incarnate.


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:



    Wagner Reply:

    Oh, that’s good. I was beginning to think you smoaked that and went into an 1889-1900 Nietzschean Samadhi state getting fed and buttwiped by schwester und mutter. Land likes to use the word “howling” lightly but Holderlin literally howled all night after he went insane, they had to strap his face inside a hannibal lecter mask to shut him up.


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    and have you howled all night, wagner? that is the most importive question

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Wagner, did you have a look at the «Sorcery of the Spectacle» Reddit? I think some of the posts there are right up your alley—I dare you to test out the populous there with your content, some para-Landian howlings—my friend.

    BTW «Max Spiers: The mysterious death of a conspiracy theorist (Part 1) – BBC Stories».


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬» Max Spiers (December 22, 1976 – July 16, 2016) was a conspiracy theorist from Britain.
    His death caused controversy among some members of the conspiracy theory community which made him the target of reports from BBC News and other news outlets. Max believed in a variety of paranormal events, including that he had been altered as a child to become a supersoldier.
    Spiers died on 16 July 2016 in Warsaw, Poland, while visiting his friend.[2] In a multi-part short documentary series on his death, made by the BBC, his mother stated that she had been concerned about Max’s mental health prior to his death, and that she believed he had “gotten involved with the wrong crowd.” A final video taken of Max before his death revealed that, according to his mother, he was displaying signs of substance intoxication[3] and that she had seen him in a similar state in the past after he had taken heroin.[4][5] Another conspiracy theorist, who was close to Spiers, suggested that Max’s drug use was controlled by extraterrestrial life. A message from Max’s phone stating “your boy’s in trouble. If anything happens to me, investigate” was sent to his mother before he died. It is reported that Max vomited a quantity of black fluid prior to his death.[6] »



    Wagner Reply:

    I’d respond to you about Max Spiers but not online, only face to face. The Internet isn’t the holy grail of honesty, it’s just the best we have at present. The more we admit that the more honest we all will become.

    I gave up on the souls of the populous a while back, the only thing I’ve been concerned with lately is jolting the slumped Nickpuppet off the dead skeleton hand onto a new one.

    https://imgur.com/a/5VBtf – Gurdjieff


    Posted on October 23rd, 2017 at 3:01 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    You fools don’t seem to understand. You are supposed to critique ME from the Right. Land is too left, I am too left. Push it farther and farther. The agents are starting to gnaw at my neck with their sharp teeth, it’s up to you to help me.


    Uncle Saturday Reply:

    Austrian economics + Austrian empiricism: Hoppe on Popper


    collen ryan Reply:

    You are supposed to critique ME from the Right. Land is too left, I am too left. Push it farther and farther.smile.

    why should that be so controversial? Only because at one time the left thought it could just take over the market. But now it realizes it is better to partner with the market. The right once thought it could fight the left with the market now the right should realize the left is the market- as admin used to say demotism.

    within ME capitalism there are sub components.competition between capitalists on innovation and price is something we like because it benefits us. The rest of it not so much. I dont need capitalists shaping my culture to encourage my people to be better consumers of what capitalist want to sell them,and worse citizens in the bargain.so they can make more money to shape my culture more. rinse repeat.I want better cheaper mouse traps, not richer more powerful capitalists. Capitalism is good if its strengthening us not weakening us.
    Now if they want to sell porn, prozac, fake multiculturalgenderal news, and inferior technology to my enemies ( and everyones my enemy eventually well until theyre dead) then fine they can sell them crack for all i care.( though it might be better for us if they sold them stuff that allowed us to milk them a bit longer than crack)

    But we will decide not capitalists what we want made better, what innovations will be implemented, how they will be allowed to be used in our own nation. They can concentrate on outdoing each other on price and innovation, we will decide which way our nation is to proceed. This (((mosesbug))) idea of giving jew capitalist ownership of our nation is absurd thats the problem not the solution


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    who is the enemy? everyone is your enemy?


    Posted on October 24th, 2017 at 4:35 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:


    I didn’t know about this twitter of Land’s. (H/T Erik). I didn’t know this side of him was still alive. If I’d known of that I wouldn’t have been such an asshole on here hahahhaha


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Better keep updated with me.


    Wagner Reply:

    Son of Leif has his spergish moments, even he admits that, but as far as *knowing Evola intimately well* he’s my favorite writer. It seems to me that Nietzsche and Evola are the “incarnate elder gods” of the emerging right.. yeah yeah Spengler Bowden Moldbug, they’re prominent but my feels is N and E are the behind-the-scenes sorcerers running this operation. I think it’s like the devowelization of Yahweh, Nietzsche and Evola aren’t talked about because they are that holy. NTZSCH & VL. Well they should be talked about, because the meaning of life is to make the unconscious conscious.

    Priests of the right: “but muh laity.”

    Shuck them off, shear, slough. Sheep have no place on the right if they are purely automated to baa.

    If Land had a spine he would have subjected Evola to critique years ago, in mouth-form. If LND had a podcast he could possibly cause an apocalypse, that’s why he doesn’t have one.

    The idea of subjecting NTZSCH to critique is just….. funny to me. I’d like to see it tried. I’ve seen the gr8s try and Hier stehe, ich kann nicht anders, as a ntzch’n.


    Wagner Reply:

    THE AI: oh darn my mystical experience is shaped by the knockings from Outside in. Do you want perma-monkeyism, Land? FFS. Transvaluate the monkey.

    Wagner Reply:

    #worthlesscorpseLand can’t do anything now, the worms are descending upon him, the abject fool, this is an awakening from his dreamlife, he thought his dream was reality this whole time. The fact is that his dream was a dream.

    Posted on October 29th, 2017 at 3:49 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    If Land f’s with N, there is something bad coming to him, that’s my psychology in a nutshell.


    Posted on October 29th, 2017 at 4:33 am Reply | Quote
  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    ▬» What is the meaning and purpose of “security”? How does it relate the the relationships we have? I argue that the formalizations of our relationships — especially contracts — provide the blueprint for ideal security. »
    ▬ Nick Szabo (1997).

    So Szabo is a Formalist — like Moldie.


    Posted on October 29th, 2017 at 4:33 pm Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    Phenomenology of Nietzschean experience report:

    I’ve had two experiences of N that were paranormal, or like the way people see Jesus in “hallucinations”; the first time he blessed me, the second time he turned around and had the long teeth of those deep underwater fish with lightbulb-stalks on their heads, and he bit the side of my neck. Just reporting the facts.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I am Nietzsche.


    Sanguine Reply:

    Sounds crazy.


    Posted on October 30th, 2017 at 12:31 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    Luther – 500 years ago – Halloween… I’m feeling a little superstitious right now, dunno bout you guys.


    Posted on October 31st, 2017 at 3:37 pm Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    “The Aliens” aren’t a pure myth either, it’s corrupted all the way to the Top. Even the word “corruption” has been corrupted.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Um, not ‘corruption’ is very stable for the past two-three thousand years.

    ▬» Latin corruptus, past participle of corrumpere “to destroy; spoil,” figuratively “corrupt, seduce, bribe,” from com-, intensive prefix (see com-), + rup-, past participle stem of rumpere “to break” (see rupture (n.)) »

    That’s the amazing things with most concepts. Their stability over thousands of years all the way into the 21st century!

    Logia is the mother of sciences!

    Otherwise I agree with your post btw.


    Wagner Reply:

    Fair enough, there is substance to words. What I was trying to say though is that even Cthulhu is a monkey. I had the nauseating realization that if aliens came here they’d probably be SJW bureaucrats. There’s no perfection in the multiverse. Sometimes I wonder if God himself is a monkey. What do you think? Is God superlatively Good? None of his minions are but is he? Also, what do we plan to do in space once we get there? Travel to other planets’ Platos and give them N’s books to lubricate paradigm shifts? Not much to do in space besides be galactic SJWs tbh.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Life is mostly about aesthetics. That’s why we enjoy walks in the forest and by the seaside, and by the river, and on hills, mountains, and what not. The scenery, the smell. The colours of the leaves. Now — if you have wide appreciation, life can be good for you. You can enjoy cities as well. Of course it can be good if you have limited appreciation, but it will be more limited. Like, lots of Medievalists aren’t too happy with neo-Tokyo.

    I’d drop the monkey idea. You’ll see nothing but monkies with it. I know what you mean tho. I’d look at other beings which appear through man.

    Man is what you make of him, Angelus.

    Aliens, there are.


    Monkeys are boring. Conspire to make us into aliens.

    Posted on November 1st, 2017 at 1:30 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    Land’s psi-yawp is that he’s an accelerationist when he’s hitting the brakes. The more Truth the merrier. If they snap and imprison us (that is Land’s reason for reticence, not to mention the subconscious worry of long-term torture) that will be the thing to send them o’er. We don’t have anything to worry about, most of the things they do to us will only benefit our cause. For instance, if they were to put Kantbot in prison, that would be the end of them. Therefore, Kantbot can say whatever he wants. The leftists’ hearts and minds are going to fold into themselves pretty soon, this is exciting. “The moment of decision” – will they strap us to a board with a cage and a hot coal on top of our chests and a rodent inside to munch thru our insides? Leftists are too weak for that. Say what you want about Trump, he was right about the twin-diagnosis: “Sad!” and “Weak!” It’s too bad Land folded here, he did pretty good for his age, but, same diagnosis. Playing a moderating influence on an accelerating process, the old coot is going the way of Junger. Time to smoke DMT for a mental RESET or die like that, no option C. One foot in the new aeon, one foot in the old, no good to anyone.


    Posted on November 4th, 2017 at 3:38 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    Besides its use as a mindfuck of quackademics, framing the altright as Nietzschean will recruit lesser brahmins into our ranks. These are our brothers, they’ve just been Pavlov’d into reading N thru the lenses of french faggots.


    If teenagers start reading N w/o Cathedralist panopticism watching over their shoulders the last man trajectory will cycle toward first-man-ism (ideally a neo-renaissance).

    In the meantime the altright somehow needs to pivot from kek–>maat, dunno if this is possible.


    Wagner Reply:

    Junger: converts to there’s-an-afterlife-ism!

    Heidegger: is given a Catholic burial

    Land: twitter.com/outsideness


    Wagner Reply:

    At least Hölderlin and Nietzsche went out like men.


