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		<title>By: Puzzle Pirate (@PuzzlePirate)</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrified/#comment-32702</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 02:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read horror because it&#039;s less scary than real life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read horror because it&#8217;s less scary than real life.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl F. Boetel</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrified/#comment-32700</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 01:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, Lovecraft was a racist — but racism is good and true. Now, if he were an &lt;em&gt;anti-racist&lt;/em&gt; (ugh)…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Lovecraft was a racist — but racism is good and true. Now, if he were an <em>anti-racist</em> (ugh)…</p>
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		<title>By: peppermint</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrified/#comment-32698</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 00:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a great excerpt from &lt;i&gt;The Horror at Red Hook&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Policemen despair of order or reform, and seek rather to erect barriers protecting the outside world from the contagion. The clang of the patrol is answered by a kind of spectral silence, and such prisoners as are taken are never communicative. Visible offences are as varied as the local dialects, and run the gamut from the smuggling of rum and prohibited aliens through diverse stages of lawlessness and obscure vice to murder and mutilation in their most abhorrent guises. That these visible affairs are not more frequent is not to the neighbourhood’s credit, unless the power of concealment be an art demanding credit...

He was conscious, as one who united imagination with scientific knowledge, that modern people under lawless conditions tend uncannily to repeat the darkest instinctive patterns of primitive half-ape savagery in their daily life and ritual observances; and he had often viewed with an anthropologist’s shudder the chanting, cursing processions of blear-eyed and pockmarked young men which wound their way along in the dark small hours of morning. One saw groups of these youths incessantly; sometimes in leering vigils on street corners, sometimes in doorways playing eerily on cheap instruments of music, sometimes in stupefied dozes or indecent dialogues around cafeteria tables near Borough Hall, and sometimes in whispering converse around dingy taxicabs drawn up at the high stoops of crumbling and closely shuttered old houses. They chilled and fascinated him more than he dared confess to his associates on the force, for he seemed to see in them some monstrous thread of secret continuity; some fiendish, cryptical, and ancient pattern utterly beyond and below the sordid mass of facts and habits and haunts listed with such conscientious technical care by the police. They must be, he felt inwardly, the heirs of some shocking and primordial tradition; the sharers of debased and broken scraps from cults and ceremonies older than mankind...

In this work it developed that Suydam’s new associates were among the blackest and most vicious criminals of Red Hook’s devious lanes, and that at least a third of them were known and repeated offenders in the matter of thievery, disorder, and the importation of illegal immigrants. Indeed, it would not have been too much to say that the old scholar’s particular circle coincided almost perfectly with the worst of the organised cliques which smuggled ashore certain nameless and unclassified Asian dregs wisely turned back by Ellis Island. In the teeming rookeries of Parker Place—since renamed—where Suydam had his basement flat, there had grown up a very unusual colony of unclassified slant-eyed folk who used the Arabic alphabet but were eloquently repudiated by the great mass of Syrians in and around Atlantic Avenue. They could all have been deported for lack of credentials, but legalism is slow-moving, and one does not disturb Red Hook unless publicity forces one to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this passage would not have been as striking if I had read when it was written ninety years ago.  I might have considered it to be overreachingly hysterical and suggested new public housing to be built.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a great excerpt from <i>The Horror at Red Hook</i></p>
<blockquote><p>Policemen despair of order or reform, and seek rather to erect barriers protecting the outside world from the contagion. The clang of the patrol is answered by a kind of spectral silence, and such prisoners as are taken are never communicative. Visible offences are as varied as the local dialects, and run the gamut from the smuggling of rum and prohibited aliens through diverse stages of lawlessness and obscure vice to murder and mutilation in their most abhorrent guises. That these visible affairs are not more frequent is not to the neighbourhood’s credit, unless the power of concealment be an art demanding credit&#8230;</p>
<p>He was conscious, as one who united imagination with scientific knowledge, that modern people under lawless conditions tend uncannily to repeat the darkest instinctive patterns of primitive half-ape savagery in their daily life and ritual observances; and he had often viewed with an anthropologist’s shudder the chanting, cursing processions of blear-eyed and pockmarked young men which wound their way along in the dark small hours of morning. One saw groups of these youths incessantly; sometimes in leering vigils on street corners, sometimes in doorways playing eerily on cheap instruments of music, sometimes in stupefied dozes or indecent dialogues around cafeteria tables near Borough Hall, and sometimes in whispering converse around dingy taxicabs drawn up at the high stoops of crumbling and closely shuttered old houses. They chilled and fascinated him more than he dared confess to his associates on the force, for he seemed to see in them some monstrous thread of secret continuity; some fiendish, cryptical, and ancient pattern utterly beyond and below the sordid mass of facts and habits and haunts listed with such conscientious technical care by the police. They must be, he felt inwardly, the heirs of some shocking and primordial tradition; the sharers of debased and broken scraps from cults and ceremonies older than mankind&#8230;</p>
<p>In this work it developed that Suydam’s new associates were among the blackest and most vicious criminals of Red Hook’s devious lanes, and that at least a third of them were known and repeated offenders in the matter of thievery, disorder, and the importation of illegal immigrants. Indeed, it would not have been too much to say that the old scholar’s particular circle coincided almost perfectly with the worst of the organised cliques which smuggled ashore certain nameless and unclassified Asian dregs wisely turned back by Ellis Island. In the teeming rookeries of Parker Place—since renamed—where Suydam had his basement flat, there had grown up a very unusual colony of unclassified slant-eyed folk who used the Arabic alphabet but were eloquently repudiated by the great mass of Syrians in and around Atlantic Avenue. They could all have been deported for lack of credentials, but legalism is slow-moving, and one does not disturb Red Hook unless publicity forces one to.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this passage would not have been as striking if I had read when it was written ninety years ago.  I might have considered it to be overreachingly hysterical and suggested new public housing to be built.</p>
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		<title>By: peppermint</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 00:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just saying that the focus on geneology can be read out of Lovecraft.  But we already knew this, because progressives love him.

