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		<title>By: RiverC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31444</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RiverC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sad I missed this,

It deserves a scathing poem.

It will get one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad I missed this,</p>
<p>It deserves a scathing poem.</p>
<p>It will get one!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Warburton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don&#039;t have time to follow all the leads. I&#039;ll make sure to book mark this thread though.You&#039;re right. This does sound very much like what we were talking about. I&#039;ll read the article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don&#8217;t have time to follow all the leads. I&#8217;ll make sure to book mark this thread though.You&#8217;re right. This does sound very much like what we were talking about. I&#8217;ll read the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Round &#8211; 2013/12/18 &#124; Free Northerner</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lightning Round &#8211; 2013/12/18 &#124; Free Northerner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] madness of some singularity thought: Roko’s Basilisk. Related: The abstract horror of the great [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] madness of some singularity thought: Roko’s Basilisk. Related: The abstract horror of the great [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: pseudo-chrysostom</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31284</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 01:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[im fairly certain it will turn out that way anyways, unless for some reason relevant research is marginalized in a fetishistic quest for agi (which im also fairly sure wont be for a while until they realize an agi will need to believe in god too, in a manner of speaking).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im fairly certain it will turn out that way anyways, unless for some reason relevant research is marginalized in a fetishistic quest for agi (which im also fairly sure wont be for a while until they realize an agi will need to believe in god too, in a manner of speaking).</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31283</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 01:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knock yourself out...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knock yourself out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pseudo-chrysostom</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pseudo-chrysostom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you know theres something between an elephant and a chimpanzee in this room.

why not just augment ourselves into unbound super-intelligences?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know theres something between an elephant and a chimpanzee in this room.</p>
<p>why not just augment ourselves into unbound super-intelligences?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31281</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It hits the floor after a few iterations of Reply, but your response isn&#039;t difficult to situate. 

(&quot;I think we should pretty much just go ahead and try to build AI anyway, even if it turns out to be about as friendly as a rabid-Nazi-tarantula with a hangover.&quot; -- one of my favorite sentences ever.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It hits the floor after a few iterations of Reply, but your response isn&#8217;t difficult to situate. </p>
<p>(&#8220;I think we should pretty much just go ahead and try to build AI anyway, even if it turns out to be about as friendly as a rabid-Nazi-tarantula with a hangover.&#8221; &#8212; one of my favorite sentences ever.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rasputin's Severed Penis</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31277</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasputin's Severed Penis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 23:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@admin. Sorry, it doesn&#039;t seem to be nesting my replys...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@admin. Sorry, it doesn&#8217;t seem to be nesting my replys&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rasputin's Severed Penis</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasputin's Severed Penis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 23:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Rasputin&#039;s Severed Penis&lt;/strong&gt;

@Mark: I wrote something recently trying to make an explicit case for building AI, whether it’s friendly or not. As previous comments probably indicate, I am profoundly sceptical of FAI. To be honest, I doubt it’s even an option. But I think we should pretty much just go ahead and try to build AI anyway, even if it turns out to be about as friendly as a rabid-Nazi-tarantula with a hangover. To try to justify my argument, I framed it in eschatological terms, which usually seems to be something that serious AI researchers frown on. When a civilisation reaches a sufficiently advanced level of technological maturity, it will either destroy itself or transcend itself. Therefore, in the long run, sustainability isn’t a realistic option. Personally, I like the idea of building God before we fuck it up forever.

Perhaps I am just seduced by the poetry and the language, but it seems to me that biblical allegories, myths, such as the Basilisk, etc, are potentially just an earlier blueprint stage for designs we are only now becoming technologically capable of realising. Kinda like if the Bible Code wasn’t a load of complete rubbish, but was what it purported to be: a computer programme hidden in an ancient text, which can only be unlocked by our current technology, which would allow us to predict events in the future. Just like science fiction has speculative powers which actual science can tap into and drag into being. And there is a fantastic Borges essay called ‘Kafka and his Precursors’, which disrupts the usual causal chain of artistic influence and shows how the water can run upstream… 

https://sites.google.com/site/jimeikner/home/borges/kafka-and-his-precursors

But that’s probably just served to make whatever it is that I am trying to claim sound even more opaque.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Rasputin&#8217;s Severed Penis</strong></p>
<p>@Mark: I wrote something recently trying to make an explicit case for building AI, whether it’s friendly or not. As previous comments probably indicate, I am profoundly sceptical of FAI. To be honest, I doubt it’s even an option. But I think we should pretty much just go ahead and try to build AI anyway, even if it turns out to be about as friendly as a rabid-Nazi-tarantula with a hangover. To try to justify my argument, I framed it in eschatological terms, which usually seems to be something that serious AI researchers frown on. When a civilisation reaches a sufficiently advanced level of technological maturity, it will either destroy itself or transcend itself. Therefore, in the long run, sustainability isn’t a realistic option. Personally, I like the idea of building God before we fuck it up forever.</p>
<p>Perhaps I am just seduced by the poetry and the language, but it seems to me that biblical allegories, myths, such as the Basilisk, etc, are potentially just an earlier blueprint stage for designs we are only now becoming technologically capable of realising. Kinda like if the Bible Code wasn’t a load of complete rubbish, but was what it purported to be: a computer programme hidden in an ancient text, which can only be unlocked by our current technology, which would allow us to predict events in the future. Just like science fiction has speculative powers which actual science can tap into and drag into being. And there is a fantastic Borges essay called ‘Kafka and his Precursors’, which disrupts the usual causal chain of artistic influence and shows how the water can run upstream… </p>
<p><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/jimeikner/home/borges/kafka-and-his-precursors" rel="nofollow">https://sites.google.com/site/jimeikner/home/borges/kafka-and-his-precursors</a></p>
<p>But that’s probably just served to make whatever it is that I am trying to claim sound even more opaque.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Warburton</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/in-the-mouth-of-madness/#comment-31270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Warburton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 21:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;My point is that when properly appreciated, the cladistic link to theology is not a mark against the Singularity, but something in its favour: imagination is immanent to actualisation. That is why the eternal recurrence of themes, and even specific allegories like Pascal’s wager, are potentially powerful harbingers capable of collapsing the past into the future and the future into the past. They are future echoes, and we would do well to hear them as such and not to dismiss them out of hand.&quot;

I liked your post - but I wasn&#039;t entirely sure what you meant here. Obviously this is really interesting to me. It relates to what I&#039;m trying to write about... and in fact the &#039;impulse to dissolve into the other&#039; is major theme in what I&#039;m interested in too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My point is that when properly appreciated, the cladistic link to theology is not a mark against the Singularity, but something in its favour: imagination is immanent to actualisation. That is why the eternal recurrence of themes, and even specific allegories like Pascal’s wager, are potentially powerful harbingers capable of collapsing the past into the future and the future into the past. They are future echoes, and we would do well to hear them as such and not to dismiss them out of hand.&#8221;</p>
<p>I liked your post &#8211; but I wasn&#8217;t entirely sure what you meant here. Obviously this is really interesting to me. It relates to what I&#8217;m trying to write about&#8230; and in fact the &#8216;impulse to dissolve into the other&#8217; is major theme in what I&#8217;m interested in too.</p>
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