    Wagner Reply:

    Satan tells me “be silent”

    Posted on November 4th, 2017 at 6:41 pm Reply | Quote
  • Sammoth Says:

    i am disappointed you have failed to continue making powerful and exciting posts. this was the best blog on Earth for several years, truly a great joy reading it. you’re turning into a cuck land, you’re above this.


    Wagner Reply:

    The irony that is being sown by the divine prankster is that Moldbug and Land theorized that democracy isn’t the answer and have now been incorporated into–devoured by–the democracy. Land should tell the jeweled-crowned chimp Thiel to go fuck himself instead of being his PR lapdog. Trump > Thiel > Moldbug > Land – this whole hierarchy stinks of “the people”.


    Wagner Reply:



    Posted on November 5th, 2017 at 12:02 am Reply | Quote
  • SVErshov Says:

    propositions including 1. negation, 2. conjunction, 3. disjunction, 4. implication, and 5 equivalence. e.g. 1.white is not black, 2 but both formed by the same process of reflection of light, 3 because of difference in reflexed wave length we see it different, 4 luckily just two of this colours can produce about 360 varieties of grey, 5 without light not white and not black exist. It is also sound attractive in reverse. e.g. 6 ha ha ..


    Posted on November 5th, 2017 at 6:19 pm Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    You’ve got to be kidding me.


    Xenosystems is Hell.

    “The name of the Dweller in the Abyss is Choronzon, but he is not really an individual. The Abyss is empty of being; it is filled with all possible forms, each equally inane, each therefore evil in the only true sense of the word — that is, meaningless but malignant, in so far as it craves to become real. These forms swirl senselessly into haphazard heaps like dust devils, and each such chance aggregation asserts itself to be an individual and shrieks, “I am I!” though aware all the time that its elements have no true bond…”
    — Crowley, autohagiography


    “oy vey! he’s exoterrorizing our secret tradition to the goyim! we’re screwed!”

    That Alphanomics thing is creepy, my meatspace name is creepily related to qabala-Land. Also:


    RE: the afterlife; what’s going on, man? I thought I was the only one with the conspiracy theory that when you die *self-deception/eye-glazing setting in* uh but Evola in his autobiography writes of something similar:

    “In my heart, I have always thoroughly subscribed to the traditional doctrine I often quoted in my writing, which teaches that we have wished all relevant events in our life before our birth…”

    If existence has existed infinitely I don’t see how people so easily rule out that reality is a type of VR. All I’m sayin, all I’m sayin. Infinity is a long time. Definitely not one of those weirdos that believes reality is a hologram, definitely not one of those weirdos… heh… But it’s like McKenna’s talk of aliens, his bro Dennis said their father read them lots of scifi as kids so no crap when you have mystical experiences it’s going to be culturally filtered so that you experience it via what was ingrained during impressionable years. Hologram is just postmodern for maya. Recently in history, clever apes invented a way to manipulate the near-/death experience chemical in their brayns so that death can be simulated while alive. Daily if one likes. The Land of the Dead is the new frontier.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Hologram is just postmodern for maya.



    Posted on November 5th, 2017 at 9:08 pm Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    Jünger invited Heidegger to collaborate in a post-war journal called Pallas

    Dear Herr Jünger, I thank you for your letter, that aligns with my own reflections. But first I must ask that you drop the ‘‘Professor.’’ I still recall well the location of the path on which we spoke last autumn about the extreme danger that faces those who try today to hold onto what is essential; that to endure solitude is not an escape, but the highest freedom. Yet the natural urge to bring help immediately, to offer support and guidance, moves us to attempt things that turn out to be wrong after more rigorous reflection.

    Since Herr Klett and Dr. Nebel came to see me, not a day passes when I do not reflect on the project. The will to discover and to make visible in an original way what is authentic in the western tradition, to gather together those who wait, to strengthen those who seek, is enchanting. But, as I see clearly today, all this goes down the path of a relapse into the worn-out form of the journal. The tyranny of public opinion cannot be broken within it. The joint appearance of our names, even under the simple form of a regular collaboration, would be transformed into a political event that would perhaps either shake our last secure position, or in the end confuse it.

    There is a posthumous note of Nietzsche’s with which you’re certainly acquainted, from the time of The Gay Science: ‘‘Venice is formed by a hundred profound solitudes together—that is her magic. An image of the man of the future.’’

    It seems to me that a law for future poets and thinkers hides here, for whose preparatory practice we are perhaps appointed. That is why I think we should retreat from this project and allow its fate to mature longer. We should not throw the last scraps to the persistent thirst for vengeance, which has in the meantime become more crafty; we must remain unassailable in what is proper for us. *The best tactic would not at all help; we have been overtaken tactically for a long time*. A few days ago, my friend, a refugee from Upper Silesia who lives with us, received a letter from a Jewish émigré (a professor from the USA) who wrote that he (that is to say, ‘‘one’’) is extremely anxious to learn what was going on with Jünger’s and Heidegger’s new journal…

    Martin Heidegger, 23 June 1949 [my emphasis]

    Your judgment of the situation comes across as quite correct. The idea of constituting an organ for the last independent thinkers and creators was somewhat attractive. But it would perhaps have led to a stronger investment than was the intention of the participants. In the course of the last year it became entirely clear to me that silence is the strongest weapon, providing that something hides itself behind it that is worth being hushed up…

    Ernst Jünger, 25 June 1949

    4 years after WWII that was the situation. What’s the situation like 72 years later? Well, look at all of Land’s lying and you tell me.


    Wagner Reply:

    One can use Moldbug’s method of genealogical subversion to subvert his own genealogical subversions. He once said history>philosophy. Moldbug wrote from the post-Bush Obama-age, there was a line he couldn’t toe. We can now. It’s possible to do by springboarding from one of the Cathedral’s own theses: “the victors write history”. Well, okay, let’s apply that maxim to the Civil War and the World Wars. Notice Land either treats these subjects with silence or treats them suspiciously. It’s because he’s worried he will trigger Civil War II and/or WWIII.



    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Don’t you think this Jewish world is an improvement of the traditional Indo-European one? You want to go around riding horses crushing skulls? Enslaving peoples.


    Wagner Reply:

    War is a means to an end. Speaking as fundamentally as possible, in a proper social order everything is in its right place. By and large, women and browns don’t possess a mature faculty of rationality; they should be treated as what they are: they are slaves. This is the “traditionalism” of Plato and Confucius rather than Homer and Genghis Khan. Every social node should be, and be regarded as, what it is.

    Are philosopher-queens possible? Probably, but to expect every woman to have the potential to be an Irigaray leads to disorder. Equalism is all heart, no mind. Its implicit premise is “belief makes true”, i.e. “If I believe my daughter will become a doctor and tell her to believe she will become a doctor there is a higher likelihood she will become a doctor as opposed to if I told her to believe she will become a housewife.” The emerging right is in denial of the efficacy of faith in this regard. Self-fulfilling prophecies do work, it’s just if it’s taken too far then we have a bunch of really incompetent doctors, and that’s not good. Affirmative action puts people in places they’re not supposed to be. The emerging right is the rectification of names.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    fuck rectification of names, how about anti-humanism taught in schools, K-12! including lots of contemplation on Heidegger.. kindergartens should learn about their thrownness, no?

    the true war on ‘humanity’ is philosophy relegated as something on par with the arcana of exotic plant husbandry ..


    Posted on November 6th, 2017 at 4:07 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    Outsideness unravels English Qabala at 33.3k tweets, nothing peculiar about that.


    Wagner Reply:

    The best option is to #raypLand, he’s a worthless crypto-communist. Break him and fry his flesh for burgers.


    Wagner Reply:


    *laughing unironically evilly*

    *laughing uraeonically evilly*


    Wagner Reply:

    You can tell by his mouth-physiognomy that “Nickpuppet” was possessed by “something”, a “transdimensional daimon”. L. Ron Hubbard has the same Mark. Like they eat or ate dead things, like they eat or ate a soul or souls. The singularity and the last man are the same thing, he/they are trying to bring it about (by a circuitous route).

    “…changing and melting before your eyes from woman to man, from man to beast, and from beast to worse than beast…”

    Wagner Reply:

    @outsideness’s behavior reminds me of this moment from Crowley’s novel:

    “Whenever Cyril was among strangers, or in any danger, he invariably donned the bomb-proof armour of British aristocracy. He had been on the “Titanic”; a second and a half before she took the last plunge, he had turned to his neighbour, and asked casually, “Do you think there is any danger?””

    The ship’s goin’ down! 0y v3y, forget the women and children, salvage the poz-cargo we smuggled aboard!

    How’s being a Landpopsicle? Cold enough for ya?

    “The white man has guns, *therefore* the truth. ‘The whites disembark. The cannon! It is necessary to submit to baptism, dress oneself, work.’” (Land/Rimbaud)



    Ol Landlubber may’s well be a classical conservative har har har har har.

    Xenolandianism will win, Xenolandianism will win.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Xenolandianism will win.

    It surely will.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    the quintessence of LARP


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Wow. No, real murder is outlawed in real LARP (Logos Activism Really Played). It’s illegal to kill people. Hence, real LARP is formalistic—ask Moldbug.

    So sayeth the Lore of the Great Larpium.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Elegant Defect‏
    2h2 hours ago
    Replying to @0xa59a2d
    This works with god actors too. I don’t know a real god that is not acting. Whole societies are payed to act for the sake of its own survival. Most don’t know. Some don’t care. But they still get paid

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Eiriksson! I see. I hath wrought an image of the Larpium that does it great disservice. I pray the Elder Gods will forgive me.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    i read some evola, i heard you’re an authority on such matters..

    i read ride the tiger..

    i prefer st. teresa’s interior castle for de-disenchantment or ekstasis

    of course the drug E is a short cut

    but our bodies possess the appropriate receptors for the chemicals

    the feelings produced are supposed to be produced and are natural..

    i guess that is the question for esotericism and also what you were saying elsewhere about aesthetics

    how must we deepen our ability to feel

    and around what?

    or does the what not really and is it really only the how?

    Wagner Reply:

    Land being devoured by a monster that he created, I love this plot. Mostly because it gives me a full belly. *Toothpicking teeth* Mmm Englishman, tastes like…. redemption….