The problem with everyone right of center over the past few hundred years is that they do not fully repudiate the Enlightenment, and all its works, and all its empy promises.

Tolkien was resolutely traditionalist; his books are celebrated by progressives.  It&#039;s hard to find what&#039;s particularly Catholic or Christian about &lt;i&gt;The Lord of the Rings&lt;/i&gt;, perhaps because the West remains infused with those values.  With Lovecraft, it&#039;s the opposite - people don&#039;t perceive the racism in his geneology because they have forgotten what geneology means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just saying that the focus on geneology can be read out of Lovecraft.  But we already knew this, because progressives love him.</p>
<p>The problem with everyone right of center over the past few hundred years is that they do not fully repudiate the Enlightenment, and all its works, and all its empy promises.</p>
<p>Tolkien was resolutely traditionalist; his books are celebrated by progressives.  It&#8217;s hard to find what&#8217;s particularly Catholic or Christian about <i>The Lord of the Rings</i>, perhaps because the West remains infused with those values.  With Lovecraft, it&#8217;s the opposite &#8211; people don&#8217;t perceive the racism in his geneology because they have forgotten what geneology means.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrified/#comment-32691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Warburton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True Detective. Two stellar leads - and as much as I love Justified, This looks like it is going to be a whole other level of deep, dark, dirty south. When I finally visit the US, I want to visit New Orleans. Gabriel Knight sparked my curiosity...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Detective. Two stellar leads &#8211; and as much as I love Justified, This looks like it is going to be a whole other level of deep, dark, dirty south. When I finally visit the US, I want to visit New Orleans. Gabriel Knight sparked my curiosity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrified/#comment-32685</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha... yea, I get exasperated with these would be creatures of the democratic liberal machine who want to bludgeon you with their ideological hammer as if it were the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help me Obama...  maybe it&#039;s the old school syndicalist in me that harbors such hatred of this luke warm socialism masking itself as democracy for the many. For me at least as you know being a Communist is not to be some party lackey, but to continue the process of building human relations at a fundamental level. With the death of Lenin most of the twentieth-century was an aberration of communism as an idea. But that is beyond this particular post. Between the revisionists and the hard liners somewhere along the way the actual truth of communism if there ever was one was mangled into human trepidation. We all know the partial history of that since 1989. The working out of contradictions is central to it all. As you can see even in some of the efforts happening in China today. The party line is probably castigated by most of its members, and the truth of communism itself was sunk into mythologies rather than any actual dialectical materialist databank of useful information for pragmatic practice.

 I&#039;ll not argue with you there. We know as well that most of the left probably have no real clue why the &#039;neoreaction&#039; even exist nor what it is a reaction too. Obviously it is more symptom than program since if has of yet as you&#039;ve shown here at Outside In only a scattered semblance of organized programmatic statements and intellectual goals for itself. You&#039;ve mentioned that this is probably a watershed year for your group since so many seem to be either bellying up and distancing themselves or becoming more focused and beginning the hard, tough process of actually thinking through just what it is that the neoreaction wants to do and say.

