Into the Dark

As the Occident subsides into an ocean of shadow, the FBI is noticing:

“We’re seeing more and more cases where we believe significant evidence resides on a phone or a laptop, but we can’t crack the password,” FBI Director Jim Comey said during a speech in Washington. “If this becomes the norm … justice may be denied.” […] Specifically, Comey said he is “deeply concerned” about what’s known as “going dark” — operating systems being developed by companies such as Apple and Google that automatically encrypt information on their devices. And that means even the companies themselves won’t be able to unlock phones, laptops and other devices so law enforcement can access emails, photos or other evidence that could be crucial to a case …

Comey, however, didn’t place full blame with companies like Apple and Google for creating devices with such encryption. They were “responding to what they perceive is a market demand” from the general public, which has grown “mistrustful of government” in the wake of Edward Snowden’s disclosures of secret government surveillance. […] Encryption “is a marketing pitch,” Comey said. “But it will have very serious consequences for law enforcement and national security agencies at all levels. Sophisticated criminals will come to count on these means of evading detection. It’s the equivalent of a closet that can’t be opened. A safe that can’t be cracked. And my question is, at what cost?”

A process of Exit-in-place is underway, automatically, and it’s not easy to imagine how it could be stopped. With message management disintegrating on one side, and the public sphere eroding into dark nets on the other, it must seem to the State in the age of Internet runaway that the walls are closing in.

October 24, 2014admin 21 Comments »


21 Responses to this entry

  • Nick B. Steves Says:

    Encryption be rayciss.


    Posted on October 24th, 2014 at 4:09 pm Reply | Quote
  • Orthodox Says:

    The state will get physical. Ethno-nationalists should be happy because high risk foreign populations will be the first to go.


    an inanimate aluminum tube Reply:

    I disagree.

    “Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse,”

    General George Casey, following the Fort Hood workplace violence incident.


    Posted on October 24th, 2014 at 4:59 pm Reply | Quote
  • Tryptophan Says:

    Cryptography could also strengthen the state, particularly against internal enemies. A tank that can be remotely and securely disabled isn’t hard to imagine. The holder of the crypto keys in a state like that would be king, de facto at least.

    Combined with cryptocurrencies we are looking at a return to the political and economic systems of the 1500s.


    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    One of my job prospects was to work on security / intrusion detection on the computerized systems for the military. But the ARL is a bit too straitlaced for me. (Plus the private firm made an offer quickly while the MIL was still fumbling around with getting temporary clearances)


    Aeroguy Reply:

    I see that having the same problem as remote operated UAVs. You can have the strong encryption but the signal itself can be easily disrupted. Spamming EM radiation isn’t exactly hard or expensive. And once secured the pesky electronic bits can be removed physically. It’s like how moldbug’s lame guns with locks idea got ripped apart.


    Implying Implications Reply:

    trying to physically engineer your way out of purely social problems will always result in failure. The solution to military security is not to make your weapons usable only by you; it’s to inspire your men to only follow your lead. But spergs gonna sperg.


    Posted on October 24th, 2014 at 5:59 pm Reply | Quote
  • Alrenous Says:

    We’re seeing more and more cases where we believe significant evidence resides on a phone or a laptop, but we can’t crack the password…justice may be denied

    Police officials say they can’t crack cases using pre-silicon kinds of evidence anymore, adding, waaa waaa, mommy help me waaaa.

    ‘Justice’ means ‘cops get to abuse their power.’


    pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    pre-silicone methods of investigation were racis


    Posted on October 24th, 2014 at 6:12 pm Reply | Quote
  • Aeroguy Says:

    I thought they secretly force companies to put in back doors with weak encryption rather than use robust encryption. I remember feeling good about skype because hey it’s encrypted, only to find out about the back door and gag order. If you don’t encrypt it yourself you may a well not be encrypted at all. Also, if the state can’t break encryption they sure as hell can break people, weakest link.

    People who don’t like Snowden are automatic furthest possible outgroup as far as I’m concerned. If he needed my left nut I’d give it to him.


    Posted on October 24th, 2014 at 7:11 pm Reply | Quote
  • Ted Cunterblast Says:

    Ethno-nationalists should be happy because high risk foreign populations will be the first to go.

    If only. We should be so lucky.


    VXXC Reply:

    Yes but the High Risk Foreign population is Americans, aka Muricans, Merikans, rednexx.

    Now that’s if you’re in the bubble.

    In reality…

    See all that Blue? That’s White People.

    We’re not Americans. We are America. Mind you it may work but it’s window is closing.


    Alan J. Perrick Reply:

    Right, the police state is here because of the non-whites that have been brought in. Therefore, the police state is a symptom, not an opposing force.



    Posted on October 24th, 2014 at 8:19 pm Reply | Quote
  • Ademonos Says:

    The encryption wars are far from over – wide access to encryption was just an early stage. Eben Moglen is a great figure to listen to when it comes to these topics, despite the fact that he’s a real communist. This interview: and this speech: are both highly recommended.

    Also, relevant XKCD:


    Posted on October 24th, 2014 at 8:20 pm Reply | Quote
  • VXXC Says:


    Why is this exit any different than say the black markets under Communism and whatever Italy was or is of old?

    But it’s Digital? Well…OK.

    Less Exit than evasion.

    We’ll all become hunchback Levantines parsing our words…great.


    Posted on October 24th, 2014 at 9:55 pm Reply | Quote
  • Lesser Bull Says:

    *A process of Exit-in-place is underway, automatically, and it’s not easy to imagine how it could be stopped.*

    Torture people who don’t give their passwords to the gardia? Pretty easy for me to imagine, actually.


    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    1. Outlaw passwords and force ‘better security’ through ‘two factor authentication’ – make it always ‘something you are’ and ‘something you have’.

    2. When you want info, capture the person and seize their things. Once you have their possessions and person you just figure out where among them are the two factor authentication items.

    This is why I don’t trust retinal scanners / fingerprint scanners. No renouncing your access.


    Lesser Bull Reply:

    Force companies to give you back doors but publicly complain that the companies are creating unbreakable coding you can’t break–giving the companies cover and your targets complacency?


    an inanimate aluminum tube Reply:

    That’s what I figured was going on here as well.

    Snowden exposes back doors.
    Build new devices with new back doors, while convincing people that these devices are completely dark to you.

    Was Enlightened Reply:

    “Torture people who don’t give their passwords to the gardia?”

    Or just throw them in jail?

    “You’re not going to be sent to jail for refusal to give up encryption keys. You’re going to be sent to jail for an inability to unlock something that the police think is encrypted. Yes, this is where the hairs rise on our arms: if you have a recorded file with radio noise from the local telescope that you use for generation of random numbers, and the police asks you to produce the decryption key to show them the three documents inside the encrypted container that your radio noise looks like, you will be sent to jail for up to five years for your inability to produce the imagined documents.”


    Posted on October 24th, 2014 at 11:46 pm Reply | Quote
  • Lightning Round – 2014/10/28 | Free Northerner Says:

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