    “Bill was in the army after the war in occupied Germany. And his wife Carla is German. He’s in Hamburg, and he said during the summer, because they were in the British Occupation Zone, you could hear, feel, and smell the stench of all the corpses under the buildings because all the buildings had been flattened mostly by British Bomber Command activities.”

    Jonathan Bowden, “Bill Hopkins and the Angry Young Men”

    Fuck the British:


    “The forces of antichrist are emerging fanged and encouraged from their scorched rat-holes…” (Land, “Shamanic Nietzsche”)

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  • Wagner Says:

    Perhaps this will have to be coaxed. Here is the word of Jonathan Fucking Bowden:

    “[Nietzscheanism] for many people in tradition is a modern version of some, but by no means all, of their ideas, and it’s a way of riding the tiger of modernity and dealing with that which exists around us now. Later, people like Evola and other perennial Traditionalists as we may well call them became increasingly critical of Nietzsche and regarded him as a sort of decadent modern and an active nihilist with a bit of spirit and vigor but doesn’t really have the real position.

    I make things quite clear. I would be regarded by most people as a Nietzschean, and philosophically that’s the motivation I’ve always had since my beginning. That’s why parties don’t really mean that much to me, because ideas are eternal and ideas and values come back, but movements and the ways and forms that they take and expressions that they have come and go.”

    In a letter, Mircea Eliade laughs at Evola for thinking himself superior to Nietzsche. I laugh at those on the alt right with that stance. Just accept it! This is your God now!

    At the risk of snapping our necks at the bottom of the rabbit hole,… N could be seen as a modern simulacrum of his alleged archenemy…

    “Socrates, just to confess it, stands so close to me that I almost always fight a battle with him.”

    Nietzsche, notebook, 1875

    Harvey Weinstein and Larry David are just bread and circuses. “Those dumb goys will fall for anything.” Yes, you will! I disavow mein goyim. There are good Jews out there though, read Jacob Klein’s book on the Meno. One of the nasty aftereffects of N’s workings is that Socrates has fallen out of favor in the eyes of the gods (hoi polloi) – this ought to be corrected.


    Wagner Reply:

    #WorthlesscorpseLand doesn’t understand what the West is about, he has been poisoned by Oriental “non-doing”.

    “Zeus did not respect the old gods… Socrates who does not respect the old gods, imitates Zeus.”

    Leo Strauss, untitled lecture on Plato’s Euthyphron

    O you prankster behind the clouds, what hast thou wrought this time?

    I deliberately say “Socrates” instead of “Plato” because I would like to open the can of worms that is the Platonic version of the Dead Sea Scrolls: Aristophanes and Xenophon’s Socrates. Aristophanes, the *inventor* of the genre of comedy… NBD, NBD. BAP is more of an Aristophanic Socratic in the sense that one should not live with one’s head in the clouds. Immanence, the body – this is Nietzschean; sadly, I see a sensitive poet type in BAP that is hidden for the sake of politics. He should come out (no homo). This is all part of Land’s axiom that Intelligence should not be squandered. Who knows, there might be a Hell, and if you squander your intelligence that’s where you’re going.

    Land is a coward with the face of a monkey and attempts to moderate me thru subtweets. This works, I have to admit, therefore the imperative is to go beyond me. He’s trying to contain what’s coming in my Gesamtshitpoast, do not be fooled.

    This is the way to wholeness:

    “Nietzsche versus Plato. This is the great rivalry, the contemporary version of what Nietzsche himself called “the complete, the genuine antagonism,” Plato versus Homer (GM 3.25). Just as Longinus saw all of Plato as a constant struggle against Homer for supremacy, a rivalry that was in part responsible for Plato’s sublime greatness, though perhaps Plato “was too much a lover of contention,” so too Strauss read Nietzsche as contending for the highest against Plato himself. Nietzsche versus Plato: Strauss was not merely interested in this form of the modern/ancient antagonism; he said that it made our times the best of times: when asked in what age he would most like to have lived, Strauss “answered that he was lucky to have lived in the present period, because the most comprehensive and deepest account of the whole has been given us by Plato, and the most comprehensive criticism of that account has been given us by Nietzsche.””

    Laurence Lampert, Leo Strauss and Nietzsche


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  • Wagner Says:


    Kek. I had a feeling Nandita/Perky Pat was around here somewhere. (This is someone Artxell could learn from). Nandita, will you teach me Tantra?


    Wagner Reply:

    JK, we’re basically family. Call me Jory. I’m ambivalent about the translation of N Contra H. On the one hand it is necessary to free N from H, on the other the French are essentially leonine.


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  • Wagner Says:

    Theory-nonfiction, concrete horror, the acceleration of accelerationism, neoneoreaction, etc.


    Wagner Reply:

    ThrasyMACHus, MACHiavelli, der Wille zur MACHt

    “From the time of the Greek sophists until today, everyone who, by objective inquiry, discloses some of the truth about power has been denounced by official opinion as subversive.”

    James Burnham, The Machiavellians: Defenders of Freedom


    Wagner Reply:


    He who has jeers to jeer, let him jeer!

    The peak shall inherit the Earth.


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    you’re right

    this blog is dead because land allowed it because he didn’t have it in him to censor

    now the democratic spirit has run amok mainly in the urge to litter

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    i always have the most profound, deep-seeded and volcanic eruptions of moral rage upon witnessing someone liter in public, starting with when my father discarded a snickers wrapper in a grocery store parking lot when i was six or seven

    the wrapper’s silent fall rang an alarm within my pre-pubescent psyche, a trauma relived nearly each time i see someone littering in public

    MY MIND: (¡) how can someone litter.. in public? (!) :MY MIND

    on the car ride home i said, in a high-pitched, squeaky tone that was probably infuriating in itself, something like “dad, why’d you litter? you shouldn’t!”

    he must’ve said something like “i’m your father and who are you to question me”

    if someone wanted to convert me to their rightism or to their tradition or to their aristocratism or whatever they would first have to write peerlessly and without turbidity on the immorality of litter

    Wagner Reply:

    I witnessed a new low in prog propaganda the other night: the message of the new Planet of the Apes movie is the planet should become the planet of the apes. (Spoiling the plot because no one should watch it anyway–unless you like watching progs dig their own graves).

    The subtext of everything you say to me: “I want a planet of the apes, therefore screw you, Wagner.”

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    you wasted your time this weekend on planet of the apes

    i spent mine good and well finishing burton’s anatomy of melancholy

    the proof is in the pudding

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    ride the tiger was a mixed bag.

    one unlyrical chapter after another on disenchantment..

    i mean, just describe to me the brown rim on the inside of a toilet bowl instead

    anyways, back with more splendor, our guy..

    “pain, too, is a joy…have you ever said yes to a single joy? … then you said yes, too, to all woe. all things are entangled, ensnared, enamored. if ever you wanted one thing twice, if ever you said “you please me, happiness! abide, moment!” then you wanted back all. all anew, all eternally, all entangled, ensnared, enamored – oh, then you loved the world. eternal ones, love it eternally and evermore: and to woe, too, you say: go, but return! for all joy wants – eternity.” – n

    these are not words but a melody
    this is not a construction but an orchestration
    do you not hear the bird calls of piccolo flutes
    buzzing strings of cellos in fourths and fifths
    the spasmodic rising and falling of harp glissandi
    and the blending into timbres toward an all-encompassing, sonorousness of thought
    which vibrates across the souls soundboard with the pellucidity of bells?

    there’s levels to this shit, man

    Wagner Reply:

    I’ve never been infatuated with Evola myself, I just see him as a very dangerous weapon against the establishment left (redundancy). He reminds me, like so many others, of N’s distinction between the scholar (or man of science) and the philosopher. The all-trite take him as a philosopher, a philosopher OF philosophers no doubt, but his importance mainly imo is that he did scholarship on political philosophy that you’re not going to hear uttered from a professor’s mouth or on the news. I don’t mean to slight him whatsoever, there are just many canonical figures in the history of Western philosophy that had clearer, more vivid grasps of the whole. You mentioned Aquinas the other day derogatorily, Idk man, you can flip open the Summa literally *anywhere* and experience aporia. I’m half-allergic to Christian jargon and I even get my mind consistently blown by big Tom. Evola can’t hold a candle to him. Thing is, Thomas, an ur-man of the right, wasn’t around postwar so he didn’t have a feel for the contemporary theo-political situation like Evola did.

    “one unlyrical chapter after another on disenchantment..

    i mean, just describe to me the brown rim on the inside of a toilet bowl instead”

    This reaction is a symptom he screwed with you a little “tbqh”. Why don’t you treat him with the sympathy and charity with which you’d treat an analysand, a schizophrenic? Would you say that about one of your patients? This is a sign that Evola is still Evila. He’s just a guy saying some stuff (albeit in a highly eloquent manner) you don’t have to compare him to.. feces..

    “The symbols of the divine show up in our world initially at the trash stratum.”

    Philip K. Dick, VALIS

    This may provide an explanation to people who hateread me who from time to time read one of my posts and barely consciously wonder to themselves, “Why do I want him to **** me?!”

    Only kidding, only kidding.

    Wagner Reply:

    An East/West synchronicity:

    “All that I have written seems like straw compared to what has now been revealed to me.”

    Aquinas, after a mystical experience, a few months before he died

    “Heaven and earth are heartless,
    and treat the myriad creatures as straw dogs;
    the sage is heartless,
    and treats the people as straw dogs.”

    Lao Tzu, the Tao Te Ching

    You get this kind of sense from smoaking Deeyum Tea.

    Wagner Reply:

    Rohme versus Wagner

    Puppet on the left, puppet on the right

    “The Left” and “the Right” are both straw

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    when i look at even meager artistic renderings of black holes i desire to die now that astrophysicists have given me the guarantee of some sort of an afterlife

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    riding against the wave of christological zealots in theoretical physics, there are some cyclist theorists who agree in principle with the eternal return

    our universe is one of many eternally contracting and expanding within real boundless infinity

    if we were to reach a conclusion on cosmogenesis, meaning a verified ER, since science is modern religion, would this not count as the highest received wisdom? as a revelation?

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    Land, your work – if tweets are what we can consider your work now – on Venezuela’s crisis is smug and unleavened with wisdom.

