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		<title>By: The reset button: Wool/Silo series &#124; A Dark Wind Howls</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The reset button: Wool/Silo series &#124; A Dark Wind Howls]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2014 18:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] stuff, right?  Gripping?  How bleak an ending was that?  While not incredibly original, the execution is quite flawless for those 9 pages and [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] stuff, right?  Gripping?  How bleak an ending was that?  While not incredibly original, the execution is quite flawless for those 9 pages and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Neoreactionary Canon &#124; More Right</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrorism/#comment-33904</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 14:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Announcing: The Neoreactionary Canon! &#124; This Rough Beast</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrorism/#comment-33441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Announcing: The Neoreactionary Canon! &#124; This Rough Beast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrorism/#comment-27579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Saddam&lt;/strong&gt; Part of the Moldbug endowment is the question of whether the USG is bad because it&#039;s democratic or because it isn&#039;t democratic.  I have argued that it is democratic, but after voting on Tuesday, I&#039;m tempted to switch sides.  I am on enough political email lists that I ought to be relatively well-informed, but I couldn&#039;t even figure out who or what was on the ballot without driving to the polling place.  Even then, I had to ask a poll worker, because the generic sample ballot was so unhelpful.  It turns out that the single-member district city council race I got to vote in was uncontested.  For the others (at-large), this was a &quot;non-partisan&quot; election, which means that they don&#039;t list party affiliation, which is usually the only information I have about most of the candidates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Saddam</strong> Part of the Moldbug endowment is the question of whether the USG is bad because it&#8217;s democratic or because it isn&#8217;t democratic.  I have argued that it is democratic, but after voting on Tuesday, I&#8217;m tempted to switch sides.  I am on enough political email lists that I ought to be relatively well-informed, but I couldn&#8217;t even figure out who or what was on the ballot without driving to the polling place.  Even then, I had to ask a poll worker, because the generic sample ballot was so unhelpful.  It turns out that the single-member district city council race I got to vote in was uncontested.  For the others (at-large), this was a &#8220;non-partisan&#8221; election, which means that they don&#8217;t list party affiliation, which is usually the only information I have about most of the candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Saddam Hussein's Whirling Aluminium Tubes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrorism/#comment-27572</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2013 09:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Kevin C.&#039;s scenario is correct (and it seems the most likely to me, there is a lot of ruin in a society), then we really ought to do &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; as opposed to doing nothing.

And if we need to do &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; (and somebody probably does) then a significant amount of the wisdom we&#039;ve received from Moldbug needs to be re-thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Kevin C.&#8217;s scenario is correct (and it seems the most likely to me, there is a lot of ruin in a society), then we really ought to do <i>something</i> as opposed to doing nothing.</p>
<p>And if we need to do <i>something</i> (and somebody probably does) then a significant amount of the wisdom we&#8217;ve received from Moldbug needs to be re-thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Konkvistador</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrorism/#comment-27569</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kevni C. That is the scenario that has been haunting me for the last 5 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevni C. That is the scenario that has been haunting me for the last 5 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrorism/#comment-27457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2013 06:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether the collapse is fast or frog-boiling slow, the result is the same; a slow decline means more time for dysgenic trends to usher in idiocracy. It means that the inevitable eradication of whites will be carried out less by violence and more by sub-replacement fertility and blending.

And humanity will not rebuild &quot;from scratch&quot;; they cannot. The &quot;low-hanging fruit&quot; has already been plucked; the energy and mineral resources accessable with 1800&#039;s technology have already been tapped out. Whether fast or slow, the collapse of the Cathedral will push humanity past the point of no return with regards to the industrial age; the future resembles John Michael Greer&#039;s &quot;deindustrial age&quot;… forever.

