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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107396</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 18:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Short version while my post with links goes through moderation: some estimates of the average IQ of various population groups

Ashkenazi Jews 110 (small sample size, but the hard science Nobels bear it out)
East Asians 105
Whites 100
South Asians 90
African-Americans 80
Sub-Saharan Africans 70ish (data sparse)
Aboriginal Australians 65ish (data sparse)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short version while my post with links goes through moderation: some estimates of the average IQ of various population groups</p>
<p>Ashkenazi Jews 110 (small sample size, but the hard science Nobels bear it out)<br />
East Asians 105<br />
Whites 100<br />
South Asians 90<br />
African-Americans 80<br />
Sub-Saharan Africans 70ish (data sparse)<br />
Aboriginal Australians 65ish (data sparse)</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107392</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 18:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lynn&amp;Vanhanen&#039;s books, &quot;IQ and Global Inequality&quot; and &quot;Race Differences in Intelligence&quot; are the first that spring to mind. They&#039;re a bit superficial, sometimes using a test of 100-ish people as a proxy for an entire country or the like, but there&#039;s an absence of better data because studying the subject is... shall we say, not exactly a brilliant career move. And the pattern is fairly clear anyway. Maps based on those books:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:National_IQ_Lynn_Vanhanen_2006_IQ_and_Global_Inequality.png (current estimate)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AverageIQ-Map-World.png (native estimate)

Japanese have an average of something like &lt;b&gt;40&lt;/b&gt; IQ points on Australian Aborigines, and I use them as an example because those two groups are both nonwhites fairly distant from Europe and in relative proximity of one another, which further undermines a lot of excuses about how it&#039;s because IQ tests are made by whites (sometimes in emphatic form: made by &lt;i&gt;dead white male heterosexual Christian Europeans&lt;/i&gt;) and test white culture or something rather than intelligence.

More locally to America, the white population averages 100 and the african-american population 85 (the difference, about one standard deviation, has been dubbed the &quot;fundamental constant of sociology&quot;). People who deny this can quickly twist themselves into angry knots about the institutionally oppressive subliminal racism that must be to blame for different outcomes of whites and blacks in America.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn&amp;Vanhanen&#8217;s books, &#8220;IQ and Global Inequality&#8221; and &#8220;Race Differences in Intelligence&#8221; are the first that spring to mind. They&#8217;re a bit superficial, sometimes using a test of 100-ish people as a proxy for an entire country or the like, but there&#8217;s an absence of better data because studying the subject is&#8230; shall we say, not exactly a brilliant career move. And the pattern is fairly clear anyway. Maps based on those books:</p>
<p><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:National_IQ_Lynn_Vanhanen_2006_IQ_and_Global_Inequality.png" rel="nofollow">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:National_IQ_Lynn_Vanhanen_2006_IQ_and_Global_Inequality.png</a> (current estimate)<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AverageIQ-Map-World.png" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AverageIQ-Map-World.png</a> (native estimate)</p>
<p>Japanese have an average of something like <b>40</b> IQ points on Australian Aborigines, and I use them as an example because those two groups are both nonwhites fairly distant from Europe and in relative proximity of one another, which further undermines a lot of excuses about how it&#8217;s because IQ tests are made by whites (sometimes in emphatic form: made by <i>dead white male heterosexual Christian Europeans</i>) and test white culture or something rather than intelligence.</p>
<p>More locally to America, the white population averages 100 and the african-american population 85 (the difference, about one standard deviation, has been dubbed the &#8220;fundamental constant of sociology&#8221;). People who deny this can quickly twist themselves into angry knots about the institutionally oppressive subliminal racism that must be to blame for different outcomes of whites and blacks in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107345</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;but I don’t see the link with race, given that the term ‘race’ is so visually determined. Looks betray variation. What am I not getting here?&quot;

That race, as the etymology of the term should suggest, is defined in terms of ancestry. 

Darwin:  &quot;Grant all races of man descended from one race; grant that all structure [i.e., physical features] of each race of man were perfectly known—grant that a perfect table of descent of each race was perfectly known— grant all this, &amp; then do you not think that most would prefer as the best classification, a genealogical one.  Generally, we may safely presume, that the resemblance of races &amp; their pedigrees would go together.&quot;

Biological race, like any other natural biological division (e.g., species), isn&#039;t defined by phenotypic resemblance, but rather by genetic relationship; phenotypic resemblance is just used as evidence of this.  Similarly, one uses twin phenetic similarity to evidence whether they are MZ or DZ, but twins classes are not defined in terms of appearance.