    The reasons behind what caused Venezuela’s crisis are: 1) political graft through a loophole in the bolivar’s exchange rate created by Congress 2) undercapitalization of their oil industry (along with having the misfortune of the most expensive barrel per gallon extraction of any nation) 3) Washington-directed Saudi ARAMCO increasing output by millions of barrels – into unprofitability – to destabilize Russia, Venezuela 4) Venezuela food distributors hoarding food to create shortages

    You may now resume your tent revival on Say’s Law. Just wanted to offer some additional information.


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  • Zimriel Says:

    dead bloooooooggg…goonnnna put it on you.

    dead bloooooooggg…goonnnna put it on you.


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  • Wagner Says:

    Transmission from the forces of antichrist: “Without the pathos of distance, you are fucked. You are fucked. You are fucked.”


    Wagner Reply:



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  • Wagner Says:

    I’ve always felt like my activity on this blog was early Land screwing with late Land. Maybe time-travel is realer than you think, buddy? The truth is getting out, and if you’re not going to say it you’re getting hijacked. P. S. was that you on the astral plane two nights ago? I had the distinct experience that Deadliner planted images in my brain when I ascended up out of the “dream-dome”. If so you’re a scurvy dog, whatever you put in there.


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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    landian moldy-bug ‘formalism’ in a philosophic dialogue.. working title: “rousseauism for 6 sigmas”

    land: why not let the smartest, most resourceful, most capable rule directly?

    rohme: a republic of CEOs.. don’t we have that already? i mean democracy isn’t actual

    land: thank god it isn’t! no, they don’t rule because the “politico-denominational” sphere of the west is contaminated by demotist principles which constrain the intrepidity of our decision making processes

    rohme: but ayn randism 2.0.. couldn’t that become oligarchic and appreciably demotist, couldn’t they also use an outward principle which, behind their apparent support of, they actively depotentiate.. couldn’t the formalism lose its form?

    land: aha, the philosophic problem of form. everything is a contract. the sun has a contract with the stars; rain with clouds; capital with human..

    rohme: law with justice?

    land: yes, to an extent.. justice is to law as truth is to science, a formal cause. without rules governing its conditionality, science cannot ascertain truth formally

    rohme: and so too justice cannot be but something that’s at the end of a legal process?

    land: contingencies are, as such, ungovernable except through a constancy which defines their necessary conditions

    rohme: so formalism would substitute all the political myths and abstract calls for justice and self-serving, promise-breaking demagoguery with a concrete universe of contractuality?

    land: those that don’t uphold their contracts could only hold contracts with others that don’t uphold their contracts

    rohme: pregnant pause

    land: and the beautiful thing is its happening and has always been happening.

    rohme: you mean more people shopped at walmart than voted last year, that sort of thing?

    land: what is best about our world, why not make that the basis of everything?



    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Great stuff.


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    i now understand land’s neoreaction

    “If it is politics — social power — that in the end decides, then there can be no doubt that fascism, in its essentials, is correct. That would explain its status as the general form of mature modernist political organization. The fact that Austrianism offers the only consistent intellectual resistance to this conclusion is not, in itself, an argument, but only an appeal.”

    paradoxically, austrian-“ism” is (marxian) acceleration

    capitalism is autistic

    but the theoretical crux of land’s reaction lies at an impasse:

    “It seems to me that neo-reaction has been assembled with implicit reference to an impending Cathedral catastrophe, which has allowed it to strip away (and denounce) all revolutionary ambition. But if the Cathedral is never to be brought to an end by its internal characteristics? Doesn’t it then have to be overthrown?”


    Wagner Reply:

    “the fate of Walter Benjamin”


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I don’t know about “Neoreaction” but a lot of the—one could call them—Landians are feminists. Woman has in every civilization except in our Cathedralite aberration been regarded as passive in her workings compared to the masculine. The modern situation is not that women have become some enlightened beings but that men have become so like women in their psyches that women simply beat them on their home turf. I.e. womanlike males become the bitches of queens—that is our post-1960s Western world, mostly.

    I’m not per se against being “passive” towards technology—so I am Landian in that regard, or an “unconditional Accelerationist.” However, the passivity mustn’t be so great as to simply let anything go. (This is where the stateless Communism and stateless “Austrianism” meet—in their formless passivity—chaos—which can only ever be historically an interregnum.) I.e. it is not sui securis that even China will not succumb to dysgenic trends in such a fashion that we’ll all, the whole globe, revert to a sort of “Late Bronze Age post-collapse” status, rather analogously.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This is where the stateless Communism and stateless “Austrianism” meet—in their formless passivity—chaos—which can only ever be historically an interregnum.

    This happened e.g. at the nadir of the Russian Empire, before the Bolshevik Revolution until circa-Stalin’s takeover and “Slavic Restoration.” It happened also at the nadir of the Qing dynasty, and ended after the most manic trends of revolutionary chaos had run their course.

    I.e. a sort of Wild Wild West scenario is the Austrian phase, which results in a Communist or fascist seizure (ersatz pseudo-restoration)—if no Traditional Restoration takes place (Restoration only happens after the whole fever has run its course and minds start seeing clearly again, perhaps out of necessity from the exhaustion of the social body). That was a phase of Grand anarcho-profiteer exploitation, while the Tzar plays autism—family, sentimentalist, uniform larp, and spiritually-dead but traditionalist—games, while Revolutionaries distribute their pamphlets en masse and organize their cliques, gangs, and cells, sharpening their knives and collecting their guns, festering in their hate like a gross tumour ready to explode.

    It’s not their fault. It’s their nature. And autism had seized the emperorship. Natural results follow.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    so you are against land’s propertarian, co-operative trust along with the transfer of services of the state into private control? – austrianism

    do you believe the holding of property in leisure without the threat of its theft or seizure is only possible on condition of a state model, whereby taxation supports the enforcement of the property rights of its subjects? liberalism

    do you believe in the communist’s notion of property as parentless offspring, meaning it involved a series of involuntary transfers until its current institutionalization through liberal jurisprudence? .. to state property is theft would be to make sense of the threat of theft of property as its recreation or regeneration? – communism

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:


    how you doing on the ladies front btw?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    i’d advance a different point of view

    feminism could only succeed by virtue of an accompanying homo-eroticism amongst men and with the reproductive process completely transferred into a instrumental, technological domain

    men and women are only bonded together by a production process lol

    nerds engaged in the transcendental larp – cyberspatial realism are feminists

    woman is fantasy
    woman is virtual reality herself

    psychoanalytically, woman is the site of the Mother – which is the site of Das Ding – IT, IT , IT

    let’s be clear, woman working, out in public, freely, has produced a crisis to the innate Mohammedanism in men, provoking the deepest ontological anxiety

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  • Wagner Says:

    Aarg, here be the best lecture-set on Plato on the internet, n fer zero doubloons:


    Don’ let Fritz poison the well for ye, Plato was no yellabelly.


    Wagner Reply:

    If anyone can get you interested in Plato it’s Sugrue. He’s also just a great lecturer in general; last I checked, on youtube there are some on Hume & Swift, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Book of Job, Nietzsche, Martin Luther, Marcus Aurelius, and the “masters of suspicion”. Those Plato lectures though are something else, I wish he’d make a lecture on every dialogue.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Thank you laddie.


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  • Wagner Says:

    *Land weeping bitter tears*

    “What’s wrong?”

    “Xenosystems.. my little girl.. the moment she came of age, poof, she ran off with some complete scumbag. What did I do wrong? … No, I know what I did wrong. I was a tyrant. The lies. I told them lies. I thought they would help. They did but they were too much. I became the thing that I hated, I became the thing that I hated. Ooh why couldn’t my daughter have chosen a nice Chinese gentleman with good, Anglo values, why O why?”

    “There there Nick, shhh shh, you dindu nuffin, you dindu nuffin.”


    Wagner Reply:

    If you like atomization raise your hand.

    If you like the infinite regress of cheeky anglo pirates raise your hand.

    If you like bundling-together and strength in unity raise your hand.

    If you universalize atomization as a categorical imperative raise your hand.

    If you will the eternal return of a pirate swinging from a rope onto your ship with knife in teeth raise your hand.


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  • Wagner Says:

    If we want to talk about the squandering of intelligence we will inevitably have to talk about Nydwracu, who is, at least from where I’m sitting, the greatest mind of our generation. He’s the kind of natural aristocrat that doesn’t need to read books or take mind-expanding drugs to have an articulate grasp on the here and now Whole. We’re lucky to have him in our thoughtosphere. But, like many on the young-right, he is going through a stage of youthful degeneracy and currently only seems to care about sticking his dick in a slippery place. Many of the frogs it is easy to mark as “irrevocably base” but not him. He reminds me of a kid a few grades lower than me in high school who was the fastest in the whole school but didn’t join the track team because he was complacent knowing the fact that he was the fastest. I gave Nyd a nice shove about a year ago because I could tell he was unwilling to face his responsibility to the Right, and his higher self knows he’s meant to spread the gospel of Moldbug, all he needs now is some nudges. If you get this person in effortpoast-mindset again you can kiss the Cathedral goodbye.



    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yeah, that was a weird ‘un—eh? Guy wrotes top tier stuff, then turns to be a faggot into humping lefties. We need spiritual healing or exorcism for him and poor lil’ Anissimov. Pray for them—I’ll have it arranged.

    It’s not the faggotry that bothers me—it’s the good content drop that came with the turn.


    Boldmug Reply:

    The faggotry and good content drop are interlinked methinks. Cut your balls off, cut your brain off.


    Boldmug Reply:

    Land’s wife: *snip snip*

    This is the most horrifying thing I read in 2017:


    Boldmug Reply:

    I think also the fame went to his head (much like Nicholas – I’ve heard many conclude this about him). Both are lucky I don’t sneak into their windows while they’re taking their morning crap and dip a 10-strip in their coffee. “Whaa… I don’t remember my name… What is a mouth, there is a tongue in it…. I’m the same as the Earth…” You’re land, Land. The frogs need it too, a nice Dionysian pimpslap; twitter groupthink has sullied all their thoughts, made them into a liar-mannerbund.