Humanity had its one shot at expanding beyond Earth, or creating the Singularity, and has already blown it. The future is only decay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether the collapse is fast or frog-boiling slow, the result is the same; a slow decline means more time for dysgenic trends to usher in idiocracy. It means that the inevitable eradication of whites will be carried out less by violence and more by sub-replacement fertility and blending.</p>
<p>And humanity will not rebuild &#8220;from scratch&#8221;; they cannot. The &#8220;low-hanging fruit&#8221; has already been plucked; the energy and mineral resources accessable with 1800&#8217;s technology have already been tapped out. Whether fast or slow, the collapse of the Cathedral will push humanity past the point of no return with regards to the industrial age; the future resembles John Michael Greer&#8217;s &#8220;deindustrial age&#8221;… forever.</p>
<p>Humanity had its one shot at expanding beyond Earth, or creating the Singularity, and has already blown it. The future is only decay.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrorism/#comment-27450</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2013 03:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vladimir has argued that a Brezhnev-style sclerosis is more likely than a violent collapse.  I keep thinking of Henry Hazlitt&#039;s novel _Time Will Run Back_ as a recovery scenario.  Everything has been forgotten and has to be reinvented from scratch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vladimir has argued that a Brezhnev-style sclerosis is more likely than a violent collapse.  I keep thinking of Henry Hazlitt&#8217;s novel _Time Will Run Back_ as a recovery scenario.  Everything has been forgotten and has to be reinvented from scratch.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/horrorism/#comment-27448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2013 03:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;3. The Cathedral will collapse due to its unsustainability, leading to a chaotic, anarchist mess. During this time, competing systems of sovereignty and power will arise, and those most aligned with the natural order, namely, those that are the most authentically conservative, are likely to achieve dominance.&quot;

And here&#039;s where most neoreactionaries seem over-optimistic to me. They all seem to assume (based on nothing but wishful thinking IMO), that they, their descendants, and/or their ideas will triumph in the collapse, when it is highly unlikely that any of these will even &lt;em&gt;survive&lt;/em&gt; the chaos, which shall prove so destructive that any sort of recovery afterwards will be utterly impossible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;3. The Cathedral will collapse due to its unsustainability, leading to a chaotic, anarchist mess. During this time, competing systems of sovereignty and power will arise, and those most aligned with the natural order, namely, those that are the most authentically conservative, are likely to achieve dominance.&#8221;</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s where most neoreactionaries seem over-optimistic to me. They all seem to assume (based on nothing but wishful thinking IMO), that they, their descendants, and/or their ideas will triumph in the collapse, when it is highly unlikely that any of these will even <em>survive</em> the chaos, which shall prove so destructive that any sort of recovery afterwards will be utterly impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Grotto</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2013 00:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The neoreactionary cosmology goes something like this:

1. The natural world (&quot;reality&quot;), is best harnessed for human prosperity by conservative principles which understand the limitations and peculiarities of human nature.

2. The Cathedral is a willful, deliberate rebellion from the natural order, and can only be maintained at increasing cost, as the percentage of the society that remains productively grounded in reality continues to shrink.

3. The Cathedral will collapse due to its unsustainability, leading to a chaotic, anarchist mess. During this time, competing systems of sovereignty and power will arise, and those most aligned with the natural order, namely, those that are the most authentically conservative, are likely to achieve dominance.

4. As they achieve dominance and prosperity, they must remain vigilant against the leftward-ratchet.  Numerous schemes have been proposed to combat this, and some have hypothesized that it is systemic and unavoidable. If the former is successful, we have reached the end of history as a reactionary stasis. If the latter is true, the cycle begins again.

This aligns very well with the horrorist approach, which could also be considered Taoist. We consider ourselves essentially in harmony with the natural order, and consider the Cathedral as a monstrous rebellion against this order, which must inevitably fail. The primary difference is that while Taoism is essentially practical, intuitionist, situational, neoreaction, born of the Western tradition, believes in an objective natural order whose principles are universal and immutable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The neoreactionary cosmology goes something like this:</p>
<p>1. The natural world (&#8220;reality&#8221;), is best harnessed for human prosperity by conservative principles which understand the limitations and peculiarities of human nature.</p>
<p>2. The Cathedral is a willful, deliberate rebellion from the natural order, and can only be maintained at increasing cost, as the percentage of the society that remains productively grounded in reality continues to shrink.</p>
<p>3. The Cathedral will collapse due to its unsustainability, leading to a chaotic, anarchist mess. During this time, competing systems of sovereignty and power will arise, and those most aligned with the natural order, namely, those that are the most authentically conservative, are likely to achieve dominance.</p>
<p>4. As they achieve dominance and prosperity, they must remain vigilant against the leftward-ratchet.  Numerous schemes have been proposed to combat this, and some have hypothesized that it is systemic and unavoidable. If the former is successful, we have reached the end of history as a reactionary stasis. If the latter is true, the cycle begins again.</p>
<p>This aligns very well with the horrorist approach, which could also be considered Taoist. We consider ourselves essentially in harmony with the natural order, and consider the Cathedral as a monstrous rebellion against this order, which must inevitably fail. The primary difference is that while Taoism is essentially practical, intuitionist, situational, neoreaction, born of the Western tradition, believes in an objective natural order whose principles are universal and immutable.</p>
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