Whatever the case, I don&#039;t see how it would necessarily matter if races were defined morophologically -- in which case they would be biological morphs not races.  For example, the light and dark human pigment morphs (roughly: historic North versus South Hemispherians) were subject to an array different selection pressures, which would have acted on multiple traits -- plausibly, via cold winter selection, including behavioral ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but I don’t see the link with race, given that the term ‘race’ is so visually determined. Looks betray variation. What am I not getting here?&#8221;</p>
<p>That race, as the etymology of the term should suggest, is defined in terms of ancestry. </p>
<p>Darwin:  &#8220;Grant all races of man descended from one race; grant that all structure [i.e., physical features] of each race of man were perfectly known—grant that a perfect table of descent of each race was perfectly known— grant all this, &amp; then do you not think that most would prefer as the best classification, a genealogical one.  Generally, we may safely presume, that the resemblance of races &amp; their pedigrees would go together.&#8221;</p>
<p>Biological race, like any other natural biological division (e.g., species), isn&#8217;t defined by phenotypic resemblance, but rather by genetic relationship; phenotypic resemblance is just used as evidence of this.  Similarly, one uses twin phenetic similarity to evidence whether they are MZ or DZ, but twins classes are not defined in terms of appearance.</p>
<p>Whatever the case, I don&#8217;t see how it would necessarily matter if races were defined morophologically &#8212; in which case they would be biological morphs not races.  For example, the light and dark human pigment morphs (roughly: historic North versus South Hemispherians) were subject to an array different selection pressures, which would have acted on multiple traits &#8212; plausibly, via cold winter selection, including behavioral ones.</p>
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		<title>By: darius</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107332</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Erik, I found that and the links in it useful. Time to do more reading. I found this very interesting: 

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/05/why-race-as-a-biological-construct-matters/#.VBG-lmSSxZI

Can you direct me to any sources which compare intelligence between Japanese and Aboriginal Australians or the like?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Erik, I found that and the links in it useful. Time to do more reading. I found this very interesting: </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/05/why-race-as-a-biological-construct-matters/#.VBG-lmSSxZI" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/05/why-race-as-a-biological-construct-matters/#.VBG-lmSSxZI</a></p>
<p>Can you direct me to any sources which compare intelligence between Japanese and Aboriginal Australians or the like?</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &lt;i&gt;quick and dirty&lt;/i&gt; use of &#039;race&#039; is visually determined. But there&#039;s a genetic pattern underneath.

http://jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/#racesocialconstruct

This relates to race because there&#039;s massive evidence that there are large racial differences in average intelligence (compare e.g. japanese to australian aborigines) that the progs have been blaming on environment/oppression/racism/nonprogs/etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <i>quick and dirty</i> use of &#8216;race&#8217; is visually determined. But there&#8217;s a genetic pattern underneath.</p>
<p><a href="http://jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/#racesocialconstruct" rel="nofollow">http://jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/#racesocialconstruct</a></p>
<p>This relates to race because there&#8217;s massive evidence that there are large racial differences in average intelligence (compare e.g. japanese to australian aborigines) that the progs have been blaming on environment/oppression/racism/nonprogs/etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Porphy's Attorney</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porphy's Attorney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So then if we had to bet, that rubbish will be the next thing and NRx will only have a chance once it fails miserably.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then if we had to bet, that rubbish will be the next thing and NRx will only have a chance once it fails miserably.</p>
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		<title>By: darius</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107256</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, in layman&#039;s terms, how does this relate to race? How is genetic diversity - sorry, variation, to use a less loaded term - related to race? There is surely a huge amount of genetic variation, for example, between different &#039;black&#039; populations, not just in Africa but also (and especially) between &#039;black&#039; Africans with ancestors who didn&#039;t mix with non-&#039;black Africans and &#039;black&#039; people in the West who may look the same but have genetic markers from European &#039;whites&#039;. I get that genetic variation can produce brains that can perform differently, as evidenced in IQ tests or educational results, but I don&#039;t see the link with race, given that the term &#039;race&#039; is so visually determined. Looks betray variation. What am I not getting here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, in layman&#8217;s terms, how does this relate to race? How is genetic diversity &#8211; sorry, variation, to use a less loaded term &#8211; related to race? There is surely a huge amount of genetic variation, for example, between different &#8216;black&#8217; populations, not just in Africa but also (and especially) between &#8216;black&#8217; Africans with ancestors who didn&#8217;t mix with non-&#8216;black Africans and &#8216;black&#8217; people in the West who may look the same but have genetic markers from European &#8216;whites&#8217;. I get that genetic variation can produce brains that can perform differently, as evidenced in IQ tests or educational results, but I don&#8217;t see the link with race, given that the term &#8216;race&#8217; is so visually determined. Looks betray variation. What am I not getting here?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107149</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 06:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s only really the scientific establishment I&#039;m concerned with here. The rank and file progs will believe whatever social feels tell them to (but eventually they&#039;ll do what they&#039;re told).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s only really the scientific establishment I&#8217;m concerned with here. The rank and file progs will believe whatever social feels tell them to (but eventually they&#8217;ll do what they&#8217;re told).</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 06:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Nice&#039; catch -- it&#039;s almost the perfect photographic negative of neoreaction. &quot;We should remain attached like limpets to all the socio-cultural advances of modernity, but it&#039;s time to start chucking out all the hideous techno-commercial stuff.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Nice&#8217; catch &#8212; it&#8217;s almost the perfect photographic negative of neoreaction. &#8220;We should remain attached like limpets to all the socio-cultural advances of modernity, but it&#8217;s time to start chucking out all the hideous techno-commercial stuff.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-our-genes/#comment-107081</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 02:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I trust you are joking.  

(Epigenics can&#039;t alter GACT sequences.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trust you are joking.  </p>
<p>(Epigenics can&#8217;t alter GACT sequences.)</p>
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