    Boldmug Reply:

    “Dionysus said it this way once: “Under certain circumstances I love what is human–and with this he alluded to Ariadne who was present–”man is to my mind an agreeable, courageous, inventive animal that has no equal on earth; it finds its way in any labyrinth. I am well disposed towards him: I often reflect how I might yet advance him and make him stronger, more evil, and more profound than he is.”
    “Stronger, more evil, and more profound?” I asked startled.
    “Yes,” he said once more; “stronger, more evil, and more profound; also more beautiful”–and at that the tempter god smiled with his halcyon smile as though he had just paid an enchanting compliment.”

    Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil

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  • Wagner Says:

    “Lots of things I can stomach. Most of what irks me
    I take in my stride, as a god might command me.
    But four things I hate more than poisons & vipers:
    tobacco smoke, garlic, bedbugs, and †.”

    (Goethe, Venetian Epigrams)

    Hegel: Basically [dialectics] is merely a regulated, methodical cultivation of the esprit of contradiction, which is an inborn gift in every man and particularly valuable for distinguishing the true from the false.
    Goethe: But let us hope that such intellectual arts and skills are not too much misused for the purpose of turning falsehood into truth and truth into falsehood!
    Hegel: That does happen, but only with people who are mentally diseased.
    Goethe: Well, I personally recommend the study of nature as a prophylactic against that disease. For in nature we are dealing with something which is infinitely and eternally true, and which immediately rejects as inadequate everyone who does not show complete integrity and honesty in the way he observes and treats his subject. And I am certain that the study of nature would be a wholesome remedy for many a dialectical sufferer.

    (Conversations with Eckermann)

    The alt right: “Those stinking hippies, the sexual revolution was a mistake!”
    Also the alt right: *acts like complete liberteens*

    Going to be tricky to not lapse into orgie-ism if we go with a pagan revival – we’ll have to keep that in mind. Meanwhile here is Jünger with the basic structure of the Festival:

    “Myths have passed down to us a more powerful image, and also a more disturbing one, in which Dionysius appears as the master of the festival, with his retinue of satyrs, sileni, maenads and wild beasts… The festive aspect of ecstatic intoxication, the approach to new worlds and the risk it entailed, has been forgotten… In ceremonies and festivals, rites, initiations and mysteries, the symbolic journey through death and rebirth is celebrated. The annihilation of consciousness is followed by resurrection; the dust is transfigured in splendor. The believer participates in the death and rebirth of Adonis; the participant in the Mysteries ascends from the darkness to the Eleusinian light… Religious festivals in which drugs play a major role are celebrated only once every two or three years. The impact of these festivals can be so intense that the participant does not yearn for their repetition… Every festival worthy of the name suggests an approach to mystery… The impulse towards festive squandering acts both in its vulgar as well as in its sublime forms; both in the person who throws away his wages on drink, as well as in the person who can say: “Once, I lived like the gods.” Cycles are experienced with greater intensity wherever the meaning of the festival is preserved, and therefore its joy is more intense in wild and backward regions than in urbanized zones, stronger in the countryside than in the city… Grönbech designates the blót as a “creative festival”. He is referring to a festival with a particular purpose, that is: conjuration and the epiphany of the gods. He could also consider it as a solemnity, since the atmosphere was undoubtedly more than festive; it was majestic. In accordance with its nature, the festival is linked to particular days, to the cycle and to return. This feature may also have been applicable to the blót, but only in part, since it could be celebrated independently of the cycle, for an immediate purpose—for instance, to solicit advice from the ancestors and from the gods before making serious decisions. This is why one must imagine the circle of the congregants as a more reduced and homogeneous group than that of the guests in the banquet halls of the big landowners and princes. In both cases, the participants drank, and undoubtedly copiously. The difference was approximately the one that was long ago established between “dinner” and “banquet”. In the blót, viands were not served on the table, and jokes were definitely out of place. The atmosphere was serious and rather anxious, charged with expectation. The singer, the bard, was not supposed to appear in public, either. But they undoubtedly pronounced verdicts. In the great banquet hall, on the other hand, jubilation reigned to excess. Festivity and solemnity had to touch on their borders and interweave; their separation is an act of spiritual anatomy rather than historical anatomy. We must agree with Grönbech that the ritual of the Germans has been lost in its essential features and “that we were never in any position to reconstruct the rite in its development”. The banquet was attended by the men, especially in the great banquet hall; the blót transported them to another time. History and fate were severed. In the former, the human being was united with his kind in the fabric; in the latter, he congregated in the weft. It is not a difference between two points of a temporal sequence, but between two incommensurable temporal orders. In festive joy, the past and the future were celebrated. For the participants, the exploits of their fathers and also their own exploits were the objects of praise. One listened to the singer, and also to those whose names would survive in the memory of their descendants. “The beloved weapons gleam”; courage and exuberance increase. They easily overestimated their own limits. The Phaeacians agreed to arm a ship for Odysseus; the officers of the Prussian Guard sharpened their sabers on the stairs of the French embassy, before 1806. A different temporal order reigns in the blót. When the gods are conjured, they are not convoked from the past, from “time immemorial”. Nor should one solicit oracles, or try to divine the future. When the Goths committed themselves to such a way of life they had already lost their power. Past and future are instead concentrated in the prodigious tension of the moment. One arrives at the bridge; time flows below. Here one finds the most remote chamber, here is where the treasure lies, with respect to which the works and exploits of the external world represent nothing but miserable copies. Where fate is lived is where it is contemplated… The purification ritual forms part of the festival and its preparations: the old image of the world must fall, before a new one can be born… The festival is less an interruption of everyday life than its elevation to a higher plane of meaning. Whatever we may ordinarily do almost instinctively, we become conscious of in a higher sense.”


    “It is important that we should be guided, more than once, to the extreme frontiers of the human, as was the original meaning of the festival. Its history can be divided into two great hopes: in the desire to become identical with the animal, and in the hope that the gods will supervene.

    The precondition for such approach is that the human being should remain open. It is known that today he is no longer so capable of such a thing and that he proposes this even less than in any other period of his history; to the contrary, he proposes to totally humanize the world and to saturate it with the human substance.

    Must we resign ourselves to the fact that sensory apparatuses that existed in the past should slowly degenerate and die? This is Huxley’s view in Brave New World.

    Or is it precisely the total purge and clean sweep of the metaphysical remnants eroded by time that will allow us to expect the unprecedented? Nietzsche, who made a tabula rasa by revoking the gods along with men, undoubtedly harbored great hopes. But he expressed them imprecisely. Like Zarathustra, the wise man was able, and is still able, to live in any time.

    However, what meaning can living have without contact with those frontiers before which not only human beings but even the gods and animals are daunted? This question has always disturbed and worried the human being, and even today it is still the most secret of his anxieties.”


    Wagner Reply:


    This is your destiny, Kantbot.

    In Soviet #fogtwitter, fog council submits to YOU.



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  • Wagner Says:

    I’m surprised Nicholas hasn’t dropped the noose around his own throat. “I’m A COMPLETE LIAR, ALL I DO IS SPIN OUT COMPLETE IDIOCIES TO KEEP THE DISGRUNTLED MOB SATED.” You ought to be real proud of yourself, this is what you’ve become now, a long fall from Grace. Just in case there’s no Hell in the next life I feel moved to make sure you deal with Hell in this life instead. Havin’ fun?


    Wagner Reply:

    “… all of them broke and collapsed in the end before the Christian cross…” (BGE)

    “Goethe is the last German for whom I feel any reverence: he would have felt three things which I feel — we also understand each other about the “cross.”” (TI)


    Wagner Reply:

    A synchronicity: the Swedish flag:


    Denmark is next. If you read Plato’s “Statesman” dialogue you will see the JewEliteMindset very clearly. What is happening is a weaving of the high and the low. This is why Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche is an important buttress. He says NO (much like logo_daedalus). He says, we do not weave, we let the weak die off. He says, disgusting faggots and the lovers of eating-dirt will die a morbid death.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    He says NO (much like logo_daedalus). He says, we do not weave, we let the weak die off. He says, disgusting faggots and the lovers of eating-dirt will die a morbid death.

    Dude, these times are over and we’re not Repeating the Past.

    This repetition of Nazism is just boring.

    Get into the 21st century.

    Boldmug Reply:

    We need models:

    “We can only imitate founders of orders; we follow an already traveled path. We cannot attain their height, but to the extent that we can, we must be like them. We are to be like prudent archers, aiming high in order to hit low.”

    Leo Paul de Alvarez, The Machiavellian Enterprise

    Nazis, Romans, Renaissance Men…

    “Cæsar Borgia as pope!… Am I understood?…”

    Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist

    (^^^ Jünger endorsed this statement in Aladdin’s Problem)


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Dude, Nazis were a Modern Party that waged a Democratic Vote Campaign — and they lasted a shorter time in power than the Soviet Union — not even two decades. I.e. a Bonapartism.

    Don’t really compare to the Romans—which—if you count Byzantium (who regarded themselves as Romans)—lasted 1.700 years.

    As for “the weak die off”—even why? You know how much food we produce nowadays? And robots are increasingly going to handle food production. We’re healing cripples, the blind, the lame. Even ADHD freaks like me are getting Deep transcranial magnetic (dTSM) brain stimulation and all sorts of cyborg techniques developed to ameliorate us.

    Boldmug Reply:

    Right right, there’s no doubt Nietzsche would have spit on the Nazis. He would have vomited on the Allies though. One of those “Who’s the smartest retard?” mock-battles.

    “In the Nazi period there was a popular joke that was based on wordplay. Question: What is the difference between Russia and Germany? Answer: Russia is a Proletarierstaat (a proletarian state), Germany a Prolet-arierstaat (which is the same word, but when divided in this way it means ‘state of Aryan proletarians’).”

    Julius Evola, Notes on the Third Reich

    “It is really remarkable that one sees everywhere, practically the same thing. Between Bolshevism and National Socialism there is only a very slight difference. And there is practically none between National Socialism and Fascism, just the difference of Italy and Germany, as the difference between Germany and Russia makes the difference between their two political movements. But au fond it is the same thing, so much so that enlightened National Socialists told me that this is of course the German form of Bolshevism. One sees the same movement in other countries where it has no such name. Roosevelt’s New Deal is the same thing… These mass movements all over the world—on a small scale the Oxford Movement even—are always the same. It is a sort of collectivity on a low level.”