As still a member of that old style skeptic naturalism and what might be termed Enlightenment (2.0) I wander through all the extremes with my eyes open to understand what this creature we are is on about in our political spectrums. The extremes always seem to touch base at certain junctures and for those willing to actually listen to the noise they might discover something else: the truth of what is coming at us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230; yea, I get exasperated with these would be creatures of the democratic liberal machine who want to bludgeon you with their ideological hammer as if it were the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help me Obama&#8230;  maybe it&#8217;s the old school syndicalist in me that harbors such hatred of this luke warm socialism masking itself as democracy for the many. For me at least as you know being a Communist is not to be some party lackey, but to continue the process of building human relations at a fundamental level. With the death of Lenin most of the twentieth-century was an aberration of communism as an idea. But that is beyond this particular post. Between the revisionists and the hard liners somewhere along the way the actual truth of communism if there ever was one was mangled into human trepidation. We all know the partial history of that since 1989. The working out of contradictions is central to it all. As you can see even in some of the efforts happening in China today. The party line is probably castigated by most of its members, and the truth of communism itself was sunk into mythologies rather than any actual dialectical materialist databank of useful information for pragmatic practice.</p>
<p> I&#8217;ll not argue with you there. We know as well that most of the left probably have no real clue why the &#8216;neoreaction&#8217; even exist nor what it is a reaction too. Obviously it is more symptom than program since if has of yet as you&#8217;ve shown here at Outside In only a scattered semblance of organized programmatic statements and intellectual goals for itself. You&#8217;ve mentioned that this is probably a watershed year for your group since so many seem to be either bellying up and distancing themselves or becoming more focused and beginning the hard, tough process of actually thinking through just what it is that the neoreaction wants to do and say.</p>
<p>As still a member of that old style skeptic naturalism and what might be termed Enlightenment (2.0) I wander through all the extremes with my eyes open to understand what this creature we are is on about in our political spectrums. The extremes always seem to touch base at certain junctures and for those willing to actually listen to the noise they might discover something else: the truth of what is coming at us.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrified/#comment-32682</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may be right, I don&#039;t know, but whether Land has interesting ideas because he has really taken the red pill or whether he has interesting ideas because he is very good at pretending to be someone who believes in evil, rightwing nonsense like the reality of gender doesn&#039;t matter very much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right, I don&#8217;t know, but whether Land has interesting ideas because he has really taken the red pill or whether he has interesting ideas because he is very good at pretending to be someone who believes in evil, rightwing nonsense like the reality of gender doesn&#8217;t matter very much.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Behold Great Cthullu!!  

I&#039;ve been avoiding him as he is deranged, but 2014 is all about inclusively getting it.

Krugman says Progressives are winning the War on Poverty.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/opinion/krugman-the-war-over-poverty.html?ref=opinion

By winning he means 92 million Americans out of the work force and the expansion of the Dole to the Middle Class.  [or &quot;draw&quot; as applachian ghetto whites call it].

We warned them in 2008 they want us all on welfare.    Apparently it&#039;s a selling point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behold Great Cthullu!!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been avoiding him as he is deranged, but 2014 is all about inclusively getting it.</p>
<p>Krugman says Progressives are winning the War on Poverty.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/opinion/krugman-the-war-over-poverty.html?ref=opinion" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/opinion/krugman-the-war-over-poverty.html?ref=opinion</a></p>
<p>By winning he means 92 million Americans out of the work force and the expansion of the Dole to the Middle Class.  [or &#8220;draw&#8221; as applachian ghetto whites call it].</p>
<p>We warned them in 2008 they want us all on welfare.    Apparently it&#8217;s a selling point.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An economics lesson?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An economics lesson?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrified/#comment-32677</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you start digging into this subject, it quickly becomes quite involved. For instance, Lovecraft never had much money, and for a crucially formative period lived in a wretched (we&#039;d now say &#039;vibrant&#039;) part of New York city, accruing the social experiences there one might easily expect. The jagged-edge of his racist remarks seems to have been chipped there. For instance, in one letter (cited &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.contrasoma.com/writing/lovecraft.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;by&lt;/a&gt; Bruce Lord), he describes the denizens of his New York &#039;neighborhood&#039;: &quot;monstrous and nubulous adumbrations of the pithecanthropoids and moebal; vaguely molded from some stinking viscous slime of earth&#039;s corruption, and slithering and oozing in and on the filthy streets or in and out of windows and doorways in a fashion suggestive of nothing but infesting worms or deep-sea unnamabilites.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you start digging into this subject, it quickly becomes quite involved. For instance, Lovecraft never had much money, and for a crucially formative period lived in a wretched (we&#8217;d now say &#8216;vibrant&#8217;) part of New York city, accruing the social experiences there one might easily expect. The jagged-edge of his racist remarks seems to have been chipped there. For instance, in one letter (cited <a href="http://www.contrasoma.com/writing/lovecraft.html" rel="nofollow">by</a> Bruce Lord), he describes the denizens of his New York &#8216;neighborhood': &#8220;monstrous and nubulous adumbrations of the pithecanthropoids and moebal; vaguely molded from some stinking viscous slime of earth&#8217;s corruption, and slithering and oozing in and on the filthy streets or in and out of windows and doorways in a fashion suggestive of nothing but infesting worms or deep-sea unnamabilites.&#8221;</p>
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