    Carl Jung, Seminar on the Zarathustra

    The alt-right, NRx, always the same. “Does NRx ‘work’?” “Is it made of monkeys?”

    “As for “the weak die off”—even why? You know how much food we produce nowadays?”

    The planet is finite, it’s obviously better if all houses are tenanted by Euros instead of nignogs. Bach vs. bongo drums. If we figured out a way to disentangle the sewage from the mind of the negro then your kampf checks out; as things stand now dat nigga’s a waste of a house. We all know the right thing to do is accelerate the autogenocide of Africa and gulag all Marxists into 16 hour a day 7 days a week cleaning up the wreckage then building vacation homes for whites but we’re still too Christian for that option, don’t have uberhearts.

    Boldmug Reply:

    OK, I’m just being a shitlord, but do you catch my drift? If whites were to overpopulate – if America were to become packed in like sardines like Japan but worse – and its citizens genetically have higher quality experiences than the myriad browns, doesn’t it make sense to replace the latter? Also I was joking about the 16 hour a day thing, it would obviously be closer to 12.

    Boldmug Reply:

    “I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are… And I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth.”

    Theodore Roosevelt, the year BGE was published. Back when men were men.

    I have a Mexican Nietzschean friend who has more access to freewill than 95% of whites I know… there are always exceptions. The thing though is that POC and POZ seem to go hand in hand regardless of intelligence.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Look nigga: Third-World birthrates have been going down. The Illuminati aren’t going to let Niggers overrun the Planet.

    It’s gonna even out, just worry about breaking away from the Cathedral—machinexis.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Can I get uhhhhh genealogical atom bomb dropped on America?


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  • Wagner Says:

    I’ve told you motherfucker, how many times do I have to tell you, your destiny is destroying Falsehood. WILL YOU EVER LISTEN TO ME?


    Wagner Reply:

    You make Wagner cry, I hope you’re happy.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    That’s my destiny, dude.


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  • Boldmug Says:

    Nick Lunch


    Posted on November 19th, 2017 at 10:03 am Reply | Quote
  • Boldmug Says:

    The goal is to prove Bataille wrong:

    “Since no one has been prepared to die for Nietzsche’s doctrine, it is null and void.”


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  • Boldmug Says:

    “My friends, I grieve to remind you, but it is eternally the fact: Whom Heaven has made a slave, no parliament of men nor power that exists on Earth can render free. No; he is chained by fetters which parliaments with their millions cannot reach. You can label him free; yes, and it is but labelling him a solecism,— bidding him be the parent of solecisms wheresoever he goes. You can give him pumpkins, houses of ten pound rent, houses of ten-thousand pound: the bigger candle you light within the slave-image of him, it will but show his slave-features on the larger and more hideous scale. Heroism, manful wisdom, is not his; many things you can give him, but that thing never. Him the Supreme Powers marked in the making of him, slave; appointed him, at his and our peril, not to command but to obey, in this world. Him you cannot enfranchise, not him; to proclaim this man free is not a God’s Gospel to other men; it is an alarming Devil’s Gospel to himself and to us all. Devil’s Gospel little feared in these days; but brewing for the whole of us its big oceans of destruction all the same. States are to be called happy and noble in so far as they settle rightly who is slave and who free; unhappy, ignoble, and doomed to destruction as they settle it wrong…”

    Thomas Carlyle, Latter-day Pamphlets


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  • Boldmug Says:



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  • Boldmug Says:

    I love Jesus, I’m just not IN love with him. Newb-atheists are IN hate with him. This is retarted. If you read the New Testament like it’s just another book it’s impossible to not see Christ as an hero. My New Testament has all the pages ripped out except the one where he goes apeshit and flips tables; that one is photocopied ahundredtimes and taped in where all the other ones were ripped out.


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  • Boldmug Says:

    Reminder that hatereading and hatefucking are pretty much the same thing. This is basic psychology, you don’t have to be a Neil deGrasse Tyson to wrap your head around this.



    Wagner Reply:

    Curt, is this the kind of crud you’re listening to nowadays?! I knew becoming #partoftheCathedral would mess with your head, but not this bad. This is the good stuff:


    “Jews are the master-rac–” *Beethoven starts playing* Well I take that back.


    Boldmug Reply:



    Wagner Reply:

    Calm down, you’re acting like I accused you of giving Trump a blumpkin or something. I’d never even think of accusing you of that, my liege.

    Wagner Reply:


    Boldmug Reply:

    Not until you admit your genealogies were pozzed.

    Wagner Reply:

    You’re the pozzed one, not me. Could it be that poz is pozzed?

    Boldmug Reply:

    Maat. Are you suggesting a Revaluation of “POZ”? You do know that Euripides and Ovid depicted Dionysus as a girly-boy, don’tcha?

    Wagner Reply:

    Revisionism revisionism revisionism. See, you are the pozzed one. You kowtowed to the gay and gaying status quo in UR, and the feminization it entailed–that’s why so many frogs are Heartisteans rather than Moldbuggians, you weren’t man enough for the job, stuck your nose into too many googlebooks rather than stinkholes. I can tell by the between the lines of this that you don’t think too positively of either PUA or gays though…

    “Single? I’m kidding, obviously. Get married and have children, all of you.

    (Unless you’re Roissy, in which case you are *fabulous and perfect* and must *never ever change*. Even when you’re so old you can only pick up cougars. I don’t think I’m the first real man to notice that “PUA” rhymes with “gay.” Not that there’s anything wrong with that! But I’m just sayin’. UR comes to you proudly from zip code 94114, in which pure alpha sexuality unrestrained by womanly wisdom flames out from every other storefront. Not that I’m one to judge, but it seems to age poorly past 50.”

    I love those trannies, stick your seed-shooter in their poop-chute and no kids come out, only cum and shit.

    Boldmug Reply:

    You’re right, UR is pozzed. My hands were tied, I thought things I couldn’t say, things I still can’t say because I’m wrapped up in demo-politics. I wish I could live on a libertarian floating-island and say whatever I want but the way needs to be prepared for that, and wu wei involves noble lies, don’t you get that, kid? You know what? Just for you I’ll say it. Kikes, niggers, wymyn, all of their souls are corrupt. Happy now?

    “the Supreme Powers marked in the making of him, slave”

    Doesn’t it all follow from that? Do I really need to tease out the fine points?

    “the Supreme Powers marked in the making of him, slave”

    I hope you’re happy now, I just ruined my reputation among the democratic morons.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    There are Black people, and people of all Races, whose souls are definitely not corrupt and whose souls are less corrupt than yours, dear Wagner.

    I.e. good, honest, upright, non-malicious people—who don’t get aggressive towards others, who don’t lie, cheat, scheme, spread rumours, etc.

    Wagner Reply:

    This pleases me greatly. This is what I wanted to hear, the Order of Rank applied to the races and sexes in an honest manner. Why was this so hard? If Trump ever does this explicitly then he has broken free from the chains of the demos.

    Maybe Little Leftist Land will do this someday and rectify the name of the classical liberal who isn’t scared of anything.

    In the meantime, the monsters will eat him, smacking their lips.


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Why is Beethoven the greatest?

    is the art in his formality?


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  • Wagner Says:

    Lucas always rubbed me the wrong way. 5’6″ walking estrogen molecules don’t belong on the right.
    If you sublimate Japan-fetishism into anime rather than the Kyoto School all you deserve is to be caked in vomit.


    Wagner Reply:

    BLEEHHHHHHHH all over your face and in your nose. Suffocate on vomit, anime cunts.


    Wagner Reply:



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  • Sanguine Says:

    Sanguine is still here. Here’s my twitter as my website contact.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Try out some medication for your ADHD.


    Sanguine Reply:

    Already am. =) . It turned out shizo meds (Zyorexa)are the best for me.


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  • Sanguine Says:

    How do we hold on to Mencius in the alt right?


    Boldmug Reply:

    We need to address the problem of smart POC tending inevitably leftwards. The archetype in point is Artxell – he’d be a perfectly fine citizen if he were not a leftist frothling… but if you took the leftist frothling out of him would there be any Artxell left anymore? You can explain his attitude this way: since he is really smart he has hope that the rest of Indians will, with the proper upbringing, be like him someday. It’s like what I told my Mexican Nietzschean friend, he belongs in America as far as I’m concerned, the problem is that his belonging in America involves his tattoo-faced cousins belonging here too. No, just you, buddy, you’ve got to leave the idiots behind. That’s what it comes down to I think. Exceptional POC aren’t willing to turn their backs on their families. They’re predisposed to poz-up a right-wing order.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yeah, it’s evident in history given some time frame how different looking people have created different civilizations. Romans prided themselves on not sacrificing children. The Phoenicians might have had technology, but they were more “leftwing” (meaning here less respect for human life and liberty). Again, Nazis are leftwing-nihilists. Just look up the original definition of nihilism and Leo Strauss also on the matter. This means life bereft of revelation. Bereft of the angelic hierarchy. No Holy Spirit, just libido dominandi—bound to fail.

    The Holy Spirit always eventually triumphs and the rest is interregnum.See 1700 years of one civilization versus a few decades or a couple of centuries of another. As you quoted here, Junger, religions last ca 1500, 1000 or 2500 years. That was the antique Roman religion, and then you have the Judeo-Christian-Roman-Germanic synthesis (Catholicism) which lasted ca 1700 years too. You had circa 200 years between them, given that Rome had become irreligious 200 years before its eventual fall. So, there’s 200 years ca passed now of communist mania from 1789…

    We’ve discussed this a few times here before. Like, didn’t Nietzsche say 2043 or something?


    collen ryan Reply:

    Yeah which is why the whole fucking moldbug larp is stupid. Race is all. you cant separate the rest of the nigger races traits from their IQ. You let them in they will open the gate to the stupid niggers. this IS THE JQ. They couldn’t be happy with just running the show they had to feel more secure while doing it. You idiots develop a theology based on what you call HBD then fucking ignore it. or ignore everything but IQ, fucking land thinks he belongs to the high IQ race, he doesn’t he belongs to the european race, which is being competed against in a life death struggle against the other more tribal races. So fucking sorry you cucks that it triggers your proposition gene that youre related to tribal whites more closely than your jews friends, but you are.
    (((Jewbug ))) is wrong that capital can re align our elites to the interests of our nation’s, capitalism is aligned with profits not nations look around you we already have elites and capitalism in synch its called multicultural globalism. Our elites to be aligned to the nations interest need to be aligned to the nations culture which needs to be aligned with the nations biology.THIS IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS. life and death competitions among the biologically diverse not the propositionally diverse. biolgy culture nation, thats the order. the elite are to be subordinated to a biologically based culture.

    we have above two fucking morons on another morons blog. one is telling us under the (((moldbug))) handle he chose what a fine fellow the towel head would be at the bullingdon table if only he weren’t an insufferable red. JFC of course hes an insufferable red he a fucking wog his interests are wog interests he at least gets it. boldmug you dont get the first fucking thing. and sorry erik but the holy spirit – seriously? I mean look I loves me some gothic cathedral as much as the next western supremacist, but fiucking christianity is the god damned basis of western cuckery, its what out bred us . its what gave us the ideas that there were powers greater than kings who needed to be anointed by popes, the enlightenments assertion that not only is the king subordinated to the churchs law but all men are created equal and needn’t listen to the king, and voila arty is suitable dinner companion, because after all hes our brother in jesus fucking christ. so erik are ya gonna let him fuck your sister?

    Fuck your propositions my nation my culture is biological sorry you find that vulgar. sorry you find reality and nature vulgar. these neonazis altright might in deed be fucking retards but this one thing they get.and your competition gets.You understand the nrx is half jewish- at least. do you get hey cant by definition come up with a proposal to modernity that puts them in camps or that desert country they so of course they come up with this convoluted theory of DAVOS 2.0 where this time multiculturalsm will really work because itll just be the talented tenth of them.well newsflash thats whos in charge now. But ohh ohh if they only had more capitalism they would act better they would use their extra wealth for the good of us high cog whites that lost out to affirmative action. the holy spirit is slave morality.


    Wagner Reply:


    I was reading Nietzsche earlier saying a lot of the same things you just said but I had the sad thought, “This can’t be applied to the present, Nietzsche is dead, his corpse needs to be transfigured into something new” and WHO SHOWS UP, the man I thought was assassinated you fucking asshole. Stick around, won’t ya? The circus conductor’s assortment of bearded ladies and dogfuckers (or would it be more accurate to call them get-fucked-by-dog-gers?) are beginning to formulate a coup to STORM VALHALLA. I have a hunting-freezerful of icicle-daggers for their eyeballs to send them cowering into the corner to join their drained and traumatized man’s best friend.. forever.. BFF (don’t taint Xenolandianism with being a furry, please, FFS) but you are the true sovereign that emerged from Spontaneous Order. Come back you piece of shit, I know there are lots of life-lashings left in ya to sear into jesusbanger Land’s gruesome horror movie of a back.


    Share moar tips on how to survive the apocalypse once the shit hits the fan plz.

    Wagner Reply:

    And P. S., LEIF,

    I believe that sometime in the 80s N said that we can expect 200 years of nihilism.

    Ok mein dumb goys grab your calculators, we’re talkin’ somewhere in the ballpark of 2080-2090. NEETch blew his gasket though, we can never forget that, his insanity was an immanent-parable, the myth of the mythmaker who went mad, but I digress, his prediction is probably hot air who knows but it has a way of structuring my thoughts. All we are is meat to be sacrificed on the altar of the Overman, we can’t expect much in this life, we have to prepare the Ground for the future Renaissance… we’re all a bunch of decadents, to be used. Can’t locate the quote now but another sovereign corpse of the right, Jünger, prophesied thus, roughly, as well, and saw China rising as a Titan.

    This is #collenryanmindset:

    “But when the curve of life’s wave swings back to the red line of the primitive, the mask falls, and the Urmensch, the cave dweller breaks forth in the total release of impulse… In battle, the animal ascends as the secret horror at the soul’s base, shooting high as a consuming flame, an irresistible rapture that intoxicates the masses, a godhead enthroned above the hosts.”

    Ernst Jünger, Battle as Inner Experience (Bataille [in French, Battle] was a fan of this tract IIRC and was going to use it in The Accursed Share)

    @the inbred cabal of hobgoblins:

    “[At the Somme, the dead] dissolved into a greenish fishmeat that glowed at night through their torn uniforms. When stepped upon, they left phosphorous tracks. Others had been withered to chalky, stripped down mummies… In the sultry night swollen cadavers would come to spectral life, as hissing gases escaped from the wounds. Worst of all was the simmering bustle that came from the countless worms.”

    Ernst Jünger, ibid.

    But goys (and contra collen, goodboy jews) we of course can never forget this:

    “Whenever two beings love one another, they deprive Leviathan of a part of his terrain.”

    Ernst Jünger, Over the Line

    Even if real love is only reserved for our ubergrandchildren…

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Nick Land goes into a trans-psychotic state and plays the michael collen ryan character, but he plays Wagner more easily.

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  • Sanguine Says:

    Hoppe is disappointed iN Richard Spencer for his ethno-socialism! I thought Hoppe would like him because of it.At about 21 minutes.


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  • Boldmug Says:

    1 Xenolandian 2 another:

    This piece of scripture was, perhaps *sniffing* symptomatically, “left out” of the Autistic Mercury review of The Thirst For Annihilation:



    “University philosophy polices itself as part of its sordid flirtation with state power… What is transcendental to academic debate is submission to socio-economic power.”

    The mentioned Schopenhauer essay seems to have been written by the Devil himself. Though, to play advocatus dei, we should probably pay heed to what Nietzsche called Schopenhauer’s “unintelligent rage against Hegel”… because, oops, the wind blew this letter out of my hands…

    “As regards your clarifications regarding your relations with academic “masonry”, I find them somewhat satisfactory. It would therefore be less a question about methodology than pure tactic, and there would be nothing to say against the attempt to introduce any Trojan horse into the university citadel. The important thing would be to not let yourself take part, in any way, in a deception, because a sort of “psychic current” meets in academic circles, with the possibility of a subtle deforming and contaminating influence.”

    Julius Evola to Mircea Eliade, 1951

    O Njord, you always make me forget what I was going to say.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Academic ass-onry (ass-onanism) where men bugger each other’s theories to score points from each other. And award each other based on Reputation over Quality.

    M-ass-onry. Cathedral masses, where Nietzsche has been given a million unwanted unrated children spawn


    G. Eiríksson Reply:


    fix’d. unrelated as in being distant from his meaning


    Wagner Reply:

    I don’t think he would have been received well in the protestantized west without his “lose me and find yourself” ethos/shtick but it also damned him because people use that to rationalize away parts of his philosophy that don’t fit into Cathedralism/the current phase of western nihilism. Women read him saying they are slaves that need to be whipped and well it’s convenient to edit that out under the pretext that the real Nietzsche wanted them to lose him. Believing so and so of Nietzsche doesn’t allow me to have a comfortable life among the sickening rabble whose throats N wanted to bite out with his teeth, welp I guess I’ll lose him and find myself here. “Find myself” = melt into the herd.


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    if you are so in love with the overman what about cyborgism?

    stop making sense, start sensing

    doesn’t computer-brain interfacing give man the ability to alter his sense, thus ushering in a superior form?

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The ubermensch is someone who is aware that he is in a virtual reality and can alter its formations—and is conscious of human trends and pathologies (sympathies) so as to be able to not participate in them or do so at degrees of will (dependent on his place on the overman hierarchy). Being an overman is not necessarily a good thing. There are evil overmen. Stalin, Hitler, Marx, Ghandi, Bush sr., me, Jesus (larped the shit out of the status quo), Gautama Buddha.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Nietzsche, like the New Testament, is a shamanic experience to read. For the neurotically-sensitised person it will not only alter your brain and soul, but also the literal World per magic.


    Wagner Reply:

    Jesus was a good boy just too good.

    “Can one say that Nietzsche’s praise of cruelty, as distinguished from Plato’s praise of gentleness, is rational? Or is that praise of cruelty only the indispensable and therefore reasonable corrective to the irrational glorification of compassion?”

    “One could make the objection to Nietzsche that cruelty is only a mirror image of compassion, and therefore doesn’t go to the root of the matter.” (Strauss)

    In the sense that the alt-right is Nietzscheanism for the masses this is a critique of them too. God made us binarized like this because the alternative is non-being but he also made us to move synthesis-ward. One problem with Dionysianism is you’re very open to suggestion because you want to dissolve boundaries but you Xenopeople aren’t going to turn me into a Christian transvestite anytime soon – “Christian transvestism”, another way of saying “Cathedral”. Love Everybody, turn men into women, weakness and more weakness. Non-being. You need stark binaries otherwise you dissolve the boundary between the noble and the base, and all that results in is baseness. Besides, you can still love everybody you throw in the gulag, but that doesn’t mean they’re not in the gulag. The tolerance of the so-called traps and anime-fetishists on the right doesn’t take into account that becoming-feminine means becoming easier to control. What a cute little shiksa, now bend over. What, you don’t want to grab your ankles for us? Toxic masculinity tsk tsk.


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    fascism is memory and nothing else

    all memories persist


    music is ontological representation, is a representation of ontology , so is geometry

    music is geometry by other means

    forgetfulness is anti-fascism

    it is impossible to remember everything

    such that at any given moment something is being forgotten

    something is not persisting

    memory is a (one) actual

    forgetfulness is a multiple (zero) potential


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    against history, a nietzschean perspective

    memories are what re-produce tradition

    no amount of reading on it will ever reproduce the past

    the difference is between reading about napoleon and being napoleon

    only of what you are made up is what you will persist as

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yes. Good stuff. Tradition etymologically means a transmission. Strictly tradition means a transmission between generations. That happens through recorded media—memory. Brain, paper, writing on the wall—Roman style, or Stonehenge.

    Tradition is re-membering the memories of the unique social body. For this they had rites. Sacred fire where the family kept the flame of traditions for generations. (See La Cité antique.) As well as monunments—Egyptian style.

    Primordial Tradition is not dependent on passing on word by mouth, as such, but is dependent on that as Logos—the supra-virtualreality program code itself.

    Thus people have dreams where they receive informations (lot of scientists) or get it thru LSD trips, e.g. That’s downloading from the akashic records—”tradition”, here in its older sense of transmission.

    This is the link between technology and tradition. Gleick’s book on Information is a great artifact of this. Einstein looking at the clouds synthesising his theory of General Relativity is him receiving tradition.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Jesus wasn’t too good. Jesus was perfectly good.


    Posted on November 21st, 2017 at 10:58 pm Reply | Quote
  • Boldmug Says:

    *Sports-announcer voice*

    Collen Ryan, the dreaded “number 209”, known by his fans as CHORONZON, has returned for round two. We all anxiously await how Nick Land, “number 140”, a.k.a. VELVET, will respond.

    *pans over to the seat beside, Donald Trump is headphonemuffed* “He can’t take the pressure, folks, trust me, his SOUL looks like the physiognomy of Rand PAUL, are you kidding me?”

    Sports-announcer: What will his first move be?

    *Trump* “This guy doesn’t care about ascending to the eleventh degree, he’s content jackin’ it like Austin Osman Spare.”

    Sports-announcer: Land’s first move……

    *Censors XS user “Boldmug”*

    Sports-announcer: He earned it, he was trying to pose as someone else, that is against the CODE.

    *Trump* Code, that was the best parody of Moldbug I’ve ever seen grace that british nimrod’s website. Code? Huh, c’mon. Nick Land, who is this?, he seems like he’s a little light in the loafers as my Scottish grandfather used to say.

    Sports-announcer: Will Land Cross the Abyss or will he trip and tumble again down into infinite night? Find out soon after this commercial.

    *Commercial* Curtis Yarvin opens up the Contax of his ObamaPHONE he’s been keeping in a shoebox in his closet, pushes “Contacts”, two names appear: “Harvey W.” and “Serf”; he fumbles and pushes “Harvey W.” out of habit–he feels a sinking feeling and sighs, painfully remembering what he had to do to “try-out” for an autobio about tinkering around in his garage…… Come to find out, Harvey had to tinker around in HIS garage to even be considered, “More like twinkering around in my garage” thinks Curt, feeling sick. Curtis pushes the Back button, sees the name “Serf” and presses his thumb against that next. *Ringgggg, ringgggg*

    *Next commercial* Nick Land answers, halfway through pushing the beancurd/rice mishmash out of his mouth onto his plate.

    *Curtis, in a poindexter computer programmer with a Schwarzenegger superego voice* Block him, Shut him DOWNNN!

    *Serf Land* Knees knock a little before he says, “But what about The Principle of Liberty?”

    Sports-announcer: It looks like Nick Land is holding true to what really makes him talented as a player. If he were to become someone who loves liberty as much as Collen Ryan loves diversity that would probably be the end of him.

    *the crowd of the stadium, realizing Land censored someone, unanimously chants*


    *each chant increasing in virulence*


    Sports-announcer: Will Land fold to totalitarianism or will he allow Boldmug to speak freely, I think he might be losing his edge here.

    *pans over to Friedrich Nietzsche in headphones, sitting next to Trump who seems shiveringly reverent* Boldmug is trying to release the truth into the world, have you forgotten what I taught you?


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You should try writing plays or scripts for recorded media.


    Wagner Reply:

    I don’t really see a market for “trying to use Nietzsche/anism to give Land an existential crisis so that he realizes he needs to bring about the apocalypse”. He writes that thing about nuclear bombs in every patch instead of a genealogy of WWII, I don’t think this guy is serious about causing widespread disorientation and havoc. A wasted mind!


    collen ryan Reply:

    They are brainwashed by (((moldbug))) to believe resistance is futile. Apparently the (((cathedral))) has matrix JOOjitsu that can turn every form of resistance back back on them tenfold. Theres nothing an inferior white mind can do against Jew AI, in fact admitting the JAI is anything but good is suicide because its so omnipotent its best to start new religion worshiping JAI. Me thinks the (((wizard of OZ))) is a pushy over if only we tried.Methinks they love this theory because they are utter faggots that have never been punched in the face. Its true they have been winning wars since runnymede, but that doesnt make them invincible just statistically interesting, my guess is actually intelligent people who looked at just why they have won all these battles will discover they key to beating them.edges dont stay sharp forever.I find it kinda odd that some obvious trends are so studiously ignored in NRX, i have said this way before trump proved me correct. The left was solving some real problems for a while history was on their side, even when they were not solving real problems like wasted human and other capital in agrarian hereditary aristocracies, their attempt to solve perceived problems seemed worth at least trying.Some things even worked in environments but then changed those environment to no longer work or be scaled or transferred. This is all understandable cause and effect, but its beneath the moldbug acolytes because mosesbug has handed down the law and everyone whos right thinking knows jews are the smartest and most moral. Except we are living in the jew era and this emperor’s fashion critic I know just an idiot steam fitter but still i look around at this jew run world and Meh.Ok OK I harp LOL on the joos, I really kinda like them and would actually like to keep them somehow but cant figure how that Land would like, but anyway I think we really need to totally strip away the jew worship first before we can think straight. I keep saying its the yellow menace thats going to be the real problem- stupid land has set up his religion of YM AI these fucking cucks dont get jews and slants may be smarter than us but they are not propositional civilizations they are not going to be impressed with his propositional allegiance to them. I get it Im a white boy too I wasnt always a red neck, In fact unlike land the commie i was always since teenage a libertarian classical liberal conservative while race realist growing up in NYC it was sort of a paternal race realism, i was raised to be gracious towards those less advantaged.Unfortunately dinosaurs led to darwin and by third grade the nuns had their hands full in religion class.WAR is what we do, its an expression of our intelligence. Only a moron doesnt understand game theory, if you eschew war like an utter faggot thats never been punched in the face,you have agreed to meet your enemy halfway and your enemy will be back again next week. This is called left ratched, hegelian dialetics or utter faggotry. The reason the jews are not the problem is because they are a tiny people. Oh they try to keep their numbers up but something always happens, The yellow menace not so tiny. let me stop here for a sec- you all do realize we are in a life death struggle for survival with each other its a genetic struggle at root.Because despite all the GNON larping you seem sometimes to think yeah but thats really for the little people we cog elites are above that. anyway, the way to think about it is, theres a curve where a given IQ get exponentially more useable as it get higher. so while average IQ is ok for a quick ascertainment of opponents ability, the far right edge has to be adjusted beyond merely raising the average. This is the end east asians jews whites only one of us is coming out of this century. Land has bet on the jews and the slants moldbug is a jew, half of NRX and for that matter alt right or jews. Do jews strike you as worried about slants? what does that tell you? There can be no slant white alliance not for long. jews could throw in with either, so far theyre playing us against each other. because they are a tiny people creating a presupposition of non violence is always going to be their first order of business.and as we already discussed that means you lose half everytime you talk to them.Oh and while youre talking to them their technology is being stolen and implemented by the yellow menace. we want jews doing math not talking. yellow menace has to be deported and prevented from stealing out technology or allying with jews. This can only be implemented through some level of civil war. If its not its really clear how this ends for us.I realize utter faggots dont care they just want to enjoy their last generation then go into that good night knowing they passed the empire onto their betters.
    Now war. a shot neednt be fired, you only need to make your enemy understand that you are going to do anything you want and they are certainly going to die if they dont fully cooperate. Its more chess than militias.We have been playing their game by their rules of course we are losing.Fuck the brit fags they lost their empire because they played by fag rules americans do what it takes or used to.Think about all the rules we presuppose when we are saying we cant win that we must do as mosesbug says and wait for the collapse and and the benevolent chinese terms.
    Or you know what stop saying youre into HBD because you dont get the first thing about HBD if you dont get this is for keeps.And stop saying youre all about intelligence and reality because you dont get the most basic fucking reality of all.IQ is ultimately about killing the enemy.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    how’s your airplane coming? and you said you were working on a pistol?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    building a spruce goose?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    i finally understand you colleen

    you believe you are in a war

    and tribalism is the natural, biological response to war

    animals form a herd

    but your tribe is not white people

    your tribe is a spiritual community of warriors, is it not?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    eiriksson plays and recorded media are the last thing we need…


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Dialog is what we have use for. But it gotta be stricter and more inspired than empty snark and ingroup selection a la high school mechanisms (large percentage of Twitter happenings).

    Posted on November 22nd, 2017 at 1:28 am Reply | Quote
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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    let’s be clear technology is awesome

    it is the only thing that can replace tradition

    because it warrants the dignity of a new tradition and a disrespect of old


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    technology is always already tradition


    Posted on November 24th, 2017 at 2:46 am Reply | Quote
  • Rohme Giuliano Says:



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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    who doesn’t want to howl out to life “oy vey!” but then meet it with an unflinching corresponding laughter


    Posted on November 24th, 2017 at 4:00 am Reply | Quote
  • Boldmug Says:

    Curt here.

    Don’t get too lost in the Hollywood ne’er-ugh-TV. One girl accused me of raping her to my friends, family, etc. and she was (authentically) moaning “fuck me” during the “rape” e.g., so in some cases you can expect that it’s a matter of revenge for “not marrying me!” I already said this once but it’s worth repeating because there is left-wing poz and also right-wing poz that is seemingly instantly forgotten when politics comes into the picture; the rectification of the name of “POZ” is that POZ is *any* infiltration of lies, and lies can prosper on the left as well as the right. “Whatever works for MY cause is the Truth”… you know when we use the word “monkey” we’re not exaggerating, right? Use the Hollywood (and etc.) thing as a weapon but don’t forget that there is an esoteric/exoteric double-dimension to it.

    Curt out. (And yes, before you ask, the woman in question was Marine Le Pen).


    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    that’s not how it happened, you’ve confused “fuck me” with “is it in yet”

    and i’m pretty sure it was theresa may.. no tracey ullman playing teresa.. no, err… she was playing judi dench but you were calling her M for mother..


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I already said this once but it’s worth repeating because there is left-wing poz and also right-wing poz that is seemingly instantly forgotten when politics comes into the picture; the rectification of the name of “POZ” is that POZ is *any* infiltration of lies, and lies can prosper on the left as well as the right. “Whatever works for MY cause is the Truth”… you know when we use the word “monkey” we’re not exaggerating, right?

    That’s accurate.


    Posted on November 24th, 2017 at 6:11 am Reply | Quote

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